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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Alistair said:

    Kind of making a mockery of the 7 day isolation.
    Well obviously if you still have symptoms you stay in isolation.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,243
    edited April 2020

    Her Maj was lovely.

    "Quiet, good humoured resolve".

    The Brits in a nutshell.
    'No, this is me in a nutshell: "Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? What kind of shell has a nut like this?"'
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    eadric said:

    I think that’s it for Boris as pm. Most people get better but once you’ve been in hospital you get better Sloooooowly

    Yep forget the flannel about it being 'for tests.' He's clearly not in good shape.

    I wish him full recovery.

    How ironic that just as our 93 year old Queen addresses the nation our PM is hospitalised.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    eadric said:

    I think that’s it for Boris as pm. Most people get better but once you’ve been in hospital you get better Sloooooowly

    I would suggest we stay calm at this moment
    I think we’re calm. But let’s face it, if this is what they are telling us the truth is a couple of notches more serious.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Jonathan said:

    alex_ said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Jonathan said:
    Why? He wants a negative test. What other tests are there?
    What has this got to do with testing? He's clearly going in because he has not improved.
    I think it was a reference to “admitted for tests
    A chest X-ray/ ct?
    I think it is just routine minimising talk (also used whenever the D of E goes to hospital). In reality you don't go to hospital at short notice on a Sunday "for tests," you go because you are bloody ill.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    edited April 2020

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    You don’t plough through Coronavirus. So, is Raab in charge now?

    Well, PM's have been ill before and they don't replace them just because they are out of it for a bit.

    Hmmm ... this isn't the time for bluster and glossing over. If he has been admitted to hospital he's obviously pretty ill.
    I wasn't suggesting bluster, just that even if he is incapable of governing there would be no need to appoint a new PM as the Cabinet have already been informed who will lead their response should Boris be incapacitated. Therefore there is no confusion over who should direct Cabinet directing the rest of us whilst Boris is out of action.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Alistair said:

    Kind of making a mockery of the 7 day isolation.
    Except he was in isolation....
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    Remember the scene at the end of Mars Attacks where the President's teenage daughter is the last man standing and becomes President.. ?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Best wishes to Boris for a speedy recovery
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,936
    Excellent speech by The Queen. And hope the Boris move is just precautionary.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717

    Remember the scene at the end of Mars Attacks where the President's teenage daughter is the last man standing and becomes President.. ?

    Is that how that movie ended?! Blimey, it has been awhile since I saw it.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Remember the scene at the end of Mars Attacks where the President's teenage daughter is the last man standing and becomes President.. ?

    RT Hon. Dilyn Johnson PM?
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:
    Yup - that does not sound good. Best wishes to him.

    This may be a bit tactless at this point - but if we are going to criticise the Scottish CMO for not following her guidance, the same criticism could surely be made of the PM, the Health Secretary and Dr Whitty, all of whom have appeared in pretty close proximity to each other.

    Anyway I hope Boris makes a speedy and full recovery.
    Wrong - quite a lot tactless to be frank.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    Alistair said:

    Kind of making a mockery of the 7 day isolation.
    It does indeed, though there is some uncertainty as to how much live virus as opposed to viral antigen.
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    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    I think that’s it for Boris as pm. Most people get better but once you’ve been in hospital you get better Sloooooowly

    I would suggest we stay calm at this moment
    I think we’re calm. But let’s face it, if this is what they are telling us the truth is a couple of notches more serious.
    It is serious and it does concern me and I worry for Carrie

    However, it is not the time to write him off
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    dodradedodrade Posts: 595
    Alistair said:

    Kind of making a mockery of the 7 day isolation.
    That applies only if you are no longer showing symptoms, the PM was still ill so stayed in isolation. Frankly he looked rather peaky on twitter and at the door of No.10 on thursday, I pray it doesn't get any serious.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,253

    eadric said:

    I think that’s it for Boris as pm. Most people get better but once you’ve been in hospital you get better Sloooooowly

    Yep forget the flannel about it being 'for tests.' He's clearly not in good shape.

    I wish him full recovery.

    How ironic that just as our 93 year old Queen addresses the nation our PM is hospitalised.
    He’s a sad advertisement for the risks of not taking the guidance seriously. Let’s hope he recovers.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited April 2020

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    I think that’s it for Boris as pm. Most people get better but once you’ve been in hospital you get better Sloooooowly

    I would suggest we stay calm at this moment
    I think we’re calm. But let’s face it, if this is what they are telling us the truth is a couple of notches more serious.
    It is serious and it does concern me and I worry for Carrie

    However, it is not the time to write him off
    Anyone else would stop working and take a break. I certainly would. A good long one. I hope sanity prevails and he does the same. You do not plough through Coronavirus.

    He was ill advised to work last week.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    I think that’s it for Boris as pm. Most people get better but once you’ve been in hospital you get better Sloooooowly

    Yep forget the flannel about it being 'for tests.' He's clearly not in good shape.

    I wish him full recovery.

    How ironic that just as our 93 year old Queen addresses the nation our PM is hospitalised.
    He’s a sad advertisement for the risks of not taking the guidance seriously. Let’s hope he recovers.
    Well said.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    You don’t plough through Coronavirus. So, is Raab in charge now?

    Well, PM's have been ill before and they don't replace them just because they are out of it for a bit.

    So long as it is clear to the Cabinet who is first among them if the PM is incapacitated - which it doubly is here since not only is Raab First Secretary of State they've actually told us he is the choice - then presumably they are able to function and there is no need to officially appoint him to any new position. So whether he is in charge I guess depends if Boris now counts as incapacitated.
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    You don’t plough through Coronavirus. So, is Raab in charge now?

    Well, PM's have been ill before and they don't replace them just because they are out of it for a bit.

    So long as it is clear to the Cabinet who is first among them if the PM is incapacitated - which it doubly is here since not only is Raab First Secretary of State they've actually told us he is the choice - then presumably they are able to function and there is no need to officially appoint him to any new position. So whether he is in charge I guess depends if Boris now counts as incapacitated.
    Given he has nothing else to do unlike the other key players he’s the right choice as long as he sticks within his abilities.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    edited April 2020
    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:
    This may be a bit tactless at this point - but if we are going to criticise the Scottish CMO for not following her guidance, the same criticism could surely be made of the PM, the Health Secretary and Dr Whitty, all of whom have appeared in pretty close proximity to each other.
    I don't think the situations are of similar seriousness at all. Particular in the earlier days of this situation they, like many leaders and health professionals, will have been in pretty close contact with each other and a lot of others, but quite clearly adjusted what they were doing as they told the public what to do. It could be argued, perhaps not conclusively but at least argued, that in the earlier stages they needed some face to face time to coordinate things, particularly until everyone had their technological options in place. The CMO repeatedly acted contrary to her own message for no good reason that can be established. So no, I don't think the same criticism can be applied to anywhere near the same degree.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    edited April 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane run a country?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,475
    edited April 2020

    Her Maj was lovely.

    "Quiet, good humoured resolve".

    The Brits in a nutshell.
    'No, this is me in a nutshell: "Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? What kind of shell has a nut like this?"'
    “ I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams...”
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    IshmaelZ said:

    There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane run a country?
    The civil servants haven't gone anywhere.

    ;)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Floater said:

    Alistair said:

    Kind of making a mockery of the 7 day isolation.
    Except he was in isolation....
    I find the conditions for stopping self isolating rather confusing.

    If you have any symptoms you have to self isolate for 7 days. But if you still have a temperature you have to continue self isolating. But then can immediatly stop self isolating as soon as your temp returns to normal.

    That seems to throw up rather uneven conditions for how long someone has been symptom free before they are then out and about.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,243
    Floater said:

    Best wishes to Boris for a speedy recovery

    Yes, get well soon, Boris!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,253
    eadric said:

    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:
    Yup - that does not sound good. Best wishes to him.

    This may be a bit tactless at this point - but if we are going to criticise the Scottish CMO for not following her guidance, the same criticism could surely be made of the PM, the Health Secretary and Dr Whitty, all of whom have appeared in pretty close proximity to each other.

    Anyway I hope Boris makes a speedy and full recovery.
    Not only tactless but utterly wrong. The pm etc arguably broke protocol; the CMO for Scotland - whose sole job at the moment is to lecture Scots to stay at home - thought it perfectly fine for herself and her family to have weekend breaks at her 2nd home. She did this twice. Then lied about it.

    The rest of her career should be as unremarkable and ignored as the entirety of her career up to covid.
    Says the one PB’er who isn’t at home.

    Boris played fast and loose with the risks in the early days, as was widely reported. Not just his proximity to the others at the press conference. And there are still rumours circulating about Mother’s Day,
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    eadric said:

    Jesus. What a fuckery of a time to be alive.

    May you live in interesting times.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Alistair said:

    Floater said:

    Alistair said:

    Kind of making a mockery of the 7 day isolation.
    Except he was in isolation....
    I find the conditions for stopping self isolating rather confusing.

    If you have any symptoms you have to self isolate for 7 days. But if you still have a temperature you have to continue self isolating. But then can immediatly stop self isolating as soon as your temp returns to normal.

    That seems to throw up rather uneven conditions for how long someone has been symptom free before they are then out and about.
    It appears there is some thought that you might cease to become infectious prior to being virus free
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    Excellent speech by The Queen. And hope the Boris move is just precautionary.

    Yes. Authentically one of the finest moments of her reign.
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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Not sure the Shadow Cabinet announcements will lead the news cycle.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    MacMillan, Eden both hospitalised at some point in their Premierships for surgery and indisposed for a while.

    Blair had a heart murmur, Mrs Thatcher a cataract operation. Can't think of other PMs out of action due to illness since Eden.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,909
    Johnson should not have been working the past week.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    BBC News front page is remarkable. Queen we will succeed. PM taken to hospital.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    nichomar said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    You don’t plough through Coronavirus. So, is Raab in charge now?

    Well, PM's have been ill before and they don't replace them just because they are out of it for a bit.

    So long as it is clear to the Cabinet who is first among them if the PM is incapacitated - which it doubly is here since not only is Raab First Secretary of State they've actually told us he is the choice - then presumably they are able to function and there is no need to officially appoint him to any new position. So whether he is in charge I guess depends if Boris now counts as incapacitated.
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    You don’t plough through Coronavirus. So, is Raab in charge now?

    Well, PM's have been ill before and they don't replace them just because they are out of it for a bit.

    So long as it is clear to the Cabinet who is first among them if the PM is incapacitated - which it doubly is here since not only is Raab First Secretary of State they've actually told us he is the choice - then presumably they are able to function and there is no need to officially appoint him to any new position. So whether he is in charge I guess depends if Boris now counts as incapacitated.
    Given he has nothing else to do unlike the other key players he’s the right choice as long as he sticks within his abilities.
    Do his abilities stretch so far as to allow him to stick within them?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,182
    IshmaelZ said:

    There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
    Nothing to worry about, except Raab is the deputy PM.

    Arghhhhhhhhh!!!! :scream:
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    edited April 2020
    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:
    Yup - that does not sound good. Best wishes to him.

    This may be a bit tactless at this point - but if we are going to criticise the Scottish CMO for not following her guidance, the same criticism could surely be made of the PM, the Health Secretary and Dr Whitty, all of whom have appeared in pretty close proximity to each other.

    Anyway I hope Boris makes a speedy and full recovery.
    Not only tactless but utterly wrong. The pm etc arguably broke protocol; the CMO for Scotland - whose sole job at the moment is to lecture Scots to stay at home - thought it perfectly fine for herself and her family to have weekend breaks at her 2nd home. She did this twice. Then lied about it.

    The rest of her career should be as unremarkable and ignored as the entirety of her career up to covid.
    And there are still rumours circulating about Mother’s Day,
    There are rumours that the coronavirus is cover for the negative effects of 5G. Genunine question, has any evidence emerged that he visited his mother other than at worst lose phraseology?

    IshmaelZ said:

    There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
    Nothing to worry about, except Raab is the deputy PM.

    Arghhhhhhhhh!!!! :scream:
    Incorrect, he is not deputy PM. But the effect would be the same, some scream away.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,797
    Hope Boris can recover and get well soon.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,765

    eadric said:

    Jesus. What a fuckery of a time to be alive.

    May you live in interesting times.
    If this is what interesting is like, I'd rather live in boring times to be honest.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    Scott_xP said:
    Something all junior doctors learn in the end: You cannot look after anyone else if you do not look after yourself. Being a martyr does no one any good in the longer term.
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    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:
    Yup - that does not sound good. Best wishes to him.

    This may be a bit tactless at this point - but if we are going to criticise the Scottish CMO for not following her guidance, the same criticism could surely be made of the PM, the Health Secretary and Dr Whitty, all of whom have appeared in pretty close proximity to each other.

    Anyway I hope Boris makes a speedy and full recovery.
    Not only tactless but utterly wrong. The pm etc arguably broke protocol; the CMO for Scotland - whose sole job at the moment is to lecture Scots to stay at home - thought it perfectly fine for herself and her family to have weekend breaks at her 2nd home. She did this twice. Then lied about it.

    The rest of her career should be as unremarkable and ignored as the entirety of her career up to covid.
    Says the one PB’er who isn’t at home.

    Boris played fast and loose with the risks in the early days, as was widely reported. Not just his proximity to the others at the press conference. And there are still rumours circulating about Mother’s Day,
    Does being judgmental at this time help
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    eadric said:

    Jesus. What a fuckery of a time to be alive.

    May you live in interesting times.
    I have had enough, give me boring, I really want boring
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    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    eadric said:

    Jesus. What a fuckery of a time to be alive.

    May you live in interesting times.

    eadric said:

    Jesus. What a fuckery of a time to be alive.

    May you live in interesting times.
    The last ten years both politically and personally are beyond words!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    edited April 2020

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    I believe No. 10 publicly stated a couple of weeks ago that that would be the plan should it be necessary.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    By the way, if anyone still has access to today's Sunday Times then Tim Shipman's piece on page 11 is well worth a read. If you want to know why Johnson probably doesn't dare take his hand off the tiller, it's because there are a dozen wannabe skippers on board who are at one another's throats. I particularly enjoyed the account of how Michael Gove ripped Matt Hancock apart in Cabinet over ventilators. It sounded pure Gove: on top of all the facts. And pure Hancock: vacuous.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    alex_ said:

    Alistair said:

    Kind of making a mockery of the 7 day isolation.
    That relates to being symptom free though
    The current guidance is:

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/

    If you have symptoms of coronavirus, you'll need to self-isolate for 7 days.

    After 7 days:

    - if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to self-isolate
    - if you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal

    You do not need to self-isolate if you just have a cough after 7 days. A cough can last for several weeks after the infection has gone.


    So it isn't 7 days symptom-free and in fact it isn't even "from the start of any symptoms, self-isolate for 7 days or until all symptoms cease, whichever is longer". I'm I'm reading it correctly it's "from the start of any symptoms, self-isolate for 7 days or until your temperature returns to normal, whichever is longer". I wonder how many people actually understand this - it's quite a complicated message.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    TGOHF666 said:

    Not sure the Shadow Cabinet announcements will lead the news cycle.

    Pity the headline writers.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Something all junior doctors learn in the end: You cannot look after anyone else if you do not look after yourself. Being a martyr does no one any good in the longer term.
    Better Boris Johnson drunk than Dominic Raab sober.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,096
    dr_spyn said:

    MacMillan, Eden both hospitalised at some point in their Premierships for surgery and indisposed for a while.

    Blair had a heart murmur, Mrs Thatcher a cataract operation. Can't think of other PMs out of action due to illness since Eden.

    Honourable mention to John Major, tactically out of circulation with his wisdom teeth at the time Maggie was defenstrated so he could get her job....
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    RobD said:

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
    Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.

    Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:
    Yup - that does not sound good. Best wishes to him.

    This may be a bit tactless at this point - but if we are going to criticise the Scottish CMO for not following her guidance, the same criticism could surely be made of the PM, the Health Secretary and Dr Whitty, all of whom have appeared in pretty close proximity to each other.

    Anyway I hope Boris makes a speedy and full recovery.
    Not only tactless but utterly wrong. The pm etc arguably broke protocol; the CMO for Scotland - whose sole job at the moment is to lecture Scots to stay at home - thought it perfectly fine for herself and her family to have weekend breaks at her 2nd home. She did this twice. Then lied about it.

    The rest of her career should be as unremarkable and ignored as the entirety of her career up to covid.
    Says the one PB’er who isn’t at home.

    Boris played fast and loose with the risks in the early days, as was widely reported. Not just his proximity to the others at the press conference. And there are still rumours circulating about Mother’s Day,
    Wow. Talk about kicking someone when they're down. Nasty.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    Queen to announce tomorrow that she will become PM.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    Not sure if this was noted earlier but Dominic Cummings' uncle has died of Covid-19.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/apr/05/retired-senior-judge-sir-john-laws-dies-after-contracting-coronavirus
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,530
    edited April 2020
    eadric said:

    As I have been saying for three months.

    It came from the lab.

    https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21

    PJW's recent videos are well-worth watching IMO. It's true he was a moron 10 years ago but he's changed.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,596
    A change of LOTO and a change of PM over the course of a weekend would be a first.

    Pull through, Bozo.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,980
    edited April 2020
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
    Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.

    Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
    I think RochdalePioneers was talking about a scenario where a new PM had to be appointed by the Queen in a rush. The obvious person is who the government have designated as the successor.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717

    RobD said:

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
    Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.
    No, but given he has been publicly named as the successor the decision between government and the Palace would presumably be shorter than in its absence.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    kle4 said:

    Queen to announce tomorrow that she will become PM.

    She's been playing the long game.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,339

    dr_spyn said:

    MacMillan, Eden both hospitalised at some point in their Premierships for surgery and indisposed for a while.

    Blair had a heart murmur, Mrs Thatcher a cataract operation. Can't think of other PMs out of action due to illness since Eden.

    Honourable mention to John Major, tactically out of circulation with his wisdom teeth at the time Maggie was defenstrated so he could get her job....
    He was out of circulation for long periods with "Ugandan" matters.. and a hot curry.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Floater said:

    eadric said:

    Jesus. What a fuckery of a time to be alive.

    May you live in interesting times.
    I have had enough, give me boring, I really want boring
    Reminds me of the time I was bartering in an Arabic souk in the old city of Jerusalem and I was declaring to my trader how much I loved the buzz. He broke off from the haggling and fixed me his eye.

    'I'd give anything to exchange what you call this buzz for your quiet English land.'

    That told me.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a majority but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
    Just to preserve your original typo...
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
    You do the monarchy a disservice trying to capture it for political gain.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Given these are interesting times, think purely politically if you could turn the clock back and start again, would you and what date would you choose?

    10/09/01 is a good bet. A couple of phone calls could change the world.
    01/11/00 possibly even better if you could get Florida voting machines to work properly.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,096
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Queen to announce tomorrow that she will become PM.

    She's been playing the long game.
    Sod's Law says she gets the job - then goes down with it too.

    PM Prince Charles......
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    edited April 2020
    eadric said:

    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:
    Yup - that does not sound good. Best wishes to him.

    This may be a bit tactless at this point - but if we are going to criticise the Scottish CMO for not following her guidance, the same criticism could surely be made of the PM, the Health Secretary and Dr Whitty, all of whom have appeared in pretty close proximity to each other.

    Anyway I hope Boris makes a speedy and full recovery.
    Not only tactless but utterly wrong. The pm etc arguably broke protocol;
    He did indeed. Johnson has always believed that the rules do not apply to him. The virus however is no respector of persons.

    Indeed, the classic definition of a tragedy is where the protagonist is brought down by his character flaws. I wish him a full recovery.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Queen to announce tomorrow that she will become PM.

    She's been playing the long game.
    I always suspected the Royals never reconciled to the revolution of 1689.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,133
    eadric said:

    As I have been saying for three months.

    It came from the lab.

    https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21

    You’re quoting PJW as a credible source for this?
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    RobD said:

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
    Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.

    Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
    I missed that conversation, and the context has changed since. The PM could be dead by the time 24 hours have passed since then. Appointing a successor quickly would be critical.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,797
    dr_spyn said:

    MacMillan, Eden both hospitalised at some point in their Premierships for surgery and indisposed for a while.

    Blair had a heart murmur, Mrs Thatcher a cataract operation. Can't think of other PMs out of action due to illness since Eden.

    Didn't Churchill have a stroke in the middle of WWII (but no one knew about it at the time) ?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,133
    eadric said:

    DougSeal said:

    eadric said:

    As I have been saying for three months.

    It came from the lab.

    https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21

    You’re quoting PJW as a credible source for this?
    You’ve been shilling for China all along.
    You’ll struggle to find more than one or two of my posts even mentioning the place and then not in a positive way.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,530
    DougSeal said:

    eadric said:

    As I have been saying for three months.

    It came from the lab.

    https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21

    You’re quoting PJW as a credible source for this?
    He's been right about most things recently.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,182
    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    I think that’s it for Boris as pm. Most people get better but once you’ve been in hospital you get better Sloooooowly

    I would suggest we stay calm at this moment
    I think we’re calm. But let’s face it, if this is what they are telling us the truth is a couple of notches more serious.
    I would be calm if some idiot hadn't put Raab as the deputy PM.

    It has to be Gove.
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    Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    Spare a thought for Carrie. She must be going through the ringer right now.

    Agree 100% with the sentiment but I do think it needs to be "wringer", I had a horrible vision of her being transformed into electrical signals and sent down miles of copper telephony wire which might be even more ghastly than the mangle itself.

    Daft thing to be pedantic about, I know. Sincerely hope she is doing okay.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    eadric said:

    As I have been saying for three months.

    It came from the lab.

    https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21

    The truly Machiavellian part would be if the lab also had the vaccine. Wait until the world is fucked then everyone is in your pocket.

    But that's probably a step too far even for conspiracists.

    I'm inclined to agree with you about the possibility of a lab leak. Takes me back to that horrific incident of the last smallpox case in Britain.

    If anyone doesn't know the story and how it leaked from the lab to kill Janet Parker via the ventilation system then it's worth a read:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-45101091

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,358
    edited April 2020
    eadric said:

    DougSeal said:

    eadric said:

    As I have been saying for three months.

    It came from the lab.

    https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1246900040582520834?s=21

    You’re quoting PJW as a credible source for this?
    You’ve been shilling for China all along.
    LOL you're arguing Brain Force using bellend PJW is a credible source.

    You're shilling for stupidity.

    https://twitter.com/ChrisCaesar/status/926546199011786752
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    What are the Betfair rules for next PM?
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,141

    eadric said:

    Jesus. What a fuckery of a time to be alive.

    May you live in interesting times.
    Issuing curses - tut.

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Queen to announce tomorrow that she will become PM.

    She's been playing the long game.
    I always suspected the Royals never reconciled to the revolution of 1689.
    Surely the current lot are - they wouldn't be on the throne if it weren't for the 1689 revolution.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    edited April 2020
    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    MacMillan, Eden both hospitalised at some point in their Premierships for surgery and indisposed for a while.

    Blair had a heart murmur, Mrs Thatcher a cataract operation. Can't think of other PMs out of action due to illness since Eden.

    Didn't Churchill have a stroke in the middle of WWII (but no one knew about it at the time) ?
    Churchill did have a major stroke in 1953, and government kept it quiet.

    Just found this site, which gives details of some of Churchill's medical history.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328545072_Sir_Winston_Churchill_recovery_from_an_acute_stroke_in_June_1953_and_triumph_at_the_Conservative_Party_Conference_in_October_1953
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    geoffw said:

    eadric said:

    Jesus. What a fuckery of a time to be alive.

    May you live in interesting times.
    Issuing curses - tut.

    A Chinese curse, I believe. :wink:
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    This market will be settled based on the first official announcement of the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

    Clear as mud.
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    Alistair said:

    What are the Betfair rules for next PM?

    We will settle this market on the Prime Minister after Boris Johnson as published on https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/prime-minister
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital

    It wouldn't have looked good. I expect that's why. He'd have got there faster in his PM car.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Alistair said:

    This market will be settled based on the first official announcement of the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

    Clear as mud.

    Is the appointment gazetted?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,797
    edited April 2020
    dr_spyn said:

    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    MacMillan, Eden both hospitalised at some point in their Premierships for surgery and indisposed for a while.

    Blair had a heart murmur, Mrs Thatcher a cataract operation. Can't think of other PMs out of action due to illness since Eden.

    Didn't Churchill have a stroke in the middle of WWII (but no one knew about it at the time) ?
    Churchill did have a major stroke in 1953, and government kept it quiet.
    Yes I knew about the major stroke towards the end of his Premiership.

    Something made me think he also had a minor stroke in the middle of the war but I might be wrong about that.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717
    edited April 2020

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Queen to announce tomorrow that she will become PM.

    She's been playing the long game.
    I always suspected the Royals never reconciled to the revolution of 1689.
    Surely the current lot are - they wouldn't be on the throne if it weren't for the 1689 revolution.
    Sure, but it's one thing to accept the price demanded for it and another not to regret that price. Parliament was not required to set every year since 1689 after all. Not right at the start at least*

    *actually I'm not sure about that, but I think it was a few more years before annual parliaments were required, I might be wrong on that.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,339

    RobD said:

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
    Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.

    Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
    I missed that conversation, and the context has changed since. The PM could be dead by the time 24 hours have passed since then. Appointing a successor quickly would be critical.
    I do so hate people surmising what ifs if someone were to die.. its nasty.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Boris was not taken in an ambulance to hospital

    It wouldn't have looked good. I expect that's why. He'd have got there faster in his PM car.
    The four hour wait in A&E will be a bit awkward.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,980
    edited April 2020
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
    You do the monarchy a disservice trying to capture it for political gain.
    I never said I was trying to 'capture it for political gain', I just made the factual point Tory voters are significantly more likely to support the monarchy than Labour voters, even if a majority of both still support the monarchy
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,243
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    It was positively North Korean with the clip of the appreciation of the NHS.

    Monarchy = Socialism?
    Monarchy = One Nation Conservatism
    Monarchy has nothing to do with conservatives, or it shouldnt
    To an extent it does, 88% of Conservative voters support having a monarchy but only 57% of Labour voters
    https://yougov.dk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/
    A majority of Labour voters support the monarchy. Ergo,

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717

    RobD said:

    If we needed a new PM at very short notice would HM call Raab as First Secretary of State?

    That would seem likely, given that he is the designated successor.
    Deja Vu. We had a long discussion on this around 7.30 ish this morning. It's complicated and not as simple as Raab assuming power.

    Anyway, let's hope Boris is okay.
    I missed that conversation, and the context has changed since. The PM could be dead by the time 24 hours have passed since then. Appointing a successor quickly would be critical.
    I do so hate people surmising what ifs if someone were to die.. its nasty.
    Each to their own. I do not regard speculating about worst case scenarios as nasty. It's worth thinking about what happens in a crisis so we might have some idea what would happen.
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