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kyf_100 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The ratio on this is huge:

https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21

And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.

Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.

The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.

It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.

While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.

That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.

It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.

This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.

Precisely. A quick scan of the Twitter bios under Rupert Myers' shows that they consist of an FBPE lawyer, a lefty journalist, a lefty economist, and a semi-professional anti-Brexiteer, and so on.

They would want Cummings sacked if he rolled over in bed.

noneoftheabove said:

Jonathan said:

noneoftheabove said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/TomSwarbrick1/status/1264110586641682433

Sincerely, I think he should be given some latitude on his workload given his health. There are other sticks to attack him with.

I have said for some time that Boris is not well and his reputation for going into hibernation is not helping. Cummings should go or be sacked but this is a bank holiday weekend and parliament is in recess so they may just ride it out.

To me this is poor and is adding to the sense of drift at the top but maybe the comfort zone of an 80 seat majority gives them an arrogance that would not normally be there

I have not been contributing much to PB recently as the same polarised arguments are on repeat and it does good just to step away from the keyboard and do something else

This conservative is not content with the leadership, not because they cannot lead, but that they seem to have lost impetus and ambition.

I hope Boris rediscovers his energy and profile soon otherwise maybe time to go on paternity leave

Id forgotten about the paternity, another reason why attacking his workload feels wrong when there are so many other faults.

Perhaps number 10 should have a quiet word with the Coronavirus ask it to lay off for a few weeks until the government is ready to face it again.

If Boris needs a break, he should take it. Frankly Raab was better.

Im not saying dont attack the government or the PM at all. I do both myself.

I am saying attacking a man who has recently been in intensive care and delayed taking his paternity leave for not being able to commit as many hours to the job as normal is a very cheap shot.

Quite right, and its not as if he does anything useful on his rare appearances in any case.

It is his track record of evading scrutiny, hiding in fridges, not a single appearance before the Commons liason Committee etc that makes the #Where'sBoris stick.

The Cummings story fuels a "One rule for them, another for us" theme that so easily goes around when it comes to politicians. I've heard the exact phrase already this morning from someone not usually focused on politics, so it's cutting through.

Either he leaves or he becomes an albatross around Johnson's neck. The pandemic is the defining story of the year at the very least, and this will always be associated with it if he stays.

Foxy said:

kyf_100 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The ratio on this is huge:

https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21

And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.

Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.

The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.

It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.

While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.

That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.

It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.

This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.

Dom didn't break lockdown, he broke quarantine.

Lockdown is for the well, quarantine is for the sick.

Did he have a test that proved positive for coronavirus beforehand? Because unless he did, he broke fuck all not quarantine.

kyf_100 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The ratio on this is huge:

https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21

And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.

Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.

The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.

It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.

While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.

That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.

It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.

This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.

One imagines it is the people who "can't wait for it to be over" who are most outraged when the very architects of lockdown do not follow the rules they foisted on the rest of us. It's not Brexit. It really is about lockdown, or lockdown and hypocrisy. Ask Professor Ferguson or Dr Calderwood, the Scottish CMO.

BluestBlue said:

Foxy said:

kyf_100 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The ratio on this is huge:

https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21

And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.

Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.

The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.

It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.

While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.

That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.

It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.

This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.

Dom didn't break lockdown, he broke quarantine.

Lockdown is for the well, quarantine is for the sick.

Did he have a test that proved positive for coronavirus beforehand? Because unless he did, he broke fuck all not quarantine.

Irrelevant (and of course testing capacity was an issue then).

Quarantine applies to people with symptoms, and the rest of the household. It has never required a positive test.

Indeed enforcing strict quarantine is an essential part of relaxing lockdown.

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

rottenborough said:

Morning all,

If Cummings goes do we then get a Boris who is allowed to finally see sense and extended the transition?

Regardless of Cummings, there is IMO virtually no chance of a WTO Brexit. I predict an extension - perhaps dressed up as a "deal" for political cover.

Nah. The pantomime negotiations are just for a domestic show. The whole cabinet was appointed because they were willing to go to No Deal Brexit. Indeed most are enthusiastic for it.

The No Deal Brexiteers were never the sharpest tools in the box and now these lightweights are are running the country. Heaven help us.

The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.

If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.

If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.

Anabobazina said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Anabobazina said:

Fishing said:

Mysticrose said:

'Stay Home' was a terrible slogan. It induced paranoia and, from that, we now have a massive agoraphobic and haphephobic problem in this country.

I agree.

"Get Fit" would have been much better.

That's the one thing that people can do to reduce their likelihood of dying from coronavirus, and be much less likely to suffer from a whole lot of other diseases as well.

There was an interesting exchange yesterday where I asked a couple of fairly young PBers why they were worried about the risks of Covid-19, when the risks to them are absolutely tiny.

They replied to the effect of that although they accepted their risks of dying were low, they thought their risks of hospitalisation were higher (implied moderate).

Yet those risks are not moderate. They are also extremely low. The overwhelming majority of fit, healthy under 60s have no, few or mild symptoms, even in the unlikely event they catch it in the first place.

Physical fitness is the key to this thing. Yet we have created a situation where people are terrified despite being at very low risk, as @Mysticrose says.

@Black_Rook made the seemingly outrageous claim that more people have already died from falling down the stairs this year than fit and healthy under 40s from Covid-19. I have no idea if that’s true, but I suppose it might be.

It’s likely. Roughly 700 people a year die falling down the stairs. (Roughly 250,000 need to go to A&E each year as a result of such a fall.)

My number one health tip is: use the handrail. I’ve seen the aftermath of a fall of just three steps and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

“Roughly 250,000 need to go to A&E each year as a result of such a fall”

That is an astounding figure. Goodness me.

The interesting thing to me in that is how much higher it is than workplace accidents, compared to the time spent in each place.

Total deaths in "falls from height" in UK in 2018-19 was 40.

Also how well incremental improvement in H&S in the home and medical care works - the number of stair related deaths was 1000+ in 2000.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1264124603410132994

Interesting the flat contradiction of the Guardian/Mirror "Durham Police sources" - someone is telling porkies....

CarlottaVance said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1264124603410132994

Interesting the flat contradiction of the Guardian/Mirror "Durham Police sources" - someone is telling porkies....

I wonder who...

CarlottaVance said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1264124603410132994

Interesting the flat contradiction of the Guardian/Mirror "Durham Police sources" - someone is telling porkies....

Really?

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1264124603410132994

If true the defence seems reasonable but if the police were not involved why is is stated they were

Also the fury coming from people like Blackford, Campbell and others does give the impression they fear him and want him removed.

I expect him to survive, rightly or wrongly, and by the nature of this covid crisis the narrative will move onto something else after this weekend

This does not excuse Boris from disappearing

A key difference between the risks of dying from falling down the stairs and from Covid-19 is that falling down the stairs isn't contagious, while Covid-19 is highly infectious and deadly. Both risks should be managed but they are different.

To put the Covid-19 risk into context, a fatality rate of about 1% would result in a WW2 size death toll in months, if those risks aren't contained. Covid-19 is a deadly disease by any measure. I am in favour of managing those risks in an intelligent way. That might include allowing younger, fitter people to do more activities. I should point out that if the fatality rate of younger people is minimal, given IFR is an average figure, it means the death toll at higher ages is truly horrendous.

Which brings me to Cummings. The story is inaccurately reported, even by the Guardian that broke it. Cummings broke quarantine, not lockdown. He may have knowingly transmitted a deadly and highly contagious disease. Killing his own parents is between him and them. Transmitting the disease to the wider Durham community goes beyond carelessness.

Gallowgate said:

BluestBlue said:

Foxy said:

kyf_100 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The ratio on this is huge:

https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1263946046436184064?s=21

And it, and the comments under it, demonstrate the size of the government’s problem. People are genuinely seething.

Disclosure: I have visited my mum a couple of times, maintaining social distancing at all times. Neither of us were symptomatic and we waited until I had not been in London for weeks before I first saw her. I absolutely do not regret our choices.

The mistake of assuming that twitter = the general public.

It's a very small cross section of mostly anti-Tory, pro-remain, highly politically engaged people who are clearly not Dom's natural constituency.

While my friends skew youngish (20s,30s,40s) and very middle class, I would say that every one of them has broken lockdown by this point.

That's why this is a non-story. About half the country have either broken lockdown themselves or can't wait for it to be over.

It's a small vocal minority that are pushing for Dom's scalp, because he's a Tory and he was the architect of the leave campaign.

This has nothing to do with lockdown. That's just their latest excuse.

Dom didn't break lockdown, he broke quarantine.

Lockdown is for the well, quarantine is for the sick.

Did he have a test that proved positive for coronavirus beforehand? Because unless he did, he broke fuck all not quarantine.

I’m pretty sure the guidance is that if you have coronavirus symptoms you are supposed to stay at home, regardless of whether you have a positive test.

You really will defend the indefensible in the name of your culture war. You’re just as bad as the “FBPE remainer frothers” you deride so much.

You're meant to be a lawyer, aren't you? Good luck proving in a court of law that he specifically had coronavirus - or even its symptoms - before he travelled.

Philip_Thompson said:

The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.

If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.

If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.

Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family 350 miles across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?

Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.

another_richard said:

rottenborough said:

1979 General Election is up and running on BBC Parliament

Anyone know which constituencies had the biggest swings between 1979 and 2019 ?

I'll go for Con to Lab, Hove and Lab to Con, Rother Valley.

I'll change the Con to Lab swing to Bristol West.

Thatcher just arrived at Finchley

contrarian said:

There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.

That bit is completely made up, it seems.

That was indeed the story that Dom made up last night, until he apparently came up with a better one this morning

AlastairMeeks said:

Anabobazina said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Anabobazina said:

Fishing said:

Mysticrose said:

'Stay Home' was a terrible slogan. It induced paranoia and, from that, we now have a massive agoraphobic and haphephobic problem in this country.

I agree.

"Get Fit" would have been much better.

That's the one thing that people can do to reduce their likelihood of dying from coronavirus, and be much less likely to suffer from a whole lot of other diseases as well.

There was an interesting exchange yesterday where I asked a couple of fairly young PBers why they were worried about the risks of Covid-19, when the risks to them are absolutely tiny.

They replied to the effect of that although they accepted their risks of dying were low, they thought their risks of hospitalisation were higher (implied moderate).

Yet those risks are not moderate. They are also extremely low. The overwhelming majority of fit, healthy under 60s have no, few or mild symptoms, even in the unlikely event they catch it in the first place.

Physical fitness is the key to this thing. Yet we have created a situation where people are terrified despite being at very low risk, as @Mysticrose says.

@Black_Rook made the seemingly outrageous claim that more people have already died from falling down the stairs this year than fit and healthy under 40s from Covid-19. I have no idea if that’s true, but I suppose it might be.

It’s likely. Roughly 700 people a year die falling down the stairs. (Roughly 250,000 need to go to A&E each year as a result of such a fall.)

My number one health tip is: use the handrail. I’ve seen the aftermath of a fall of just three steps and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

“Roughly 250,000 need to go to A&E each year as a result of such a fall”

That is an astounding figure. Goodness me.

As I said last week in my thread header, we assess risks by salience not likelihood.

Given the way my hose I built (the bathroom is downstairs and the stairs are pretty steep) I’m probably at some risk of that fate myself, particularly if there is a cat on the stairs that I don’t notice at three in the morning.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1264128114910728193

DougSeal said:

malcolmg said:

Ave_it said:

malcolmg said:

Alistair said:

TGOHF666 said:

Surely the big scandal here is Dom didn’t want social services looking after his kids - doesn’t he think they do a wonderful job ?

Who wouldn’t want the state looking after their kids ?

Valiant effort

Harry is really struggling on his own today.

Are you on your second bottle already today Malcolm? 😄

Jog on loser

Perhaps Ave It and myself should start a running club?

YOU LOOKING FOR A "FRIEND"

FF43 said:

A key difference between the risks of dying from falling down the stairs and from Covid-19 is that falling down the stairs isn't contagious, while Covid-19 is highly infectious and deadly. Both risks should be managed but they are different.

To put the Covid-19 risk into context, a fatality rate of about 1% would result in a WW2 size death toll in months, if those risks aren't contained. Covid-19 is a deadly disease by any measure. I am in favour of managing those risks in an intelligent way. That might include allowing younger, fitter people to do more activities. I should point out that if the fatality rate of younger people is minimal, given IFR is an average figure, it means the death toll at higher ages is truly horrendous.

Which brings me to Cummings. The story is inaccurately reported, even by the Guardian that broke it. Cummings broke quarantine, not lockdown. He may have knowingly transmitted a deadly and highly contagious disease. Killing his own parents is between him and them. Transmitting the disease to the wider Durham community goes beyond carelessness.

But if he and the child self isolated and his sister brought their food to the door, not entering, how did anyone get infected or even exposed?

Scott_xP said:

contrarian said:

There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.

That bit is completely made up, it seems.

That was indeed the story that Dom made up last night, until he apparently came up with a better one this morning

No that was the story the press made up isn't it?

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1264120150556622848

Surely "at home" does mean your own home? If I were visiting my parents and someone asked me where I was I wouldn't say "I'm at home." So the government lied.

DavidL said:

FF43 said:

A key difference between the risks of dying from falling down the stairs and from Covid-19 is that falling down the stairs isn't contagious, while Covid-19 is highly infectious and deadly. Both risks should be managed but they are different.

To put the Covid-19 risk into context, a fatality rate of about 1% would result in a WW2 size death toll in months, if those risks aren't contained. Covid-19 is a deadly disease by any measure. I am in favour of managing those risks in an intelligent way. That might include allowing younger, fitter people to do more activities. I should point out that if the fatality rate of younger people is minimal, given IFR is an average figure, it means the death toll at higher ages is truly horrendous.

Which brings me to Cummings. The story is inaccurately reported, even by the Guardian that broke it. Cummings broke quarantine, not lockdown. He may have knowingly transmitted a deadly and highly contagious disease. Killing his own parents is between him and them. Transmitting the disease to the wider Durham community goes beyond carelessness.

But if he and the child self isolated and his sister brought their food to the door, not entering, how did anyone get infected or even exposed?

If wor Dom was a normal person, I would be totally fine with what he did on a moral level. I wouldn’t give two sh*ts. He’s not a normal person though, he works for the Government, who specifically implemented policies designed to STOP people doing this. This is a classic case of one rule for the plebs and another rule for the ruling class.

noneoftheabove said:

Philip_Thompson said:

The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.

If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.

If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.

Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family 350 miles across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?

Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.

They're saying they didn't stay with grandparents.

contrarian said:

No that was the story the press made up isn't it?

It was the story Dom made up that the press tweeted in his behalf

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1263914724305055745

noneoftheabove said:

Jonathan said:

noneoftheabove said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/TomSwarbrick1/status/1264110586641682433

Sincerely, I think he should be given some latitude on his workload given his health. There are other sticks to attack him with.

I have said for some time that Boris is not well and his reputation for going into hibernation is not helping. Cummings should go or be sacked but this is a bank holiday weekend and parliament is in recess so they may just ride it out.

To me this is poor and is adding to the sense of drift at the top but maybe the comfort zone of an 80 seat majority gives them an arrogance that would not normally be there

I have not been contributing much to PB recently as the same polarised arguments are on repeat and it does good just to step away from the keyboard and do something else

This conservative is not content with the leadership, not because they cannot lead, but that they seem to have lost impetus and ambition.

I hope Boris rediscovers his energy and profile soon otherwise maybe time to go on paternity leave

Id forgotten about the paternity, another reason why attacking his workload feels wrong when there are so many other faults.

Perhaps number 10 should have a quiet word with the Coronavirus ask it to lay off for a few weeks until the government is ready to face it again.

If Boris needs a break, he should take it. Frankly Raab was better.

Im not saying dont attack the government or the PM at all. I do both myself.

I am saying attacking a man who has recently been in intensive care and delayed taking his paternity leave for not being able to commit as many hours to the job as normal is a very cheap shot.

garbage he has been on almost permanent paternity / sick leave / holidays , be lucky if he has done a weeks work since election. Lazy useless slob, at least May turned up for work.

Gallowgate said:

DavidL said:

FF43 said:

A key difference between the risks of dying from falling down the stairs and from Covid-19 is that falling down the stairs isn't contagious, while Covid-19 is highly infectious and deadly. Both risks should be managed but they are different.

To put the Covid-19 risk into context, a fatality rate of about 1% would result in a WW2 size death toll in months, if those risks aren't contained. Covid-19 is a deadly disease by any measure. I am in favour of managing those risks in an intelligent way. That might include allowing younger, fitter people to do more activities. I should point out that if the fatality rate of younger people is minimal, given IFR is an average figure, it means the death toll at higher ages is truly horrendous.

Which brings me to Cummings. The story is inaccurately reported, even by the Guardian that broke it. Cummings broke quarantine, not lockdown. He may have knowingly transmitted a deadly and highly contagious disease. Killing his own parents is between him and them. Transmitting the disease to the wider Durham community goes beyond carelessness.

But if he and the child self isolated and his sister brought their food to the door, not entering, how did anyone get infected or even exposed?

If wor Dom was a normal person, I would be totally fine with what he did on a moral level. I wouldn’t give two sh*ts. He’s not a normal person though, he works for the Government, who specifically implemented policies designed to STOP people doing this. This is a classic case of one rule for the plebs and another rule for the ruling class.

That's undeniably true. But is working for the government, as opposed to being Professor Lockdown, enough?

Gallowgate said:

DavidL said:

FF43 said:

A key difference between the risks of dying from falling down the stairs and from Covid-19 is that falling down the stairs isn't contagious, while Covid-19 is highly infectious and deadly. Both risks should be managed but they are different.

To put the Covid-19 risk into context, a fatality rate of about 1% would result in a WW2 size death toll in months, if those risks aren't contained. Covid-19 is a deadly disease by any measure. I am in favour of managing those risks in an intelligent way. That might include allowing younger, fitter people to do more activities. I should point out that if the fatality rate of younger people is minimal, given IFR is an average figure, it means the death toll at higher ages is truly horrendous.

Which brings me to Cummings. The story is inaccurately reported, even by the Guardian that broke it. Cummings broke quarantine, not lockdown. He may have knowingly transmitted a deadly and highly contagious disease. Killing his own parents is between him and them. Transmitting the disease to the wider Durham community goes beyond carelessness.

But if he and the child self isolated and his sister brought their food to the door, not entering, how did anyone get infected or even exposed?

If wor Dom was a normal person, I would be totally fine with what he did on a moral level. I wouldn’t give two sh*ts. He’s not a normal person though, he works for the Government, who specifically implemented policies designed to STOP people doing this. This is a classic case of one rule for the plebs and another rule for the ruling class.

If its fine for normal people its fine for others too.

Philip_Thompson said:

Gallowgate said:

DavidL said:

FF43 said:

A key difference between the risks of dying from falling down the stairs and from Covid-19 is that falling down the stairs isn't contagious, while Covid-19 is highly infectious and deadly. Both risks should be managed but they are different.

To put the Covid-19 risk into context, a fatality rate of about 1% would result in a WW2 size death toll in months, if those risks aren't contained. Covid-19 is a deadly disease by any measure. I am in favour of managing those risks in an intelligent way. That might include allowing younger, fitter people to do more activities. I should point out that if the fatality rate of younger people is minimal, given IFR is an average figure, it means the death toll at higher ages is truly horrendous.

Which brings me to Cummings. The story is inaccurately reported, even by the Guardian that broke it. Cummings broke quarantine, not lockdown. He may have knowingly transmitted a deadly and highly contagious disease. Killing his own parents is between him and them. Transmitting the disease to the wider Durham community goes beyond carelessness.

But if he and the child self isolated and his sister brought their food to the door, not entering, how did anyone get infected or even exposed?

If wor Dom was a normal person, I would be totally fine with what he did on a moral level. I wouldn’t give two sh*ts. He’s not a normal person though, he works for the Government, who specifically implemented policies designed to STOP people doing this. This is a classic case of one rule for the plebs and another rule for the ruling class.

If its fine for normal people its fine for others too.

I’ve explained why it isn’t, which you’ve conveniently ignored for ideological reasons.

Scott_xP said:

contrarian said:

No that was the story the press made up isn't it?

It was the story Dom made up that the press tweeted in his behalf

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1263914724305055745

Scott_xP said:

contrarian said:

No that was the story the press made up isn't it?

It was the story Dom made up that the press tweeted in his behalf

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1263914724305055745

You don't actually know anything about who, if anybody, briefed that journalist, do you? Or if that journalist, desperate as they all are not to be scooped, just made it up.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1264124603410132994

My solicitor (the one who gets me off speeding offences) once told me that too many details are a "lie signifier".

another_richard said:

rottenborough said:

1979 General Election is up and running on BBC Parliament

Anyone know which constituencies had the biggest swings between 1979 and 2019 ?
I'll go for Con to Lab, Hove and Lab to Con, Rother Valley.
I'll change the Con to Lab swing to Bristol West.

Very different boundaries in Bristol West.

contrarian said:

You don't actually know anything about who, if anybody, briefed that journalist, do you? Or if that journalist, desperate as they all are not to be scooped, just made it up.

LOL

Everybody knows exactly who briefed that journalist.

Incidentally, I don't think it's much of a problem for Boris if Cumming does go.

He can still meet him and give advice behind the scenes, and a different CoS in No.10 might improve things anyway.

rottenborough said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1264128184343289856

I think we are in semantics maybe. The statement says police did not speak, but police say they "attended" a property.

Looks like the Guardian may have over-egged their pudding - the direct quote:

“Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house.

“In line with national policing guidance, officers explained to the family the guidelines around self-isolation and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/22/dominic-cummings-durham-trip-coronavirus-lockdown

In all the kerfuffle on this thread the only post of merit is Andrew Adonis's (HYUFD, 10:27), namely that we should be looking at China/HK, not Cummings's escapade.

Andy_Cooke said:

another_richard said:

HYUFD said:

Voters relationships have improved but they have gained weight.

The government gets positive marks for reducing the spread and preventing the NHS being overwhelmed but negative marks for providing enough PPE and testing and on care homes.

Sunak, Raab, Boris and Hancock all get net positive marks but Hunt, Gove and Patel net negatives.

53% think the Government is reopening too fast, 30% about the right time, 11% too slowly

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8349223/Coronaphobia-grips-nation-Britons-fear-lockdown-eased-rapidly.html

What should be polled is:

How much extra tax are you willing to pay in order to stay under lockdown for longer ?

And how much extra tax are you willing to pay to exit lockdown sooner?

Lockdown doesn't exist anymore. Just who exactly is "locked down" ?

What we have is a phased re-opening plan, and social distancing in public.

PS. No-one takes this "just one parent" - the stupidest of the stupid - rule seriously.

I don't. And I meeting both together today.

https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1264130518041444352

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1264119291361857537

I bet Piers Morgan and JHB (and others) have already done this.

contrarian said:

noneoftheabove said:

Philip_Thompson said:

The issue for the public isn't who loves Dom. Its who loves their children.

If people think that this is hypocrisy then they'll be unforgiving.

If people think this was done in good faith to look after children and they'd have done the same thing then it will blow over besides people who hate Dom.

Do they love their parents? Seriously who on earth takes a (potentially) infected covid family halfway across the country to stay with elderly grandparents?

Incredibly selfish and nothing to do with the children who could have been looked after by their aunt.

There is no suggestion at all that Cummings, his sister , his wife or his children came into contact with the elderly grandparents.

That bit is completely made up, it seems.

It is funny that the people who are most animated about Dom's little excursion are the ones who had the biggest axe to grind with him in the first place, no?

I highly doubt he visited Durham to take a tour of the cathedral, so what he did or didn't do was undoubtedly decided in the best interests of his family and young child and, if his grandparents were involved, with their consent.

This is not about what Dom did or didn't do to protect his family. It's about the people he's been running rings around - remainers and lefties - for years - finally seeing this as an opportunity for revenge.

Go nuts, people. Enjoy your revenge. But enjoy it for what it is. A brutal, tribal welp that one of your enemies has broken a trivial rule (no police action taken) and now you get to hop on the outrage bandwagon.

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1264064020656644096?s=20

Xi is an evil c*nt.

He should be treated like Stalin.

Casino_Royale said:

Incidentally, I don't think it's much of a problem for Boris if Cumming does go.

He can still meet him and give advice behind the scenes, and a different CoS in No.10 might improve things anyway.

It’s not like a resignation in politics is automatically permanent!

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1264130518041444352

Nowhere in the second quote does it say they stayed in London. And if Dom did get so sick then presumably its good for the child/children they were somewhere they had access to childcare and support?

Philip_Thompson said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cummings will have to go, but he'll need to be dragged out whilst he clings on with his fingernails.

The trouble is, if he doesn't, the Government's whole lockdown message dissolves instantly.

We've now had a series of top advisors in Government personally ignore their own advice, and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the public.

"Looking after children" - if that is what it was, will dissolve the lockdown?

Which part of your precious guidelines state that it’s okay to travel 250 miles to look after your children in your second home in Durham rather than in London?

noneoftheabove said:

rottenborough said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1264128184343289856

I think we are in semantics maybe. The statement says police did not speak, but police say they "attended" a property.

Were the police using sign language? Couldnt get in? Not sure why they would attend but not speak?

Me neither. The story has more to unfold I suspect. Can't wait for the Sunday papers.

BluestBlue said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1264119291361857537

Bloody hell - Piers Morgan is as deluded about who won the last election as good old Jezza was.

I notice how your response to every bit of criticism is simply “who won the last election though?” You’re a troll and nothing more.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1264123880626585602

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1264124152501370882

Yet his wife said he had collapsed in front of her at their London home, sounds like both tell whoppers.