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  • Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital

    It wouldn't have looked good. I expect that's why. He'd have got there faster in his PM car.
    Not sure
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    By the way, if anyone still has access to today's Sunday Times then Tim Shipman's piece on page 11 is well worth a read. If you want to know why Johnson probably doesn't dare take his hand off the tiller, it's because there are a dozen wannabe skippers on board who are at one another's throats. I particularly enjoyed the account of how Michael Gove ripped Matt Hancock apart in Cabinet over ventilators. It sounded pure Gove: on top of all the facts. And pure Hancock: vacuous.

    I don't think there is a problem of ventilator capacity, not yet anyway.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Queen to announce tomorrow that she will become PM.

    She's been playing the long game.
    I always suspected the Royals never reconciled to the revolution of 1689.
    Surely the current lot are - they wouldn't be on the throne if it weren't for the 1689 revolution.
    JackW thinks (?thought) that Jacobites can accept the legitimacy of the present lot, for reasons which escape me.

    Speaking of JackW... when did we last hear?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291

    Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital

    Wonder how he got there? You wouldn't want to his chauffeur driver would you?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a majority but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
    Just to preserve your original typo...
    Freudian slip
  • eadric said:

    RobD said:

    The Sunday times article today implied that he was a lot worse than they were letting on.

    Christ.

    As a somewhat overweight 50-something male he has about a 3% chance of dying and a 5-10% chance of being incapacitated for months if not forever

    It’s grim but there it is.

    PM raab? God help us. Rise up pm Sunak.
    Where on earth do you pull these numbers from?

    --AS

  • NEW THREAD

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    GIN1138 said:

    Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital

    Wonder how he got there? You wouldn't want to his chauffeur driver would you?
    Secret tunnels, perhaps? :D
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    GIN1138 said:

    Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital

    Wonder how he got there? You wouldn't want to his chauffeur driver would you?
    Boris bus?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
    A majority of Labour voters support the monarchy. Ergo,

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No as more Conservative voters than Labour voters support the monarchy
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    The only one I'd have any confidence in while the 'plague' lasts would be Hunt. He knows how the Far East dealt with SARS-COV-1, i.e. 2002-04 and now SARS-COV-2 off by heart. He said in public weeks ago that the UK response was wrong. If one still has leadership ambitions, one doesn't do that unless one knows one's subject better than the government does.

    Also Hunt looks a healthy weight. Obese MPs should speak to Tom Watson ex-MP on how he regained his health and cured his diabetes. It's not rocket science and diabetes is a major risk factor with COVID-19. I hope Johnson recovers but I think Macmillan ended his career as PM because of a health scare.
  • HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
    You do the monarchy a disservice trying to capture it for political gain.
    I never said I was trying to 'capture it for political gain', I just made the factual point Tory voters are significantly more likely to support the monarchy than Labour voters, even if a majority of both still support the monarchy
    This conservative supports the Queen but has big doubts after she passes about the monarchy
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720

    Not sure if this was noted earlier but Dominic Cummings' uncle has died of Covid-19.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/apr/05/retired-senior-judge-sir-john-laws-dies-after-contracting-coronavirus

    My god.

  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Jonathan said:
    Why? He wants a negative test. What other tests are there?
    What has this got to do with testing? He's clearly going in because he has not improved.
    The tweet breaking the news mentions tests. But there isn’t any treatment. You are sedated, put on a ventilator to manage your breathing, lied face down, and hopefully your own immune system deals with the virus. The only test is the antigen test.

    Edit/ or a lung x-ray to judge condition, I guess.
    No there is more to it than that. There is a need to measure inflammatory markers, renal function, blood oxygenation, CT scans of chest etc etc. Specific therapy is speculative and experimental but supportive therapy is more than hot broth.
    Many more people are going into hospital than will go into intensive care or die.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    eadric said:

    As I have been saying for three months.

    It came from the lab.

    https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21

    The truly Machiavellian part would be if the lab also had the vaccine. Wait until the world is fucked then everyone is in your pocket.

    But that's probably a step too far even for conspiracists.

    I'm inclined to agree with you about the possibility of a lab leak. Takes me back to that horrific incident of the last smallpox case in Britain.

    If anyone doesn't know the story and how it leaked from the lab to kill Janet Parker via the ventilation system then it's worth a read:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-45101091

    Well it might explain the remarkable resilience of China outside Hubei to the virus...
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Not sure if this was noted earlier but Dominic Cummings' uncle has died of Covid-19.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/apr/05/retired-senior-judge-sir-john-laws-dies-after-contracting-coronavirus

    I am not sure Lord Justice Laws would particularly approve of that moniker!

    But yes, probably the most senior member of the legal sector to die so far.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    RobD said:

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
    Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.

    Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
    I missed that conversation, and the context has changed since. The PM could be dead by the time 24 hours have passed since then. Appointing a successor quickly would be critical.
    I do so hate people surmising what ifs if someone were to die.. its nasty.
    To be fair all those of us to discuss this have expressed our good wishes. Nevertheless we surely have to look at the possibilities?

    When I asked this morning if there was a market on his successor I did so very carefully and I haven't betted myself as I couldn't bring myself to.

    I wish him speedy and full recovery. And Carrie and their child.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital

    If he hd been taken in an ambulance we would have been expecting the worst...

    There are a significant amount of people who are really unwell for 3 weeks and make full recoveries....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited April 2020

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
    You do the monarchy a disservice trying to capture it for political gain.
    I never said I was trying to 'capture it for political gain', I just made the factual point Tory voters are significantly more likely to support the monarchy than Labour voters, even if a majority of both still support the monarchy
    This conservative supports the Queen but has big doubts after she passes about the monarchy
    This conservative supports the monarchy even if the crown passes to Prince Andrew (though preferring it ultimately goes to Wills and Kate)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Chris said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Jonathan said:
    Why? He wants a negative test. What other tests are there?
    What has this got to do with testing? He's clearly going in because he has not improved.
    The tweet breaking the news mentions tests. But there isn’t any treatment. You are sedated, put on a ventilator to manage your breathing, lied face down, and hopefully your own immune system deals with the virus. The only test is the antigen test.

    Edit/ or a lung x-ray to judge condition, I guess.
    No there is more to it than that. There is a need to measure inflammatory markers, renal function, blood oxygenation, CT scans of chest etc etc. Specific therapy is speculative and experimental but supportive therapy is more than hot broth.
    Many more people are going into hospital than will go into intensive care or die.
    The mystery on the UK figures is why so tiny a number of recoveries. Are we that short of testing capacity now?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Spare a thought for Carrie. She must be going through the ringer right now.

    Agree 100% with the sentiment but I do think it needs to be "wringer", I had a horrible vision of her being transformed into electrical signals and sent down miles of copper telephony wire which might be even more ghastly than the mangle itself.

    Daft thing to be pedantic about, I know. Sincerely hope she is doing okay.
    Sir, you should know that on pb.com, there is nothing too daft to be pedantic about!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    IanB2 said:

    Chris said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Jonathan said:
    Why? He wants a negative test. What other tests are there?
    What has this got to do with testing? He's clearly going in because he has not improved.
    The tweet breaking the news mentions tests. But there isn’t any treatment. You are sedated, put on a ventilator to manage your breathing, lied face down, and hopefully your own immune system deals with the virus. The only test is the antigen test.

    Edit/ or a lung x-ray to judge condition, I guess.
    No there is more to it than that. There is a need to measure inflammatory markers, renal function, blood oxygenation, CT scans of chest etc etc. Specific therapy is speculative and experimental but supportive therapy is more than hot broth.
    Many more people are going into hospital than will go into intensive care or die.
    The mystery on the UK figures is why so tiny a number of recoveries. Are we that short of testing capacity now?
    They just aren't updating those numbers publicly.
  • DougSeal said:

    eadric said:

    As I have been saying for three months.

    It came from the lab.

    https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21

    You’re quoting PJW as a credible source for this?
    Isn't it more like he's quoting himself as a credible source?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,037
    Calderwood resigned
  • davidcdavidc Posts: 13
    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    MacMillan, Eden both hospitalised at some point in their Premierships for surgery and indisposed for a while.

    Blair had a heart murmur, Mrs Thatcher a cataract operation. Can't think of other PMs out of action due to illness since Eden.

    Didn't Churchill have a stroke in the middle of WWII (but no one knew about it at the time) ?
    I thought it was in his second reign as PM
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