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Not sureMysticrose said:
It wouldn't have looked good. I expect that's why. He'd have got there faster in his PM car.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital
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I don't think there is a problem of ventilator capacity, not yet anyway.Mysticrose said:By the way, if anyone still has access to today's Sunday Times then Tim Shipman's piece on page 11 is well worth a read. If you want to know why Johnson probably doesn't dare take his hand off the tiller, it's because there are a dozen wannabe skippers on board who are at one another's throats. I particularly enjoyed the account of how Michael Gove ripped Matt Hancock apart in Cabinet over ventilators. It sounded pure Gove: on top of all the facts. And pure Hancock: vacuous.
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JackW thinks (?thought) that Jacobites can accept the legitimacy of the present lot, for reasons which escape me.Benpointer said:
Speaking of JackW... when did we last hear?0 -
Wonder how he got there? You wouldn't want to his chauffeur driver would you?Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital
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Freudian slipIshmaelZ said:
Just to preserve your original typo...HYUFD said:
To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a majority but only 57% of Labour votersnichomar said:
Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldntHYUFD said:
Monarchy = One Nation ConservatismSunil_Prasannan said:
Monarchy = Socialism?TheScreamingEagles said:It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.
https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/1 -
Where on earth do you pull these numbers from?eadric said:RobD said:
It must be bad.Scott_xP said:
The Sunday times article today implied that he was a lot worse than they were letting on.
Christ.
As a somewhat overweight 50-something male he has about a 3% chance of dying and a 5-10% chance of being incapacitated for months if not forever
It’s grim but there it is.
PM raab? God help us. Rise up pm Sunak.
--AS
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Secret tunnels, perhaps?GIN1138 said:
Wonder how he got there? You wouldn't want to his chauffeur driver would you?Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital
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Boris bus?GIN1138 said:
Wonder how he got there? You wouldn't want to his chauffeur driver would you?Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital
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No as more Conservative voters than Labour voters support the monarchySunil_Prasannan said:
A majority of Labour voters support the monarchy. Ergo,HYUFD said:
To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour votersnichomar said:
Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldntHYUFD said:
Monarchy = One Nation ConservatismSunil_Prasannan said:
Monarchy = Socialism?TheScreamingEagles said:It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.
https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!0 -
The only one I'd have any confidence in while the 'plague' lasts would be Hunt. He knows how the Far East dealt with SARS-COV-1, i.e. 2002-04 and now SARS-COV-2 off by heart. He said in public weeks ago that the UK response was wrong. If one still has leadership ambitions, one doesn't do that unless one knows one's subject better than the government does.RochdalePioneers said:If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?
Also Hunt looks a healthy weight. Obese MPs should speak to Tom Watson ex-MP on how he regained his health and cured his diabetes. It's not rocket science and diabetes is a major risk factor with COVID-19. I hope Johnson recovers but I think Macmillan ended his career as PM because of a health scare.1 -
This conservative supports the Queen but has big doubts after she passes about the monarchyHYUFD said:
I never said I was trying to 'capture it for political gain', I just made the factual point Tory voters are significantly more likely to support the monarchy than Labour voters, even if a majority of both still support the monarchynichomar said:
You do the monarchy a disservice trying to capture it for political gain.HYUFD said:
To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour votersnichomar said:
Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldntHYUFD said:
Monarchy = One Nation ConservatismSunil_Prasannan said:
Monarchy = Socialism?TheScreamingEagles said:It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.
https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/0 -
My god.Benpointer said:Not sure if this was noted earlier but Dominic Cummings' uncle has died of Covid-19.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/apr/05/retired-senior-judge-sir-john-laws-dies-after-contracting-coronavirus
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Many more people are going into hospital than will go into intensive care or die.Foxy said:
No there is more to it than that. There is a need to measure inflammatory markers, renal function, blood oxygenation, CT scans of chest etc etc. Specific therapy is speculative and experimental but supportive therapy is more than hot broth.IanB2 said:
The tweet breaking the news mentions tests. But there isn’t any treatment. You are sedated, put on a ventilator to manage your breathing, lied face down, and hopefully your own immune system deals with the virus. The only test is the antigen test.RobD said:
Edit/ or a lung x-ray to judge condition, I guess.1 -
Well it might explain the remarkable resilience of China outside Hubei to the virus...Mysticrose said:
The truly Machiavellian part would be if the lab also had the vaccine. Wait until the world is fucked then everyone is in your pocket.eadric said:As I have been saying for three months.
It came from the lab.
https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21
But that's probably a step too far even for conspiracists.
I'm inclined to agree with you about the possibility of a lab leak. Takes me back to that horrific incident of the last smallpox case in Britain.
If anyone doesn't know the story and how it leaked from the lab to kill Janet Parker via the ventilation system then it's worth a read:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-451010910 -
I am not sure Lord Justice Laws would particularly approve of that moniker!Benpointer said:Not sure if this was noted earlier but Dominic Cummings' uncle has died of Covid-19.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/apr/05/retired-senior-judge-sir-john-laws-dies-after-contracting-coronavirus
But yes, probably the most senior member of the legal sector to die so far.0 -
To be fair all those of us to discuss this have expressed our good wishes. Nevertheless we surely have to look at the possibilities?squareroot2 said:
I do so hate people surmising what ifs if someone were to die.. its nasty.RochdalePioneers said:
I missed that conversation, and the context has changed since. The PM could be dead by the time 24 hours have passed since then. Appointing a successor quickly would be critical.Mysticrose said:
Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.RobD said:
That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.RochdalePioneers said:If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?
Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
When I asked this morning if there was a market on his successor I did so very carefully and I haven't betted myself as I couldn't bring myself to.
I wish him speedy and full recovery. And Carrie and their child.0 -
If he hd been taken in an ambulance we would have been expecting the worst...Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital
There are a significant amount of people who are really unwell for 3 weeks and make full recoveries....
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On a lighter note, proud, very proud.
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This conservative supports the monarchy even if the crown passes to Prince Andrew (though preferring it ultimately goes to Wills and Kate)Big_G_NorthWales said:
This conservative supports the Queen but has big doubts after she passes about the monarchyHYUFD said:
I never said I was trying to 'capture it for political gain', I just made the factual point Tory voters are significantly more likely to support the monarchy than Labour voters, even if a majority of both still support the monarchynichomar said:
You do the monarchy a disservice trying to capture it for political gain.HYUFD said:
To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour votersnichomar said:
Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldntHYUFD said:
Monarchy = One Nation ConservatismSunil_Prasannan said:
Monarchy = Socialism?TheScreamingEagles said:It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.
https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/0 -
The mystery on the UK figures is why so tiny a number of recoveries. Are we that short of testing capacity now?Chris said:
Many more people are going into hospital than will go into intensive care or die.Foxy said:
No there is more to it than that. There is a need to measure inflammatory markers, renal function, blood oxygenation, CT scans of chest etc etc. Specific therapy is speculative and experimental but supportive therapy is more than hot broth.IanB2 said:
The tweet breaking the news mentions tests. But there isn’t any treatment. You are sedated, put on a ventilator to manage your breathing, lied face down, and hopefully your own immune system deals with the virus. The only test is the antigen test.RobD said:
Edit/ or a lung x-ray to judge condition, I guess.0 -
Sir, you should know that on pb.com, there is nothing too daft to be pedantic about!MyBurningEars said:
Agree 100% with the sentiment but I do think it needs to be "wringer", I had a horrible vision of her being transformed into electrical signals and sent down miles of copper telephony wire which might be even more ghastly than the mangle itself.MarqueeMark said:Spare a thought for Carrie. She must be going through the ringer right now.
Daft thing to be pedantic about, I know. Sincerely hope she is doing okay.1 -
They just aren't updating those numbers publicly.IanB2 said:
The mystery on the UK figures is why so tiny a number of recoveries. Are we that short of testing capacity now?Chris said:
Many more people are going into hospital than will go into intensive care or die.Foxy said:
No there is more to it than that. There is a need to measure inflammatory markers, renal function, blood oxygenation, CT scans of chest etc etc. Specific therapy is speculative and experimental but supportive therapy is more than hot broth.IanB2 said:
The tweet breaking the news mentions tests. But there isn’t any treatment. You are sedated, put on a ventilator to manage your breathing, lied face down, and hopefully your own immune system deals with the virus. The only test is the antigen test.RobD said:
Edit/ or a lung x-ray to judge condition, I guess.0 -
Isn't it more like he's quoting himself as a credible source?DougSeal said:
You’re quoting PJW as a credible source for this?eadric said:As I have been saying for three months.
It came from the lab.
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I thought it was in his second reign as PMGIN1138 said:
Didn't Churchill have a stroke in the middle of WWII (but no one knew about it at the time) ?dr_spyn said:MacMillan, Eden both hospitalised at some point in their Premierships for surgery and indisposed for a while.
Blair had a heart murmur, Mrs Thatcher a cataract operation. Can't think of other PMs out of action due to illness since Eden.0
