If only it had been Mamma Mia. I’ve been angry and sad at the things that you’ve done...
Never mind the music - he was, by his own account, supposed to be self isolating from his children - hence the journey - yet was seen running around with one of them.
I thought the excuse for travelling to county Durham was that he needed his parents to take care of the child. Doesn't that imply he and his wife took the child up there with them?
One question that strikes me as increasingly important the more I think about it is the question of comfort breaks. Did they stop at a service station on the way?
It’s a long drive with a small child not to stop. Did they, while Coronapositive, stop off and come into contact with others?
If you're prepared to take the almost unbelievable step of driving over 250 miles whilst corona positive I doubt you'd have too many qualms about using motorway services rather than some roadside bushes.
Well quite. But if they did, at that point any argument based on “well this was no risk to anyone outside the family” (which, by the way, is a rubbish argument because the point of the rules is to overrule even willing consent to the risks in order to reduce the spread of the disease) goes out the window.
Driving 250 miles without a stop when ill would also be no better than driving over the limit.
It is wholly unclear that he was ill. The whole story is a mass of contradictions.
What happened to when the spin doctor/chief advisor becomes the story you are no longer effective and should go? This guy seems to become the story once a month.
He is damaged, that's beyond doubt. But the discussion has problems. There is a huge contrast between the requirements of the regulations in March and the advice or rhetoric of government. For example there was and is no legal requirement about social distancing. All of that is advisory and unenforceable, just as, wrongly, there was no rule prohibiting dad dancing to Abba. The one and only test for leaving your home is 'reasonable excuse'.
In the list of examples in the 2020 CV regulations (sec 6) there are general example'excuses' about medical need, ministers going to their church, shopping for necessities, exercise and all sorts. But there is no general 'excuse' provision in the examples for 'the needs of child care'; except very narrow ones. There should have been.
Back In the real world for millions of people when schools and nurseries are closed, adults are working in odd and fragmented ways, and sometimes people have got or may have the virus the actual demands of child care is the absolute number one priority overriding all others.
If I were responsible for a child and were ill in ways that meant I could not rely on looking after it, or thought there was a real risk that I could not, I would take whatever steps necessary for the child regardless of the consequences.
If that is the case I have sympathy for Dominic and family. But the Abba dancing is a problem.
The point about Abba is that Dom was supposed to need his parents to look after the child yet here they are gyrating to a well-known beat combo, m'lud.
Yes. Hopefully this doesn’t have systemic effect on car loan finance...
Chapter 11 is just to leave your debts , pension liabilities behind, they will be open tomorrow debt free.
No, it’s a standstill arrangement.
It gives them an opportunity to restructure and agree new financing terms; they don’t just get to write off the debt. And even if they can agree massive write downs of debt with lenders, what might that do for the future availability of fleet finance ?
AFAIK, it’s a pretty poorly run company, so restructuring could be tough - particularly as business will have collapsed.
Also available via the (PP owned) Betfair Sportsbook. I've had a small flutter on value grounds as for me it is more like 4/6, 6/4. Shadsy offers 1/2, 6/4 so Cummings fans should head for the Magic Sign.
It would good if Betfair could put this on the exchange as well, I reckon there would be a bit of trade.
Evidently the last line is wrong. You will not face criminal sanction if you are in a high profile position in this country.
And yet, someone was saying this week how little corruption there is here......
A government talks about wanting to help the left behind, but the reality is that the people the police will actually fine during this crisis are the left behind, even the non elite professional classes will talk themselves out of fines with an apologetic explanation and an attempt at justification.
Unbelievable, but describes this country perfectly, if he had been just a normal pleb he would have been nicked , but police doff their caps to the elite and wave them on their way.
He is damaged, that's beyond doubt. But the discussion has problems. There is a huge contrast between the requirements of the regulations in March and the advice or rhetoric of government. For example there was and is no legal requirement about social distancing. All of that is advisory and unenforceable, just as, wrongly, there was no rule prohibiting dad dancing to Abba. The one and only test for leaving your home is 'reasonable excuse'.
In the list of examples in the 2020 CV regulations (sec 6) there are general example'excuses' about medical need, ministers going to their church, shopping for necessities, exercise and all sorts. But there is no general 'excuse' provision in the examples for 'the needs of child care'; except very narrow ones. There should have been.
Back In the real world for millions of people when schools and nurseries are closed, adults are working in odd and fragmented ways, and sometimes people have got or may have the virus the actual demands of child care is the absolute number one priority overriding all others.
If I were responsible for a child and were ill in ways that meant I could not rely on looking after it, or thought there was a real risk that I could not, I would take whatever steps necessary for the child regardless of the consequences.
If that is the case I have sympathy for Dominic and family. But the Abba dancing is a problem.
The point about Abba is that Dom was supposed to need his parents to look after the child yet here they are gyrating to a well-known beat combo, m'lud.
Exactly.
It also calls into question his wife's account (as just broadcast on R4) at the time that he couldn't get out of bed for days
The effect of this story has probably been felt now, so whether Cummings stays or goes is probably less important.
It's the same effect not throwing out Williamson had on Corbyn. Even though it was eventually done (although not by Corbyn), the damage had been done.
Unfortunately for Johnson, Starmer will make mincemeat of Cummings at PMQs over this.
Do we even have PMQs this Wednesday or is the Commons taking a break? That might be another reason to think Cummings can hang on, and Boris will soon be off to America after that.
'Stay Home' was a terrible slogan. It induced paranoia and, from that, we now have a massive agoraphobic and haphephobic problem in this country.
Hindsight, as always, is a wonderful thing.
But yes: it would be going too far to say that the country was now split right down the middle between those desperate to get out and do stuff and those sat trembling with fear at home and wetting themselves - there will be quite a lot of cautious folk in the middle - but the divide between the two extremes exists nonetheless.
A unified approach to lockdown - both the regulations that need to stay and a sensible program of easing - is therefore impossible. Any given action is bound to please one half of the divide and incur the wrath of the other.
If only it had been Mamma Mia. I’ve been angry and sad at the things that you’ve done...
Never mind the music - he was, by his own account, supposed to be self isolating from his children - hence the journey - yet was seen running around with one of them.
I thought the excuse for travelling to county Durham was that he needed his parents to take care of the child. Doesn't that imply he and his wife took the child up there with them?
One question that strikes me as increasingly important the more I think about it is the question of comfort breaks. Did they stop at a service station on the way?
It’s a long drive with a small child not to stop. Did they, while Coronapositive, stop off and come into contact with others?
If you're prepared to take the almost unbelievable step of driving over 250 miles whilst corona positive I doubt you'd have too many qualms about using motorway services rather than some roadside bushes.
Well quite. But if they did, at that point any argument based on “well this was no risk to anyone outside the family” (which, by the way, is a rubbish argument because the point of the rules is to overrule even willing consent to the risks in order to reduce the spread of the disease) goes out the window.
Driving 250 miles without a stop when ill would also be no better than driving over the limit.
It is wholly unclear that he was ill. The whole story is a mass of contradictions.
A total con , at best he had some flu like symptoms, an absolute arsehole.
I think the connection with heart disease is that Covid-19 increasingly behaves as a disease of small blood vessels. Even the lung pathology seems to be driven by that.
We are seeing an uptick in odd cardiac conditions. I am sure that there is some mileage in looking at clotting and platelet drugs, as well as statins for their endothelial stabilisation. It all needs more proper science rather than woo.
Yes. Hopefully this doesn’t have systemic effect on car loan finance...
Chapter 11 is just to leave your debts , pension liabilities behind, they will be open tomorrow debt free.
No, it’s a standstill arrangement.
It gives them an opportunity to restructure and agree new financing terms; they don’t just get to write off the debt. And even if they can agree massive write downs of debt with lenders, what might that do for the future availability of fleet finance ?
AFAIK, it’s a pretty poorly run company, so restructuring could be tough - particularly as business will have collapsed.
He is damaged, that's beyond doubt. But the discussion has problems. There is a huge contrast between the requirements of the regulations in March and the advice or rhetoric of government. For example there was and is no legal requirement about social distancing. All of that is advisory and unenforceable, just as, wrongly, there was no rule prohibiting dad dancing to Abba. The one and only test for leaving your home is 'reasonable excuse'.
In the list of examples in the 2020 CV regulations (sec 6) there are general example'excuses' about medical need, ministers going to their church, shopping for necessities, exercise and all sorts. But there is no general 'excuse' provision in the examples for 'the needs of child care'; except very narrow ones. There should have been.
Back In the real world for millions of people when schools and nurseries are closed, adults are working in odd and fragmented ways, and sometimes people have got or may have the virus the actual demands of child care is the absolute number one priority overriding all others.
If I were responsible for a child and were ill in ways that meant I could not rely on looking after it, or thought there was a real risk that I could not, I would take whatever steps necessary for the child regardless of the consequences.
If that is the case I have sympathy for Dominic and family. But the Abba dancing is a problem.
For a one off crisis he could surely have afforded and arranged paid childcare?
If the consequences were simply breaking the law I would have sympathy with your position of "whatever steps necessary". But that is not the case, he put his parents in mortal danger.* That is beyond reckless when other options would have been available.
* if he did have covid19, but who can believe anything now? perhaps given his underlying health issues he just wanted to get out of Westminster and where he felt safe - the only way to do that being to pretend to be covid19 positive which everyone would accept given the PM had it.
The effect of this story has probably been felt now, so whether Cummings stays or goes is probably less important.
It's the same effect not throwing out Williamson had on Corbyn. Even though it was eventually done (although not by Corbyn), the damage had been done.
Unfortunately for Johnson, Starmer will make mincemeat of Cummings at PMQs over this.
Do we even have PMQs this Wednesday or is the Commons taking a break? That might be another reason to think Cummings can hang on, and Boris will soon be off to America after that.
We will here all sorts of squirrels from the Tory fanboys/girls on here, it started last night. Expect shedloads of guff about how bad Scottish NHS is and other such Scottish lies.
I hate to break this to you but, despite the workings of your fevered imagination, most people outside Scotland don’t spend all that much of their time thinking or talking about Scotland, either in a positive or negative sense. You see, there’s this disease about, you may have read about it, and the brain cells we use to plot how to more effectively oppress the Scots are currently being used to address issues arising from said virus.
Germany is blaming cramped living conditions for abbatoir workers. We must hope it is not that the virus has spread to farm animals and then back to workers via aerosols from sawing carcasses.
If only it had been Mamma Mia. I’ve been angry and sad at the things that you’ve done...
Never mind the music - he was, by his own account, supposed to be self isolating from his children - hence the journey - yet was seen running around with one of them.
I thought the excuse for travelling to county Durham was that he needed his parents to take care of the child. Doesn't that imply he and his wife took the child up there with them?
One question that strikes me as increasingly important the more I think about it is the question of comfort breaks. Did they stop at a service station on the way?
It’s a long drive with a small child not to stop. Did they, while Coronapositive, stop off and come into contact with others?
If you're prepared to take the almost unbelievable step of driving over 250 miles whilst corona positive I doubt you'd have too many qualms about using motorway services rather than some roadside bushes.
Well quite. But if they did, at that point any argument based on “well this was no risk to anyone outside the family” (which, by the way, is a rubbish argument because the point of the rules is to overrule even willing consent to the risks in order to reduce the spread of the disease) goes out the window.
Driving 250 miles without a stop when ill would also be no better than driving over the limit.
The great thing about this is that if he goes, Johnson is fucked, but if he stays, he’s a living embodiment and constant reminder of the hypocrisy of this Government, and Johnson is fucked, to be brought up at PMQs for so long as is necessary. I do hope he stays.
We will here all sorts of squirrels from the Tory fanboys/girls on here, it started last night. Expect shedloads of guff about how bad Scottish NHS is and other such Scottish lies.
I hate to break this to you but, despite the workings of your fevered imagination, most people outside Scotland don’t spend all that much of their time thinking or talking about Scotland, either in a positive or negative sense. You see, there’s this disease about, you may have read about it, and the brain cells we use to plot how to more effectively oppress the Scots are currently being used to address issues arising from said virus.
You seem plenty interested as do a good few others on here. Maybe if a few more brain cells were applied to thinking how to cure the shit in England rather than bad mouthing Scotland, to draw away attention from failings, it may be a bit more believable. Not understanding that we can read and know it is bollox undermines the stupidity.
Germany is blaming cramped living conditions for abbatoir workers. We must hope it is not that the virus has spread to farm animals and then back to workers via aerosols from sawing carcasses.
Meat packing is a very noisy business, lots of shouting.
It shows how Track and Trace can identify nexi of infection, and where it is not happening. It is a pity that we abandoned it on March 11, ad wasted six weeks before restarting.
If only it had been Mamma Mia. I’ve been angry and sad at the things that you’ve done...
Never mind the music - he was, by his own account, supposed to be self isolating from his children - hence the journey - yet was seen running around with one of them.
I thought the excuse for travelling to county Durham was that he needed his parents to take care of the child. Doesn't that imply he and his wife took the child up there with them?
One question that strikes me as increasingly important the more I think about it is the question of comfort breaks. Did they stop at a service station on the way?
It’s a long drive with a small child not to stop. Did they, while Coronapositive, stop off and come into contact with others?
If you're prepared to take the almost unbelievable step of driving over 250 miles whilst corona positive I doubt you'd have too many qualms about using motorway services rather than some roadside bushes.
Well quite. But if they did, at that point any argument based on “well this was no risk to anyone outside the family” (which, by the way, is a rubbish argument because the point of the rules is to overrule even willing consent to the risks in order to reduce the spread of the disease) goes out the window.
Driving 250 miles without a stop when ill would also be no better than driving over the limit.
And with a severe respiratory infection.
He had nothing whatsoever wrong with him, you mugs are easily taken in.
The great thing about this is that if he goes, Johnson is fucked, but if he stays, he’s a living embodiment and constant reminder of the hypocrisy of this Government, and Johnson is fucked, to be brought up at PMQs for so long as is necessary. I do hope he stays.
Boris Johnson has one mission in life: Boris Johnson. He will do whatever is best for himself. When the moment comes, Dominic Cummings will be astonished by his ingratitude.
It gets better: Few more details this morning - -small number of people in No 10 knew that Cummings had gone to Durham, not stayed in London -seems it was his sister who had offered to help with childcare when he and his wife fell ill -family stayed in separate house + had no contact in the end PS: At what point in the 24 hours between "rushing home" and "collapsing" did he realise that he couldn't care for his son and drive 264 miles from London to Durham.
Well he certainly should go. The case is overwhelming. And logic says he will have to go because the precedent has been set with Ferguson and Calderwood. Nevertheless my hunch is he will survive.
Also available via the (PP owned) Betfair Sportsbook. I've had a small flutter on value grounds as for me it is more like 4/6, 6/4. Shadsy offers 1/2, 6/4 so Cummings fans should head for the Magic Sign.
I'd agree with this. I wouldn't argue with Evens the pair. So 2/1 Cummings is out by 1st June shapes as a value bet. I'm on!
£5 with PP and £25 with Betfair Sportsbook. Maximum I was allowed.
The great thing about this is that if he goes, Johnson is fucked, but if he stays, he’s a living embodiment and constant reminder of the hypocrisy of this Government, and Johnson is fucked, to be brought up at PMQs for so long as is necessary. I do hope he stays.
Boris Johnson has one mission in life: Boris Johnson. He will do whatever is best for himself. When the moment comes, Dominic Cummings will be astonished by his ingratitude.
We will here all sorts of squirrels from the Tory fanboys/girls on here, it started last night. Expect shedloads of guff about how bad Scottish NHS is and other such Scottish lies.
I hate to break this to you but, despite the workings of your fevered imagination, most people outside Scotland don’t spend all that much of their time thinking or talking about Scotland, either in a positive or negative sense. You see, there’s this disease about, you may have read about it, and the brain cells we use to plot how to more effectively oppress the Scots are currently being used to address issues arising from said virus.
You seem plenty interested as do a good few others on here. Maybe if a few more brain cells were applied to thinking how to cure the shit in England rather than bad mouthing Scotland, to draw away attention from failings, it may be a bit more believable. Not understanding that we can read and know it is bollox undermines the stupidity.
Lies. I really don’t give a monkeys. I never badmouth Scotland - I badmouth you, but you are not Scotland. I don’t know nearly enough about Scotland or it’s politics to be able to add any comment of value. So I never, ever, comment about matters pertaining exclusively to Scotland, save to outline the palpable bollocks you constantly talk about England (such as your insane comment yesterday that every single NHS metric was better in Scotland, than England many are, some aren’t) and the English (behind suitable plausibly deniable phrases like “southerners” and “within the M25”) , and your insane descriptions like “Uncle Toms” in relation thereto.
“Not understanding that we can read”? What does that even mean? Again, you come across as a fevered paranoid bigot. Do you seriously think I consider Scots to be illiterate? That short of stereotyping is why so many find you to be an absolute joke.
Surely Dom will be fine. Hypocrisy is an intrinsic part of this government. The PM who repeatedly voted against Brexit to win the premiership, then sacked those that voted against Brexit less often than him. An ultra elite campaigning against the elite. No border checks in NI , apart from the border checks. Don’t make international comparisons on CV19 until you want a world beating testing regime.
Dom will be fine, his behaviour is the new normal.
Well he certainly should go. The case is overwhelming. And logic says he will have to go because the precedent has been set with Ferguson and Calderwood. Nevertheless my hunch is he will survive.
Yes, yet to see any of the self righteous Tories like Davidson, Jackson and other politicians who hounded the Scottish CMO after a much smaller infraction for which she rightly had to go. We have the state propaganda unit working flat out to save him , Kuenssburg having kittens on twitter trying to twist it.
This is deliberate. Put out a cloud of contradictory information through compliant credulous uncritical media contacts (cough Laura cough)
It doesn't have to stand up. The point is to 1) have info that supporters can grab onto 2) exhaust and confuse opponents by forcing them to chase down the contradictions
We will here all sorts of squirrels from the Tory fanboys/girls on here, it started last night. Expect shedloads of guff about how bad Scottish NHS is and other such Scottish lies.
I hate to break this to you but, despite the workings of your fevered imagination, most people outside Scotland don’t spend all that much of their time thinking or talking about Scotland, either in a positive or negative sense. You see, there’s this disease about, you may have read about it, and the brain cells we use to plot how to more effectively oppress the Scots are currently being used to address issues arising from said virus.
You seem plenty interested as do a good few others on here. Maybe if a few more brain cells were applied to thinking how to cure the shit in England rather than bad mouthing Scotland, to draw away attention from failings, it may be a bit more believable. Not understanding that we can read and know it is bollox undermines the stupidity.
Lies. I really don’t give a monkeys. I never badmouth Scotland - I badmouth you, but you are not Scotland. I don’t know nearly enough about Scotland or it’s politics to be able to add any comment of value. So I never, ever, comment about matters pertaining exclusively to Scotland, save to outline the palpable bollocks you constantly talk about England (such as your insane comment yesterday that every single NHS metric was better in Scotland, than England many are, some aren’t) and the English (behind suitable plausibly deniable phrases like “southerners” and “within the M25”) , and your insane descriptions like “Uncle Toms” in relation thereto.
“Not understanding that we can read”? What does that even mean? Again, you come across as a fevered paranoid bigot. Do you seriously think I consider Scots to be illiterate? That short of stereotyping is why so many find you to be an absolute joke.
Doug why don't you just F**K off and stick to your oft repeated claptrap that you will never read my posts or comment on them again. You are a whining snivelling little runt. Your imagination that you know what many people on here think shows what an absolute bellend of gigantic proportions you are. Jog on and bother someone else.
If Cummings goes do we then get a Boris who is allowed to finally see sense and extended the transition?
Regardless of Cummings, there is IMO virtually no chance of a WTO Brexit. I predict an extension - perhaps dressed up as a "deal" for political cover.
Nah. The pantomime negotiations are just for a domestic show. The whole cabinet was appointed because they were willing to go to No Deal Brexit. Indeed most are enthusiastic for it.
This is deliberate. Put out a cloud of contradictory information through compliant credulous uncritical media contacts (cough Laura cough)
It doesn't have to stand up. The point is to 1) have info that supporters can grab onto 2) exhaust and confuse opponents by forcing them to chase down the contradictions
All to cover up him travelling 350 miles.
Ive just heard from sources that he was actually driven up by an Albanian taxi driver.
We will here all sorts of squirrels from the Tory fanboys/girls on here, it started last night. Expect shedloads of guff about how bad Scottish NHS is and other such Scottish lies.
I hate to break this to you but, despite the workings of your fevered imagination, most people outside Scotland don’t spend all that much of their time thinking or talking about Scotland, either in a positive or negative sense. You see, there’s this disease about, you may have read about it, and the brain cells we use to plot how to more effectively oppress the Scots are currently being used to address issues arising from said virus.
You seem plenty interested as do a good few others on here. Maybe if a few more brain cells were applied to thinking how to cure the shit in England rather than bad mouthing Scotland, to draw away attention from failings, it may be a bit more believable. Not understanding that we can read and know it is bollox undermines the stupidity.
Lies. I really don’t give a monkeys. I never badmouth Scotland - I badmouth you, but you are not Scotland. I don’t know nearly enough about Scotland or it’s politics to be able to add any comment of value. So I never, ever, comment about matters pertaining exclusively to Scotland, save to outline the palpable bollocks you constantly talk about England (such as your insane comment yesterday that every single NHS metric was better in Scotland, than England many are, some aren’t) and the English (behind suitable plausibly deniable phrases like “southerners” and “within the M25”) , and your insane descriptions like “Uncle Toms” in relation thereto.
“Not understanding that we can read”? What does that even mean? Again, you come across as a fevered paranoid bigot. Do you seriously think I consider Scots to be illiterate? That short of stereotyping is why so many find you to be an absolute joke.
Doug why don't you just F**K off and stick to your oft repeated claptrap that you will never read my posts or comment on them again. You are a whining snivelling little runt. Your imagination that you know what many people on here think shows what an absolute bellend of gigantic proportions you are. Jog on and bother someone else.
Nah. I said it once and then realised that I quite enjoy watching bigots explode so changed my mind. Seems I touched a nerve.
I struggle to understand the UK lockdown unwind. I can, in Spain, go to a bar sit 2m apart and have a drink, every chair and table disinfected between customers. I can go to the beach and walk on it but not sit down, no social distancing problems no crowds. I can eat out on a restaurant terrace so long as 2m can be maintained. The UK seems to have got things arse about face.
If Cummings goes do we then get a Boris who is allowed to finally see sense and extended the transition?
Regardless of Cummings, there is IMO virtually no chance of a WTO Brexit. I predict an extension - perhaps dressed up as a "deal" for political cover.
Nah. The pantomime negotiations are just for a domestic show. The whole cabinet was appointed because they were willing to go to No Deal Brexit. Indeed most are enthusiastic for it.
Yes but the corollary of having a Brexit Cabinet is it provides cover for hoofing trade terms into row Z past the June "deadline", accompanied by a lightweight deal allowing both sides to save face. The looming American election makes a US deal harder.
I struggle to understand the UK lockdown unwind. I can, in Spain, go to a bar sit 2m apart and have a drink, every chair and table disinfected between customers. I can go to the beach and walk on it but not sit down, no social distancing problems no crowds. I can eat out on a restaurant terrace so long as 2m can be maintained. The UK seems to have got things arse about face.
What incentive does the government have to get the right policy when it doesn’t apply to them?
This is deliberate. Put out a cloud of contradictory information through compliant credulous uncritical media contacts (cough Laura cough)
It doesn't have to stand up. The point is to 1) have info that supporters can grab onto 2) exhaust and confuse opponents by forcing them to chase down the contradictions
All to cover up him travelling 350 miles.
Ive just heard from sources that he was actually driven up by an Albanian taxi driver.
If I had a hate list Cummins would be number 1 on it. However this is tricky in as much as he claims to be acting responsibly for his sons health and welfare. On the other hand many familes had to self isolate, both parents having symptoms, with maybe two or three children and they managed, maybe in a small 3 bedroomed terrace, the question is why couldn't he. I suppose provided they did not leave the car on the drive then that is secure. However his son could have given it to his grandparents and so on. On balance I suppose he should resign, but Johnson and himself seem to think they can do and say anything and get away with it. They probably will.
We will here all sorts of squirrels from the Tory fanboys/girls on here, it started last night. Expect shedloads of guff about how bad Scottish NHS is and other such Scottish lies.
I hate to break this to you but, despite the workings of your fevered imagination, most people outside Scotland don’t spend all that much of their time thinking or talking about Scotland, either in a positive or negative sense. You see, there’s this disease about, you may have read about it, and the brain cells we use to plot how to more effectively oppress the Scots are currently being used to address issues arising from said virus.
You seem plenty interested as do a good few others on here. Maybe if a few more brain cells were applied to thinking how to cure the shit in England rather than bad mouthing Scotland, to draw away attention from failings, it may be a bit more believable. Not understanding that we can read and know it is bollox undermines the stupidity.
Lies. I really don’t give a monkeys. I never badmouth Scotland - I badmouth you, but you are not Scotland. I don’t know nearly enough about Scotland or it’s politics to be able to add any comment of value. So I never, ever, comment about matters pertaining exclusively to Scotland, save to outline the palpable bollocks you constantly talk about England (such as your insane comment yesterday that every single NHS metric was better in Scotland, than England many are, some aren’t) and the English (behind suitable plausibly deniable phrases like “southerners” and “within the M25”) , and your insane descriptions like “Uncle Toms” in relation thereto.
“Not understanding that we can read”? What does that even mean? Again, you come across as a fevered paranoid bigot. Do you seriously think I consider Scots to be illiterate? That short of stereotyping is why so many find you to be an absolute joke.
Doug why don't you just F**K off and stick to your oft repeated claptrap that you will never read my posts or comment on them again. You are a whining snivelling little runt. Your imagination that you know what many people on here think shows what an absolute bellend of gigantic proportions you are. Jog on and bother someone else.
Nah. I said it once and then realised that I quite enjoy watching bigots explode so changed my mind. Seems I touched a nerve.
Cummings will end up sitting under an ATM with a dog on a string, begging for loose change. For the first time in his life he'll be appropriately dressed.
The fact he stayed means he put his career ahead of taking a stand on anti-semitism in the Labour Party. When the report comes out, excoriating as it is generally expected to be, remember this: he stood by Corbyn.
Sorry if he had taken a stand he wouldn't now be in a position to do anything about the issue and the party would be permanently lost.
SKS won the leadership because he was part of Corbyn's shadow cabinet, how far did the old options who refused to be part of that cabinet get in reaching the ballot.
If Cummings goes do we then get a Boris who is allowed to finally see sense and extended the transition?
No, because there is no sense in extending transition.
You need to look at this from the perspective of a Leaver not the perspective of a Remainer.
Risk further chaos, pain and suffering because you have no interest in waiting for a time when your negotiating partner can properly engage? That’s the perspective of a contemptible toad.
In a fair and just world this lay 12 hours or so would have ended LauraK's career as well as the uncritical mouthpiece of anonymous government sources.
If Cummings goes do we then get a Boris who is allowed to finally see sense and extended the transition?
No, because there is no sense in extending transition.
You need to look at this from the perspective of a Leaver not the perspective of a Remainer.
I fully accept we have to leave now. Indeed, we have left. I just don't want the chaos of No Deal or Australia or whatever it is called this week.
Our economic situation is horrendous. Unbelievably bad. I'm not sure most people have woken up to what's coming. To add No Deal friction on top is just stupid, for the sake of a few months more of in theory reporting to the ECJ.
Germany is blaming cramped living conditions for abbatoir workers. We must hope it is not that the virus has spread to farm animals and then back to workers via aerosols from sawing carcasses.
Occams razor. Which is more likely? People living in very close proximity sperading the virus in a known method of transmission, or a combination of three possible but not so probable events and not yet observed method of transmission.
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It gives them an opportunity to restructure and agree new financing terms; they don’t just get to write off the debt.
And even if they can agree massive write downs of debt with lenders, what might that do for the future availability of fleet finance ?
AFAIK, it’s a pretty poorly run company, so restructuring could be tough - particularly as business will have collapsed.
Germany to reform meat industry after spate of Covid-19 cases
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/22/exploitative-conditions-germany-to-reform-meat-industry-after-spate-of-covid-19-cases
It also calls into question his wife's account (as just broadcast on R4) at the time that he couldn't get out of bed for days
But yes: it would be going too far to say that the country was now split right down the middle between those desperate to get out and do stuff and those sat trembling with fear at home and wetting themselves - there will be quite a lot of cautious folk in the middle - but the divide between the two extremes exists nonetheless.
A unified approach to lockdown - both the regulations that need to stay and a sensible program of easing - is therefore impossible. Any given action is bound to please one half of the divide and incur the wrath of the other.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1264056439410212864?s=19
I think the connection with heart disease is that Covid-19 increasingly behaves as a disease of small blood vessels. Even the lung pathology seems to be driven by that.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1264057768392167424?s=19
We are seeing an uptick in odd cardiac conditions. I am sure that there is some mileage in looking at clotting and platelet drugs, as well as statins for their endothelial stabilisation. It all needs more proper science rather than woo.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-52779708
If Cummings goes do we then get a Boris who is allowed to finally see sense and extended the transition?
If the consequences were simply breaking the law I would have sympathy with your position of "whatever steps necessary". But that is not the case, he put his parents in mortal danger.* That is beyond reckless when other options would have been available.
* if he did have covid19, but who can believe anything now? perhaps given his underlying health issues he just wanted to get out of Westminster and where he felt safe - the only way to do that being to pretend to be covid19 positive which everyone would accept given the PM had it.
Again.
It shows how Track and Trace can identify nexi of infection, and where it is not happening. It is a pity that we abandoned it on March 11, ad wasted six weeks before restarting.
Few more details this morning -
-small number of people in No 10 knew that Cummings had gone to Durham, not stayed in London -seems it was his sister who had offered to help with childcare when he and his wife fell ill
-family stayed in separate house + had no contact in the end
PS:
At what point in the 24 hours between "rushing home" and "collapsing" did he realise that he couldn't care for his son and drive 264 miles from London to Durham.
Pretty sure it would get the 100k or whatever needed for a debate in parliament. That would be a popcorn level event.
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Every explanation generates new questions.
“Not understanding that we can read”? What does that even mean? Again, you come across as a fevered paranoid bigot. Do you seriously think I consider Scots to be illiterate? That short of stereotyping is why so many find you to be an absolute joke.
Dom will be fine, his behaviour is the new normal.
It doesn't have to stand up. The point is to
1) have info that supporters can grab onto
2) exhaust and confuse opponents by forcing them to chase down the contradictions
All to cover up him travelling 350 miles.
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Who wouldn’t want the state looking after their kids ?
"China reports no new cases for the first time in pandemic"
You need to look at this from the perspective of a Leaver not the perspective of a Remainer.
SKS won the leadership because he was part of Corbyn's shadow cabinet, how far did the old options who refused to be part of that cabinet get in reaching the ballot.
Not missed any Cummings and goings then?
Our economic situation is horrendous. Unbelievably bad. I'm not sure most people have woken up to what's coming. To add No Deal friction on top is just stupid, for the sake of a few months more of in theory reporting to the ECJ.
Public sector workers are better off by 46% to 23% but private sector workers worse off by 38% to 29%.
Pensioners are better off by 35% to 12%
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8349223/Coronaphobia-grips-nation-Britons-fear-lockdown-eased-rapidly.html