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Sure, but I believe both should be ignored for proper alphabeticalisation.TheScreamingEagles said:
An is an indefinite article, The is the definite article.Socrates said:Another issue about the electoral commission. Surely the "An" shouldn't count for alphabetical order? Do they count the "The" for "The Conservative and Unionist Party"?
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If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.state_go_away said:
Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clownsrcs1000 said:0 -
I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.AveryLP said:
Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.JohnLilburne said:Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.
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They are, in 2009, Labour were listed as "The Labour Party" and were on the second half of the ballot paper. The Tories are always listed as "Conservative Party" or "Conservatives".JohnLilburne said:Why is AIFE not listed under I? Articles are usually ignored when alphabetising. Otherwise all the other parties would be listed under T for The
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Not if they leave the "The" out when filling in their nomination forms!JohnLilburne said:Why is AIFE not listed under I? Articles are usually ignored when alphabetising. Otherwise all the other parties would be listed under T for The
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Wikipedia agrees with me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_articles#Effect_on_alphabetical_order
So not only did the Electoral Commission decide a party with "UK Independence Now" should be allowed despite a party called "The UK Independence Party" already standing, they also put the former at the top of the list in a manner inconsistent with traditional grammar rules.
There are two big decisions to go: whether UKIP are more of a "major" party than a party lower in the polls, and whether UKIP are allowed in the general election debates. If those both go against UKIP we will have confirmation of a very strong anti-UKIP bias.
EDIT: Apparently the Electoral Commission always include the article for alphabetizing. So they're just incompetent rather than malicious in this case.0 -
The one headed by Edward Longshanks onwards! I did say 'allegedly' ... The English crown claimed Brutus's ancestry and therefore dominion over Britain as a whole, and the Scots responded by claiming descent from the Greeks ... not an expert in this field, but this gives some flavour (plus what others have remarked here today).Smarmeron said:@Carnyx
"And if anyone had Trojan heritage it was allegedly (a) the Scottish royal family"
Which Scottish royal family?
http://www.boydellandbrewer.com/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=14374
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Give me five mins, and Wikipedia will soon disagree with you.Socrates said:Wikipedia agrees with me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_articles#Effect_on_alphabetical_order
So not only did the Electoral Commission decide a party with "UK Independence Now" should be allowed despite a party called "The UK Independence Party" already standing, they also put the former at the top of the list in a manner inconsistent with traditional rules.
There are two big decisions to go: whether UKIP are more of a "major" party than a party lower in the polls, and whether UKIP are allowed in the general election debates. If those both go against UKIP we will have confirmation of a very strong anti-UKIP bias.0 -
I always associate it with "The Pirate bay", which is advertising yourselves at the moment.Lennon said:
If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.state_go_away said:
Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clownsrcs1000 said:0 -
Have just cast my ballot. Polling station dead, LOL.
Prospective Kipper council candidate standing outside the polling station though (no sign of other local election candidates)0 -
FYI, Dolphin sell unanonymised user data to Russian companies linked with gangsters. If you don't like Chrome try Boat Browser or, if you are lucky enough, the stock Android Browser which will be called "Internet" or "Browser".JohnLilburne said:
I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.AveryLP said:
Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.JohnLilburne said:Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.
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Tin foil hat time.Socrates said:Wikipedia agrees with me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_articles#Effect_on_alphabetical_order
So not only did the Electoral Commission decide a party with "UK Independence Now" should be allowed despite a party called "The UK Independence Party" already standing, they also put the former at the top of the list in a manner inconsistent with traditional grammar rules.
There are two big decisions to go: whether UKIP are more of a "major" party than a party lower in the polls, and whether UKIP are allowed in the general election debates. If those both go against UKIP we will have confirmation of a very strong anti-UKIP bias.
EDIT: Apparently the Electoral Commission always include the article for alphabetizing. So they're just incompetent rather than malicious in this case.
Next, the EC will be accused of using HAARP to alter completed ballot papers.
(5th voter at 8.40 in rural Surrey, those previous being Another Watcher, and 3 others. Sorely tempted by the Roman).0 -
On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.0
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Less of a gravy train and more of a gravy faster-than-light rocket ship.anotherDave said:"... in Brussels, even mid-ranking administrators can take home more cash than the Prime Minister. The leaked papers show that EU officials in the “AD 11” grade, a middle management group, have gross earnings of £112,090, including expatriation and household allowances. But because they pay just 13.4 per cent in tax, they take home £83,357 in net pay."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10847979/10000-European-Union-officials-better-paid-than-David-Cameron.html
To boldly ladle where no man has ladled before
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2 Greens on my Facebook.0
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And I'm still rolling along?Pulpstar said:2 Greens on my Facebook.
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Do you have a presence in Somalia?Lennon said:
If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.state_go_away said:
Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clownsrcs1000 said:0 -
AIFE wasn't at the top of my ballot paper it was 4EPP
If that's true in many places surely it negates the threat?0 -
Morning all.
Have just returned from voting in Parkfield ward and was a little surprised to find 2 other people in front of me. Have split my vote this time, CON for local and UKIP for Euro.
Re the comments upthread about Portillo. A mate of mine is a cabbie and has said to me in the past that MP is the worst by far of any of the famous / well known people that he has had in his cab in terms of arrogance, rudeness and general don't you know who I am etc0 -
Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.JohnLilburne said:On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.
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The stock browser is a sort of stripped-down Chrome which doesn't sync with my home favourites. But will play Flash. Both tend to reload pages if you switch tabs or between apps which is a pain in the a*se if you have a poor connection. Sometimes I would like to be able to cache a thread and read it on the train for example. Thanks for the heads up on Dolphin, I will try Boat.MaxPB said:
FYI, Dolphin sell unanonymised user data to Russian companies linked with gangsters. If you don't like Chrome try Boat Browser or, if you are lucky enough, the stock Android Browser which will be called "Internet" or "Browser".JohnLilburne said:
I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.AveryLP said:
Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.JohnLilburne said:Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.
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Not in the least odd for you to feel that way, I think. I was also surprised and indeed disconcerted by the return of the Jewish heritage issue to UK politics with Mr M's remarks a few weeks ago vis a vis Disraeli (and not the One Nation thing either), and now this bacon roll stuff.JohnLilburne said:On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.
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Thought it was the Welsh who were descended from emigre Trojans under Brutus? Allegedly!Carnyx said:
The one headed by Edward Longshanks onwards! I did say 'allegedly' ... The English crown claimed Brutus's ancestry and therefore dominion over Britain as a whole, and the Scots responded by claiming descent from the Greeks ... not an expert in this field, but this gives some flavour (plus what others have remarked here today).Smarmeron said:@Carnyx
"And if anyone had Trojan heritage it was allegedly (a) the Scottish royal family"
Which Scottish royal family?
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4EPP are only standing in 1 region (I think).isam said:AIFE wasn't at the top of my ballot paper it was 4EPP
If that's true in many places surely it negates the threat?0 -
Edward Miliband does not look the sort to eat BEER CAN sandwiches (Jamaican pronunciation) ,not because he is Jewish but because he looks like he could be a veggie. I admire him a little more for eating one I must sayPulpstar said:
Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.JohnLilburne said:On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.
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Back from casting my vote upon the waters. The funny thing that OGH may be interested in, is that in Richmond, An Alternative to Europe was not at top of ballot: it came second to 4 Freedoms. LOL0
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It's been a fascinating election here in Newham and one not without a touch of controversy. The Conservatives in 2010 were strongly organised in the Tamil community but this time it seems more like Muslim businessmen are to the fore. The shops have election posters and the houses don't which is curious.
The Muslim-owned stores are solidly Tory while the Tamil-owned businesses are more Lib Dem. I've not seen this "leaflet" which has caused so much furore though ConservativeHome have raised issues about one of the Conservative candidates and some of his more extreme pro-Muslim utterings.
As I've said, the CPA will be challenging in Canning Town, the Tories will be hoping for something in Royal Docks and perhspa one of the Green Street Wards while the LDs are not completely without hope in East Ham North and Central.
As a market maker, I'd have the spread on Labour seats at 57-58 and the spread on all other parties at 0-1.0 -
Oh right... Well it stopped me voting for the wrong party anyway!!SandyRentool said:
4EPP are only standing in 1 region (I think).isam said:AIFE wasn't at the top of my ballot paper it was 4EPP
If that's true in many places surely it negates the threat?0 -
No I'm not on Facebook. I went on it for a while, then realised that it was an IQ-depressant, so came off again.Pulpstar said:
I am on Linkedin, though I'm not really sure why.0 -
I assume anything done by a party leader the day before an election is pre-planned. And he obviously doesn't do it very often as he made a bit of a mess of it. He also doesn't seem to be a man of the people who likes a quick bacon butty when peckish, although my apologies to his team if that is, in fact, the case.Pulpstar said:
Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.JohnLilburne said:On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.
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There was a recent report on UK Electoral Law, in which it notes that:
"Parliament enacted detailed prescriptive rules relating to electoral
administration and campaign conduct; "
The point being that the Electoral Commission is following the directions of Parliament. It is Parliament which has decreed the ballot papers should be in alphabetical order. It is Parliament which allows for a party description on the ballot paper.0 -
Oh there were 4 people leaving the polling station and 4 in there... Mostly OAPs but one schoolgirl!0
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A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.
Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.
The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.
Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-274863920 -
Vote cast, for St Dave and the renegotiationists. Polling station quiet, however a few suspiciously well dressed men entered shortly after me, given their age and chronic anger I imagine it's a Kipper landslide in Broadland. Polling clerk noted my address and hilariously asked me to take her down a glass of Pimms and Lemonade for the afternoon. I thought only if I can stand outside with a cudgel and beat any stray lefties who haven't been kettled in the city. J/k lefties ;-)
Anecdote time. my father has just arrived and I asked if he would be voting (fearing a UKIP defection), he 'won't be voting for an illegal institution, it's not what I voted for in 1973' etc.
And final anecdotal evidence for the day. At my parents yesterday tea time, they live in a traditionally extremely Lib Dem ward, usually plastered at election time with orange diamonds. Not a single one on display in the area. Based on that alone, I confidently predict the Lib Dems will come fifth and struggle to get more than one or maybe two MEPs. They are, as the saying goes, done.0 -
Lol!state_go_away said:
Do you have a presence in Somalia?Lennon said:
If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.state_go_away said:
Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clownsrcs1000 said:
Keeping dry in Nottingham so far - voting seems steady.0 -
If Labour do badly, the grandees of the party are going to have to move quickly. They need to tell Ed he's not up to it NOW. Do an Australian Labor Party coup, and get Yvette or someone else in. Doomed if they don't.0
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Seems to have been one prince each for the Scots, Welsh and English with the latter allegedly dominant as a result! I hesitate to get too involved, because of all the cod-Arthurian stuff, but Geoffrey of Monmouth (who really was producing political propaganda) put forward this sort of thing, seeOldKingCole said:
Thought it was the Welsh who were descended from emigre Trojans under Brutus? Allegedly!Carnyx said:
The one headed by Edward Longshanks onwards! I did say 'allegedly' ... The English crown claimed Brutus's ancestry and therefore dominion over Britain as a whole, and the Scots responded by claiming descent from the Greeks ... not an expert in this field, but this gives some flavour (plus what others have remarked here today).Smarmeron said:@Carnyx
"And if anyone had Trojan heritage it was allegedly (a) the Scottish royal family"
Which Scottish royal family?
http://www.boydellandbrewer.com/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=14374
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DGRrF0CV8BYC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=brutus+scotland+geoffrey&source=bl&ots=AKMNbkU0No&sig=wtXTQJ4jMpMSSP7GIh8Uh1D9vI4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aMp9U9vZNpSO7Abp0YGwBQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=brutus scotland geoffrey&f=false
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The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrrFinancier said:A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.
Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.
The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.
Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-274863920 -
At first glance my ballot paper didn't even seem to have UKIP on - it had more than a dozen parties and the paper hadn't folded completely out when I opened it.
Polling station was ticking over, which is good, considering it was 10.45AM and turnout in local elections here is around 20%.0 -
If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.0
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@Financier
"Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison."
I voted Labour in the Councils and LD in the Euros, Financier, but don't tell anybody.
Voting seemed quite brisk here in leafy Wanstead, but then the locals in Churchill's former parish tend to be quite keen on that sort of thing.
The EU ballot paper is amazingly long but frankly anybody who votes for the wrong team by mistake deserves to be banned from voting for the next five elections.
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Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.antifrank said:If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
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Football365 forum is conducting a voodoo poll into how its forummers have voted. The Greens are currently top on 35% of the vote.0
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Miliband himself is a self-declared atheist, a Jew primarily in the ethnic sense. His bacon-eating is neither here nor there. The only issue is how Ed distinguishes himself from Disraeli, a Jew by birth who converted to Christianity while still a child. The cases was made that Disraeli had repudiated his heritage, whereas Ed embraced it, but I'm not convinced.Carnyx said:
Not in the least odd for you to feel that way, I think. I was also surprised and indeed disconcerted by the return of the Jewish heritage issue to UK politics with Mr M's remarks a few weeks ago vis a vis Disraeli (and not the One Nation thing either), and now this bacon roll stuff.JohnLilburne said:On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.
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It's the bacon and flowers strategy, shoring up the pig farming hippy vote.JohnLilburne said:
I assume anything done by a party leader the day before an election is pre-planned. And he obviously doesn't do it very often as he made a bit of a mess of it. He also doesn't seem to be a man of the people who likes a quick bacon butty when peckish, although my apologies to his team if that is, in fact, the case.Pulpstar said:
Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.JohnLilburne said:On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.
A key demographic.0 -
You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.Richard_Nabavi said:
Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.antifrank said:If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
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And yet they've overseen a dramatic rise in postal voting.dyedwoolie said:
The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrrFinancier said:A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.
Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.
The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.
Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-274863920 -
Go on Nick, tell us how the last minute canvassing shows a marked surge to Labour which ties in with what your colleagues are reporting. You know you want to ;-) :-DNickPalmer said:
Lol!state_go_away said:
Do you have a presence in Somalia?Lennon said:
If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.state_go_away said:
Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clownsrcs1000 said:
Keeping dry in Nottingham so far - voting seems steady.0 -
Obviously it is a plot against the Kippers.
I'm off to the cinema to watch which has been released today, a film starring a 74 year old gay guy who converts a bunch of talented young people to commit evil because they are persecuted.
My review of X Men : Days of Future Past will be posted on PB this evening.0 -
Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”antifrank said:
You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.Richard_Nabavi said:
Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.antifrank said:If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
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Shoüld be banned for everyone except people with poor mobility. Everyone else can get their lazy arse to the polling booth.Socrates said:
And yet they've overseen a dramatic rise in postal voting.dyedwoolie said:
The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrrFinancier said:A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.
Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.
The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.
Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-274863920 -
Duncan Stott
@DuncanStott Electoral Commission TOP TIP: improve turnout amongst younger voters by being killjoys over polling booth selfies
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The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”antifrank said:
You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.Richard_Nabavi said:
Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.antifrank said:If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark
Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.0 -
How many times are your telling stations folding the ballots ?! When I went in it was unfolded, the chap who handed it to me folded it once across the middle.Grandiose said:At first glance my ballot paper didn't even seem to have UKIP on - it had more than a dozen parties and the paper hadn't folded completely out when I opened it.
Polling station was ticking over, which is good, considering it was 10.45AM and turnout in local elections here is around 20%.
UKIP clearly visible with their £ logo...0 -
The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.antifrank said:
The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”antifrank said:
You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.Richard_Nabavi said:
Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.antifrank said:If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark
Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
The glare that could freeze mercury.0 -
I tend to go on holiday in May so find postal voting extremely useful. But wonder if a system of in-person early voting like in the USA would be better.dyedwoolie said:
Shoüld be banned for everyone except people with poor mobility. Everyone else can get their lazy arse to the polling booth.Socrates said:
And yet they've overseen a dramatic rise in postal voting.dyedwoolie said:
The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrrFinancier said:A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.
Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.
The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.
Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392
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Actually my local polling station had the EU ballot already unrolled to give to voters. A pleasant surprise.Grandiose said:At first glance my ballot paper didn't even seem to have UKIP on - it had more than a dozen parties and the paper hadn't folded completely out when I opened it.
Polling station was ticking over, which is good, considering it was 10.45AM and turnout in local elections here is around 20%.0 -
Some more regularly than others, TSE!TheScreamingEagles said:The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.
The glare that could freeze mercury.
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To be fair, he ought to tell her to suck it up and stop being such a fuddy duddy. None wants a celebration of a mans life to be a dirge of self-flagellation, well, except for political expediencyTheScreamingEagles said:
The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.antifrank said:
The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”antifrank said:
You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.Richard_Nabavi said:
Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.antifrank said:If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark
Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
The glare that could freeze mercury.0 -
I doubt that Michelle Obama's displeasure was caused by lack of reverence.dyedwoolie said:
To be fair, he ought to tell her to suck it up and stop being such a fuddy duddy. None wants a celebration of a mans life to be a dirge of self-flagellation, well, except for political expediencyTheScreamingEagles said:
The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.antifrank said:
The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”antifrank said:
You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.Richard_Nabavi said:
Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.antifrank said:If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark
Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
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Or vote at the embassy if abroad. Yeah' early voting if registered in time for holidaymakersJohnLilburne said:
I tend to go on holiday in May so find postal voting extremely useful. But wonder if a system of in-person early voting like in the USA would be better.dyedwoolie said:
Shoüld be banned for everyone except people with poor mobility. Everyone else can get their lazy arse to the polling booth.Socrates said:
And yet they've overseen a dramatic rise in postal voting.dyedwoolie said:
The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrrFinancier said:A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.
Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.
The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.
Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.
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Sadly the page reloading issue is not browser related but phone related. Essentially when you use your phone it stores everything in its RAM, but if you multi task then your current usage will push out old tasks from the memory cache. Essentially your phone has poor RAM management or not enough RAM. I would personally recommend the Xperia Z2 if you never want any page reloads as it gas a crapload of RAM and excellent memory management software.JohnLilburne said:
The stock browser is a sort of stripped-down Chrome which doesn't sync with my home favourites. But will play Flash. Both tend to reload pages if you switch tabs or between apps which is a pain in the a*se if you have a poor connection. Sometimes I would like to be able to cache a thread and read it on the train for example. Thanks for the heads up on Dolphin, I will try Boat.MaxPB said:
FYI, Dolphin sell unanonymised user data to Russian companies linked with gangsters. If you don't like Chrome try Boat Browser or, if you are lucky enough, the stock Android Browser which will be called "Internet" or "Browser".JohnLilburne said:
I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.AveryLP said:
Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.JohnLilburne said:Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.
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Tight knickers?antifrank said:
I doubt that Michelle Obama's displeasure was caused by lack of reverence.dyedwoolie said:
To be fair, he ought to tell her to suck it up and stop being such a fuddy duddy. None wants a celebration of a mans life to be a dirge of self-flagellation, well, except for political expediencyTheScreamingEagles said:
The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.antifrank said:
The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”antifrank said:
You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.Richard_Nabavi said:
Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.antifrank said:If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark
Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
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Twice, so it had four sections. (I had to then fold it a third time to put it in the ballot box!) The woman folded it in front of me. At the end of the day I did remedy the error and take at least a glance at all the parties; I wasn't suggesting it would have posed a UKIP voter must problem.Pulpstar said:
How many times are your telling stations folding the ballots ?! When I went in it was unfolded, the chap who handed it to me folded it once across the middle.Grandiose said:At first glance my ballot paper didn't even seem to have UKIP on - it had more than a dozen parties and the paper hadn't folded completely out when I opened it.
Polling station was ticking over, which is good, considering it was 10.45AM and turnout in local elections here is around 20%.
UKIP clearly visible with their £ logo...
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Three Rivers will not be a LD loss to NOC . New wards and boundaries sees the council reduced to 39 seats in 13 3 member wards . 7 are safe Lib Dem 3 safe conservative and 1 safe Labour . The other 2 wards are likely to be split Con/LD . Independent Guy Davies may be able to get back in normally safe Conservative Chorleywood North . My forecast for new council is LD 23 Con 12 or 13 Lab 3 Ind 0 or 1rogerh said:Final prediction on Council changes of control (Possibles rather than probable have question mark)
Lab Gains
Bristol from NOC
Swindon from CON
Croydon from CON
Harrow from NOC
Merton from NOC
Redbridge from NOC
Bradford from NOC
Calderdale from NOC
Kirklees from NOC
Stockport from NOC(?)
Walsall from NOC
Amber Valley from CON
Cambridge from LD
Crawley from CON
Tamworth frpm CON
Waveney from NOC
W Lancs from CON
Con Gains
Kingston from LD
Sutton from LD(?)
Winchester from NOC(?)
St Albans from NOC(?)
Purbeck from NOC(?)
Con losses to NOC
Basildon(?)
Basingstoke(?)
Lib Dem losses to NOC
Portsmouth
Three Rivers.0 -
All hail the unwed. Our kissers is our joy and our freedomRichard_Nabavi said:
Some more regularly than others, TSE!TheScreamingEagles said:The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.
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Westminster Pmt does indeed. Here is, for instance, the legislation for Scotland http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2999/pdfs/uksi_20102999_en.pdf refers.OblitusSumMe said:There was a recent report on UK Electoral Law, in which it notes that:
"Parliament enacted detailed prescriptive rules relating to electoral
administration and campaign conduct; "
The point being that the Electoral Commission is following the directions of Parliament. It is Parliament which has decreed the ballot papers should be in alphabetical order. It is Parliament which allows for a party description on the ballot paper.
There is a curious dispensation therein (pp 66-67) for parties to label themselves as Scottish on the ballot paper when it is not part of their formal name (the SNP did not need it for obvious reasons).
" (3) The name of the registered party authorised by the nominating officer in accordance with paragraph (2) may be preceded (disregarding, for this purpose, the word “the” where it is the first word of the name) by the word “Scottish” if that word is not used in the name of the party registered under section 28 of the 2000 Political Parties Act. "
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Here's a tip for the "Wear Valley Independents" (who won a seat in my ward last year) - why not stand as "An Independence from Durham" next time, and you might sweep the board?0
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Well Jenny Watson has at least gone up a little in my estimation. She may even be above Bercow now.TheScreamingEagles said:Mr Bercow refused to accept Miss Watson’s resignation over the fiasco.
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The SNP should have gone for "An Independence From England"; it would at least have demonstrated that they have a sense of humour.SandyRentool said:Here's a tip for the "Wear Valley Independents" (who won a seat in my ward last year) - why not stand as "An Independence from Durham" next time, and you might sweep the board?
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Unsurprisingly I'm more regular than others.Richard_Nabavi said:
Some more regularly than others, TSE!TheScreamingEagles said:The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.
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That's a low blowTissue_Price said:
Well Jenny Watson has at least gone up a little in my estimation. She may even be above Bercow now.TheScreamingEagles said:Mr Bercow refused to accept Miss Watson’s resignation over the fiasco.
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Problem with early voting is that late breaking stories often break too late to matter, as happened in the Oregon Republican Senate primary this week.
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There's something very interesting about the local ballot - but I don't want to comment on it till polling closes here as I don't know if it's legal to do so!Tissue_Price said:
The SNP should have gone for "An Independence From England"; it would at least have demonstrated that they have a sense of humour.SandyRentool said:Here's a tip for the "Wear Valley Independents" (who won a seat in my ward last year) - why not stand as "An Independence from Durham" next time, and you might sweep the board?
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Firefox has a "save as pdf" option which is v good for offline reading.JohnLilburne said:
The stock browser is a sort of stripped-down Chrome which doesn't sync with my home favourites. But will play Flash. Both tend to reload pages if you switch tabs or between apps which is a pain in the a*se if you have a poor connection. Sometimes I would like to be able to cache a thread and read it on the train for example. Thanks for the heads up on Dolphin, I will try Boat.MaxPB said:
FYI, Dolphin sell unanonymised user data to Russian companies linked with gangsters. If you don't like Chrome try Boat Browser or, if you are lucky enough, the stock Android Browser which will be called "Internet" or "Browser".JohnLilburne said:
I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.AveryLP said:
Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.JohnLilburne said:Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.
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You're such a tease Carnyx - you're on the premier uk politics blog - follow convention and post away!!!0
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What was it that Dave said about UKIP?
A UKIP candidate is today being investigated by party chiefs over a string of comments left on Facebook.
Liz Mahon, who is standing for the party in Garrison ward, Preston Council, made posts hailing Enoch Powell, criticising Nigel Farage for paying tribute to Nelson Mandela and calling halal food ‘sick evil satanic’.
The politician made a number of her posts on the Facebook pages of the far-right English Defence League and Britain First parties.
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/ukip-probes-preston-candidate-s-comments-on-facebook-1-66309460 -
Well here in Wales there was no An Independence From Europe on the ballot paper. Britain First 'Remember Lee Rigby' was top. Voting was, surprisingly, brisk. I was expecting to be the only person there, as usual, but three or four others were also in attendance. The rather large ballot papers requiring many folds seemed to be filling up the ballot boxes rather quickly.0
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Is You Gov vote share GB or UK as UKIP and the tories are both running candidates in Northern Ireland.0
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Candidates for all the major parties behave exactly like that all the time; it's just that the media don't report it.TheScreamingEagles said:What was it that Dave said about UKIP?
A UKIP candidate is today being investigated by party chiefs over a string of comments left on Facebook.
Liz Mahon, who is standing for the party in Garrison ward, Preston Council, made posts hailing Enoch Powell, criticising Nigel Farage for paying tribute to Nelson Mandela and calling halal food ‘sick evil satanic’.
The politician made a number of her posts on the Facebook pages of the far-right English Defence League and Britain First parties.
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/ukip-probes-preston-candidate-s-comments-on-facebook-1-6630946
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Well, I've been up to vote this morning, turnout seemed pretty decent. Not quite General Election Levels but busier than you'd expect in the morning, certainly busier than the last euros. No AIFE on the ballot here but I was disgusted at the sight of 'Britain First - Remember Lee Rigby' first up on the paper. How on earth the Electoral Commision allowed that I'll never know.0
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Ed M - how can anyone vote for an anti-bacon butty party? Ed is Genius!!!0 -
What is "pre-planned", as opposed to just "planned"? Are we saying the stunt came before the planning? If so, wouldn't it just be "unplanned"?JohnLilburne said:
I assume anything done by a party leader the day before an election is pre-planned. And he obviously doesn't do it very often as he made a bit of a mess of it. He also doesn't seem to be a man of the people who likes a quick bacon butty when peckish, although my apologies to his team if that is, in fact, the case.Pulpstar said:
Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.JohnLilburne said:On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.
I have many reasons to dislike Gordon Brown but his prefixing of unnecessary 'pre's is right up there. Pre-prepared is probably the worst, given that it already has one pre in there to start with.0 -
Hmm. Oddly, there was no fold obscuring UKIP on my ballot paper. I was expecting an origami ordeal to see the full list.0
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I know, but it's fun to wind up the Kippers.Ishmael_X said:
Candidates for all the major parties behave exactly like that all the time; it's just that the media don't report it.TheScreamingEagles said:What was it that Dave said about UKIP?
A UKIP candidate is today being investigated by party chiefs over a string of comments left on Facebook.
Liz Mahon, who is standing for the party in Garrison ward, Preston Council, made posts hailing Enoch Powell, criticising Nigel Farage for paying tribute to Nelson Mandela and calling halal food ‘sick evil satanic’.
The politician made a number of her posts on the Facebook pages of the far-right English Defence League and Britain First parties.
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/ukip-probes-preston-candidate-s-comments-on-facebook-1-66309460 -
Hope you are right Mark!MarkSenior said:
Three Rivers will not be a LD loss to NOC . New wards and boundaries sees the council reduced to 39 seats in 13 3 member wards . 7 are safe Lib Dem 3 safe conservative and 1 safe Labour . The other 2 wards are likely to be split Con/LD . Independent Guy Davies may be able to get back in normally safe Conservative Chorleywood North . My forecast for new council is LD 23 Con 12 or 13 Lab 3 Ind 0 or 1rogerh said:Final prediction on Council changes of control (Possibles rather than probable have question mark)
Lab Gains
Bristol from NOC
Swindon from CON
Croydon from CON
Harrow from NOC
Merton from NOC
Redbridge from NOC
Bradford from NOC
Calderdale from NOC
Kirklees from NOC
Stockport from NOC(?)
Walsall from NOC
Amber Valley from CON
Cambridge from LD
Crawley from CON
Tamworth frpm CON
Waveney from NOC
W Lancs from CON
Con Gains
Kingston from LD
Sutton from LD(?)
Winchester from NOC(?)
St Albans from NOC(?)
Purbeck from NOC(?)
Con losses to NOC
Basildon(?)
Basingstoke(?)
Lib Dem losses to NOC
Portsmouth
Three Rivers.
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From that quote, it's fine for him to tell someone, as long as he does it intentionally.Peter_the_Punter said:@Financier
"Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison."
I voted Labour in the Councils and LD in the Euros, Financier, but don't tell anybody.
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To be fair, a lot of the last government's planning was post-prepared.david_herdson said:I have many reasons to dislike Gordon Brown but his prefixing of unnecessary 'pre's is right up there. Pre-prepared is probably the worst, given that it already has one pre in there to start with.
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Well if thats the case, clearly the EC has no choice. However as was pointed out earlier, there’s good evidence to suggest that candidates whose names are at the top of the ballot paper do better than those much lower down.Carnyx said:
Westminster Pmt does indeed. Here is, for instance, the legislation for Scotland http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2999/pdfs/uksi_20102999_en.pdf refers.OblitusSumMe said:There was a recent report on UK Electoral Law, in which it notes that:
"Parliament enacted detailed prescriptive rules relating to electoral
administration and campaign conduct; "
The point being that the Electoral Commission is following the directions of Parliament. It is Parliament which has decreed the ballot papers should be in alphabetical order. It is Parliament which allows for a party description on the ballot paper.
There is a curious dispensation therein (pp 66-67) for parties to label themselves as Scottish on the ballot paper when it is not part of their formal name (the SNP did not need it for obvious reasons).
" (3) The name of the registered party authorised by the nominating officer in accordance with paragraph (2) may be preceded (disregarding, for this purpose, the word “the” where it is the first word of the name) by the word “Scottish” if that word is not used in the name of the party registered under section 28 of the 2000 Political Parties Act. "
There was BBC magazine article recently on the subject:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-274263190 -
Betting advice: Steven Gerrard e/w @ 16/1 for SPOTY. It'll be Giggs all over again, with the chance of some World Cup heroics (or, failing that, defeat with honour) adding to his lustre.
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I've just remembered, it is likely that Sion Simon will become an MEP in the West Midlands.
The European Parliament is lucky to have a such a talented and perceptive person.
Here is an example of his scholarly work, from 2007.
'Shortly there will be an election, in which Labour will increase its majority'
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MikeK - Does it really matter?? They're hardly going to rig the ballot like I did for my Modern Studies (1) poll.0
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Mr. Herdson, you're spot on. Pre-prepared is a vile delinquent of a tautology.0
