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It says its OK to leave the home to avoid harm.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.
Being incapable of looking after a young child is harmful.0 -
I applaud the iconoclasm. <- 100% sincereCasino_Royale said:PS. No-one takes this "just one parent" - the stupidest of the stupid - rule seriously.
I don't. And I meeting both together today.
I wish I could do the same; I haven't seen my mother since my father's funeral in February. I don't give a fuck what happens to me. I've seen too much and should have been killed at least 4 or 5 times already but my mother is in great health for 81 and could easily have another 10-15 years of active, independent life if she dodges the Rona.0 -
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It's a complete coincidence - all they are interested in is the public good (which of course would involve no Brexit...)kyf_100 said:
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?contrarian said:
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.noneoftheabove said:
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
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But they were not incapable of looking after a young child.Philip_Thompson said:
It says its OK to leave the home to avoid harm.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.
Being incapable of looking after a young child is harmful.0 -
I'm sure you don't consider whatever tediously repetitive lefty wank you post to be trolling. If you don't like it, don't read.Gallowgate said:
I notice how your response to every bit of criticism is simply “who won the last election though?” You’re a troll and nothing more.BluestBlue said:
Bloody hell - Piers Morgan is as deluded about who won the last election as good old Jezza was.Scott_xP said:0 -
But Cummings was symptomatic for Covid-19 whereas Professor Lockdown had already had it and therefore had almost no chance of passing it on to his girlfriend (this is the basis of the whole herd immunity thing that PB Tories love so much). Professor Lockdown didn't even leave his house, let alone drive 350 miles up the M1. If Professor Lockdown had to resign, so does Cummings.DavidL said:
That's undeniably true. But is working for the government, as opposed to being Professor Lockdown, enough?Gallowgate said:
If wor Dom was a normal person, I would be totally fine with what he did on a moral level. I wouldn’t give two sh*ts. He’s not a normal person though, he works for the Government, who specifically implemented policies designed to STOP people doing this. This is a classic case of one rule for the plebs and another rule for the ruling class.DavidL said:
But if he and the child self isolated and his sister brought their food to the door, not entering, how did anyone get infected or even exposed?FF43 said:A key difference between the risks of dying from falling down the stairs and from Covid-19 is that falling down the stairs isn't contagious, while Covid-19 is highly infectious and deadly. Both risks should be managed but they are different.
To put the Covid-19 risk into context, a fatality rate of about 1% would result in a WW2 size death toll in months, if those risks aren't contained. Covid-19 is a deadly disease by any measure. I am in favour of managing those risks in an intelligent way. That might include allowing younger, fitter people to do more activities. I should point out that if the fatality rate of younger people is minimal, given IFR is an average figure, it means the death toll at higher ages is truly horrendous.
Which brings me to Cummings. The story is inaccurately reported, even by the Guardian that broke it. Cummings broke quarantine, not lockdown. He may have knowingly transmitted a deadly and highly contagious disease. Killing his own parents is between him and them. Transmitting the disease to the wider Durham community goes beyond carelessness.0 -
Your defence is at least as nakedly partisan as the attacks, though. And it doesn't really work because if the rule was important it should not have been broken, and if it was trivial then why the feck was it made?kyf_100 said:
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?contrarian said:
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.noneoftheabove said:
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
I highly doubt he visited Durham to take a tour of the cathedral, so what he did or didn't do was undoubtedly decided in the best interests of his family and young child and, if his grandparents were involved, with their consent.
This is not about what Dom did or didn't do to protect his family. It's about the people he's been running rings around - remainers and lefties - for years - finally seeing this as an opportunity for revenge.
Go nuts, people. Enjoy your revenge. But enjoy it for what it is. A brutal, tribal welp that one of your enemies has broken a trivial rule (no police action taken) and now you get to hop on the outrage bandwagon.1 -
Hence the important distinction between lockdown (of the seemingly healthy) while maintaining strict quarantine on the symptomatic.Casino_Royale said:
Lockdown doesn't exist anymore. Just who exactly is "locked down" ?Andy_Cooke said:
And how much extra tax are you willing to pay to exit lockdown sooner?another_richard said:
What should be polled is:HYUFD said:Voters relationships have improved but they have gained weight.
The government gets positive marks for reducing the spread and preventing the NHS being overwhelmed but negative marks for providing enough PPE and testing and on care homes.
Sunak, Raab, Boris and Hancock all get net positive marks but Hunt, Gove and Patel net negatives.
53% think the Government is reopening too fast, 30% about the right time, 11% too slowly
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8349223/Coronaphobia-grips-nation-Britons-fear-lockdown-eased-rapidly.html
How much extra tax are you willing to pay in order to stay under lockdown for longer ?
What we have is a phased re-opening plan, and social distancing in public.
If we are planning on abolishing the latter, that is not Sweden, it is Brazil or Belarus.2 -
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So every parent with a cough was entitled to move around the country to a family or friend of their choice during the strictest parts of lockdown? Really? How many more people would be dead if everyone had done this, it would be in the thousands.Philip_Thompson said:
It says its OK to leave the home to avoid harm.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.
Being incapable of looking after a young child is harmful.0 -
Maybe if Dom hadn't driven an outrageous 350 miles he wouldn't have ended up collapsing.Philip_Thompson said:
Nowhere in the second quote does it say they stayed in London. And if Dom did get so sick then presumably its good for the child/children they were somewhere they had access to childcare and support?Scott_xP said:0 -
That truly was the most surreal scene Monty Python ever made.Jonathan said:Where is the prime minister? Where is Dom? The scene inside Chequers...
https://youtu.be/1Uvt83YWWWY
Downright weird. What were they smoking..1 -
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Scandalous - whatever happened to good old smoke signals?Scott_xP said:0 -
Whose hand is that, supporting the weight of Cummings' gentleman's sausage?Scott_xP said:0 -
Absolutely right.Gallowgate said:What @HYUFD doesn’t get is that to most normal leavers, rather than internet frothers, Brexit is already done. They won, and now they have moved onto other things.
This is something that needs to be repeated on a regular basis so both sides stop using daft phrases like 'stopping Brexit'. It is this sort of thinking that is preventing us having a sensible attitude towards reasonable suggestions like extensions to the transition.
There may well be reasonable arguments to be had about the cost of extension in terms of additional payments to the EU but we can't have these discussions because all people want to talk about is 'betrayal' or 'another chance to stop Brexit'. It is the same childish mindset that poisoned the whole post referendum debate in the first place and put us in a far worse position than we might otherwise have been.2 -
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.3 -
"Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house."
Why would they be self-isolating in part of the house? Unless there was someone else living there at the same time?1 -
I don’t really care about Dom Cummings to be honest. What I do care about is the gross hypocrisy of some of the Government’s supporters over this.1
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Yes, that was a great story with a happy ending. Hidley's intervention was key.DougSeal said:
Ah! But how do you pronounce Tony Hadley?kinabalu said:
I foresee a Deal which is branded as a "Phased Divergence".Foxy said:
Nah. The pantomime negotiations are just for a domestic show. The whole cabinet was appointed because they were willing to go to No Deal Brexit. Indeed most are enthusiastic for it.kinabalu said:
Regardless of Cummings, there is IMO virtually no chance of a WTO Brexit. I predict an extension - perhaps dressed up as a "deal" for political cover.rottenborough said:Morning all,
If Cummings goes do we then get a Boris who is allowed to finally see sense and extended the transition?
Phase One to commence 1st Jan 2021. End of Free Movement and perhaps something on the Fish. A few other bits and pieces. All else pretty much the same.
Target date of 31st Dec 2021 to negotiate Phase Two - which will involve diverging in all areas where a compromise can be found between the EU's need to protect the Single Market and the UK's need to appear to be regaining sovereignty.
Phase Two will in practice lead to consolidated and permanent close alignment or will be further delayed using a similar presentational tactic.
I have analyzed the politics of the situation and the above sequence is what I can assure people will happen. I'm as sure of this as I am that the lead singer of Spandau Ballet was Tony Hedley.
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Agreed. And we shouldn't be abolishing the latter.Foxy said:
Hence the important distinction between lockdown (of the seemingly healthy) while maintaining strict quarantine on the symptomatic.Casino_Royale said:
Lockdown doesn't exist anymore. Just who exactly is "locked down" ?Andy_Cooke said:
And how much extra tax are you willing to pay to exit lockdown sooner?another_richard said:
What should be polled is:HYUFD said:Voters relationships have improved but they have gained weight.
The government gets positive marks for reducing the spread and preventing the NHS being overwhelmed but negative marks for providing enough PPE and testing and on care homes.
Sunak, Raab, Boris and Hancock all get net positive marks but Hunt, Gove and Patel net negatives.
53% think the Government is reopening too fast, 30% about the right time, 11% too slowly
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8349223/Coronaphobia-grips-nation-Britons-fear-lockdown-eased-rapidly.html
How much extra tax are you willing to pay in order to stay under lockdown for longer ?
What we have is a phased re-opening plan, and social distancing in public.
If we are planning on abolishing the latter, that is not Sweden, it is Brazil or Belarus.0 -
They weren't? What makes you say that? Are you their physician?Gallowgate said:
But they were not incapable of looking after a young child.Philip_Thompson said:
It says its OK to leave the home to avoid harm.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.
Being incapable of looking after a young child is harmful.
If one parent was incapacitated and the other parent was at very serious risk of being incapacitated too then why wouldn't they?1 -
Drive 350 miles to stay with parents who are over 70, should therefore be self-isolating and shouldn't be expected to live with people who are infected.Alistair said:
Maybe if Dom hadn't driven an outrageous 350 miles he wouldn't have ended up collapsing.Philip_Thompson said:
Nowhere in the second quote does it say they stayed in London. And if Dom did get so sick then presumably its good for the child/children they were somewhere they had access to childcare and support?Scott_xP said:0 -
I'm sorry about your father.Dura_Ace said:
I applaud the iconoclasm. <- 100% sincereCasino_Royale said:PS. No-one takes this "just one parent" - the stupidest of the stupid - rule seriously.
I don't. And I meeting both together today.
I wish I could do the same; I haven't seen my mother since my father's funeral in February. I don't give a fuck what happens to me. I've seen too much and should have been killed at least 4 or 5 times already but my mother is in great health for 81 and could easily have another 10-15 years of active, independent life if she dodges the Rona.</p>
I hope you could see your mother from 2m away, and you're allowed to do so.0 -
The Boris crush squad are wakening up and joining the impossible task of supporting the lying cheating scumbags.BluestBlue said:
Did he have a test that proved positive for coronavirus beforehand? Because unless he did, he broke fuck all not quarantine.Foxy said:
Dom didn't break lockdown, he broke quarantine.kyf_100 said:
The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.AlastairMeeks said:The ratio on this is huge:
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21
And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.
Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.
It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.
While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.
That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.
It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.
This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.
Lockdown is for the well, quarantine is for the sick.1 -
Not that different - its a bit more inner city than in 1979 and quite a bit more more than in the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s.ClippP said:
Very different boundaries in Bristol West.another_richard said:
Anyone know which constituencies had the biggest swings between 1979 and 2019 ?rottenborough said:1979 General Election is up and running on BBC Parliament
I'll go for Con to Lab, Hove and Lab to Con, Rother Valley.
I'll change the Con to Lab swing to Bristol West.
Several of the Conservative city seats of 1979 - Birmingham Edgbaston, Manchester Withington, Leeds NE, Sheffield Hallam - were quite inner city back then.0 -
Well, that Government statement has really put the story to bed.
Good job.
High Fives all round...0 -
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.0 -
So quarantine doesnt apply to parents!Philip_Thompson said:
They weren't? What makes you say that? Are you their physician?Gallowgate said:
But they were not incapable of looking after a young child.Philip_Thompson said:
It says its OK to leave the home to avoid harm.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.
Being incapable of looking after a young child is harmful.
If one parent was incapacitated and the other parent was at very serious risk of being incapacitated too then why wouldn't they?1 -
So you’re saying that everyone in the country could have driven 250 miles just in case they became incapacitated? You’re saying that James from Nuneaton would have been able to convince the police not to fine him for driving to Berwick just in case?Philip_Thompson said:
They weren't? What makes you say that? Are you their physician?Gallowgate said:
But they were not incapable of looking after a young child.Philip_Thompson said:
It says its OK to leave the home to avoid harm.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.
Being incapable of looking after a young child is harmful.
If one parent was incapacitated and the other parent was at very serious risk of being incapacitated too then why wouldn't they?0 -
You're suggesting he works for free?Casino_Royale said:Incidentally, I don't think it's much of a problem for Boris if Cumming does go.
He can still meet him and give advice behind the scenes, and a different CoS in No.10 might improve things anyway.0 -
Here’s the top rated comment on the story from that well known left hangout, Mail Online-BluestBlue said:
Precisely. A quick scan of the Twitter bios under Rupert Myers' shows that they consist of an FBPE lawyer, a lefty journalist, a lefty economist, and a semi-professional anti-Brexiteer, and so on.kyf_100 said:
The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.AlastairMeeks said:The ratio on this is huge:
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21
And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.
Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.
It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.
While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.
That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.
It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.
This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.
They would want Cummings sacked if he rolled over in bed.
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Dymtro Firtash.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whose hand is that, supporting the weight of Cummings' gentleman's sausage?Scott_xP said:0 -
This is the reaction of my northern leaver friends on Facebook too.DougSeal said:
Here’s the top rated comment on the story from that well known left hangout, Mail Online-BluestBlue said:
Precisely. A quick scan of the Twitter bios under Rupert Myers' shows that they consist of an FBPE lawyer, a lefty journalist, a lefty economist, and a semi-professional anti-Brexiteer, and so on.kyf_100 said:
The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.AlastairMeeks said:The ratio on this is huge:
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21
And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.
Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.
It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.
While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.
That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.
It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.
This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.
They would want Cummings sacked if he rolled over in bed.0 -
This is just nonsense. If the parents are incapacitated they should be in hospital. If they can drive 350 miles they can look after a kid. If they get worse, they can call emergency services who will sort it out for them.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.0 -
We can add wearing a scarf indoors to the list of Dom's sins.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Whose hand is that, supporting the weight of Cummings' gentleman's sausage?Scott_xP said:0 -
These clowns could murder your whole family and you would still be cheer leading for themPhilip_Thompson said:
Nowhere in the second quote does it say they stayed in London. And if Dom did get so sick then presumably its good for the child/children they were somewhere they had access to childcare and support?Scott_xP said:1 -
Taking children whose parents are ill and contagious to grandparents who should be self-isolating could equally cause a funeral.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.
Heck there is a similar case where there are demands for the person who infected someone else to be charged with murder.
You are dancing (badly) on semantics and once again show that you are unable to see how quickly your argument can be torn apart.
Equally it does seem that the Cummings have zero friends. Were we ill we have neighbours who would look after our children if need be and likewise in reverse.0 -
I was pretty ambivalent about the whole Big Dom situation - it thought it was vaguely embarrassing but thought nothing more of it last night. But the blizzard of brazenly incompetent lying to try and cover for him is fucking infuriating.
Treats us like fools.1 -
Perfectly put. A load of frothing from political opponents Dominic Cummings annihilated without breaking a sweat, who have toiled under years of impotent anger against him and now finally, finally see a chance for revenge - and even that relies on something Cummings did himself, not on anything they managed to achieve.kyf_100 said:
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?contrarian said:
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.noneoftheabove said:
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
I highly doubt he visited Durham to take a tour of the cathedral, so what he did or didn't do was undoubtedly decided in the best interests of his family and young child and, if his grandparents were involved, with their consent.
This is not about what Dom did or didn't do to protect his family. It's about the people he's been running rings around - remainers and lefties - for years - finally seeing this as an opportunity for revenge.
Go nuts, people. Enjoy your revenge. But enjoy it for what it is. A brutal, tribal welp that one of your enemies has broken a trivial rule (no police action taken) and now you get to hop on the outrage bandwagon.
Now that's sad
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And thank God for a government that doesn't govern based on daily headlines and other such pointless ephemera.DougSeal said:
Here’s the top rated comment on the story from that well known left hangout, Mail Online-BluestBlue said:
Precisely. A quick scan of the Twitter bios under Rupert Myers' shows that they consist of an FBPE lawyer, a lefty journalist, a lefty economist, and a semi-professional anti-Brexiteer, and so on.kyf_100 said:
The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.AlastairMeeks said:The ratio on this is huge:
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21
And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.
Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.
It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.
While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.
That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.
It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.
This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.
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Driving 350 miles can also cause a funeral. Indeed many if you’re too ill to drive.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.0 -
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It's the cover ups that kill you never the actual story.Alistair said:I was pretty ambivalent about the whole Big Dom situation - it thought it was vaguely embarrassing but thought nothing more of it last night. But the blizzard of brazenly incompetent lying to try and cover for him is fucking infuriating.
Treats us like fools.0 -
Idiot it says stay in your property and isolate when anyone in house has symptoms, engage whatever brain you have.Philip_Thompson said:
It says its OK to leave the home to avoid harm.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.
Being incapable of looking after a young child is harmful.0 -
Well, they're doing that on here.Scott_xP said:0 -
That's a very long way round to Durham......Alistair said:
Maybe if Dom hadn't driven an outrageous 350 miles he wouldn't have ended up collapsing.Philip_Thompson said:
Nowhere in the second quote does it say they stayed in London. And if Dom did get so sick then presumably its good for the child/children they were somewhere they had access to childcare and support?Scott_xP said:0 -
Yes, that well known political opponent of Dominic Cummings: Piers Morgan.BluestBlue said:
Perfectly put. A load of frothing from political opponents Dominic Cummings annihilated without breaking a sweat, who have toiled under years of impotent anger against him and now finally, finally see a chance for revenge - and even that relies on something Cummings did himself, not on anything they managed to achieve.kyf_100 said:
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?contrarian said:
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.noneoftheabove said:
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
I highly doubt he visited Durham to take a tour of the cathedral, so what he did or didn't do was undoubtedly decided in the best interests of his family and young child and, if his grandparents were involved, with their consent.
This is not about what Dom did or didn't do to protect his family. It's about the people he's been running rings around - remainers and lefties - for years - finally seeing this as an opportunity for revenge.
Go nuts, people. Enjoy your revenge. But enjoy it for what it is. A brutal, tribal welp that one of your enemies has broken a trivial rule (no police action taken) and now you get to hop on the outrage bandwagon.
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Except the story isn't that he was too ill to drive. The issue is that he drove after he knew what was coming and before it came. Its called thinking ahead.DougSeal said:
Driving 350 miles can also cause a funeral. Indeed many if you’re too ill to drive.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.0 -
The no10 machine has fired up. If only the government put a similar amount of enthusiasm into governing.
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London to Durham is 269 milesnoneoftheabove said:
350 miles.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.0 -
I think the 350 mile references are to Chillingham Castle - where his in-laws live I believe.0
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This drive keeps getting longer and longer......eek said:
Drive 350 miles to stay with parents who are over 70, should therefore be self-isolating and shouldn't be expected to live with people who are infected.Alistair said:
Maybe if Dom hadn't driven an outrageous 350 miles he wouldn't have ended up collapsing.Philip_Thompson said:
Nowhere in the second quote does it say they stayed in London. And if Dom did get so sick then presumably its good for the child/children they were somewhere they had access to childcare and support?Scott_xP said:0 -
Or ask his sister (or a more local friend/relation) to come down to London to help out. The whole excuse is a tissue of lies.noneoftheabove said:
This is just nonsense. If the parents are incapacitated they should be in hospital. If they can drive 350 miles they can look after a kid. If they get worse, they can call emergency services who will sort it out for them.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.
It really is as simple as: One rule for them, another for us.1 -
350 gross miles.CarlottaVance said:
That's a very long way round to Durham......Alistair said:
Maybe if Dom hadn't driven an outrageous 350 miles he wouldn't have ended up collapsing.Philip_Thompson said:
Nowhere in the second quote does it say they stayed in London. And if Dom did get so sick then presumably its good for the child/children they were somewhere they had access to childcare and support?Scott_xP said:0 -
Yet it was, I think, already well known that people who have caught tbe bug are infectious before they show symptoms.Philip_Thompson said:
Except the story isn't that he was too ill to drive. The issue is that he drove after he knew what was coming and before it came. Its called thinking ahead.DougSeal said:
Driving 350 miles can also cause a funeral. Indeed many if you’re too ill to drive.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.0 -
Aren't you allowed to do that in any case ?Scott_xP said:0 -
In breach of the law and other alternatives available.Philip_Thompson said:
Except the story isn't that he was too ill to drive. The issue is that he drove after he knew what was coming and before it came. Its called thinking ahead.DougSeal said:
Driving 350 miles can also cause a funeral. Indeed many if you’re too ill to drive.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.0 -
269 miles is the NET figureGallowgate said:I think the 350 mile references are to Chillingham Castle - where his in-laws live I believe.
350 is the true figure, obviously...0 -
Not if you go via Oxford first. Or round a roundabout a lot of times. So I am sticking with the 350 miles, apparently this is perfectly allowed when debating and not lying.Big_G_NorthWales said:
London to Durham is 269 milesnoneoftheabove said:
350 miles.Gallowgate said:
Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?Philip_Thompson said:
"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?Casino_Royale said:Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.
The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.
We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.1 -
Glad you expressed this sentiment because I can now do THIS -Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Affluent BAME woman with left wing views who opposes private schools puts love of her son above her politics and sends him to one. Let's call her Dorothy Arbuckle.
See?0 -
Indeed.Gallowgate said:
Yes, that well known political opponent of Dominic Cummings: Piers Morgan.BluestBlue said:
Perfectly put. A load of frothing from political opponents Dominic Cummings annihilated without breaking a sweat, who have toiled under years of impotent anger against him and now finally, finally see a chance for revenge - and even that relies on something Cummings did himself, not on anything they managed to achieve.kyf_100 said:
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?contrarian said:
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.noneoftheabove said:
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
I highly doubt he visited Durham to take a tour of the cathedral, so what he did or didn't do was undoubtedly decided in the best interests of his family and young child and, if his grandparents were involved, with their consent.
This is not about what Dom did or didn't do to protect his family. It's about the people he's been running rings around - remainers and lefties - for years - finally seeing this as an opportunity for revenge.
Go nuts, people. Enjoy your revenge. But enjoy it for what it is. A brutal, tribal welp that one of your enemies has broken a trivial rule (no police action taken) and now you get to hop on the outrage bandwagon.
Now that's sad
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who hates the government and would say or do anything to get a scalp.
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who put out fake claims against soldiers to sell papers.
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who engaged in phone hacking.
That Piers Morgan?3 -
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus.
It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place !
Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.1 -
I don't get why people are stressed as to whether he goes or not. So he goes. Big deal it's not as though he will be forbidden from advising the PM so that will continue.
As for his actions what on earth do people expect his excuse would be with willfully confusing guidelines/rules/laws.0 -
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The Guardian appear to have over egged their pudding. They claim the Police spoke to Cummings - the Police source does not support that. Has anyone proved he stayed with his parents rather than, as he claims near them?eek said:
Taking children whose parents are ill and contagious to grandparents who should be self-isolating could equally cause a funeral.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.
In their rush to "get Dom" the Guardian may have overcooked things.....1 -
Indeed. I don't criticise Diane Abbott for putting her children in the best school she can.kinabalu said:
Glad you expressed this sentiment because I can now do THIS -Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Affluent BAME woman with left wing views who opposes private schools puts love of her son above her politics and sends him to one. Let's call her Dorothy Arbuckle.
See?
I do criticise Diane Abbott for wanting to restrict others from doing the same.
I am a parent and as a parent my children come first. I expect the same of every other parent. Putting your children first is not against the law.0 -
Could we compromise on 350 kilometres?Scott_xP said:
269 miles is the NET figureGallowgate said:I think the 350 mile references are to Chillingham Castle - where his in-laws live I believe.
350 is the true figure, obviously...
Or 350 million millimetres?1 -
So every parent with symptoms actually should have been leaving their house to stay with others?Philip_Thompson said:
Except the story isn't that he was too ill to drive. The issue is that he drove after he knew what was coming and before it came. Its called thinking ahead.DougSeal said:
Driving 350 miles can also cause a funeral. Indeed many if you’re too ill to drive.Philip_Thompson said:
Missing funerals is tragic.DougSeal said:
Plenty of people love their children but have not breached the guidance. An old client of mine who lives in SW London (who called me as I was the only lawyer he knew - other than his dickhead divorce lawyer who wanted to charge for the advice) in floods of tears because he didn’t know whether he was allowed to visit his kids who live with his estranged wife and her second husband out on the Essex borders - a 30 min trip round the M25. Not my field but I spent about half an hour on the phone with him going through the guidance online and and, reassured, I believe he went through with the usual contact arrangements. But he didn’t know what the right thing was to do and there are plenty like him who are missing their kids right now because of this virus. And plenty more still who have looked after them while suffering from it.Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Thousands of people up and down the country have missed funerals of close family members. All have given up things at the behest of the government. Those people, parents or children, will not be forgiving of someone who so blithely took the law into his own hands.
Missing childcare can CAUSE a funeral.
There's a difference.
The ones who stayed put in quarantine were recklessly endangering their kids?
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https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1264130100116819968?s=20another_richard said:
Aren't you allowed to do that in any case ?Scott_xP said:1 -
Dom has been backed to stay. Now 4/9 and 13/8 at PP/Betfair (69%, 38%).DecrepiterJohnL said:
Now PP/Betfair have 4/7, 5/4. Ladbrokes unchanged at 1/2, 6/4.stjohn said:Odds have shifted.
Paddy Power and Betfair Sportsbook now go
1/2 Remain
6/4 Vote Leave.
All sounds a bit familiar.0 -
Pointless ephemera like public opinion? Novel approach. Look, I’ve just shown that this is a real issue beyond those you describe as “lefty journalists” so buckle up and deal with it rather than your pointless “look at the size of our majority” stuff.BluestBlue said:
And thank God for a government that doesn't govern based on daily headlines and other such pointless ephemera.DougSeal said:
Here’s the top rated comment on the story from that well known left hangout, Mail Online-BluestBlue said:
Precisely. A quick scan of the Twitter bios under Rupert Myers' shows that they consist of an FBPE lawyer, a lefty journalist, a lefty economist, and a semi-professional anti-Brexiteer, and so on.kyf_100 said:
The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.AlastairMeeks said:The ratio on this is huge:
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21
And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.
Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.
It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.
While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.
That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.
It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.
This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.
They would want Cummings sacked if he rolled over in bed.0 -
Ferguson was about having an affair.Pulpstar said:This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus.
It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place !
Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.0 -
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Surprised you fully support Dom, amazed in fact.CarlottaVance said:
It's a complete coincidence - all they are interested in is the public good (which of course would involve no Brexit...)kyf_100 said:
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?contrarian said:
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.noneoftheabove said:
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.0 -
No, it was just me making a really good joke that honestly should get a lot more traction on Twitter than just antifrank liking it.Gallowgate said:I think the 350 mile references are to Chillingham Castle - where his in-laws live I believe.
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So Dom didn't drive to Durham after all, and it was all made up by the Guardian? Is that what I'm hearing?0
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A Boris Johnson supporter who criticises others viewpoints purely for their unethical and borderline criminal behaviour needs to get out of the greenhouse.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed.Gallowgate said:
Yes, that well known political opponent of Dominic Cummings: Piers Morgan.BluestBlue said:
Perfectly put. A load of frothing from political opponents Dominic Cummings annihilated without breaking a sweat, who have toiled under years of impotent anger against him and now finally, finally see a chance for revenge - and even that relies on something Cummings did himself, not on anything they managed to achieve.kyf_100 said:
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?contrarian said:
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.noneoftheabove said:
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
I highly doubt he visited Durham to take a tour of the cathedral, so what he did or didn't do was undoubtedly decided in the best interests of his family and young child and, if his grandparents were involved, with their consent.
This is not about what Dom did or didn't do to protect his family. It's about the people he's been running rings around - remainers and lefties - for years - finally seeing this as an opportunity for revenge.
Go nuts, people. Enjoy your revenge. But enjoy it for what it is. A brutal, tribal welp that one of your enemies has broken a trivial rule (no police action taken) and now you get to hop on the outrage bandwagon.
Now that's sad
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who hates the government and would say or do anything to get a scalp.
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who put out fake claims against soldiers to sell papers.
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who engaged in phone hacking.
That Piers Morgan?0 -
You've shown nothing. If the Government decides that it isn't a real issue, then it isn't a real issue - it can simply wait the situation out until the news cycle moves on to something else, and its political opponents can do nothing against it.DougSeal said:
Pointless ephemera like public opinion? Novel approach. Look, I’ve just shown that this is a real issue beyond those you describe as “lefty journalists” so buckle up and deal with it rather than your pointless “look at the size of our majority” stuff.BluestBlue said:
And thank God for a government that doesn't govern based on daily headlines and other such pointless ephemera.DougSeal said:
Here’s the top rated comment on the story from that well known left hangout, Mail Online-BluestBlue said:
Precisely. A quick scan of the Twitter bios under Rupert Myers' shows that they consist of an FBPE lawyer, a lefty journalist, a lefty economist, and a semi-professional anti-Brexiteer, and so on.kyf_100 said:
The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.AlastairMeeks said:The ratio on this is huge:
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21
And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.
Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.
It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.
While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.
That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.
It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.
This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.
They would want Cummings sacked if he rolled over in bed.
That's the relevance of a big majority, and of real power. You can't wish it away, I'm afraid.1 -
Unusually poor header from David that demands a sacking without having to go into the messy explanation of 'why'.
It's true that Cummings drives certain people mad. Just look at the usual suspects masturbating themselves over a man caring for his family.
As for the charge of hypocrisy...I don't know anyone, family, friend or neighbour who has not visited their parents, albeit in their garden and from 2 metres. Let's not forget that Sturgeon visited her hairdresser's house during lockdown. Where were the howls of resignation then?
Meanwhile, back in the real world, I see another nationalist MP has been arrested, this time of the Welsh variety, on suspicion of assault.2 -
Chief and most proficient liar is wheeled out to lie through his teeth.rottenborough said:The wagons are being circled...
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/12641261087331860500 -
according to the advice, no, not in their garden and certainly not the house. Only in a park and one parent at a time.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1264130100116819968?s=20another_richard said:
Aren't you allowed to do that in any case ?Scott_xP said:0 -
Just found out I have been blocked on Twitter by Dom Raab.
The day is looking up
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He was probably claiming the mileage on expensesCarlottaVance said:
That's a very long way round to Durham......Alistair said:
Maybe if Dom hadn't driven an outrageous 350 miles he wouldn't have ended up collapsing.Philip_Thompson said:
Nowhere in the second quote does it say they stayed in London. And if Dom did get so sick then presumably its good for the child/children they were somewhere they had access to childcare and support?Scott_xP said:2 -
My biggest issue with this isn’t the spreading of the disease; it’s moving to another part of the country. Public services are based on the usually resident population so it was important for Londoners to stay where they were in case they needed to go to hospital.Pulpstar said:This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus.
It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place !
Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the?Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.0 -
Even the sad sacks are being roped out , getting really desperate now when they are down to activating the drongos.CharlieShark said:Unusually poor header from David that demands a sacking without having to go into the messy explanation of 'why'.
It's true that Cummings drives certain people mad. Just look at the usual suspects masturbating themselves over a man caring for his family.
As for the charge of hypocrisy...I don't know anyone, family, friend or neighbour who has not visited their parents, albeit in their garden and from 2 metres. Let's not forget that Sturgeon visited her hairdresser's house during lockdown. Where were the howls of resignation then?
Meanwhile, back in the real world, I see another nationalist MP has been arrested, this time of the Welsh variety, on suspicion of assault.0 -
That definitely explains the constant Government u-turns. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a good troll.BluestBlue said:
You've shown nothing. If the Government decides that it isn't a real issue, then it isn't a real issue - it can simply wait the situation out until the news cycle moves on to something else, and its political opponents can do nothing against it.DougSeal said:
Pointless ephemera like public opinion? Novel approach. Look, I’ve just shown that this is a real issue beyond those you describe as “lefty journalists” so buckle up and deal with it rather than your pointless “look at the size of our majority” stuff.BluestBlue said:
And thank God for a government that doesn't govern based on daily headlines and other such pointless ephemera.DougSeal said:
Here’s the top rated comment on the story from that well known left hangout, Mail Online-BluestBlue said:
Precisely. A quick scan of the Twitter bios under Rupert Myers' shows that they consist of an FBPE lawyer, a lefty journalist, a lefty economist, and a semi-professional anti-Brexiteer, and so on.kyf_100 said:
The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.AlastairMeeks said:The ratio on this is huge:
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21
And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.
Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.
It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.
While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.
That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.
It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.
This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.
They would want Cummings sacked if he rolled over in bed.
That's the relevance of a big majority, and of real power. You can't wish it away, I'm afraid.0 -
Ah, now I see it clearly.noneoftheabove said:
according to the advice, no, not in their garden and certainly not the house. Only in a park and one parent at a time.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1264130100116819968?s=20another_richard said:
Aren't you allowed to do that in any case ?Scott_xP said:
Dom has made all this up, leaked the whole thing to Mirror/Guardian as part of game theory plan to get everyone to give up on lockdown and get back to work & school.
Sometimes his brilliance is staggering.2 -
even agent Pish is wheeled out , down to the real dregs now.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I am not getting drawn on the Cummings thing as the facts seem to me to be unclear right now with the normal misrepresentations on both sides.kinabalu said:
Glad you expressed this sentiment because I can now do THIS -Philip_Thompson said:The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Affluent BAME woman with left wing views who opposes private schools puts love of her son above her politics and sends him to one. Let's call her Dorothy Arbuckle.
See?
But I do fancy a riposte to your Dorothy Arbuckle example
Affluent hard left politician who opposes private schools puts political beliefs above his own family and divorces wife because she decides son should go to a better school than the local sink comprehensive. Lets call him James Carbuncle.
Personally I can understand Dorothy's actions. Mr Carbuncle's on the other hand seem utterly inhuman and unforgiveable.0 -
In reality such nuances are either not understood or ignored.noneoftheabove said:
according to the advice, no, not in their garden and certainly not the house. Only in a park and one parent at a time.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1264130100116819968?s=20another_richard said:
Aren't you allowed to do that in any case ?Scott_xP said:
What people remember is the 2m distance and hand washing.0
