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Were they storing fireworks next to a fuel depot??tlg86 said:
It may have been triggered by fireworks, but whatever went up was something altogether different.CarlottaVance said:0 -
It's worth looking at the individual charts for 2016 and 2020:Andy_JS said:These figures are not particularly good for the Democrats:
"2020 vs 2016
Top Battlegrounds: Biden+2.1 [2020: Dem+5.5, 2016: Dem+3.4]
RCP National Average: Biden+0.8 [2020: Dem+7.4, 2016: Dem+6.6]
Fav Ratings: Trump+4.3 [2020: Dem+11.0, 2016: Dem+15.3]"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
August 3, when Clinton led by 7.4%, was the largest lead she held in the five months prior to polling day. So while Trump is doing no worse than in 2016 (today), we do need to caveat that with remembering that it was a particularly bad day in 2016.0 -
It’s the port area, but that would seem to be a bad location for a fireworks factory if so...williamglenn said:
Were they storing fireworks next to a fuel depot??tlg86 said:
It may have been triggered by fireworks, but whatever went up was something altogether different.CarlottaVance said:0 -
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The guy that filmed that is lucky to be alive.MaxPB said:It might actually be a firecracker warehouse.
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Don’t worry, Aaron Bastani has cracked the case, lads.
https://twitter.com/ozkaterji/status/1290681092622757889?s=210 -
Military fireworks?MaxPB said:It might actually be a firecracker warehouse.
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Not sure that you could get an effect like that just from gunpowder. It would have to be an enormous amount, at least.tlg86 said:
The guy that filmed that is lucky to be alive.MaxPB said:It might actually be a firecracker warehouse.
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At this point, then, it’s hard to see how we avoid another gratuitous catastrophe. The fecklessness of the Trump administration and its allies means that millions of Americans will soon be in dire financial straits.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/republicans-unemployed-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage0 -
You can see firecrackers going off, but gunpowder doesn't detonate - it only burns. In a container it can cause a shockwave when the container fails, but something else happened here.MaxPB said:It might actually be a firecracker warehouse.
https://twitter.com/KyleKashuv/status/1290677103197925377?s=20
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No, I mean the initial spark. Not the main explosion.TOPPING said:0 -
Could be Hezbollah's fertiliser stockpile going up accidentally.0
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Yebbutt economic ruin is good for the democrats right? Why is Krugman interrupting when his enemy is making a mistake?rottenborough said:At this point, then, it’s hard to see how we avoid another gratuitous catastrophe. The fecklessness of the Trump administration and its allies means that millions of Americans will soon be in dire financial straits.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/republicans-unemployed-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage0 -
How is that person still alive?!CarlottaVance said:0 -
Now now Lucky, I have to keep you boys and girls in line, you don't hear me pontificating on eel pies , cockneys or morris dancers , now do you.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's great to enhance all our understanding of these issues, but I still maintain that someone English who isn't a regular traveler to or resident of Scotland knowing the Western Isles have different Sunday trading laws from the rest of Scotland, ain't bad. I like Malcolm a lot, but any time someone gets something even vaguely wrong about Scotland he dusts down the same silly script. We're all learning and nobody is perfect.Carnyx said:
Quite right, though there are several Free Kirks these days, to be even more pedantic.Flatlander said:
Not really.Luckyguy1983 said:
Your general point may stand, but thinking that Sunday trading is banned across the Western Isles when it is in fact only banned on Harris and Lewis is hardly the height of ignorance is it?malcolmg said:
His usual load of tripe re Scotland. You would think having made such a fool of himself over lack of knowledge that he would have learned by now to not try and pontificate when he has no clue what he is talking about.Carnyx said:
Not quite. You're thinking of the northern part - Lewis and Harris - not the southern part.HYUFD said:
The Western Isles still bans Sunday trading completelyCarnyx said:
I don't think it was ever formally allowed in Scotland so much as never legislated against - no need thanks to huge social pressure from the churches - it only loosened up in the last years of the C20. A nice example of the paradox of assiming the existence or otherwise of a phenomenon from laws for or against it ...Pulpstar said:
?! Sunday trading was allowed in Scotland. It was a purely English matter the SNP should not have got involved in.Carnyx said:
Common decency, and the cross-border effects. I forget the details, but there was a problem of this kind.Philip_Thompson said:
It shouldn't be a matter of "pretty scrupulous". The Tory MPs do not vote on Scottish laws because they can't, not because of policy.Carnyx said:
I beg to differ, politely. Barring votes with Barnett consequentials, the SNP already are pretty scrupulous. They do not vote on education in England, for instance. You'd hear screaming from the PB Tories on each and every occasion, as if theiue baw hairs were being indivbidually depilated with pliers. That silence is pretty revealing.ydoethur said:
The problem is that while you, or @Big_G_NorthWales, have the power to vote in an MP who controls health, education etc in England, I don't have that power in England to vote on somebody who controls those matters for you.Carnyx said:
Doesn't affect the basic point - that it is the Tories themselves who try and deny MPs from my country the right to take part in the Parliament to which theyt have been elected.Luckyguy1983 said:
It would be rather accepting a poisoned chalice for the SNP though. Being part of a UK Government and calling the shots. It rather undermines the whole point.Carnyx said:
But you and your other Tory chums keep telling us that it's impossible for SKS to be PM with SNP support because your lot will whip up so much hysteria about the Scottish MPs being allowed to vote in the Commons about who the Government is.HYUFD said:
Unlikely but Starmer does not need poll parity anyway, on the latest Opinium poll he will be PM with SNP and LD support even if the Tories have won a majority in EnglandCorrectHorseBattery said:UK poll parity soon, what do we think?
I thought that was rather the point of being a MP.
Just think about that.
What other category of MP will they try it on next?
Yes, I know that there are indirect impacts, but that's not the point. You don't have to be a rabid English nationalist to see that as an issue.
The correct solution is further devolution to England, but for practical reasons that's hard.
The alternative is for Scottish and Welsh MPs to be very careful about what they vote on and why - for example, not buggering about with fox hunting - so as not to draw too much attention to it. Unfortunately, for their own reasons the SNP have taken exactly the opposite course.
It's the Unionist MPs in Scotland that do. As, infamously, the LD MPs in Scotland did - over student grants.
Why were the Scottish MPs entitled to block changes to Sunday Trading laws in England?
I have checked, and the reason for the vote on Sunday trading was that cross-border firms were trying to use it as a reason to change pay rates on Sundays and the unions in Scotland (that kind of union, the ones affiliated normally to Labour) asked the SNP to vote against because of that detriment. So it was never a purely English matter.
The southern islands are very Catholic (roadside shrines and all, plus a 30ft high granite Madonna on South Uist) but oddly that isn't usually mentioned when talking about the culture of the Western Isles. I suppose that nearly half of the population is in Stornoway, which is definitely Wee Free.
Very different Sunday philosophy - each to their own. I am not sure that i tis actually illegal to trade in L&H but the local philosophy is very much against it and the social pressure is there. Like Sundays in Lothian when I was a lad.1 -
Are you sure? When we had a large explosion at a fireworks depot In Ringmer, Sussex, in 2006, the blast was pretty big. It destroyed buildings over a range of I think about a 100 yd radius, killing two firefighters. The fireworks were illegally stored in a container, which probably made it worse, but perhaps something similar applied here, but on a much larger scale.TOPPING said:1 -
Wish I hadn't watched that - won't be watching any more. RIP to those who lost their lives.MaxPB said:It might actually be a firecracker warehouse.
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Whilst I don’t doubt that the firework factory was going up, it has ignited something massive - gas/fertiliser? What would detonate like that? It would have to be a huge amount.MaxPB said:0 -
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The Trump Axios interview in full:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2qMWgXs_R6gmpFcZAnvm9W9t1fl-MHyppJziNkKNsRgqibUAuEo7k8BIo0 -
I don't see how it can be 'more sinister' as in deliberate - setting light to a cracker factory isn't exactly a reliable fuse. Unless it really is a fiendishly clever attack.MaxPB said:0 -
One survivor at Hiroshima was 170 yards from the bomb - in a basement...MaxPB said:
How is that person still alive?!CarlottaVance said:1 -
No, as in it may have been a storage site for Hezbollah bombs or something that went off accidentally.Luckyguy1983 said:
I don't see how it can be 'more sinister' as in deliberate - setting light to a cracker factory isn't exactly a reliable fuse. Unless it really is a fiendishly clever attack.MaxPB said:0 -
more likely to be munitionsCarlottaVance said:0 -
Of course I'm not sure!Richard_Nabavi said:
Are you sure? When we had a large explosion at a fireworks depot In Ringmer, Sussex, in 2006, the blast was pretty big. It destroyed buildings over a range of I think about a 100 yd radius, killing two firefighters. The fireworks were illegally stored in a container, which probably made it worse, but perhaps something similar applied here, but on a much larger scale.TOPPING said:
But you know, fireworks factory, Beirut, Lebanon, this is what happened say state news guys....0 -
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
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A two-ton anchor was thrown 1.6 miles? Blimey.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
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And fractured, too. Cast steel ...RobD said:
A two-ton anchor was thrown 1.6 miles? Blimey.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
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BBC reckon 'dozens injured'. That'd be remarkable if true0
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News is showing cars flipped onto their roofs. The engine seems to have acted as a pivot.RobD said:
A two-ton anchor was thrown 1.6 miles? Blimey.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
I’m wondering whether that concrete building was a fertiliser warehouse. That would account for most of this, including the colour of the smoke.2 -
Opinium are the Gold Standard and all the others are outliersCorrectHorseBattery said:How can there be such a disparity between pollsters
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Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
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A nitrate warehouse. In a city. What could possibly go wrong.ydoethur said:
News is showing cars flipped onto their roofs. The engine seems to have acted as a pivot.RobD said:
A two-ton anchor was thrown 1.6 miles? Blimey.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
I’m wondering whether that concrete building was a fertiliser warehouse. That would account for most of this, including the colour of the smoke.0 -
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
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FTFY.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Don’t worry, Aaron Bastani has cracked
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Unfortunately, they tend to start conservatively and then work their way upwards. I guess it depends on how many people were working at the port at the time.Pulpstar said:BBC reckon 'dozens injured'. That'd be remarkable if true
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And how many knew to GTFO when the initial fire started.GarethoftheVale2 said:
Unfortunately, they tend to start conservatively and then work their way upwards. I guess it depends on how many people were working at the port at the time.Pulpstar said:BBC reckon 'dozens injured'. That'd be remarkable if true
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Of course it’s stupid. But this is Lebanon. A country still suffering from the effects of years of war, where poverty remains a big problem and the government is weak and ineffectual. Even if the police had the resources to enforce safety laws, even if they exist, enough money would be passed to the right people that it would be ignored. If the warehouses or their contents were owned by certain groups, even that wouldn’t be needed. (And it wouldn’t have to be arms. Such groups trade to turn a profit.)Richard_Nabavi said:
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
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Maybe because he cares about the day to day lives of ordinary Americans?contrarian said:
Yebbutt economic ruin is good for the democrats right? Why is Krugman interrupting when his enemy is making a mistake?rottenborough said:At this point, then, it’s hard to see how we avoid another gratuitous catastrophe. The fecklessness of the Trump administration and its allies means that millions of Americans will soon be in dire financial straits.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/republicans-unemployed-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Most Senators, most House members, most politicians care about the lives of ordinary Americans. Sure, there's partisanship in there, and a desire to win votes in primaries, and the like. But most people go into politics because they want to do good.
If the Democrats really had cared solely about "winning", they would have let the Republicans overturn Obamacare (without a replacement). Getting rid of the health insurance of tens of millions of Americans (many of whom were in swing states in the Midwest) would have pretty much guaranteed a Trump loss this year.0 -
34 percent? Uncomfortably high. Well, I guess, like rats, you're never more than 10 feet from a fool.0
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These things do happen when dealing with dangerous substances.ydoethur said:
Of course it’s stupid. But this is Lebanon. A country still suffering from the effects of years of war, where poverty remains a big problem and the government is weak and ineffectual. Even if the police had the resources to enforce safety laws, even if they exist, enough money would be passed to the right people that it would be ignored. If the warehouses or their contents were owned by certain groups, even that wouldn’t be needed. (And it wouldn’t have to be arms. Such groups trade to turn a profit.)Richard_Nabavi said:
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
After all, we've had Buncefield and (for those with longer memories) Flixborough.
I bet those wouldn't have looked much different if there had been an army of people with cameras at the time.0 -
It's been barely noted on here but Lebanon is currently in the middle of a severe economic crisis which is threatening to destabilise the country. Can't imagine this will help.ydoethur said:
Of course it’s stupid. But this is Lebanon. A country still suffering from the effects of years of war, where poverty remains a big problem and the government is weak and ineffectual. Even if the police had the resources to enforce safety laws, even if they exist, enough money would be passed to the right people that it would be ignored. If the warehouses or their contents were owned by certain groups, even that wouldn’t be needed. (And it wouldn’t have to be arms. Such groups trade to turn a profit.)Richard_Nabavi said:
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster1 -
Yes, what has happened to Lebanon, and Beirut in particular, over the past 30 years or so is absolutely tragic. It used to be the jewel of the Middle East. Now it's ravaged by terrorism and war - nowadays other people's wars - and the economy is completely knackered. But this looks bad even by the scale of Lebanon tragedy.ydoethur said:
Of course it’s stupid. But this is Lebanon. A country still suffering from the effects of years of war, where poverty remains a big problem and the government is weak and ineffectual. Even if the police had the resources to enforce safety laws, even if they exist, enough money would be passed to the right people that it would be ignored. If the warehouses or their contents were owned by certain groups, even that wouldn’t be needed. (And it wouldn’t have to be arms. Such groups trade to turn a profit.)Richard_Nabavi said:
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
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Lebanon is probably my favorite African country. Long long history. And they, the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet I believe.0
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Asian surely?Toms said:Lebanon is probably my favorite African country. Long long history. And they, the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet I believe.
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Yes - but those were to a great extent contained (yes, I know the smoke from Buncefield made it to Salisbury) and there were no disastrous secondary effects as here.Flatlander said:
These things do happen when dealing with dangerous substances.ydoethur said:
Of course it’s stupid. But this is Lebanon. A country still suffering from the effects of years of war, where poverty remains a big problem and the government is weak and ineffectual. Even if the police had the resources to enforce safety laws, even if they exist, enough money would be passed to the right people that it would be ignored. If the warehouses or their contents were owned by certain groups, even that wouldn’t be needed. (And it wouldn’t have to be arms. Such groups trade to turn a profit.)Richard_Nabavi said:
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
After all, we've had Buncefield and (for those with longer memories) Flixborough.
I bet those wouldn't have looked much different if there had been an army of people with cameras at the time.
This is the equivalent of SP Plastics going up, sending up Buncefield as a secondary effect, in the middle of London.0 -
African??Toms said:Lebanon is probably my favorite African country. Long long history. And they, the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet I believe.
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@ flatlander: And West, Texas fertilizer plant in 2013. The CSB report video is good. It eventually turned out to be arson, but this took years to establishRichard_Nabavi said:
Yes, what has happened to Lebanon, and Beirut in particular, over the past 30 years or so is absolutely tragic. It used to be the jewel of the Middle East. Now it's ravaged by terrorism and war - nowadays other people's wars - and the economy is completely knackered. But this looks bad even by the scale of Lebanon tragedy.ydoethur said:
Of course it’s stupid. But this is Lebanon. A country still suffering from the effects of years of war, where poverty remains a big problem and the government is weak and ineffectual. Even if the police had the resources to enforce safety laws, even if they exist, enough money would be passed to the right people that it would be ignored. If the warehouses or their contents were owned by certain groups, even that wouldn’t be needed. (And it wouldn’t have to be arms. Such groups trade to turn a profit.)Richard_Nabavi said:
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
https://www.csb.gov/west-fertilizer-explosion-and-fire-/0 -
Not African, and the Phoenicians did not invent the alphabet, they just spread it to non-semitic speakers.Toms said:Lebanon is probably my favorite African country. Long long history. And they, the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet I believe.
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OK OK. Throw Asia into the statement, but emphasize the "probably".0
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It's part of South West Asia. Africa stops at the Red Sea/SuezSunil_Prasannan said:
African??Toms said:Lebanon is probably my favorite African country. Long long history. And they, the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet I believe.
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My Dad used to visit a lot for work during the oil boom/Paris of the Middle East years, and absolutely loved it. I was born in the 70s, so have only ever associated it with ongoing wars.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, what has happened to Lebanon, and Beirut in particular, over the past 30 years or so is absolutely tragic. It used to be the jewel of the Middle East. Now it's ravaged by terrorism and war - nowadays other people's wars - and the economy is completely knackered. But this looks bad even by the scale of Lebanon tragedy.ydoethur said:
Of course it’s stupid. But this is Lebanon. A country still suffering from the effects of years of war, where poverty remains a big problem and the government is weak and ineffectual. Even if the police had the resources to enforce safety laws, even if they exist, enough money would be passed to the right people that it would be ignored. If the warehouses or their contents were owned by certain groups, even that wouldn’t be needed. (And it wouldn’t have to be arms. Such groups trade to turn a profit.)Richard_Nabavi said:
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
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Regardless, they claim to be the oldest source of our current alphabet. They tell you so at the museum in Byblos.brokenwheel said:
Not African, and the Phoenicians did not invent the alphabet, they just spread it to non-semitic speakers.Toms said:Lebanon is probably my favorite African country. Long long history. And they, the Phoenicians, invented the alphabet I believe.
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On a much smaller scale, but still capable of causing an arse twitch is the state of some of the farms we visit with regard to their handling and storage of fertilisers.Flatlander said:
These things do happen when dealing with dangerous substances.ydoethur said:
Of course it’s stupid. But this is Lebanon. A country still suffering from the effects of years of war, where poverty remains a big problem and the government is weak and ineffectual. Even if the police had the resources to enforce safety laws, even if they exist, enough money would be passed to the right people that it would be ignored. If the warehouses or their contents were owned by certain groups, even that wouldn’t be needed. (And it wouldn’t have to be arms. Such groups trade to turn a profit.)Richard_Nabavi said:
... by the harbour of a crowded city.Slackbladder said:
Having fireworks next to a nitrate warehouse doesn't seem to be the smartest idea out there.Flatlander said:
Yeah, that makes much more sense. A fertilizer store.CarlottaVance said:
See: Texas City, 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
After all, we've had Buncefield and (for those with longer memories) Flixborough.
I bet those wouldn't have looked much different if there had been an army of people with cameras at the time.0 -
Not only did IDS not read the Withdrawal Agreement that he voted for and insisted should be ratified without delay, he also doesn't understand the bits he didn't read:
https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/1290624097542639616
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Also, I am very visually ""oriented"", I was never much good at geography. Still much to learn.0
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Do we know that net is better than positives? The polls show that more people like Boris than do Keir, the latter is just less disliked by those who don't positively like himScott_xP said:0 -
Should I assay surprise and shock?Richard_Nabavi said:Not only did IDS not read the Withdrawal Agreement that he voted for and insisted should be ratified without delay, he also doesn't understand the bits he didn't read:
https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/12906240975426396160 -
I was looking for a ‘Pope is Catholic’ emoji.TheScreamingEagles said:
Should I assay surprise and shock?Richard_Nabavi said:Not only did IDS not read the Withdrawal Agreement that he voted for and insisted should be ratified without delay, he also doesn't understand the bits he didn't read:
https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/12906240975426396160 -
It's not the first time IDS has taken the Prime Minister's word for something and then expressed outrage when he turned out to have been lying.TheScreamingEagles said:
Should I assay surprise and shock?Richard_Nabavi said:Not only did IDS not read the Withdrawal Agreement that he voted for and insisted should be ratified without delay, he also doesn't understand the bits he didn't read:
https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/12906240975426396161 -
If that’s true, the government has two outcomes.TheScreamingEagles said:
1) They might be kicked out of office
2) They might be kicked out of office and stood against a wall.
Of all stupid things to do, just to leave it in the middle of a city...
Ironically, of course, it isn’t even their fault as it was their predecessors who’ve cocked up.0 -
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I will now out-pedant the lot of you (mainlanders, Stornowegians, whatever) by observing that the "Southern Isles", being a term for the island group that includes Berneray, North Uist, Benbecula, South Uist, Barra, and some other islands, are NOT all "very Catholic". Taking it from the top: Berneray and North Uist are predominantly Protestant; Benbecula is mixed; and it's only when you get to South Uist and, further south, Barra and Eriskay, that you find islands that are predominantly Catholic. (But don't believe anyone who says the British army presence on Benbecula was to separate the two religious camps.)Flatlander said:
Not really.Luckyguy1983 said:
Your general point may stand, but thinking that Sunday trading is banned across the Western Isles when it is in fact only banned on Harris and Lewis is hardly the height of ignorance is it?malcolmg said:
His usual load of tripe re Scotland. You would think having made such a fool of himself over lack of knowledge that he would have learned by now to not try and pontificate when he has no clue what he is talking about.Carnyx said:
Not quite. You're thinking of the northern part - Lewis and Harris - not the southern part.HYUFD said:
The Western Isles still bans Sunday trading completelyCarnyx said:
I don't think it was ever formally allowed in Scotland so much as never legislated against - no need thanks to huge social pressure from the churches - it only loosened up in the last years of the C20. A nice example of the paradox of assiming the existence or otherwise of a phenomenon from laws for or against it ...Pulpstar said:
?! Sunday trading was allowed in Scotland. It was a purely English matter the SNP should not have got involved in.Carnyx said:
Common decency, and the cross-border effects. I forget the details, but there was a problem of this kind.Philip_Thompson said:
It shouldn't be a matter of "pretty scrupulous". The Tory MPs do not vote on Scottish laws because they can't, not because of policy.Carnyx said:
I beg to differ, politely. Barring votes with Barnett consequentials, the SNP already are pretty scrupulous. They do not vote on education in England, for instance. You'd hear screaming from the PB Tories on each and every occasion, as if theiue baw hairs were being indivbidually depilated with pliers. That silence is pretty revealing.ydoethur said:
The problem is that while you, or @Big_G_NorthWales, have the power to vote in an MP who controls health, education etc in England, I don't have that power in England to vote on somebody who controls those matters for you.Carnyx said:
Doesn't affect the basic point - that it is the Tories themselves who try and deny MPs from my country the right to take part in the Parliament to which theyt have been elected.Luckyguy1983 said:
It would be rather accepting a poisoned chalice for the SNP though. Being part of a UK Government and calling the shots. It rather undermines the whole point.Carnyx said:
But you and your other Tory chums keep telling us that it's impossible for SKS to be PM with SNP support because your lot will whip up so much hysteria about the Scottish MPs being allowed to vote in the Commons about who the Government is.HYUFD said:
Unlikely but Starmer does not need poll parity anyway, on the latest Opinium poll he will be PM with SNP and LD support even if the Tories have won a majority in EnglandCorrectHorseBattery said:UK poll parity soon, what do we think?
I thought that was rather the point of being a MP.
Just think about that.
What other category of MP will they try it on next?
Yes, I know that there are indirect impacts, but that's not the point. You don't have to be a rabid English nationalist to see that as an issue.
The correct solution is further devolution to England, but for practical reasons that's hard.
The alternative is for Scottish and Welsh MPs to be very careful about what they vote on and why - for example, not buggering about with fox hunting - so as not to draw too much attention to it. Unfortunately, for their own reasons the SNP have taken exactly the opposite course.
It's the Unionist MPs in Scotland that do. As, infamously, the LD MPs in Scotland did - over student grants.
Why were the Scottish MPs entitled to block changes to Sunday Trading laws in England?
I have checked, and the reason for the vote on Sunday trading was that cross-border firms were trying to use it as a reason to change pay rates on Sundays and the unions in Scotland (that kind of union, the ones affiliated normally to Labour) asked the SNP to vote against because of that detriment. So it was never a purely English matter.
The southern islands are very Catholic (roadside shrines and all, plus a 30ft high granite Madonna on South Uist) but oddly that isn't usually mentioned when talking about the culture of the Western Isles. I suppose that nearly half of the population is in Stornoway, which is definitely Wee Free.
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It’s a Sample of his stupidity.Scott_xP said:0 -
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No wonder it went up like that. Spot of genius storing something so explosive right next to a firework factory and so close to the city centre.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Welcome.Stippled said:
I will now out-pedant the lot of you (mainlanders, Stornowegians, whatever) by observing that the "Southern Isles", being a term for the island group that includes Berneray, North Uist, Benbecula, South Uist, Barra, and some other islands, are NOT all "very Catholic". Taking it from the top: Berneray and North Uist are predominantly Protestant; Benbecula is mixed; and it's only when you get to South Uist and, further south, Barra and Eriskay, that you find islands that are predominantly Catholic. (But don't believe anyone who says the British army presence on Benbecula was to separate the two religious camps.)Flatlander said:
Not really.Luckyguy1983 said:
Your general point may stand, but thinking that Sunday trading is banned across the Western Isles when it is in fact only banned on Harris and Lewis is hardly the height of ignorance is it?malcolmg said:
His usual load of tripe re Scotland. You would think having made such a fool of himself over lack of knowledge that he would have learned by now to not try and pontificate when he has no clue what he is talking about.Carnyx said:
Not quite. You're thinking of the northern part - Lewis and Harris - not the southern part.HYUFD said:
The Western Isles still bans Sunday trading completelyCarnyx said:
I don't think it was ever formally allowed in Scotland so much as never legislated against - no need thanks to huge social pressure from the churches - it only loosened up in the last years of the C20. A nice example of the paradox of assiming the existence or otherwise of a phenomenon from laws for or against it ...Pulpstar said:
?! Sunday trading was allowed in Scotland. It was a purely English matter the SNP should not have got involved in.Carnyx said:
Common decency, and the cross-border effects. I forget the details, but there was a problem of this kind.Philip_Thompson said:
It shouldn't be a matter of "pretty scrupulous". The Tory MPs do not vote on Scottish laws because they can't, not because of policy.Carnyx said:
I beg to differ, politely. Barring votes with Barnett consequentials, the SNP already are pretty scrupulous. They do not vote on education in England, for instance. You'd hear screaming from the PB Tories on each and every occasion, as if theiue baw hairs were being indivbidually depilated with pliers. That silence is pretty revealing.ydoethur said:
The problem is that while you, or @Big_G_NorthWales, have the power to vote in an MP who controls health, education etc in England, I don't have that power in England to vote on somebody who controls those matters for you.Carnyx said:
Doesn't affect the basic point - that it is the Tories themselves who try and deny MPs from my country the right to take part in the Parliament to which theyt have been elected.Luckyguy1983 said:
It would be rather accepting a poisoned chalice for the SNP though. Being part of a UK Government and calling the shots. It rather undermines the whole point.Carnyx said:
But you and your other Tory chums keep telling us that it's impossible for SKS to be PM with SNP support because your lot will whip up so much hysteria about the Scottish MPs being allowed to vote in the Commons about who the Government is.HYUFD said:
Unlikely but Starmer does not need poll parity anyway, on the latest Opinium poll he will be PM with SNP and LD support even if the Tories have won a majority in EnglandCorrectHorseBattery said:UK poll parity soon, what do we think?
I thought that was rather the point of being a MP.
Just think about that.
What other category of MP will they try it on next?
Yes, I know that there are indirect impacts, but that's not the point. You don't have to be a rabid English nationalist to see that as an issue.
The correct solution is further devolution to England, but for practical reasons that's hard.
The alternative is for Scottish and Welsh MPs to be very careful about what they vote on and why - for example, not buggering about with fox hunting - so as not to draw too much attention to it. Unfortunately, for their own reasons the SNP have taken exactly the opposite course.
It's the Unionist MPs in Scotland that do. As, infamously, the LD MPs in Scotland did - over student grants.
Why were the Scottish MPs entitled to block changes to Sunday Trading laws in England?
I have checked, and the reason for the vote on Sunday trading was that cross-border firms were trying to use it as a reason to change pay rates on Sundays and the unions in Scotland (that kind of union, the ones affiliated normally to Labour) asked the SNP to vote against because of that detriment. So it was never a purely English matter.
The southern islands are very Catholic (roadside shrines and all, plus a 30ft high granite Madonna on South Uist) but oddly that isn't usually mentioned when talking about the culture of the Western Isles. I suppose that nearly half of the population is in Stornoway, which is definitely Wee Free.
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When it was Cameron vs EdM, IPSOS-MORI asked the favourability question 56 times.isam said:
Do we know that net is better than positives? The polls show that more people like Boris than do Keir, the latter is just less disliked by those who don't positively like himScott_xP said:
Ed led on net ratings in 24 of them, but only had more positive likes 9 times0 -
Have been wondering lately which country may face the first full on revolution of the Covid age.
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I watch a lot of Youtube videos and am amazed by the number of seemingly well-educated speakers (no doubt with smart genes) who mispronounce relatively common words. The rot set in when London Transport announcements pronounced Plaistow as PLAYstow, which was the first indication Ken was a wrong'un.Scott_xP said:
As an aside, I work for a well-known purveyor of AI tools to the gentry and occasionally a call goes out for native speakers of various foreign languages to record questions and answers on various topics.
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I see your disclaimer on the 3-5 day data is becoming more succinct.Malmesbury said:0 -
There are some right ones round here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I watch a lot of Youtube videos and am amazed by the number of seemingly well-educated speakers (no doubt with smart genes) who mispronounce relatively common words. The rot set in when London Transport announcements pronounced Plaistow as PLAYstow, which was the first indication Ken was a wrong'un.Scott_xP said:
As an aside, I work for a well-known purveyor of AI tools to the gentry and occasionally a call goes out for native speakers of various foreign languages to record questions and answers on various topics.
Hednesford
Alrewas
Rugeley
Blithefield.0 -
The next person... how much does Agent 47 charge, again?TimT said:
I see your disclaimer on the 3-5 day data is becoming more succinct.Malmesbury said:0 -
Well tbf I was more negative of the sneering twitter post than yoursydoethur said:
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Well, I thought the Sample thing was an awesome pun.state_go_away said:
Well tbf I was more negative of the sneering twitter post than yoursydoethur said:
You clearly didn’t get the pun there.state_go_away said:
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Haven't they effectively admitted that their pupils would do better without going to school ?Pulpstar said:How have Scottish teachers managed to collectively up the grades by 14% from at least the previous 4 cohorts. Frankly that beggars belief.
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Very possibly some of them would.another_richard said:
Haven't they effectively admitted that their pupils would do better without going to school ?Pulpstar said:How have Scottish teachers managed to collectively up the grades by 14% from at least the previous 4 cohorts. Frankly that beggars belief.
Where would you work more effectively - at home, or in a school where everyone else is causing chaos and if you are seen working you get beaten up?0 -
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Around here you know you are not local if you pronounce Rainworth and Southwell as they are written when in fact locals call them (and admittedly do sneer at outsiders who perfectly reasonably think they are to be pronounced as written) REN -UTH and SUTH-UL
Clearly pronunciation is an issue where you tie yourself up in Notts.state_go_away said:Around here you know you are not local if you pronounce Rainworth and Southwell as they are written when in fact locals call them (and admittedly do sneer at outsiders who perfectly reasonably think they are to be pronounced as written) REN -UTH and SUTH-UL
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Averton Gifford.state_go_away said:Around here you know you are not local if you pronounce Rainworth and Southwell as they are written when in fact locals call them (and admittedly do sneer at outsiders who perfectly reasonably think they are to be pronounced as written) REN -UTH and SUTH-UL
As a kid, I was told there were two correct pronunciations: Oughton Gifford (hard g), or Averton Jifford (soft g, or j); but not Oughton Jifford, or Averton Gifford.0 -
You know what recently blew my mind?ydoethur said:
There are some right ones round here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I watch a lot of Youtube videos and am amazed by the number of seemingly well-educated speakers (no doubt with smart genes) who mispronounce relatively common words. The rot set in when London Transport announcements pronounced Plaistow as PLAYstow, which was the first indication Ken was a wrong'un.Scott_xP said:
As an aside, I work for a well-known purveyor of AI tools to the gentry and occasionally a call goes out for native speakers of various foreign languages to record questions and answers on various topics.
Hednesford
Alrewas
Rugeley
Blithefield.
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Carnforth always confuses non-locals.TimT said:
Averton Gifford.state_go_away said:Around here you know you are not local if you pronounce Rainworth and Southwell as they are written when in fact locals call them (and admittedly do sneer at outsiders who perfectly reasonably think they are to be pronounced as written) REN -UTH and SUTH-UL
As a kid, I was told there were two correct pronunciations: Oughton Gifford (hard g), or Averton Jifford (soft g, or j); but not Oughton Jifford, or Averton Gifford.
I’ve heard many interesting ways of pronouncing Clifford’s Mesne as well.0 -
I joke with foreign friends that gheti is pronounced 'fish' in English (enough, women, notion). Now I feel I should spell fish 'ghece'.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know what recently blew my mind?ydoethur said:
There are some right ones round here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I watch a lot of Youtube videos and am amazed by the number of seemingly well-educated speakers (no doubt with smart genes) who mispronounce relatively common words. The rot set in when London Transport announcements pronounced Plaistow as PLAYstow, which was the first indication Ken was a wrong'un.Scott_xP said:
As an aside, I work for a well-known purveyor of AI tools to the gentry and occasionally a call goes out for native speakers of various foreign languages to record questions and answers on various topics.
Hednesford
Alrewas
Rugeley
Blithefield.
Every 'c' in Pacific Ocean is pronounced differently.0 -
It would be interesting to know tests per area.Malmesbury said:0 -
Worrying trend from the ONS data today, excess deaths in homes have continued to rise. This points to more people dying of undiagnosed health issues rather than having them treated in hospital.0
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Am I being thick, or has High Peak gone AWOL? Looked through several times and can't spot itMalmesbury said:0