This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
according to the advice, no, not in their garden and certainly not the house. Only in a park and one parent at a time.
Ah, now I see it clearly.
Dom has made all this up, leaked the whole thing to Mirror/Guardian as part of game theory plan to get everyone to give up on lockdown and get back to work & school.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?
It's a complete coincidence - all they are interested in is the public good (which of course would involve no Brexit...)
Surprised you fully support Dom, amazed in fact.
I'm agnostic on the matter. He's not representing government policy to the public - so his breach/bending of the guidelines is not quite as bad as the earlier examples. What is clear is that a lot of people who blame Cummings for Brexit want him out - and that's whats motivating them now, not any concern over public policy.
Here’s the other issue. Why was he exposing his parents to this? It’s all very well loving your kids but you have to be a bit special to send them to live with your own parents having exposed them to the virus during a several hours long car trip. Or are we not supposed to care about parents anymore?
Unusually poor header from David that demands a sacking without having to go into the messy explanation of 'why'.
It's true that Cummings drives certain people mad. Just look at the usual suspects masturbating themselves over a man caring for his family.
As for the charge of hypocrisy...I don't know anyone, family, friend or neighbour who has not visited their parents, albeit in their garden and from 2 metres. Let's not forget that Sturgeon visited her hairdresser's house during lockdown. Where were the howls of resignation then?
Meanwhile, back in the real world, I see another nationalist MP has been arrested, this time of the Welsh variety, on suspicion of assault.
Merely shows you are a knuckle dragger and associate with same, meanwhile normal people follow the guidance and the rules made by Cummings and Boris.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
To be fair neither is having an affair as far as I know.
So, as the Lobby goes predictably nuts over a story that might have been significant if reported a month ago, but now looks more likely to be Bank Holiday Monday's chip wrappings, has anyone paused to consider what's not being reported today?
Priti Patel under fire from Tory MPs thanks to Nigel Farage's 'investigative journalism' in Kent?
UK-EU trade talks looking irredeemably broken, with no-deal exit at the end of the year now much more likely?
Row continuing over schools re-opening?
China's virtual annexation of Hong Kong's democracy?
Terrible economic news, company administrations (Hertz, Shearings) and the escalating costs of the whole situation?
Whole F1 season in doubt due to harsh UK quarantine rules? (Okay, maybe just me on that one).
The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?
I highly doubt he visited Durham to take a tour of the cathedral, so what he did or didn't do was undoubtedly decided in the best interests of his family and young child and, if his grandparents were involved, with their consent.
This is not about what Dom did or didn't do to protect his family. It's about the people he's been running rings around - remainers and lefties - for years - finally seeing this as an opportunity for revenge.
Go nuts, people. Enjoy your revenge. But enjoy it for what it is. A brutal, tribal welp that one of your enemies has broken a trivial rule (no police action taken) and now you get to hop on the outrage bandwagon.
Perfectly put. A load of frothing from political opponents Dominic Cummings annihilated without breaking a sweat, who have toiled under years of impotent anger against him and now finally, finally see a chance for revenge - and even that relies on something Cummings did himself, not on anything they managed to achieve.
Now that's sad
Yes, that well known political opponent of Dominic Cummings: Piers Morgan.
Indeed.
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who hates the government and would say or do anything to get a scalp.
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who put out fake claims against soldiers to sell papers.
Far left former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan who engaged in phone hacking.
That Piers Morgan?
A Boris Johnson supporter who criticises others viewpoints purely for their unethical and borderline criminal behaviour needs to get out of the greenhouse.
PhilipH has used lockdown to successfully transmute himself into PB’s #1 troll.
He is best ignored, his posts are drivel intended to bait readers.
Unusually poor header from David that demands a sacking without having to go into the messy explanation of 'why'.
It's true that Cummings drives certain people mad. Just look at the usual suspects masturbating themselves over a man caring for his family.
As for the charge of hypocrisy...I don't know anyone, family, friend or neighbour who has not visited their parents, albeit in their garden and from 2 metres. Let's not forget that Sturgeon visited her hairdresser's house during lockdown. Where were the howls of resignation then?
Meanwhile, back in the real world, I see another nationalist MP has been arrested, this time of the Welsh variety, on suspicion of assault.
Oh come off it, you're repeating porkies. Either that or 'visiting a house' is a new euphemism for 'DIY under video guidance online'.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
So, as the Lobby goes predictably nuts over a story that might have been significant if reported a month ago, but now looks more likely to be Bank Holiday Monday's chip wrappings, has anyone paused to consider what's not being reported today?
Priti Patel under fire from Tory MPs thanks to Nigel Farage's 'investigative journalism' in Kent?
UK-UK trade talks looking irredeemably broken, with no-deal exit at the end of the year now much more likely?
Row continuing over schools re-opening?
China's virtual annexation of Hong Kong's democracy?
Terrible economic news, company administrations (Hertz, Shearings) and the escalating costs of the whole situation?
Whole F1 season in doubt due to harsh UK quarantine rules? (Okay, maybe just me on that one).
The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?
Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.
There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.
That bit is completely made up, it seems.
It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?
It's a complete coincidence - all they are interested in is the public good (which of course would involve no Brexit...)
Surprised you fully support Dom, amazed in fact.
I'm agnostic on the matter. He's not representing government policy to the public - so his breach/bending of the guidelines is not quite as bad as the earlier examples. What is clear is that a lot of people who blame Cummings for Brexit want him out - and that's whats motivating them now, not any concern over public policy.
He is the key link between SAGE and the cabinet? How on earth is not representing government advice? He doesnt have to be on tv to do that.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
To be fair neither is having an affair as far as I know.
Fair point I misphrased that.
Leaving the house is illegal unless it's for a reasonable reason. To have an affair isn't a reasonable reason, to care for children is a reasonable reason.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Except it isn’t. You have symptoms, you stay home. It’s that simple. You’re really demonstrating your naked partisanship and gross hypocrisy here.
Here’s the other issue. Why was he exposing his parents to this? It’s all very well loving your kids but you have to be a bit special to send them to live with your own parents having exposed them to the virus during a several hours long car trip. Or are we not supposed to care about parents anymore?
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Yup, two adults without symptoms who have been distancing for a few weeks can sensibly meet in private. The rules were ridiculous and still are. Personally I don't care about Dom and on balance he should probably resign but if he doesn't I'm not bothered either.
The most ardent supporters of the continued lockdown are people who live in houses with gardens and have a family. As I've said many times, I'm extremely lucky to live in a flat with a large BBQ compatible balcony and have a very patient and understanding wife. Loads of my friends aren't that lucky and are stuck in shared houses with people they didn't know until this all started or worse all alone with no physical human contact for months.
I actually think of the two transgressions I'm more able to forgive the bonking professor than Dom, but neither are particularly bothersome.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Except it isn’t. You have symptoms, you stay home. It’s that simple. You’re really demonstrating your naked partisanship and gross hypocrisy here.
I'm a parent. If I was worried for my children's safety I would do whatever it takes. I won't criticise any person of any party colour for doing the same.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining for themselves what it all means.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Glad you expressed this sentiment because I can now do THIS -
Affluent BAME woman with left wing views who opposes private schools puts love of her son above her politics and sends him to one. Let's call her Dorothy Arbuckle.
See?
I am not getting drawn on the Cummings thing as the facts seem to me to be unclear right now with the normal misrepresentations on both sides.
But I do fancy a riposte to your Dorothy Arbuckle example
Affluent hard left politician who opposes private schools puts political beliefs above his own family and divorces wife because she decides son should go to a better school than the local sink comprehensive. Lets call him James Carbuncle.
Personally I can understand Dorothy's actions. Mr Carbuncle's on the other hand seem utterly inhuman and unforgiveable.
Not really a riposte since I agree (if he really did split from his wife over it) that JC does not emerge well there. Looks a zealot.
DA, for me, would be a hypocrite if she both sends her child to a private school AND criticizes others for doing same. That she merely opposes the existence of private schools and uses one is not hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is "do as I say not as I do". Arguing that there should not be an option to go private is not the same as criticizing people for using the option. The first is not hypocrisy, the second is.
As for DC and lockdown. He (effectively) told people not to travel and then he himself did. This is slam dunk hypocrisy. Which IMO is not a major sin at all, most people are prone to it to varying degrees, but he is without a shadow of a doubt guilty as charged.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
What could Boris and Dom try to get away with which is over the line as far as you are concerned? After reading your many posts/replies for 6 months I am having trouble locating your "limit".
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining what reasonable means.
I believe in treating people like adults.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Except it isn’t. You have symptoms, you stay home. It’s that simple. You’re really demonstrating your naked partisanship and gross hypocrisy here.
I'm a parent. If I was worried for my children's safety I would do whatever it takes. I won't criticise any person of any party colour for doing the same.
He broke the guidelines. He might have done it for noble reasons (I doubt that though), but he still broke them. Thus he is a hypocrite—one rule for the plebs, another for us.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
What? He couldn't stay in London and care for his child?
He had to go to county Durham instead, where the only extra help he could get was someone dropping food outside his door.
Dominic Cummings couldn't find anyone in the metropolis to drop food outside his door? Couldn't his friend Boris, the Prime Minuster, have arranged it?
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
Nice to have a bit of political knockabout to distract us from the 60,000 corpses.
I guess Bozo can delay Cumstain's sacking and use it to distract from the U-turn on schools later in the week.
Yes - this is very much a Westminster issue - I shouldn't think 80% of the population have even heard of Cummings before. Most people will feel mildly indignant but then move on. Like Corbyn (famously reluctant to put the knife into individuals at PMQs) I feel a bit uneasy at how readily we all jump on people we don't like for political reasons.
The difference from the forced U-turn over foreign care workers is that even people who dislike having a lot of foreigners around are grateful for the work done by carers in the current situation and quite likely know someone who has benefited. People like being pandered to a bit. But the idea that foreign carers should pay twice for their own care (through taxation and a special levy) struck most people as a pander too far.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining what reasonable means.
I believe in treating people like adults.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
They can think for themselves, and then receive a £60 fine from the feds.
As for the charge of hypocrisy...I don't know anyone, family, friend or neighbour who has not visited their parents, albeit in their garden and from 2 metres. Let's not forget that Sturgeon visited her hairdresser's house during lockdown. Where were the howls of resignation then?
Yes, but as I have pointed out a couple of times, this wasn't a breach of lockdown, it was a breach of quarantine.
Do you know any Covid 19 symptomatic people, with a history of direct contact with confirmed cases, who went to visit and stay with their parents?
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Except it isn’t. You have symptoms, you stay home. It’s that simple. You’re really demonstrating your naked partisanship and gross hypocrisy here.
I'm a parent. If I was worried for my children's safety I would do whatever it takes. I won't criticise any person of any party colour for doing the same.
He broke the guidelines. He might have done it for noble reasons (I doubt that though), but he still broke them. Thus he is a hypocrite—one rule for the plebs, another for us.
Police Chief on Sky just said the rules weren't broken.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
If cummings and his wife were seriously ill, and could not look after their child, then who should have?
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
What? He couldn't stay in London and care for his child?
He had to go to county Durham instead, where the only extra help he could get was someone dropping food outside his door.
Dominic Cummings couldn't find anyone in the metropolis to drop food outside his door? Couldn't his friend Boris, the Prime Minuster, have arranged it?
Risible.
I live v close to Cummings. You can get almost anything on Deliveroo.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining what reasonable means.
I believe in treating people like adults.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes. Indeed. And what if it was really really important that you go off to shag your mistress.
You get to be the person who determines the relative importance of every activity?
even agent Pish is wheeled out , down to the real dregs now.
Do you think the PM should resign?
Was the Fat Crofter right to demand it?
Was he right to delete that tweet?
Cummings should have been toast when the fat Bozo found out more than a month ago. Blackford is a windbag but he has easy targets in those lying toerags. Agent Pish si just a Tory troll , only ever appears when the Tories are in hiding in Scotland and they need squirrels aplenty to deflect. PS: given Bozo hardly does a day a week would we notice if he resigned
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Bollocks. What about the kids of the people he was exposed to?
Stealing money to care for your children is illegal (plenty of poor parents have done so) Murdering people to care for your children is illegal (there’s been more than one case of vigilante justice committed “for the kids”) Kidnapping your kids to care for them is illegal (happens all the time) Breaching the Coronavirus regulations, designed to protect everyone, to care for your kids is illegal (as has happened here)
There’s plenty of ways “caring for children” is illegal. “Think of the children”, the Maude Flanders defence, is not effective. You don’t get to expose everyone else’s kids to a potentially deadly virus for the sake of your own. How many immunocompromised people were potentially exposed at whatever service station they stopped at?
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
I've been saying think for yourself.
You’ve been defending every thing the Government has done without any degree of independent thought or critical thinking.
I live a block from Cummings. There were/are unlimited opportunities to remain fed during lockdown.
Apparently the press advisor he walks in with every day lives just two streets away.
It's making sure the kids are looked after, not food deliveries. If you had a very young child, your wife already had it and you were just in contact with two people who definitely have it what would you do? The people down the road are happy to bring you food, not sure they would be ok with looking after your kid though, changing nappies, feeding them, bathing them etc...
If my sister and brother-in-law both got it at the same time they already told us that we'd have to look after my niece and she's a one year old. The neighbours aren't going to do it and we live around an hour drive away. I think it is completely reasonable.
The lockdown was always supposed to be much stricter if you were sick. Our friends had it so we skipped out their horses for a week as well as our own. They didn't leave their house, even for essential animal care - they made other arrangements. They even looked after a young child whilst ill with 5 of them living in a 3 bed semi and absolubtely not leaving it for any reason whatsoever.
This line from the government - 'It's okay to break the lockdown if you think it's good for your kids' - is staggering. It turns adherence to the lockdown into a mere lifestyle choice. The government is destroying the very social and ethical foundations upon which the lockdown was predicated.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Except it isn’t. You have symptoms, you stay home. It’s that simple. You’re really demonstrating your naked partisanship and gross hypocrisy here.
I'm a parent. If I was worried for my children's safety I would do whatever it takes. I won't criticise any person of any party colour for doing the same.
He broke the guidelines. He might have done it for noble reasons (I doubt that though), but he still broke them. Thus he is a hypocrite—one rule for the plebs, another for us.
Police Chief on Sky just said the rules weren't broken.
Plebs have same rule then.
I’ve not been watching Sky so you could have made that up for all I know.
The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.
If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.
If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.
Glad you expressed this sentiment because I can now do THIS -
Affluent BAME woman with left wing views who opposes private schools puts love of her son above her politics and sends him to one. Let's call her Dorothy Arbuckle.
See?
Indeed. I don't criticise Diane Abbott for putting her children in the best school she can.
I do criticise Diane Abbott for wanting to restrict others from doing the same.
I am a parent and as a parent my children come first. I expect the same of every other parent. Putting your children first is not against the law.
Please see my post to @Richard_Tyndall. It sets out the correct position on hypocrisy.
I don't know what's more revolting - what Cummings did in the first place, or the crap they're coming out with now to try to justify it.
It seems like a big mistake, but I've thought that before, and maybe the truth is that they really can get away with anything.
The lockdown fascist speaks. No one can be holier than the lockdown fascists! No one can make mistakes! All must kneel before the lockdown!
If that drivel is the best defence of Cummings that people are capable of raising, it's quite revealing.
No it's just you Chris. You are proving yourself a bit of a dick over this lockdown thing. You're panicking in public. Not a great look, although perfectly understandable.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
If cummings and his wife were seriously ill, and could not look after their child, then who should have?
Social services?
Yes, if it meant he wasn’t spreading the ‘Rona to the North East from grubby London. Literally the whole point of the lockdown.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Except it isn’t. You have symptoms, you stay home. It’s that simple. You’re really demonstrating your naked partisanship and gross hypocrisy here.
It is pathetic to watch such puerile mince being written by someone who is obviously deluded. Cult members have more self awareness.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Except it isn’t. You have symptoms, you stay home. It’s that simple. You’re really demonstrating your naked partisanship and gross hypocrisy here.
I'm a parent. If I was worried for my children's safety I would do whatever it takes. I won't criticise any person of any party colour for doing the same.
He broke the guidelines. He might have done it for noble reasons (I doubt that though), but he still broke them. Thus he is a hypocrite—one rule for the plebs, another for us.
Police Chief on Sky just said the rules weren't broken.
Plebs have same rule then.
I’ve not been watching Sky so you could have made that up for all I know.
Be a very weird thing to make up on a politics site the odds are at least one other person is watching the news.
I don't know what's more revolting - what Cummings did in the first place, or the crap they're coming out with now to try to justify it.
It seems like a big mistake, but I've thought that before, and maybe the truth is that they really can get away with anything.
The lockdown fascist speaks. No one can be holier than the lockdown fascists! No one can make mistakes! All must kneel before the lockdown!
If that drivel is the best defence of Cummings that people are capable of raising, it's quite revealing.
For the blessed Saint Niall saw a vision, and it was a vision of half a million deaths....and he said unto the lockdown faithful go ye forward and terrify the people with this vision, now entirely discredited, while I am 'anointed' by married women
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
If cummings and his wife were seriously ill, and could not look after their child, then who should have?
Social services?
Yes, if it meant he wasn’t spreading the ‘Rona to the North East from grubby London. Literally the whole point of the lockdown.
Someone who doesn't have kids or hasn't got nieces and nephews speaks. Kids stay with family. End of discussion.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
If cummings and his wife were seriously ill, and could not look after their child, then who should have?
Social services?
Their aunt offered. Why not her? And the chance of two people who can travel 350 miles without stopping suddenly becoming so ill with covid19 they cant use the phone to call for help is as close to zero as anything will be.
They would be far more likely to kill the child through being tired when driving.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
It approaches JRMs "Common Sense" remarks about the Grenfell tower dead.
This line from the government - 'It's okay to break the lockdown if you think it's good for your kids' - is staggering. It turns adherence to the lockdown into a mere lifestyle choice. The government is destroying the very social and ethical foundations upon which the lockdown was predicated.
Putting aside the technalities of the rules, the actual politics of this are fairly simple, it looks awful for the government to be defending what is at best rule bending. Politcally I think Cummings should have been sacked last night. The government is really screwing this up, and there will be consequences should we need to tighten control measures at some point. Will the public comply with rules that they now expect people in government to break?
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
I've been saying think for yourself.
You’ve been defending every thing the Government has done without any degree of independent thought or critical thinking.
Not true. I've criticised them when I find it appropriate to do so.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
If cummings and his wife were seriously ill, and could not look after their child, then who should have?
Social services?
Friends in London, or maybe his sister could have driven down to London.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
If cummings and his wife were seriously ill, and could not look after their child, then who should have?
Social services?
Yes, if it meant he wasn’t spreading the ‘Rona to the North East from grubby London. Literally the whole point of the lockdown.
Someone who doesn't have kids or hasn't got nieces and nephews speaks. Kids stay with family. End of discussion.
My lack of children is irrelevant. We both know that this trip had nothing to do with the kids—they just fancied being quarantined in the North East rather than in the Smoke.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
I've been saying think for yourself.
You’ve been defending every thing the Government has done without any degree of independent thought or critical thinking.
Not true. I've criticised them when I find it appropriate to do so.
To be fair that’s exactly what @Philip_Thompson is saying. I guess the guidance must not have been clear, despite his assertions for weeks, as everyone is very confused.
Indeed PT is going further, by not "thinking ahead" parents who obeyed the quarantine without travelling to stay with relatives were reckless putting their childrens lives in mortal danger.
It approaches JRMs "Common Sense" remarks about the Grenfell tower dead.
I think its worse. JRMs comment was insensitive and wrong but probably not dangerous.
The idea that parents have an automatic exemption to quarantine of a deadly and highly infectious disease on the basis of ill do anything for my kids will cause thousands of deaths if it is widely accepted.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining what reasonable means.
I believe in treating people like adults.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes. Indeed. And what if it was really really important that you go off to shag your mistress.
You get to be the person who determines the relative importance of every activity?
Everyone gets to make their own decisions.
In my eyes, as a parent, the well being of children trumps shagging your mistress. If you think otherwise that's your choice.
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining what reasonable means.
I believe in treating people like adults.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
Okay, but what would you say to someone who burgled your home or mugged you to feed their kids? Or exposed you to a potentially deadly virus taking your kids somewhere “safe”?
I imagine what really happened is that Dom couldn’t access childcare - perhaps his nanny left, they did have one - and so they hotfooted it to the in-laws.
While one or both knowingly had the rona.
This is not about leaving London, or about the kid. It was just easier to be closer to the various in-laws (both sets).
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining what reasonable means.
I believe in treating people like adults.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes. Indeed. And what if it was really really important that you go off to shag your mistress.
You get to be the person who determines the relative importance of every activity?
Everyone gets to make their own decisions.
In my eyes, as a parent, the well being of children trumps shagging your mistress. If you think otherwise that's your choice.
We both know that this has nothing to do with the kids. They merely wanted a more convenient place to self-isolate. You are however choosing to ignore that blindingly obvious fact for partisan political reasons.
Conservatives have gained Nelson and Cone (now Pendle) and Rossendale from Labour in BBC Parliament's 1979 general election replay, the first Tory gains of the night
What a shame their own officers took no action whatsoever at the time then
At the time there wasn't any crime which would stand up in court (as demonstrated by the various fines that have been removed on appeal).
County Durham police are very, very good at avoiding stupid things (like merging with Cleveland or Northumbria both of which has been talked about for decades).
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining what reasonable means.
I believe in treating people like adults.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes. Indeed. And what if it was really really important that you go off to shag your mistress.
You get to be the person who determines the relative importance of every activity?
Everyone gets to make their own decisions.
In my eyes, as a parent, the well being of children trumps shagging your mistress. If you think otherwise that's your choice.
Apart from in a quarantine of a highly contagious deadly disease. Your choice is taken away from you for the good of everyone and their kids. That is the whole point of a quarantine!
This is an order of magnitude worse than Ferguson & Calderwood. Driving 350 miles whilst you've either got or could be carrying (Due to his wife) the virus. It's not only breaking the rules, it's breaking the rules for the precise medical reason the rules were put in place ! Even with no lockdown, only the thickest or most arrogant would embark on a 350 mile trip for any reason whatsoever if there was a good chance they had the virus. Dom isn't thick, but he treats us all for fools and the Gov't is diminished every minute it tries to defend such vanity.
Ferguson was about having an affair. Dom was about looking after children.
Caring for children trumps having an affair. Caring for children isn't illegal.
Consenting adults can do what they like in this country Phil, here's a clue - the lockdown is for medical and not moral reasons. Unless you want a morality police ?
Indeed but it's not about morality, having an affair isn't a reasonable excuse. Caring for children is.
Bingo! You have just illustrated why the government's communication on this - guidelines/laws/rules - has been so shocking.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining what reasonable means.
I believe in treating people like adults.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes. Indeed. And what if it was really really important that you go off to shag your mistress.
You get to be the person who determines the relative importance of every activity?
Everyone gets to make their own decisions.
In my eyes, as a parent, the well being of children trumps shagging your mistress. If you think otherwise that's your choice.
A society can't function with everyone making their own decisions.
Should we refer to the guidelines or the law or the rules for clarity?
The lockdown was always supposed to be much stricter if you were sick. Our friends had it so we skipped out their horses for a week as well as our own. They didn't leave their house, even for essential animal care - they made other arrangements. They even looked after a young child whilst ill with 5 of them living in a 3 bed semi and absolubtely not leaving it for any reason whatsoever.
If we want to avoid a second wave, then that is the correct action to take when symptomatic.
Government policy is not tenable if Cummings stays. What a circus of clowns we have running the show!
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Unless you want a morality police ?
I said last night that he wasn’t going anywhere.
I suspect he still won’t.
However, he - and the govt - are treating us like absolute cunts.
I guess Bozo can delay Cumstain's sacking and use it to distract from the U-turn on schools later in the week.
Priti Patel under fire from Tory MPs thanks to Nigel Farage's 'investigative journalism' in Kent?
UK-EU trade talks looking irredeemably broken, with no-deal exit at the end of the year now much more likely?
Row continuing over schools re-opening?
China's virtual annexation of Hong Kong's democracy?
Terrible economic news, company administrations (Hertz, Shearings) and the escalating costs of the whole situation?
Whole F1 season in doubt due to harsh UK quarantine rules? (Okay, maybe just me on that one).
He is best ignored, his posts are drivel intended to bait readers.
Caring for children is.
and Biden's 'ain't black' comments.
Have they affected his chances?
Was the Fat Crofter right to demand it?
Was he right to delete that tweet?
Leaving the house is illegal unless it's for a reasonable reason. To have an affair isn't a reasonable reason, to care for children is a reasonable reason.
The most ardent supporters of the continued lockdown are people who live in houses with gardens and have a family. As I've said many times, I'm extremely lucky to live in a flat with a large BBQ compatible balcony and have a very patient and understanding wife. Loads of my friends aren't that lucky and are stuck in shared houses with people they didn't know until this all started or worse all alone with no physical human contact for months.
I actually think of the two transgressions I'm more able to forgive the bonking professor than Dom, but neither are particularly bothersome.
There were/are unlimited opportunities to remain fed during lockdown.
It seems like a big mistake, but I've thought that before, and maybe the truth is that they really can get away with anything.
All this "just use common sense how hard can it be" guff results in exactly this. Everyone determining for themselves what it all means.
DA, for me, would be a hypocrite if she both sends her child to a private school AND criticizes others for doing same. That she merely opposes the existence of private schools and uses one is not hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is "do as I say not as I do". Arguing that there should not be an option to go private is not the same as criticizing people for using the option. The first is not hypocrisy, the second is.
As for DC and lockdown. He (effectively) told people not to travel and then he himself did. This is slam dunk hypocrisy. Which IMO is not a major sin at all, most people are prone to it to varying degrees, but he is without a shadow of a doubt guilty as charged.
Every adult, every parent should think for themselves what reasonable means.
If I was worried for my children I would do whatever it takes to make sure my children were safe. Whatever it takes.
He had to go to county Durham instead, where the only extra help he could get was someone dropping food outside his door.
Dominic Cummings couldn't find anyone in the metropolis to drop food outside his door? Couldn't his friend Boris, the Prime Minuster, have arranged it?
Risible.
You know, I remember Boris hiding in a fridge from Piers Morgan on 11 December 2019 and being 'damned for his cowardice'.
I remember it because something else fairly newsworthy happened the very next day ... can't recall exactly what it was though.
The difference from the forced U-turn over foreign care workers is that even people who dislike having a lot of foreigners around are grateful for the work done by carers in the current situation and quite likely know someone who has benefited. People like being pandered to a bit. But the idea that foreign carers should pay twice for their own care (through taxation and a special levy) struck most people as a pander too far.
Do you know any Covid 19 symptomatic people, with a history of direct contact with confirmed cases, who went to visit and stay with their parents?
Plebs have same rule then.
Social services?
Now back to snitching on Jews in the attic..
You can get almost anything on Deliveroo.
(Except pork pies, I was just looking).
You get to be the person who determines the relative importance of every activity?
PS: given Bozo hardly does a day a week would we notice if he resigned
Stealing money to care for your children is illegal (plenty of poor parents have done so)
Murdering people to care for your children is illegal (there’s been more than one case of vigilante justice committed “for the kids”)
Kidnapping your kids to care for them is illegal (happens all the time)
Breaching the Coronavirus regulations, designed to protect everyone, to care for your kids is illegal (as has happened here)
There’s plenty of ways “caring for children” is illegal. “Think of the children”, the Maude Flanders defence, is not effective. You don’t get to expose everyone else’s kids to a potentially deadly virus for the sake of your own. How many immunocompromised people were potentially exposed at whatever service station they stopped at?
Poor timing though.
If my sister and brother-in-law both got it at the same time they already told us that we'd have to look after my niece and she's a one year old. The neighbours aren't going to do it and we live around an hour drive away. I think it is completely reasonable.
They even looked after a young child whilst ill with 5 of them living in a 3 bed semi and absolubtely not leaving it for any reason whatsoever.
They would be far more likely to kill the child through being tired when driving.
The idea that parents have an automatic exemption to quarantine of a deadly and highly infectious disease on the basis of ill do anything for my kids will cause thousands of deaths if it is widely accepted.
Much of what is against the guidelines is not against the law.
Then they purposely elide the two by referring to the "rules".
This was always untenable and I suppose it's quietly satisfying that it should be the government's own key advisor who should blow it all wide open.
In my eyes, as a parent, the well being of children trumps shagging your mistress. If you think otherwise that's your choice.
What would you say to the family of this guy murdered by a father to keep his kids “safe” https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/29/vigilante-murder-paedophile-bristol-bijan-ebrahimi
While one or both knowingly had the rona.
This is not about leaving London, or about the kid. It was just easier to be closer to the various in-laws (both sets).
County Durham police are very, very good at avoiding stupid things (like merging with Cleveland or Northumbria both of which has been talked about for decades).
Should we refer to the guidelines or the law or the rules for clarity?
Government policy is not tenable if Cummings stays. What a circus of clowns we have running the show!