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  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Another issue about the electoral commission. Surely the "An" shouldn't count for alphabetical order? Do they count the "The" for "The Conservative and Unionist Party"?

    An is an indefinite article, The is the definite article.
    Sure, but I believe both should be ignored for proper alphabeticalisation.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782

    rcs1000 said:

    Lennon said:

    @rcs1000 - BTW - Thanks for your donation to the Pirate Party cause the other day - we made the amount we were trying to crowd-fund, and suitably, the last donation to push us over the top was made in Bitcoin! :-)

    I'm embarrassed I failed to vote... I'd planned to be piratical...
    Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clowns
    If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    edited May 2014
    AveryLP said:

    Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.

    Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.
    I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054

    Why is AIFE not listed under I? Articles are usually ignored when alphabetising. Otherwise all the other parties would be listed under T for The

    They are, in 2009, Labour were listed as "The Labour Party" and were on the second half of the ballot paper. The Tories are always listed as "Conservative Party" or "Conservatives".
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Why is AIFE not listed under I? Articles are usually ignored when alphabetising. Otherwise all the other parties would be listed under T for The

    Not if they leave the "The" out when filling in their nomination forms!
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited May 2014
    Wikipedia agrees with me:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_articles#Effect_on_alphabetical_order

    So not only did the Electoral Commission decide a party with "UK Independence Now" should be allowed despite a party called "The UK Independence Party" already standing, they also put the former at the top of the list in a manner inconsistent with traditional grammar rules.

    There are two big decisions to go: whether UKIP are more of a "major" party than a party lower in the polls, and whether UKIP are allowed in the general election debates. If those both go against UKIP we will have confirmation of a very strong anti-UKIP bias.

    EDIT: Apparently the Electoral Commission always include the article for alphabetizing. So they're just incompetent rather than malicious in this case.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    Smarmeron said:

    @Carnyx

    "And if anyone had Trojan heritage it was allegedly (a) the Scottish royal family"

    Which Scottish royal family?

    The one headed by Edward Longshanks onwards! I did say 'allegedly' ... The English crown claimed Brutus's ancestry and therefore dominion over Britain as a whole, and the Scots responded by claiming descent from the Greeks ... not an expert in this field, but this gives some flavour (plus what others have remarked here today).

    http://www.boydellandbrewer.com/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=14374



  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Socrates said:

    Wikipedia agrees with me:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_articles#Effect_on_alphabetical_order

    So not only did the Electoral Commission decide a party with "UK Independence Now" should be allowed despite a party called "The UK Independence Party" already standing, they also put the former at the top of the list in a manner inconsistent with traditional rules.

    There are two big decisions to go: whether UKIP are more of a "major" party than a party lower in the polls, and whether UKIP are allowed in the general election debates. If those both go against UKIP we will have confirmation of a very strong anti-UKIP bias.

    Give me five mins, and Wikipedia will soon disagree with you.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Lennon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Lennon said:

    @rcs1000 - BTW - Thanks for your donation to the Pirate Party cause the other day - we made the amount we were trying to crowd-fund, and suitably, the last donation to push us over the top was made in Bitcoin! :-)

    I'm embarrassed I failed to vote... I'd planned to be piratical...
    Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clowns
    If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.
    I always associate it with "The Pirate bay", which is advertising yourselves at the moment.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    Have just cast my ballot. Polling station dead, LOL.

    Prospective Kipper council candidate standing outside the polling station though (no sign of other local election candidates)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054

    AveryLP said:

    Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.

    Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.
    I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.

    FYI, Dolphin sell unanonymised user data to Russian companies linked with gangsters. If you don't like Chrome try Boat Browser or, if you are lucky enough, the stock Android Browser which will be called "Internet" or "Browser".
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited May 2014
    Socrates said:

    Wikipedia agrees with me:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_articles#Effect_on_alphabetical_order

    So not only did the Electoral Commission decide a party with "UK Independence Now" should be allowed despite a party called "The UK Independence Party" already standing, they also put the former at the top of the list in a manner inconsistent with traditional grammar rules.

    There are two big decisions to go: whether UKIP are more of a "major" party than a party lower in the polls, and whether UKIP are allowed in the general election debates. If those both go against UKIP we will have confirmation of a very strong anti-UKIP bias.

    EDIT: Apparently the Electoral Commission always include the article for alphabetizing. So they're just incompetent rather than malicious in this case.

    Tin foil hat time.

    Next, the EC will be accused of using HAARP to alter completed ballot papers.

    (5th voter at 8.40 in rural Surrey, those previous being Another Watcher, and 3 others. Sorely tempted by the Roman).
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    "... in Brussels, even mid-ranking administrators can take home more cash than the Prime Minister. The leaked papers show that EU officials in the “AD 11” grade, a middle management group, have gross earnings of £112,090, including expatriation and household allowances. But because they pay just 13.4 per cent in tax, they take home £83,357 in net pay."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10847979/10000-European-Union-officials-better-paid-than-David-Cameron.html

    Less of a gravy train and more of a gravy faster-than-light rocket ship.

    To boldly ladle where no man has ladled before
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    2 Greens on my Facebook.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    2 Greens on my Facebook.

    And I'm still rolling along?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    Lennon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Lennon said:

    @rcs1000 - BTW - Thanks for your donation to the Pirate Party cause the other day - we made the amount we were trying to crowd-fund, and suitably, the last donation to push us over the top was made in Bitcoin! :-)

    I'm embarrassed I failed to vote... I'd planned to be piratical...
    Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clowns
    If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.
    Do you have a presence in Somalia?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    AIFE wasn't at the top of my ballot paper it was 4EPP

    If that's true in many places surely it negates the threat?
  • Morning all.
    Have just returned from voting in Parkfield ward and was a little surprised to find 2 other people in front of me. Have split my vote this time, CON for local and UKIP for Euro.

    Re the comments upthread about Portillo. A mate of mine is a cabbie and has said to me in the past that MP is the worst by far of any of the famous / well known people that he has had in his cab in terms of arrogance, rudeness and general don't you know who I am etc
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.

    Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    MaxPB said:

    AveryLP said:

    Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.

    Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.
    I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.

    FYI, Dolphin sell unanonymised user data to Russian companies linked with gangsters. If you don't like Chrome try Boat Browser or, if you are lucky enough, the stock Android Browser which will be called "Internet" or "Browser".
    The stock browser is a sort of stripped-down Chrome which doesn't sync with my home favourites. But will play Flash. Both tend to reload pages if you switch tabs or between apps which is a pain in the a*se if you have a poor connection. Sometimes I would like to be able to cache a thread and read it on the train for example. Thanks for the heads up on Dolphin, I will try Boat.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.

    Not in the least odd for you to feel that way, I think. I was also surprised and indeed disconcerted by the return of the Jewish heritage issue to UK politics with Mr M's remarks a few weeks ago vis a vis Disraeli (and not the One Nation thing either), and now this bacon roll stuff.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Carnyx said:



    Smarmeron said:

    @Carnyx

    "And if anyone had Trojan heritage it was allegedly (a) the Scottish royal family"

    Which Scottish royal family?

    The one headed by Edward Longshanks onwards! I did say 'allegedly' ... The English crown claimed Brutus's ancestry and therefore dominion over Britain as a whole, and the Scots responded by claiming descent from the Greeks ... not an expert in this field, but this gives some flavour (plus what others have remarked here today).

    http://www.boydellandbrewer.com/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=14374



    Thought it was the Welsh who were descended from emigre Trojans under Brutus? Allegedly!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,167
    isam said:

    AIFE wasn't at the top of my ballot paper it was 4EPP

    If that's true in many places surely it negates the threat?

    4EPP are only standing in 1 region (I think).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    2 Greens on my Facebook.

    And I'm still rolling along?
    You don't seem to be on Facebook ^_~ (Yes I do know who you are :P )
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    Pulpstar said:

    On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.

    Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.
    Edward Miliband does not look the sort to eat BEER CAN sandwiches (Jamaican pronunciation) ,not because he is Jewish but because he looks like he could be a veggie. I admire him a little more for eating one I must say
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Back from casting my vote upon the waters. The funny thing that OGH may be interested in, is that in Richmond, An Alternative to Europe was not at top of ballot: it came second to 4 Freedoms. LOL
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    It's been a fascinating election here in Newham and one not without a touch of controversy. The Conservatives in 2010 were strongly organised in the Tamil community but this time it seems more like Muslim businessmen are to the fore. The shops have election posters and the houses don't which is curious.

    The Muslim-owned stores are solidly Tory while the Tamil-owned businesses are more Lib Dem. I've not seen this "leaflet" which has caused so much furore though ConservativeHome have raised issues about one of the Conservative candidates and some of his more extreme pro-Muslim utterings.

    As I've said, the CPA will be challenging in Canning Town, the Tories will be hoping for something in Royal Docks and perhspa one of the Green Street Wards while the LDs are not completely without hope in East Ham North and Central.

    As a market maker, I'd have the spread on Labour seats at 57-58 and the spread on all other parties at 0-1.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    AIFE wasn't at the top of my ballot paper it was 4EPP

    If that's true in many places surely it negates the threat?

    4EPP are only standing in 1 region (I think).
    Oh right... Well it stopped me voting for the wrong party anyway!!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    2 Greens on my Facebook.

    And I'm still rolling along?
    You don't seem to be on Facebook ^_~ (Yes I do know who you are :P )
    No I'm not on Facebook. I went on it for a while, then realised that it was an IQ-depressant, so came off again.

    I am on Linkedin, though I'm not really sure why.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    Pulpstar said:

    On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.

    Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.
    I assume anything done by a party leader the day before an election is pre-planned. And he obviously doesn't do it very often as he made a bit of a mess of it. He also doesn't seem to be a man of the people who likes a quick bacon butty when peckish, although my apologies to his team if that is, in fact, the case.

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    There was a recent report on UK Electoral Law, in which it notes that:

    "Parliament enacted detailed prescriptive rules relating to electoral
    administration and campaign conduct; "


    The point being that the Electoral Commission is following the directions of Parliament. It is Parliament which has decreed the ballot papers should be in alphabetical order. It is Parliament which allows for a party description on the ballot paper.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Oh there were 4 people leaving the polling station and 4 in there... Mostly OAPs but one schoolgirl!
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.

    Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.

    The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.

    Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited May 2014
    Vote cast, for St Dave and the renegotiationists. Polling station quiet, however a few suspiciously well dressed men entered shortly after me, given their age and chronic anger I imagine it's a Kipper landslide in Broadland. Polling clerk noted my address and hilariously asked me to take her down a glass of Pimms and Lemonade for the afternoon. I thought only if I can stand outside with a cudgel and beat any stray lefties who haven't been kettled in the city. J/k lefties ;-)

    Anecdote time. my father has just arrived and I asked if he would be voting (fearing a UKIP defection), he 'won't be voting for an illegal institution, it's not what I voted for in 1973' etc.

    And final anecdotal evidence for the day. At my parents yesterday tea time, they live in a traditionally extremely Lib Dem ward, usually plastered at election time with orange diamonds. Not a single one on display in the area. Based on that alone, I confidently predict the Lib Dems will come fifth and struggle to get more than one or maybe two MEPs. They are, as the saying goes, done.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564

    Lennon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Lennon said:

    @rcs1000 - BTW - Thanks for your donation to the Pirate Party cause the other day - we made the amount we were trying to crowd-fund, and suitably, the last donation to push us over the top was made in Bitcoin! :-)

    I'm embarrassed I failed to vote... I'd planned to be piratical...
    Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clowns
    If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.
    Do you have a presence in Somalia?
    Lol!

    Keeping dry in Nottingham so far - voting seems steady.
  • AJKAJK Posts: 20
    If Labour do badly, the grandees of the party are going to have to move quickly. They need to tell Ed he's not up to it NOW. Do an Australian Labor Party coup, and get Yvette or someone else in. Doomed if they don't.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Carnyx said:



    Smarmeron said:

    @Carnyx

    "And if anyone had Trojan heritage it was allegedly (a) the Scottish royal family"

    Which Scottish royal family?

    The one headed by Edward Longshanks onwards! I did say 'allegedly' ... The English crown claimed Brutus's ancestry and therefore dominion over Britain as a whole, and the Scots responded by claiming descent from the Greeks ... not an expert in this field, but this gives some flavour (plus what others have remarked here today).

    http://www.boydellandbrewer.com/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=14374



    Thought it was the Welsh who were descended from emigre Trojans under Brutus? Allegedly!
    Seems to have been one prince each for the Scots, Welsh and English with the latter allegedly dominant as a result! I hesitate to get too involved, because of all the cod-Arthurian stuff, but Geoffrey of Monmouth (who really was producing political propaganda) put forward this sort of thing, see

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DGRrF0CV8BYC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=brutus+scotland+geoffrey&source=bl&ots=AKMNbkU0No&sig=wtXTQJ4jMpMSSP7GIh8Uh1D9vI4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aMp9U9vZNpSO7Abp0YGwBQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=brutus scotland geoffrey&f=false

  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited May 2014
    Financier said:

    A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.

    Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.

    The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.

    Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392

    The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    At first glance my ballot paper didn't even seem to have UKIP on - it had more than a dozen parties and the paper hadn't folded completely out when I opened it.

    Polling station was ticking over, which is good, considering it was 10.45AM and turnout in local elections here is around 20%.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    @Financier

    "Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison."

    I voted Labour in the Councils and LD in the Euros, Financier, but don't tell anybody.

    Voting seemed quite brisk here in leafy Wanstead, but then the locals in Churchill's former parish tend to be quite keen on that sort of thing.

    The EU ballot paper is amazingly long but frankly anybody who votes for the wrong team by mistake deserves to be banned from voting for the next five elections.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    antifrank said:

    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.

    Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Football365 forum is conducting a voodoo poll into how its forummers have voted. The Greens are currently top on 35% of the vote.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Carnyx said:

    On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.

    Not in the least odd for you to feel that way, I think. I was also surprised and indeed disconcerted by the return of the Jewish heritage issue to UK politics with Mr M's remarks a few weeks ago vis a vis Disraeli (and not the One Nation thing either), and now this bacon roll stuff.
    Miliband himself is a self-declared atheist, a Jew primarily in the ethnic sense. His bacon-eating is neither here nor there. The only issue is how Ed distinguishes himself from Disraeli, a Jew by birth who converted to Christianity while still a child. The cases was made that Disraeli had repudiated his heritage, whereas Ed embraced it, but I'm not convinced.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Pulpstar said:

    On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.

    Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.
    I assume anything done by a party leader the day before an election is pre-planned. And he obviously doesn't do it very often as he made a bit of a mess of it. He also doesn't seem to be a man of the people who likes a quick bacon butty when peckish, although my apologies to his team if that is, in fact, the case.

    It's the bacon and flowers strategy, shoring up the pig farming hippy vote.
    A key demographic.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.

    Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.
    You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Financier said:

    A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.

    Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.

    The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.

    Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392

    The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrr
    And yet they've overseen a dramatic rise in postal voting.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Lennon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Lennon said:

    @rcs1000 - BTW - Thanks for your donation to the Pirate Party cause the other day - we made the amount we were trying to crowd-fund, and suitably, the last donation to push us over the top was made in Bitcoin! :-)

    I'm embarrassed I failed to vote... I'd planned to be piratical...
    Just looked at the Pirate Party website and policies . So earnest and sensible , so why the name?1!!! Even me who follows politics and small parties to an unhealthy degree would see 'pirate party' and imagine an offshoot of the Monster Raving Looney party with people dressing up as Long John Silver rather than clowns
    If that was a genuine question - the linking with the International Pirate Movement (Currently have Pirate MEP's from Sweden) and history of the name. Generally we find it a positive rather than a negative once people overcome the initial hurdle.
    Do you have a presence in Somalia?
    Lol!

    Keeping dry in Nottingham so far - voting seems steady.
    Go on Nick, tell us how the last minute canvassing shows a marked surge to Labour which ties in with what your colleagues are reporting. You know you want to ;-) :-D
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited May 2014
    Obviously it is a plot against the Kippers.

    I'm off to the cinema to watch which has been released today, a film starring a 74 year old gay guy who converts a bunch of talented young people to commit evil because they are persecuted.

    My review of X Men : Days of Future Past will be posted on PB this evening.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited May 2014
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.

    Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.
    You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.
    Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Socrates said:

    Financier said:

    A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.

    Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.

    The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.

    Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392

    The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrr
    And yet they've overseen a dramatic rise in postal voting.
    Shoüld be banned for everyone except people with poor mobility. Everyone else can get their lazy arse to the polling booth.
  • Duncan Stott
    @DuncanStott Electoral Commission TOP TIP: improve turnout amongst younger voters by being killjoys over polling booth selfies

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.

    Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.
    You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.
    Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”
    The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark

    Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Grandiose said:

    At first glance my ballot paper didn't even seem to have UKIP on - it had more than a dozen parties and the paper hadn't folded completely out when I opened it.

    Polling station was ticking over, which is good, considering it was 10.45AM and turnout in local elections here is around 20%.

    How many times are your telling stations folding the ballots ?! When I went in it was unfolded, the chap who handed it to me folded it once across the middle.

    UKIP clearly visible with their £ logo...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.

    Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.
    You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.
    Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”
    The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark

    Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
    The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.

    The glare that could freeze mercury.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    Socrates said:

    Financier said:

    A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.

    Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.

    The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.

    Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392

    The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrr
    And yet they've overseen a dramatic rise in postal voting.
    Shoüld be banned for everyone except people with poor mobility. Everyone else can get their lazy arse to the polling booth.
    I tend to go on holiday in May so find postal voting extremely useful. But wonder if a system of in-person early voting like in the USA would be better.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Grandiose said:

    At first glance my ballot paper didn't even seem to have UKIP on - it had more than a dozen parties and the paper hadn't folded completely out when I opened it.

    Polling station was ticking over, which is good, considering it was 10.45AM and turnout in local elections here is around 20%.

    Actually my local polling station had the EU ballot already unrolled to give to voters. A pleasant surprise.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.

    The glare that could freeze mercury.

    Some more regularly than others, TSE!
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.

    Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.
    You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.
    Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”
    The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark

    Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
    The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.

    The glare that could freeze mercury.
    To be fair, he ought to tell her to suck it up and stop being such a fuddy duddy. None wants a celebration of a mans life to be a dirge of self-flagellation, well, except for political expediency
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.

    Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.
    You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.
    Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”
    The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark

    Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
    The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.

    The glare that could freeze mercury.
    To be fair, he ought to tell her to suck it up and stop being such a fuddy duddy. None wants a celebration of a mans life to be a dirge of self-flagellation, well, except for political expediency
    I doubt that Michelle Obama's displeasure was caused by lack of reverence.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Socrates said:

    Financier said:

    A warning for those image-conscious PBers who want to record a moment for posterity.

    Staff at polling stations have been told to stop people taking selfies - even though it is not against the law.

    The Electoral Commission fears the craze for taking self-portraits on phones and posting them on social media threatens the secrecy of the ballot.

    Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27486392

    The secrecy of the ballot...... Dur dur durrrrrrrrrrrrr
    And yet they've overseen a dramatic rise in postal voting.
    Shoüld be banned for everyone except people with poor mobility. Everyone else can get their lazy arse to the polling booth.
    I tend to go on holiday in May so find postal voting extremely useful. But wonder if a system of in-person early voting like in the USA would be better.

    Or vote at the embassy if abroad. Yeah' early voting if registered in time for holidaymakers
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054

    MaxPB said:

    AveryLP said:

    Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.

    Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.
    I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.

    FYI, Dolphin sell unanonymised user data to Russian companies linked with gangsters. If you don't like Chrome try Boat Browser or, if you are lucky enough, the stock Android Browser which will be called "Internet" or "Browser".
    The stock browser is a sort of stripped-down Chrome which doesn't sync with my home favourites. But will play Flash. Both tend to reload pages if you switch tabs or between apps which is a pain in the a*se if you have a poor connection. Sometimes I would like to be able to cache a thread and read it on the train for example. Thanks for the heads up on Dolphin, I will try Boat.

    Sadly the page reloading issue is not browser related but phone related. Essentially when you use your phone it stores everything in its RAM, but if you multi task then your current usage will push out old tasks from the memory cache. Essentially your phone has poor RAM management or not enough RAM. I would personally recommend the Xperia Z2 if you never want any page reloads as it gas a crapload of RAM and excellent memory management software.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    If Prime Ministers can take selfies at memorial services, it seems a shame not allow voters to take selfies performing their democratic duties.

    Foreign Prime Ministers take selfies at memorial services, which doesn't count.
    You're quite right. British Prime Ministers merely get within camerashot of the selfie.
    Of course, as you would expect of a gentleman: "“When a member of the Kinnock family asked me for a photograph, I thought it was only polite to say yes.”
    The best bit about that picture, to be fair, was Michelle Obama's face:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/14/helle-thorning-schmidt-selfie-mandela-denmark

    Poor Barack. He must have suffered that evening.
    The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.

    The glare that could freeze mercury.
    To be fair, he ought to tell her to suck it up and stop being such a fuddy duddy. None wants a celebration of a mans life to be a dirge of self-flagellation, well, except for political expediency
    I doubt that Michelle Obama's displeasure was caused by lack of reverence.
    Tight knickers?
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Pulpstar said:

    Grandiose said:

    At first glance my ballot paper didn't even seem to have UKIP on - it had more than a dozen parties and the paper hadn't folded completely out when I opened it.

    Polling station was ticking over, which is good, considering it was 10.45AM and turnout in local elections here is around 20%.

    How many times are your telling stations folding the ballots ?! When I went in it was unfolded, the chap who handed it to me folded it once across the middle.

    UKIP clearly visible with their £ logo...
    Twice, so it had four sections. (I had to then fold it a third time to put it in the ballot box!) The woman folded it in front of me. At the end of the day I did remedy the error and take at least a glance at all the parties; I wasn't suggesting it would have posed a UKIP voter must problem.

    (Also, the ballot was considerably bigger than the voting "booth"'s little table.)
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    rogerh said:

    Final prediction on Council changes of control (Possibles rather than probable have question mark)

    Lab Gains

    Bristol from NOC
    Swindon from CON
    Croydon from CON
    Harrow from NOC
    Merton from NOC
    Redbridge from NOC
    Bradford from NOC
    Calderdale from NOC
    Kirklees from NOC
    Stockport from NOC(?)
    Walsall from NOC
    Amber Valley from CON
    Cambridge from LD
    Crawley from CON
    Tamworth frpm CON
    Waveney from NOC
    W Lancs from CON

    Con Gains

    Kingston from LD
    Sutton from LD(?)
    Winchester from NOC(?)
    St Albans from NOC(?)
    Purbeck from NOC(?)

    Con losses to NOC

    Basildon(?)
    Basingstoke(?)

    Lib Dem losses to NOC

    Portsmouth
    Three Rivers.


    Three Rivers will not be a LD loss to NOC . New wards and boundaries sees the council reduced to 39 seats in 13 3 member wards . 7 are safe Lib Dem 3 safe conservative and 1 safe Labour . The other 2 wards are likely to be split Con/LD . Independent Guy Davies may be able to get back in normally safe Conservative Chorleywood North . My forecast for new council is LD 23 Con 12 or 13 Lab 3 Ind 0 or 1
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.

    The glare that could freeze mercury.

    Some more regularly than others, TSE!
    All hail the unwed. Our kissers is our joy and our freedom
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    There was a recent report on UK Electoral Law, in which it notes that:

    "Parliament enacted detailed prescriptive rules relating to electoral
    administration and campaign conduct; "


    The point being that the Electoral Commission is following the directions of Parliament. It is Parliament which has decreed the ballot papers should be in alphabetical order. It is Parliament which allows for a party description on the ballot paper.

    Westminster Pmt does indeed. Here is, for instance, the legislation for Scotland http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2999/pdfs/uksi_20102999_en.pdf refers.

    There is a curious dispensation therein (pp 66-67) for parties to label themselves as Scottish on the ballot paper when it is not part of their formal name (the SNP did not need it for obvious reasons).

    " (3) The name of the registered party authorised by the nominating officer in accordance with paragraph (2) may be preceded (disregarding, for this purpose, the word “the” where it is the first word of the name) by the word “Scottish” if that word is not used in the name of the party registered under section 28 of the 2000 Political Parties Act. "

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,167
    Here's a tip for the "Wear Valley Independents" (who won a seat in my ward last year) - why not stand as "An Independence from Durham" next time, and you might sweep the board?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Mr Bercow refused to accept Miss Watson’s resignation over the fiasco.

    Well Jenny Watson has at least gone up a little in my estimation. She may even be above Bercow now.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Here's a tip for the "Wear Valley Independents" (who won a seat in my ward last year) - why not stand as "An Independence from Durham" next time, and you might sweep the board?

    The SNP should have gone for "An Independence From England"; it would at least have demonstrated that they have a sense of humour.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    The glare every married man experiences on a regular basis.

    The glare that could freeze mercury.

    Some more regularly than others, TSE!
    Unsurprisingly I'm more regular than others.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Mr Bercow refused to accept Miss Watson’s resignation over the fiasco.

    Well Jenny Watson has at least gone up a little in my estimation. She may even be above Bercow now.
    That's a low blow
  • Daniel1922Daniel1922 Posts: 6
    Problem with early voting is that late breaking stories often break too late to matter, as happened in the Oregon Republican Senate primary this week.

    Anyway, don't see how anyone will care much if UKIP comes second over confusion except for UKIP. As Santorum learned in Iowa in 2012, there is no prize for 2nd place, no matter why you took it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Here's a tip for the "Wear Valley Independents" (who won a seat in my ward last year) - why not stand as "An Independence from Durham" next time, and you might sweep the board?

    The SNP should have gone for "An Independence From England"; it would at least have demonstrated that they have a sense of humour.
    There's something very interesting about the local ballot - but I don't want to comment on it till polling closes here as I don't know if it's legal to do so!

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    MaxPB said:

    AveryLP said:

    Was there a YouGov Westminster VI yesterday? There's nothing on their website and it's usually posted at 6am.

    Nick P posted the 2015 VI igures last night. IIRC Lab on 36% with a 3 point lead over Cons.
    I'm limited to my phone at the moment, so I keep missing stuff, decided not to bring the netbook as it eats into your 10kg hand luggage allowance. Must get a tablet. Have been trying Dolphin, it seems to be better than Chrome for some websites, and they have seemed to step back from making it really clunky and over-featured. But Chrome syncs with my home PC which is nice.

    FYI, Dolphin sell unanonymised user data to Russian companies linked with gangsters. If you don't like Chrome try Boat Browser or, if you are lucky enough, the stock Android Browser which will be called "Internet" or "Browser".
    The stock browser is a sort of stripped-down Chrome which doesn't sync with my home favourites. But will play Flash. Both tend to reload pages if you switch tabs or between apps which is a pain in the a*se if you have a poor connection. Sometimes I would like to be able to cache a thread and read it on the train for example. Thanks for the heads up on Dolphin, I will try Boat.

    Firefox has a "save as pdf" option which is v good for offline reading.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    You're such a tease Carnyx - you're on the premier uk politics blog - follow convention and post away!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    What was it that Dave said about UKIP?

    A UKIP candidate is today being investigated by party chiefs over a string of comments left on Facebook.

    Liz Mahon, who is standing for the party in Garrison ward, Preston Council, made posts hailing Enoch Powell, criticising Nigel Farage for paying tribute to Nelson Mandela and calling halal food ‘sick evil satanic’.

    The politician made a number of her posts on the Facebook pages of the far-right English Defence League and Britain First parties.

    http://www.lep.co.uk/news/ukip-probes-preston-candidate-s-comments-on-facebook-1-6630946
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Well here in Wales there was no An Independence From Europe on the ballot paper. Britain First 'Remember Lee Rigby' was top. Voting was, surprisingly, brisk. I was expecting to be the only person there, as usual, but three or four others were also in attendance. The rather large ballot papers requiring many folds seemed to be filling up the ballot boxes rather quickly.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Is You Gov vote share GB or UK as UKIP and the tories are both running candidates in Northern Ireland.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Can't vote as unexpectedly out of the country - who is winning ?
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    What was it that Dave said about UKIP?

    A UKIP candidate is today being investigated by party chiefs over a string of comments left on Facebook.

    Liz Mahon, who is standing for the party in Garrison ward, Preston Council, made posts hailing Enoch Powell, criticising Nigel Farage for paying tribute to Nelson Mandela and calling halal food ‘sick evil satanic’.

    The politician made a number of her posts on the Facebook pages of the far-right English Defence League and Britain First parties.

    http://www.lep.co.uk/news/ukip-probes-preston-candidate-s-comments-on-facebook-1-6630946

    Candidates for all the major parties behave exactly like that all the time; it's just that the media don't report it.

  • WelshBertieWelshBertie Posts: 124
    Well, I've been up to vote this morning, turnout seemed pretty decent. Not quite General Election Levels but busier than you'd expect in the morning, certainly busier than the last euros. No AIFE on the ballot here but I was disgusted at the sight of 'Britain First - Remember Lee Rigby' first up on the paper. How on earth the Electoral Commision allowed that I'll never know.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited May 2014
    TGOHF said:

    Can't vote as unexpectedly out of the country - who is winning ?

    UKIP mate. Hope you took your passport with you !
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    [Can't vote as unexpectedly out of the country - who is winning ?]

    Ed M - how can anyone vote for an anti-bacon butty party? Ed is Genius!!!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    Pulpstar said:

    On the Ed Milliband bacon sarnie... am I the only one who thinks that the Labour Party having a stunt where its leader, a (presumably non-observant) Jew, eats a bacon sandwich in public, is a tad disturbing? Just seems a bit odd to me.

    Was it a stunt, maybe he just wanted a bacon sandwich ! He's Jewish by ethnicity but his 'religion' is atheist.
    I assume anything done by a party leader the day before an election is pre-planned. And he obviously doesn't do it very often as he made a bit of a mess of it. He also doesn't seem to be a man of the people who likes a quick bacon butty when peckish, although my apologies to his team if that is, in fact, the case.

    What is "pre-planned", as opposed to just "planned"? Are we saying the stunt came before the planning? If so, wouldn't it just be "unplanned"?

    I have many reasons to dislike Gordon Brown but his prefixing of unnecessary 'pre's is right up there. Pre-prepared is probably the worst, given that it already has one pre in there to start with.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Hmm. Oddly, there was no fold obscuring UKIP on my ballot paper. I was expecting an origami ordeal to see the full list.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    A question.
    Who looks after (guards) the ballot papers while they are waiting to be counted for Sunday?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Ishmael_X said:

    What was it that Dave said about UKIP?

    A UKIP candidate is today being investigated by party chiefs over a string of comments left on Facebook.

    Liz Mahon, who is standing for the party in Garrison ward, Preston Council, made posts hailing Enoch Powell, criticising Nigel Farage for paying tribute to Nelson Mandela and calling halal food ‘sick evil satanic’.

    The politician made a number of her posts on the Facebook pages of the far-right English Defence League and Britain First parties.

    http://www.lep.co.uk/news/ukip-probes-preston-candidate-s-comments-on-facebook-1-6630946

    Candidates for all the major parties behave exactly like that all the time; it's just that the media don't report it.

    I know, but it's fun to wind up the Kippers.
  • rogerhrogerh Posts: 282

    rogerh said:

    Final prediction on Council changes of control (Possibles rather than probable have question mark)

    Lab Gains

    Bristol from NOC
    Swindon from CON
    Croydon from CON
    Harrow from NOC
    Merton from NOC
    Redbridge from NOC
    Bradford from NOC
    Calderdale from NOC
    Kirklees from NOC
    Stockport from NOC(?)
    Walsall from NOC
    Amber Valley from CON
    Cambridge from LD
    Crawley from CON
    Tamworth frpm CON
    Waveney from NOC
    W Lancs from CON

    Con Gains

    Kingston from LD
    Sutton from LD(?)
    Winchester from NOC(?)
    St Albans from NOC(?)
    Purbeck from NOC(?)

    Con losses to NOC

    Basildon(?)
    Basingstoke(?)

    Lib Dem losses to NOC

    Portsmouth
    Three Rivers.


    Three Rivers will not be a LD loss to NOC . New wards and boundaries sees the council reduced to 39 seats in 13 3 member wards . 7 are safe Lib Dem 3 safe conservative and 1 safe Labour . The other 2 wards are likely to be split Con/LD . Independent Guy Davies may be able to get back in normally safe Conservative Chorleywood North . My forecast for new council is LD 23 Con 12 or 13 Lab 3 Ind 0 or 1
    Hope you are right Mark!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    I've just written a strongly worded message on Britain First f-book page.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    @Financier

    "Anyone who inadvertently reveals how someone else votes in Thursday's local and European elections could face a £5,000 fine or six months in prison."

    I voted Labour in the Councils and LD in the Euros, Financier, but don't tell anybody.

    ...

    From that quote, it's fine for him to tell someone, as long as he does it intentionally.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    I have many reasons to dislike Gordon Brown but his prefixing of unnecessary 'pre's is right up there. Pre-prepared is probably the worst, given that it already has one pre in there to start with.

    To be fair, a lot of the last government's planning was post-prepared.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    edited May 2014
    Carnyx said:

    There was a recent report on UK Electoral Law, in which it notes that:

    "Parliament enacted detailed prescriptive rules relating to electoral
    administration and campaign conduct; "


    The point being that the Electoral Commission is following the directions of Parliament. It is Parliament which has decreed the ballot papers should be in alphabetical order. It is Parliament which allows for a party description on the ballot paper.

    Westminster Pmt does indeed. Here is, for instance, the legislation for Scotland http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2999/pdfs/uksi_20102999_en.pdf refers.

    There is a curious dispensation therein (pp 66-67) for parties to label themselves as Scottish on the ballot paper when it is not part of their formal name (the SNP did not need it for obvious reasons).

    " (3) The name of the registered party authorised by the nominating officer in accordance with paragraph (2) may be preceded (disregarding, for this purpose, the word “the” where it is the first word of the name) by the word “Scottish” if that word is not used in the name of the party registered under section 28 of the 2000 Political Parties Act. "

    Well if thats the case, clearly the EC has no choice. However as was pointed out earlier, there’s good evidence to suggest that candidates whose names are at the top of the ballot paper do better than those much lower down.

    There was BBC magazine article recently on the subject:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27426319
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Betting advice: Steven Gerrard e/w @ 16/1 for SPOTY. It'll be Giggs all over again, with the chance of some World Cup heroics (or, failing that, defeat with honour) adding to his lustre.

    Hamilton looks terrible value, given that (a) the sport is only half on BBC, (b) he doesn't pay his taxes and (c) he's black (unfortunately this is still very much an issue with phone votes).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    I've just remembered, it is likely that Sion Simon will become an MEP in the West Midlands.

    The European Parliament is lucky to have a such a talented and perceptive person.

    Here is an example of his scholarly work, from 2007.

    'Shortly there will be an election, in which Labour will increase its majority'

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    MikeK - Does it really matter?? They're hardly going to rig the ballot like I did for my Modern Studies (1) poll.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Herdson, you're spot on. Pre-prepared is a vile delinquent of a tautology.
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