This is the only place I hear the word woke, I’ve no idea what it means, this is the only place I hear discussions about trans rights, whatever they may be. The rest of the world is not interested.

CarlottaVance said:

Do not go to Hong Kong

Do not transit Hong Kong

Do not fly on Cathay Pacific

Article 38 This Law shall apply to offences under this Law committed against the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region from outside the Region by a person who is not a permanent resident of the Region.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-07/01/c_139178753.htm

An article that suggests they are very confident no one will do more than make a mild fuss, given it seems unnecessarily provocative to other nations even for them.

kle4 said:

Pulpstar said:

Looks like Terry Crews is the latest bod to offend the wokerati.

But I thought he was pretty woke himself?

People's front of Judea vs Judean people's front.

Foxy said:

Floater said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

williamglenn said:

LadyG said:

I also love this bit: "Africa during the Moor civilisation was well respected, with many conquests and contributions towards European culture"

Not only is this illiterate, it also references a period in time when people in north Africa - "the Moor civilisation" (sic) - were actually enslaving white Europeans, including Britons.

Many conquests? So conquest is a good thing?

I thought they used to involve slaughter, pillage and rape. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Moorish Andalusia was one of the great European cultural revivals, and very multicultural. In particular for European Jewry, until they were either expelled or forcibly converted after the Reconquista.

Not quite the utopia you describe I think foxy

This is what the BBC says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_1.shtml

The restrictions I believe were Dhimmi status and payment of the Jizya tax

Wikipedia says the following

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

Note the part about second class citizens

Oh certainly second class citizens, as indeed they were in Christian Europe too. The Jizya is an interesting one though. Obviously a tax on religious minorities, but also an exemption from things like military service.

Certainly Spanish Jewry flourished under the Moors in a way not seen again in Europe until the Shtetl of the Polish Commonwealth. The expulsion of Spanish Jews by the Spanish Christians particularly to the Ottoman empire led to communities that still speak a form of Spanish today. Heavily depleted by Nazi extermination in places like Thessaloniki, of course.

The last Jew in Spain is an excellent book covering that period with good insights into metal working and medicine as practiced at the time.

'US buys up world stock of key Covid-19 drug'

Ah the special relationship alive and well. Key partner, ally and soon to be food supplier. America first! America first! America first!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

Casino_Royale said:

Trump's campaign is getting better:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1278040506908446721?s=19

No Donald, it really is you we are after, don't kid yourself.

NEW THREAD

nichomar said:

This is the only place I hear the word woke, I’ve no idea what it means, this is the only place I hear discussions about trans rights, whatever they may be. The rest of the world is not interested.

Indeed. PB Tories are now as exercised by 'wokeness' (whatever that is) as they used to be by SJWs, virtue signalling, and the mortal dangers of increasing government borrowing.

OldKingCole said:

LadyG said:

williamglenn said:

LadyG said:

I also love this bit: "Africa during the Moor civilisation was well respected, with many conquests and contributions towards European culture"

Not only is this illiterate, it also references a period in time when people in north Africa - "the Moor civilisation" (sic) - were actually enslaving white Europeans, including Britons.

Many conquests? So conquest is a good thing?

Apparently so, as long as it is brown people conquering white people

I would be really happy to look a fool, if someone could show me that this is a hoax. It is so mind-warping.

However, under this thread there are several other people saying their schools have sent out similar stuff. So I fear it may be real

Given that white skin is, as far as the species is concerned, probably an aberration, the consequence of a lack of sunlight and hence an increased need to synthesise Vitamin D, some of this stuff is quite funny.

My skin is a sort of pink colour, but goes brown very rapidly. So much so that I'm sometimes 'suspected' of being Middle Eastern and to get pulled over for cross-questioning at airports.

It is your Welsh heritage! They say that the Celts descended from North Africa!

I wear my North African heritage with pride.

squareroot2 said:

Foxy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

BluestBlue said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1278033372338688001

You know, all that infrastructure investment is terribly expensive, and the Government is going to need to raise large sums of money to finance it ... why hello there, Channel 4 - how nice to see you...

Channel 4 is long overdue privatisation.

Once the Civil Service is reformed and the BBC is privatised that should be next.

Why smash statues when trashing our cultural bandwidth is so much more profitable?

Well The BBC is long overdue for a serious kick in the pants. I refuse to listen to its anti anyone who does not fit woke detailing. its getting serious. Fuck the licence fee.. let those who want to listen to that sort of shite pay.
There are others to listen to including the aforementioned Times Radio.

If they get rid of BBC4 .. what is left worth watching?

FWIW there would actually be no problem in it ditching BBC4, if they turned BBC2 back into what was originally intended - i.e. something very closely resembling BBC4. That would allow them to consolidate all the content into one channel and reduce the need to fill scheduled TV with repeats.

Simply corral all the lifestyle stuff - cookery, gardening, interiors - into the two hours from 6 til 8 during the week, and then from 8pm onwards it's BBC4. All eminently doable if they kill off Newsnight or stick it out of the way on the rolling news channel.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1278060788100538373

NYT recently had story comparing 13 possible Biden VP running mates. Yours truly rated them re: experience (good & bad), home state (battleground or not), progressiveism (in balancing Uncle Joe), diversity (Black or Latina a plus) and "other" for factors not included above.

For example, as to experience, gave US senators & governors points, but not congresswoman or mayors; in case of Susan Rice, I deducted a point because while her experience as NSA and UN Ambassador is significant, think bring up Libya, Syria and foreign policy in general is NOT.

When I added up the points, my top 3 choices ended up being

>> Stacey Abrams (GA US Senate candidate 2018) - low on experience (state legislature) but ran good US Senate race; from battleground state; very popular with progressives, Black which will hep with turnout, also an excellent speaker and debater

>> Michelle Lujan Grisham (NM Governor) - only been Gov a year but good marks so far; from battleground state, popular with progressives, only Latina under consideration (it appears) which helps in number of key state; westerner to balance out easterner Biden (note that New NM is WAY more "western" in cultural sense than Cali)

>> Tammy Duckworth (IL US Senator) - Iraq War veteran helicopter pilot who lost her legs after being shot down in combat; reasonably popular (with a few caveats) with progressives, only Asian American under consideration (her mother Thai, her father White American); gets under Trumpsky's skin

Checking around, but looks like I've lost Joe's number, and he's not called me in while (like never). SO maybe some eagle-eyed Biden staffer will see these words of wisdom and convey to Uncle Joe? Though personally am AOK with whomever he chooses - even Ivanka!

another_richard said:

StuartDickson said:

DavidL said:

StuartDickson said:

Charles said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Stuartinromford said:

Philip_Thompson said:

StuartDickson said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1277881558930776065

That narrative has been accepted in Scotland for weeks now, but it is only just beginning to be widely understood in England. Tory backbenchers are not going to be happy bunnies come the autumn.

What narrative?

Excess deaths have ended and besides Leicester we're coming out of lockdown and getting on with things. How does that fit your narrative?

Really stupid cartoon to be running on the day excess deaths figures are reported (from weeks ago) as being negative.

Difference is that Scotland really is at nearly zero deaths from Covid.

The English update is good news, but it's not zero Covid deaths; it's the number of Covid deaths is less than the variability in the baseline. England is getting there, but noticeably more slowly than many of our neighbours.

Scotland shouldn't be compared to England it should be compared to a region of England as that is comparing like-for-like in population areas.

Many regions of England are at or near zero COVID deaths.

Scotland has fewer ethnic minorities as well, and there does appear to be a genetic component

Excuses excuses.

Indeed. Its not like we are short of our quotient of fat smokers and drinkers with high levels of comorbidity.

Yes, I’ve now seen a long list of excuses why England is performing worse than Scotland, but there are actually a lot of reasons why Scotland *ought* to be performing worse than England, not least levels of heart/lung disease, low general fitness, poverty, obesity, diabetes and alcohol abuse. That we are not must partly be down to good governance, but also to high compliance among the populace. Folk respect the government and experts of Scotland in a way lacking down south.

I suspect Scotland got a smaller dose of virus to begin with.

In life there's always luck involved.

But a smaller dose of virus in the first wave would make Scotland more vulnerable if there are future waves.

Just as there are parts of England which are more vulnerable than others to a second wave.

Is that like being a little bit pregnant

Richard_Tyndall said:

You want it all to have been down to Farage because that suits your warped and quite deluded world view. You simply cannot accept that your side were beaten by a better campaign that did not rely upon xenophobia.

It relied on xenophobia. It was won on xenophobia. It has nowhere to go but xenophobia.

I know your personal views and preferences differ, but that does not change this essential truth.

Meanwhile Putin laughs. You're (all) on his side too.