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edited July 2020 in General
imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Pence for Republican VP nominee – what are the chances that he won’t be?

While there’s been a lot of betting activity on Biden’s VP pick (£1.2m so far matched on Betfair) there’s been much less activity on Mike Pence being on the Republican ticket (just £12k) once again in November. He’s currently at 1.11/1.16 on Betfair which might be value for the lay.

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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,162
    Like Kanye West?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    I doubt he will be removed, Pence brings evangelicals and they turnout and without them turning out for him in the South and Midwest Trump is likely doomed
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    FPT

    Scott_xP said:
    Is that all?

    Considering our EU membership fees were more than double that, what a bargain leaving is turning out to be!
    As you well know, our net contribution was about £9bn.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7886/
    Even just counting £9bn (and rapidly rising) based upon dubiously knocking off money that was spent in this country despite it not being something we'd voted to spend as a priority of ours still dwarves by an order of £2bn the alleged £7bn cost of Brexit - if you can believe that figure.

    Is it worth paying a £9bn fee to avoid £7bn in fees?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,162
    Scott_xP said:
    With a PM who is also the World King, should we expect anything less?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,561
    Hope PBers saw my tip from uninformed source far from Trumsky inner circle, that Bobble-head will be dumped over the side in favor of KANYE WEST.

    "Mike Pence is a TERRIBLE person, a real disappointment - couldn't even get ME to wear a mask."

    Tell yer bookie that SeaShanty did NOT send yez!
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,442
    Scott_xP said:
    I've assumed its in the same style of repeating trite and populist three word slogans during election season. You understand it may alienate the overly political but for the majority they may only hear that Boris's next plan is to be 'universe defying' once or twice and it sticks.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Oddly enough I no longer think Pence brings much to Trump electorally (he represents a portion of the base, but Trump is now beloved by the base) but I don't think there's a chance he'll ditch him. A couple of reasons:

    1. Trump isn't *that* unpredictable, imho. He often does shocking things, but he tends to foreshadow them by publicly toying with the idea (or 'joking' about doing it). There's been no hint from Trump that he is unhappy with Pence.
    2. I think Trump's pride would hold him back, in the same way it seems to be holding back other changes in strategy from his 2016 playbook. Making changes feels like an admission of failure or weakness which he can't stomach.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,162
    HYUFD said:

    I doubt he will be removed, Pence brings evangelicals and they turnout and without them turning out for him in the South and Midwest Trump is likely doomed

    It might be to Pence"s long term benefit to uncouple himself from Trump.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,561
    HYUFD said:

    I doubt he will be removed, Pence brings evangelicals and they turnout and without them turning out for him in the South and Midwest Trump is likely doomed

    Reckon Trumpsky does NOT need Pence re: evangelicals, they will (mostly) stick with him, for same reason they would NOT want to question King David's personnel decisions too closely - after all, God DOES move in mysterious ways!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,660

    FPT

    Scott_xP said:
    Is that all?

    Considering our EU membership fees were more than double that, what a bargain leaving is turning out to be!
    As you well know, our net contribution was about £9bn.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7886/
    Even just counting £9bn (and rapidly rising) based upon dubiously knocking off money that was spent in this country despite it not being something we'd voted to spend as a priority of ours still dwarves by an order of £2bn the alleged £7bn cost of Brexit - if you can believe that figure.

    Is it worth paying a £9bn fee to avoid £7bn in fees?
    Come on, you're brighter than this Philip. The £7bn is not the cost of Brexit, it's just one cost. It'll be dwarfed by cost of lost trade with the EU.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,561
    Quincel said:

    Oddly enough I no longer think Pence brings much to Trump electorally (he represents a portion of the base, but Trump is now beloved by the base) but I don't think there's a chance he'll ditch him. A couple of reasons:

    1. Trump isn't *that* unpredictable, imho. He often does shocking things, but he tends to foreshadow them by publicly toying with the idea (or 'joking' about doing it). There's been no hint from Trump that he is unhappy with Pence.
    2. I think Trump's pride would hold him back, in the same way it seems to be holding back other changes in strategy from his 2016 playbook. Making changes feels like an admission of failure or weakness which he can't stomach.

    Yes & Yes
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    Hope PBers saw my tip from uninformed source far from Trumsky inner circle, that Bobble-head will be dumped over the side in favor of KANYE WEST.

    "Mike Pence is a TERRIBLE person, a real disappointment - couldn't even get ME to wear a mask."

    Tell yer bookie that SeaShanty did NOT send yez!

    It's 2020, I wouldn't even be surprised by this now.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,162

    FPT

    Scott_xP said:
    Is that all?

    Considering our EU membership fees were more than double that, what a bargain leaving is turning out to be!
    As you well know, our net contribution was about £9bn.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7886/
    Even just counting £9bn (and rapidly rising) based upon dubiously knocking off money that was spent in this country despite it not being something we'd voted to spend as a priority of ours still dwarves by an order of £2bn the alleged £7bn cost of Brexit - if you can believe that figure.

    Is it worth paying a £9bn fee to avoid £7bn in fees?
    Come on, you're brighter than this Philip. The £7bn is not the cost of Brexit, it's just one cost. It'll be dwarfed by cost of lost trade with the EU.
    But what price sovereignty? Lol
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,957
    Scott_xP said:
    More effective than the Korean border?
    Crumbs.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,957
    edited July 2020
    Putting Kanye on the ticket is just an advert for his new resort in Paignton.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    The problem with dumping Pence is that he's the link to the religious right. If you put Kanye in his place, do you think that would go down well in rural Alabama?
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,105
    Scott_xP said:
    I am sure it will be a very effective border, doing what borders do best - acting as a barrier to trade and prosperity. This really is a government of imbeciles.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Scott_xP said:
    Usual misleading sensationalist Guardian headline. Bit unusual for it to be explicitly contradicted by the article itself though.
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    Great.

    Inter alia that implies 1-2 million American dead and maybe 10-20m worldwide

    Proper Spanish flu stuff
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    Yes I have laid Pence for running mate. I think there is more chance of Trump dumping him than than the odds imply. I think there's about a 30% chance of it happening.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,347
    Scott_xP said:
    Will it have any planes on this that can actually take off and land on it? A Spitfire Squadron perhaps>?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,892
    If Pence wasn't the incumbent, he might well choose someone else.

    But Pence is the incumbent, and dumping him will needlessly infuriate a large amount of the GOP base.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,162
    Scott_xP said:
    Ah, so Eadric (circa February) became Guardian Science Editor.

    Worrying prediction, nonetheless.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,808

    Scott_xP said:
    Will it have any planes on this that can actually take off and land on it? A Spitfire Squadron perhaps>?
    If we charge them 5p a bag for all the plastic we've dumped on them it will break China.

    Oh, I see, not that kind of carrier.
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221

    Scott_xP said:
    Ah, so Eadric (circa February) became Guardian Science Editor.

    Worrying prediction, nonetheless.
    Turns out old Eadric wasn't so wrong - in anything

    He is much missed
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    guybrushguybrush Posts: 237

    Scott_xP said:
    Will it have any planes on this that can actually take off and land on it? A Spitfire Squadron perhaps>?
    Or, like, a carrier group to defend it against airborne threats and fleet auxiliaries to supply it. I'm glad no deal brexit is going so well, they've clearly found a bunch of spare cash...
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,604
    So instead of 5pm government briefings or statements in Parliament we get to learn about the new face coverings in shops rule from the front pages of the Telegraph and Times.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,906

    Will it have any planes on this that can actually take off and land on it? A Spitfire Squadron perhaps>?

    https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1282789497701314564
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    Scott_xP said:
    Even if deaths, even accounting for lagging, are not rising as badly as number of cases (that's an if, I don't know if that is so or not), I really don't understand the point of easing limits while things are still rising so precipitously. It's not only in the US it has happened. I mean, arguing over whether it is happening too soon or too fast is one thing, there will be valid arguments, but if cases are rising so much?
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    What an utter catastrophe with the face marks. This Government is an absolute joke.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Oh God make it stop ! The UK is beginning to look like Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard .
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,284

    FPT

    Scott_xP said:
    Is that all?

    Considering our EU membership fees were more than double that, what a bargain leaving is turning out to be!
    As you well know, our net contribution was about £9bn.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7886/
    Even just counting £9bn (and rapidly rising) based upon dubiously knocking off money that was spent in this country despite it not being something we'd voted to spend as a priority of ours still dwarves by an order of £2bn the alleged £7bn cost of Brexit - if you can believe that figure.

    Is it worth paying a £9bn fee to avoid £7bn in fees?
    Come on, you're brighter than this Philip. The £7bn is not the cost of Brexit, it's just one cost. It'll be dwarfed by cost of lost trade with the EU.
    We were a successful trading nation before we joined the EU and will be after we have left

    It will be different and huge changes are on the way that may well confound all the naysayers over the years to come
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    LadyG said:

    Great.

    Inter alia that implies 1-2 million American dead and maybe 10-20m worldwide

    Proper Spanish flu stuff
    It may seem an obvious point, but have you considered that the “modelling” for this “reasonable worst case scenario” is probably heavily influenced by drawing heavily on available historic pandemic comparisons? So a scenario largely modelled on Spanish flu is coming up with a worst case scenario if it... emulating Spanish flu outcomes! Incredible coincidence!
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    The Californian university system is about to collapse, financially

    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1282736707247304705?s=20
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,207
    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,660
    LadyG said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Ah, so Eadric (circa February) became Guardian Science Editor.

    Worrying prediction, nonetheless.
    Turns out old Eadric wasn't so wrong - in anything

    He is much missed
    Forgotten but not gone.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,604
    Scott_xP said:
    Never mind face coverings, this is government arse covering.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204
    LadyG said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Ah, so Eadric (circa February) became Guardian Science Editor.

    Worrying prediction, nonetheless.
    Turns out old Eadric wasn't so wrong - in anything

    He is much missed
    Especially in Penarth. The local shop has unsold champagne sitting around.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,561
    Sandpit said:

    If Pence wasn't the incumbent, he might well choose someone else.

    But Pence is the incumbent, and dumping him will needlessly infuriate a large amount of the GOP base.

    WHY would ANYONE be infuriated at dumping of Pence, outside of his own family circle?

    I mean, the guy is VICE PRESIDENT. And in this country, that and $3 will buy you an over-priced cup of coffee.

    Nixon could have dumped Agnew in 1972 & still won. Same with every other president re-elected since.

    AND Carter could have dumped Mondale in 1980, or Bush dumped Quayle in 1992, and still lost.

    VP is simple way LESS important than some pundits & punters think.

    In the words of FDR's first VP, John Nance Garner: "Ain't worth a pitcher of warm piss."
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,284
    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Usual misleading sensationalist Guardian headline. Bit unusual for it to be explicitly contradicted by the article itself though.
    And Trump may win in November !!!!!

    This is speculation on the extremes as admitted in the article
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,660
    Ave_it said:

    New rules - from 24 July 2020 you will have to wear a mask when posting on pb.com

    I can see a ban looming for @Casino_Royale :wink:
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,906

    It will be different and huge changes are on the way that may well confound all the naysayers over the years to come

    But it will never confound the Brexiteers, for whom objective reality is Fake News...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    BBC news says the government has confirmed facemasks will be made compulsory in shops with £100 fines for non compliance
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    alex_ said:

    LadyG said:

    Great.

    Inter alia that implies 1-2 million American dead and maybe 10-20m worldwide

    Proper Spanish flu stuff
    It may seem an obvious point, but have you considered that the “modelling” for this “reasonable worst case scenario” is probably heavily influenced by drawing heavily on available historic pandemic comparisons? So a scenario largely modelled on Spanish flu is coming up with a worst case scenario if it... emulating Spanish flu outcomes! Incredible coincidence!
    Er, Yes, I have considered that.

    Covid-19 has the potential to be easily as bad as Spanish flu. It is more insidious, dangerous and unpredictable. On the upside, medicine is far advanced from 1919, and fatalities should be more limited (unless health systems are overwhelmed)

    10m dead by the end of this is a Reasonable Worst Case Scenario
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    They should have made masks compulsory from the day we locked down. They've done it too late (although they're right to make it compulsory now - and I welcome it despite all the flip flopping) and they will pay the consequences for being so utterly negligent.

    Every passing day, this Government proves it is utterly incapable of actually governing. It is Government by opinion poll. It follows opinion, it does not make it.

    What an utter farce.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,056
    nico67 said:

    Oh God make it stop ! The UK is beginning to look like Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard .
    I can imagine a minister saying, "Come January 1st, we'll be ready for our close up!"
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    No, "fucking clueless" was how they were a week or two ago. Now they have surpassed themselves and are now "world class fucking clueless".

    Maybe they think it has been made an olympic sport?

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    LadyG said:

    The Californian university system is about to collapse, financially

    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1282736707247304705?s=20

    They are still doing online learning
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    I wonder if the Govt at any point considered strongly recommending face masks in shops on a non statutory basis? And backed up by strong messaging about it being “to protect others not yourself” You know, just to see if the public might consider following clear guidance when the reasoning was properly explained?

    Anyways, another 11 days for them to change their minds yet. I wonder if they’ll include all the exemptions allowed with public transport?

    But the question is - will the policeperson have to be wearing a mask when giving you your fine?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    If Starmer had shown leadership and said 'you have to wear a mask;' then LAB would be nailed on for GE 2024.

    But as ever he will follow on this - and maybe write a letter on mask rules.

    :lol:
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Ave_it said:

    New rules - from 24 July 2020 you will have to wear a mask when posting on pb.com

    Surely there will be some exemptions, for example those already wearing rose-tinted glasses?
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,421
    Scott_xP said:
    Presumably what happened was they got the survey data showing that enforcing mask-wearing is popular with the public.

    Mrs Thatcher was triumphant because she instinctively wanted what the Daily Mail wanted, and the Daily Mail is triumphant because they instinctively want what their readers want.

    The current Downing Street team don't have a clue, which is why they're so slow to respond to anything. They have to wait for the polling data.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,176

    What an utter catastrophe with the face marks. This Government is an absolute joke.

    Presumably you mean the Scottish government? Or is it the welsh? Or only conservative governments?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    They should have made masks compulsory from the day we locked down. They've done it too late (although they're right to make it compulsory now - and I welcome it despite all the flip flopping) and they will pay the consequences for being so utterly negligent.

    Every passing day, this Government proves it is utterly incapable of actually governing. It is Government by opinion poll. It follows opinion, it does not make it.

    What an utter farce.

    Good job Starmer has shown leadership on masks

    :lol::lol::lol:
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    Gives people reasonable notice to buy one.
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,812
    Scott_xP said:
    Will this be the carrier with planes, or the one without?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,561
    HYUFD said:

    LadyG said:

    The Californian university system is about to collapse, financially

    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1282736707247304705?s=20

    They are still doing online learning
    The LA Times story is about the LA public K-12 school system NOT the California state higher education system.

    Of course ALL public education from preschool to senior advanced learning (drool-school?) is under SEVERELY fiscal pressure.
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    Ave_it said:

    They should have made masks compulsory from the day we locked down. They've done it too late (although they're right to make it compulsory now - and I welcome it despite all the flip flopping) and they will pay the consequences for being so utterly negligent.

    Every passing day, this Government proves it is utterly incapable of actually governing. It is Government by opinion poll. It follows opinion, it does not make it.

    What an utter farce.

    Good job Starmer has shown leadership on masks

    :lol::lol::lol:
    No he should have lead by example and put one on weeks ago. A real failure that he has not.
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    guybrushguybrush Posts: 237
    Face masks, I dunno, in my opinion the precautionary principle probably applies here. And I would guess the Asians are probably onto something.

    I would like a convincing explanation from HMG of what has changed since March though. Is being treated like a grown adult too much to ask? Oh wait, I forgot this is from the people that brought us £350m for the NHS...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204
    HYUFD said:

    BBC news says the government has confirmed facemasks will be made compulsory in shops with £100 fines for non compliance

    When is the Speaker going to get shirty about these announcements via media that are not made in Commons first?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    What if you are eating a Parmo at the time?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    Because if you're going to change the law at penalty of fines you need time to allow people to both get the information so that they know the law and give them time if need be to order masks online and get them delivered.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Scott_xP said:
    Are both supposed to be at sea at the same time? I thought they operated on rotation?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    Scott_xP said:
    This is one of the most striking traits of this government - the puerile boasting.

    They clearly feel we lap it up and the Johnson Cummings electoral record implies they are right.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,906

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    They have given the ERG 11 days to work out how to put on a mask...
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited July 2020


    ...
    The current Downing Street team don't have a clue, which is why they're so slow to respond to anything. They have to wait for the polling data.

    That would work to some extent if they actually did wait, rather than saying one or multiple things and then contradicting themselves a couple of days later.

    In truth though, I don't think it's about waiting for polling. I think it's just straightforward incompetence and lack of leadership.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,373
    Scott_xP said:

    Will it have any planes on this that can actually take off and land on it? A Spitfire Squadron perhaps>?

    https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1282789497701314564
    The initial capability will be 2 squadrons of 12 aircraft, IIRC.

    The US Marine Corps want to practically camp on the UK carriers - they want to bring at least a squadron of their own.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,204
    Scott_xP said:
    It's almost as if Gove isn't in the loop.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    HYUFD said:

    LadyG said:

    The Californian university system is about to collapse, financially

    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1282736707247304705?s=20

    They are still doing online learning
    The “university experience” is going to be a barrel of laughs for the next couple of years.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,284

    They should have made masks compulsory from the day we locked down. They've done it too late (although they're right to make it compulsory now - and I welcome it despite all the flip flopping) and they will pay the consequences for being so utterly negligent.

    Every passing day, this Government proves it is utterly incapable of actually governing. It is Government by opinion poll. It follows opinion, it does not make it.

    What an utter farce.

    Maybe to you and others, but why not relax a bit otherwise you are not going to last 4 more years to the next election
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,808

    Ave_it said:

    New rules - from 24 July 2020 you will have to wear a mask when posting on pb.com

    Surely there will be some exemptions, for example those already wearing rose-tinted glasses?
    I know he stockpiled, but surely SeanT must have nearly exhausted his supply of different PB masks by now.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    They should have made masks compulsory from the day we locked down. They've done it too late (although they're right to make it compulsory now - and I welcome it despite all the flip flopping) and they will pay the consequences for being so utterly negligent.

    Every passing day, this Government proves it is utterly incapable of actually governing. It is Government by opinion poll. It follows opinion, it does not make it.

    What an utter farce.

    Good job Starmer has shown leadership on masks

    :lol::lol::lol:
    No he should have lead by example and put one on weeks ago. A real failure that he has not.
    Agreed looks like Priti PM #GE2024
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,906

    Will this be the carrier with planes, or the one without?

    See upthread. They want other countries to lend us the planes. And the rest of the ships.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,270
    alex_ said:

    LadyG said:

    Great.

    Inter alia that implies 1-2 million American dead and maybe 10-20m worldwide

    Proper Spanish flu stuff
    It may seem an obvious point, but have you considered that the “modelling” for this “reasonable worst case scenario” is probably heavily influenced by drawing heavily on available historic pandemic comparisons? So a scenario largely modelled on Spanish flu is coming up with a worst case scenario if it... emulating Spanish flu outcomes! Incredible coincidence!
    It is still nowhere near the worst case scenario regularly posted here by a certain PB’er apparently no longer with us.
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    CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited July 2020

    They should have made masks compulsory from the day we locked down. They've done it too late (although they're right to make it compulsory now - and I welcome it despite all the flip flopping) and they will pay the consequences for being so utterly negligent.

    Every passing day, this Government proves it is utterly incapable of actually governing. It is Government by opinion poll. It follows opinion, it does not make it.

    What an utter farce.

    Maybe to you and others, but why not relax a bit otherwise you are not going to last 4 more years to the next election
    How about you fuck off and stop telling me what to do. Prick.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,284

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    No, "fucking clueless" was how they were a week or two ago. Now they have surpassed themselves and are now "world class fucking clueless".

    Maybe they think it has been made an olympic sport?

    So please explain why Drakeford announced today, no masks for shops in Wales
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,105

    FPT

    Scott_xP said:
    Is that all?

    Considering our EU membership fees were more than double that, what a bargain leaving is turning out to be!
    As you well know, our net contribution was about £9bn.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7886/
    Even just counting £9bn (and rapidly rising) based upon dubiously knocking off money that was spent in this country despite it not being something we'd voted to spend as a priority of ours still dwarves by an order of £2bn the alleged £7bn cost of Brexit - if you can believe that figure.

    Is it worth paying a £9bn fee to avoid £7bn in fees?
    Come on, you're brighter than this Philip. The £7bn is not the cost of Brexit, it's just one cost. It'll be dwarfed by cost of lost trade with the EU.
    We were a successful trading nation before we joined the EU and will be after we have left

    It will be different and huge changes are on the way that may well confound all the naysayers over the years to come
    No, we were an unsuccessful trading nation, beset by recurring balance of payments crises and falling behind the continental economies. That is why we joined the EEC/EU. If you are referring to the nineteenth century, I think you may be forgetting that we no longer have a vast empire to pillage and force to trade with us on terms favourable to us.
    As I recall you didn't even vote for Brexit, so I don't know why you are trying to dress up billions of pounds of pointless red tape and needless impediments to trade with our neighbours as anything other than a ludicrous step backwards. The Tories' reputation as the party of business will never survive this, and nor should it.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607


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    The current Downing Street team don't have a clue, which is why they're so slow to respond to anything. They have to wait for the polling data.

    That would work to some extent if they actually did wait, rather than saying one or multiple things and then contradicting themselves a couple of days later.

    In truth though, I don't think it's about waiting for polling. I thinks it's just straightforward incompetence and lack of leadership.
    Wrt messaging on masks, Boris and the rest are definitely on the same page. Only Gove isn't and he's clearly been overruled. Good thing too. However, it's beyond ridiculous that the government doesn't speak with a single voice
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,207
    Ave_it said:

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    What if you are eating a Parmo at the time?
    In the aisle in Aldi?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,114

    They should have made masks compulsory from the day we locked down. They've done it too late (although they're right to make it compulsory now - and I welcome it despite all the flip flopping) and they will pay the consequences for being so utterly negligent.

    Every passing day, this Government proves it is utterly incapable of actually governing. It is Government by opinion poll. It follows opinion, it does not make it.

    What an utter farce.

    Maybe to you and others, but why not relax a bit otherwise you are not going to last 4 more years to the next election
    How about you fuck off and stop telling me what to do. Prick.
    Oooh....touchy!
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    Because if you're going to change the law at penalty of fines you need time to allow people to both get the information so that they know the law and give them time if need be to order masks online and get them delivered.
    Will you just have to wear one, or can you be fined for not wearing it properly? And given that a scarf is allowed, what is the approved way to wear a scarf?
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    alex_ said:

    HYUFD said:

    LadyG said:

    The Californian university system is about to collapse, financially

    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1282736707247304705?s=20

    They are still doing online learning
    The “university experience” is going to be a barrel of laughs for the next couple of years.
    Quite.

    Why would you go to Uni now, if it just meant endless Zoom-lectures and staying at home to wank, sorry, study webinars and complete online blah blah

    University is all about enjoying the new social life, stay up all night drinking with smart new people, making lifelong new friends from around the world, who have great tits/abs.

    No one will take on £50-100k of debt to do internet quizzes.

    The western university business model is facing a world of pain.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,284

    HYUFD said:

    BBC news says the government has confirmed facemasks will be made compulsory in shops with £100 fines for non compliance

    When is the Speaker going to get shirty about these announcements via media that are not made in Commons first?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    It is IMPERATIVE that you wear a face mask. For the Public Good. From a week on Friday.

    Seriously, does anyone want to explain why we need to wear them a week on Friday onwards but not tomorrow?

    They really are fucking clueless.

    What if you are eating a Parmo at the time?
    In the aisle in Aldi?
    Isn't that what you normally do in Stockton? :lol:
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    CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited July 2020
    Frankly that one particular user has been allowed to act like he's a moderator and to tell others what to do as rudely as he wants with no consequence for quite a while and I am fed up with it. And yet when they're called out they go on the defensive like the weak little prat they are. I call arrogant twats what they are and they are one.

    Nobody has a right to tell anyone here what to do, end of story. I won't tell you what to do, you don't tell me what to do.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,207
    I've been suffering increasing anxiety this last week or so. Working 3 days a week and furlough the other two makes for am I working (a 5 day week compressed into 3) or can sit on my arse? Brain doesn't know if I am coming or going frankly.

    It's really not being helped by these cockwombles. A week on Friday I can go the gym and work myself into a sweaty mess indoors without a mask. Because it's safe. But cannot go indoors into a shop without a mask. Because it isn't safe.

    Use your common sense? Come on. Some loon mentioned 4 years to an election - do you think I care about that? This is about our lives and sanity. Or lack of.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,270
    MaxPB said:


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    The current Downing Street team don't have a clue, which is why they're so slow to respond to anything. They have to wait for the polling data.

    That would work to some extent if they actually did wait, rather than saying one or multiple things and then contradicting themselves a couple of days later.

    In truth though, I don't think it's about waiting for polling. I thinks it's just straightforward incompetence and lack of leadership.
    Wrt messaging on masks, Boris and the rest are definitely on the same page. Only Gove isn't and he's clearly been overruled. Good thing too. However, it's beyond ridiculous that the government doesn't speak with a single voice
    I think it is more that what the government is thinking and saying today won’t necessarily be what they are thinking and saying tomorrow.
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    ComradeComrade Posts: 1
    If Trump pulls out of the race then Pence probably won't stand for president (even if he becomes president before election day), for the simple reason that Pence's role as head of the coronavirus task force means that his handling of the coronavirus crisis is Trump's handling of it. Not enough voters are stupid enough to be led by a little bit of differential mask choreography into viewing Pence as the guy who defeated or who will defeat the virus despite Trump not having a clue. If Trump falls whether by flouncing or otherwise he will fall hard.

    That said, it was interesting that in the video in which they pre-emptively criticised Republican leaders such as Ted Cruz whom they predicted would try to distance themselves from Trump regardless of having supported him to the hilt, the Lincoln Project said not a word about Pence. Maybe they felt they didn't have to.
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