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  • Well it's certainly big, and infrastructure. And I agree that a lot of it has already started and needs some sort of workable resolution. Personally I think I'd take it as far as Aylesbury and build some sort of new garden commuter town, like Milton Keynes if Milton Keynes wasn't a dystopian ****hole. Admittedly that's not an informed conclusion, just an idea.
    What good is linking Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow... to Aylesbury and not continue to London?

    Oh, you meant only building the southern section and f* off the north as is the usual approach no doubt
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025

    Unfortunately, I fear you may be right. Had a look on a few prominent Cybernats' twitter accounts today - who five years ago were constantly slamming Milliband and Murphy - and the only reaction to SKS' elevation was a shrug of the shoulders from the Rev. of Bath. Still, if Labour can eventually attract their ire again once more, that would probably mean they might actually be on the road to some kind of recovery in Scotland. Better to be hated than ignored.
    It will be a long long time if ever before those clowns recover, until they support independence they are dead in the water.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,032
    Nigelb said:
    Just brings it home to you quite how crazy the American right is.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,650
    malcolmg said:

    Hancock on the ball as ever , bit like their supposedly ever increasing testing. All just bollox as they promise more and more but reality is just not there. Good talk but crap reality.
    Oxygen supply will be limited by the capacity of the ambient vaporisers to vaporise the liquid oxygen, not by the capability of BOC et al to deliver liquid oxygen to the hospital.

    To increase capacity they need more hardware.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Omnium said:

    Could anyone provide a link to Mr Meeks' cartoon with the EU waving goodbye to the south of Europe?

    Can't work out quite when it was that he posted it.


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,655

    On HS2

    HS2 Northern Ltd has just been registered at Companies House.

    Will deliver HS2 Phase 2 and NPR.

    HS2 is a fascinating issue in terms of the cross section of opinions you get. On PB, you have Manchester Kurt aggressively supporting it because he thinks it will be good for the North, because too much is spent on London, and Alastair Meeks opposing it, presumably for the same reason, because he feels it's London subsidising the inbred yokels of the provinces. On the other side, you have Northerners vigorously opposed to it, because they think it's being done purely to increase London's talent pool at the expense of the provinces, and Londoners, who support it for the same reason. It's like a strange matrix or flow chart.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,076

    Agreed. Trouble is that Dr Shipman and similar cases make it even less likely patients will be given sufficient pain relief, never mind voluntary euthenasia. A pain-free death ought to be a human right.
    Agree. I think this subject is being discussed in many different countries. I feel strongly that elderly patients with terminal illness should be kept pain free but in many cases allowed to die. The problem always comes back to how can we reliably know that vulnerable elderly are making the choice they want to, and are not being cajoled into death by relatives or doctors. Dr. Shipman was a hopefully never to be repeated case. But there will be more than a few doctors around who care more about their careers, and hence the financial situation of their unit than the patients.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,491
    tlg86 said:

    Football clubs and the players pay a lot of tax, but it is poor that they aren’t covering staff pay themselves.
    The players could donate the necessary money by taking a pay cut.

    How many do you will think will offer ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,077
    malcolmg said:

    Time they tazered these clowns

    The police were chasing a whole 2 people from a the green patch in a local square. Given that the literal 2 people were at least 50 yards apart....
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025

    You're no doubt fondly remembering the days when folk in Scotland were bothered about what went on in Labour. The overwhelming reaction even amongst those who have a passing interest will be 'who she'.
    Unionists must be desperate when cockroaches like randall are activated
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,650

    I presume they are just paying the 80% to the furloughed staff?
    I believe that they are topping up the difference.
  • HS2 is a fascinating issue in terms of the cross section of opinions you get. On PB, you have Manchester Kurt aggressively supporting it because he thinks it will be good for the North, because too much is spent on London, and Alastair Meeks opposing it, presumably for the same reason, because he feels it's London subsidising the inbred yokels of the provinces. On the other side, you have Northerners vigorously opposed to it, because they think it's being done purely to increase London's talent pool at the expense of the provinces, and Londoners, who support it for the same reason. It's like a strange matrix or flow chart.
    and what is the position away from this forum, from the northern business community, the northern politicians etc. ?

    This place is not representative of how there is very great support across the business and politicians of the north. not remotely represetative.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,575

    I presume they are just paying the 80% to the furloughed staff?
    No, they are paying them in full. Unlike Spurs, apparently.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,076
    OllyT said:

    Just brings it home to you quite how crazy the American right is.
    Er, many of the opinions in that video were also opined in these hallowed pages.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513

    The players could donate the necessary money by taking a pay cut.

    How many do you will think will offer ?
    It wouldn’t cost them all that much so it’s a surprise this hasn’t been sorted out.

    The bigger battle is going to be between the clubs and the players when the TV money and gate receipts stop.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,491

    Oh it will probably happen. Doesn't mean it should do. It is those supporting this outdated and unnecessary project who are the brain dead.
    The end of world civilisation would have no effect on the choo-choo fanatics demanding their obsession.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,077

    I believe that they are topping up the difference.
    Well, that's decent of them - so at least the non-playing staff will get 100% of their normal wages for the near future.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025
    eristdoof said:

    Well there were a few PB posters who were saying similar things about a month ago, such as the under 40s should carry on as normal to keep the economy going.
    Plenty Tories on here only interested in their own pockets, some will be socialists soon when they are on their uppers and realise they have joined the poor etc that they used to decry as spongers
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,075
    USA reaches 300,000 cases
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,434

    You do know you are going to be doing that for the next 4 years at least don't you :)
    He is, after all, a teacher.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,650


    The police were chasing a whole 2 people from a the green patch in a local square. Given that the literal 2 people were at least 50 yards apart....
    The trouble is if you ignore the two the number rises exponentially.
  • Our southern based media, with editors living in the Chilterns, rarely reports on pro HS2 news from the north...

    https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/hs2-northern-leaders-call-next-16464638
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    The players could donate the necessary money by taking a pay cut.

    How many do you will think will offer ?
    Is there any reason why millionaires should subsidise billionaires? And is there any reason why footballers should be singled out ahead of bankers, actors, lawyers and pop stars?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,491

    and what is the position away from this forum, from the northern business community, the northern politicians etc. ?

    This place is not representative of how there is very great support across the business and politicians of the north. not remotely represetative.
    FatCats support spending money on FatCats.

    I'm astonished.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,148
    ydoethur said:

    KEIR.

    K E I R.
    I before E except after K!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.

    However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
    The issue is time

    London parks gets very overcrowded if people are allowed to sunbathe. You’re only meant to be put for a brief period.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025
    Cyclefree said:

    There is absolutely no rule saying that exercise can only be once a day or only for an hour. None whatever.
    Still morons going out unless absolutely necessary, nobody needs to exercise for 2 hours. Time to start issuing cattle prods to police and telling them to give these selfish twunts a good charge.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,655

    and what is the position away from this forum, from the northern business community, the northern politicians etc. ?

    This place is not representative of how there is very great support across the business and politicians of the north. not remotely represetative.
    I will bow to your greater knowledge of the business community in the North, but I know that plenty of MP's from the North are very opposed (and no doubt some are very pro).
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    Is there any reason why millionaires should subsidise billionaires? And is there any reason why footballers should be singled out ahead of bankers, actors, lawyers and pop stars?
    Because football clubs pretend to be something more than mere businesses. LFC certainly has.

    It will be laughed out of town now every time it tries to sing its anthem.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Quincel said:

    Christ, must admit I hadn't realised the DJIA fell steadily for 20-30 years once. That's nuts. How did people make money during that period? This was a time of defined benefit pensions, how did that work when the second half of their career returns were negative?
    Bonds. Interest rates haven't always been sub 1%.

    That was a time period where "investing in the stock market" was seen as the height of irresponsible behaviour and the notion that the market always rises in the end was not the orthodoxy.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Because football clubs pretend to be something more than mere businesses. LFC certainly has.

    It will be laughed out of town now every time it tries to sing its anthem.
    I agree the billionaires are behaving poorly. Why should the millionaires be the ones to atone for the billionaires’ misdeeds?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,077

    The trouble is if you ignore the two the number rises exponentially.
    Yes, I know. Like what you did there. But they must have been very bored if that is the level of custom they are getting in breaking things up.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,077



    Would humming Ode To Joy twice while washing your hands meet the mark?
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    I agree the billionaires are behaving poorly. Why should the millionaires be the ones to atone for the billionaires’ misdeeds?
    I'm not following your point. Who are the millionaires and billionaires here?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited April 2020

    Because football clubs pretend to be something more than mere businesses. LFC certainly has.

    It will be laughed out of town now every time it tries to sing its anthem.
    The staff are fine they get 100% and don’t lose out the debate should be about wether it is right for a business, however profitable, to take advantage of the scheme. Apart from the overall tax payer who are LFC treating badly? Not the staff so the contempt is misguided, they have not sold the staff down the river unless I’m missing something?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Quincel said:

    Well I know what I'm going to be trying to read up on tomorrow.
    For an excellent contemporary historical view of investing "The Intelligent Investor" by Benjamin Graham is a great read.

    The man from whom Buffet learnt everything.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,971
    I wonder if we'll see an increase in cases of rickets because of all this.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513

    Because football clubs pretend to be something more than mere businesses. LFC certainly has.

    It will be laughed out of town now every time it tries to sing its anthem.
    I think Alastair raises a good/difficult question as to whether players should do something that the owners could do themselves. I think we can assume that the FSG aren’t worried about perceptions about LFC and any long term brand damage.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    I'm not following your point. Who are the millionaires and billionaires here?
    Millionaires = players
    Billionaires = owners
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,077
    eristdoof said:

    Agree. I think this subject is being discussed in many different countries. I feel strongly that elderly patients with terminal illness should be kept pain free but in many cases allowed to die. The problem always comes back to how can we reliably know that vulnerable elderly are making the choice they want to, and are not being cajoled into death by relatives or doctors. Dr. Shipman was a hopefully never to be repeated case. But there will be more than a few doctors around who care more about their careers, and hence the financial situation of their unit than the patients.
    I have encountered problematic attitudes towards patient survival twice (personally). The first occasion I expressed my self with my best sense of humour. The second, I had an interestingly philosophical discussion with the person in question.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,453


    Thanks Alastair.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,077
    nichomar said:

    Millionaires = players
    Billionaires = owners
    The appalling running around at the behest of the unspeakable.

    My favourite football moment - when the FA decided that being a wanted war criminal did not breach the "Fit and proper" rule for football club owners...
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    Words fail me.

    So the club are going to get state aid while paying obsecene wages to their players
    Same old scousers....always scallies....

  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    edited April 2020
    nichomar said:

    The staff are fine they get 100% and don’t lose out the debate should be about wether it is right for a business, however profitable, to take advantage of the scheme. Apart from the overall tax payer who are LFC treating badly? Not the staff so the contempt is misguided, they have not sold the staff down the river unless I’m missing something?
    I think you don't really understand the point about LFC. It has just lost its soul.

    Liverpool CEO Peter Moore Oct '19: "We had this historical figure, Bill Shankly, a Scottish socialist. Today when we speak about business questions, we ask ourselves: 'what would Shankly do?'

    Football is about rivalry. LFC fans will be ashamed of this, they will be mocked merclessly. Their achievements traduced.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,148
    OllyT said:

    Just brings it home to you quite how crazy the American right is.
    The scariest part is that several of the commentators had their names prefixed with Dr. Doctors of what exactly?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025

    Did they conveniently die at 70?
    Most never reached 70
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214
    Would Boris have won the Tory leadership without newbies, (Kipper entrists) voting for him?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513

    I think you don't really understand the point about LFC. It has just lost its soul.

    Liverpool CEO Peter Moore Oct '19: "We had this historical figure, Bill Shankly, a Scottish socialist. Today when we speak about business questions, we ask ourselves: 'what would Shankly do?'

    Football is about rivalry. LFC fans will be ashamed of this, they will be mocked merclessly. Their achievements traduced.

    Football clubs making use of government provision could be seen as quite socialist.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,304

    Well it's certainly big, and infrastructure. And I agree that a lot of it has already started and needs some sort of workable resolution. Personally I think I'd take it as far as Aylesbury and build some sort of new garden commuter town, like Milton Keynes if Milton Keynes wasn't a dystopian ****hole. Admittedly that's not an informed conclusion, just an idea.
    I think you’re hard on yourself there. Calling Milton Keynes a ‘dystopian shithole’ sounds like a well-informed conclusion to me.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,025

    Oxygen supply will be limited by the capacity of the ambient vaporisers to vaporise the liquid oxygen, not by the capability of BOC et al to deliver liquid oxygen to the hospital.

    To increase capacity they need more hardware.
    I was talking in general, they talk well but perform absolute crap.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    I think you don't really understand the point about LFC. It has just lost its soul.

    Liverpool CEO Peter Moore Oct '19: "We had this historical figure, Bill Shankly, a Scottish socialist. Today when we speak about business questions, we ask ourselves: 'what would Shankly do?'

    Football is about rivalry. LFC fans will be ashamed of this, they will be mocked merclessly. Their achievements traduced.

    I understand it completely, was born and brought up a red, what are you upset about? if it’s because they are taking government money then I assume you feel the same about every other business owner who could afford to pay but has gone down the furlough, there are plenty of examples.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    edited April 2020
    IanB2 said:

    USA reaches 300,000 cases


    The Iranian figures are a hoot.....
    There must be two old boys in a shed... "Hashem mate....what did you put down yesterday?"
    "163 my old mucker Ayab..."
    "OK...lets give it 139 today...seems about right Hashem..."

    And meanwhile in the real Iranian world there are bargain black bin bags handed out and skips everywhere for people to dispose of their relatives.....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,304
    nichomar said:

    I understand it completely, was born and brought up a red, what are you upset about? if it’s because they are taking government money then I assume you feel the same about every other business owner who could afford to pay but has gone down the furlough, there are plenty of examples.
    Furlough, sweet chariot, coming for to give me a loan....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    When will PBers, who claim to be - in the main - well educated, learn to spell the Loto’s name? It really is pathetic.

    K - E - I - R
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,304
    tyson said:


    The Iranian figures are a hoot.....
    There must be two old boys in a shed... "Hashem mate....what did you put down yesterday?"
    "163 my old mucker Ayab..."
    "OK...lets give it 139 today...seems about right Hashem..."

    And meanwhile in the real Iranian world there are bargain black bin bags handed out and skips everywhere for people to dispose of their relatives.....
    Is there any reliable data, at all, for the situation in Iran?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    When will PBers, who claim to be - in the main - well educated, learn to spell the Loto’s name? It really is pathetic.

    K - E - I - R

    It's not intuitive....it should be Kier.....

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,304

    When will PBers, who claim to be - in the main - well educated, learn to spell the Loto’s name? It really is pathetic.

    K - E - I - R

    Just call him Starmer.

    Apart from anything else, it’s much easier to pun on ‘Starmer’ than on ‘Keir.’
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214
    When do we think foreign holidays will be possible? We have two booked - May 30th and Jul 17th
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    ydoethur said:

    Is there any reliable data, at all, for the situation in Iran?
    No...CNN occasionally shows another aerial photograph of Tehran with another huge burial mound that is added to the many others...

    It must be absolute carnage on a scale that makes New York seem like Wyoming....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,304
    isam said:

    When do we think foreign holidays will be possible? We have two booked - May 30th and Jul 17th

    Well, I think we can safely say the first ain’t happening.

    I think nine chances in ten the second won’t be either given the travel industry will still be in chaos. However, it may depend on where you’re going and how you’re getting there.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214
    ydoethur said:

    Just call him Starmer.

    Apart from anything else, it’s much easier to pun on ‘Starmer’ than on ‘Keir.’
    ‘There’s a Starmer, waiting in the sky
    He’d like to come and meet us...”
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    nichomar said:

    I understand it completely, was born and brought up a red, what are you upset about? if it’s because they are taking government money then I assume you feel the same about every other business owner who could afford to pay but has gone down the furlough, there are plenty of examples.
    No because they are not like every other business, that's the whole point. They pretend to be something more and that's the whole brand. Let's see how this plays out to see who has called it correctly.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,099
    isam said:

    When do we think foreign holidays will be possible? We have two booked - May 30th and Jul 17th

    Which year? Surely not this one.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    isam said:

    ‘There’s a Starmer, waiting in the sky
    He’d like to come and meet us...”
    No...the trick to winning an election is to get called by your first name...as Tony, Maggie, Boris can testify......

    There is a science to it....those named by their surname (Cameron being the exception) are defined to failure....
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited April 2020

    No because they are not like every other business, that's the whole point. They pretend to be something more and that's the whole brand. Let's see how this plays out to see who has called it correctly.
    You haven’t answered the question the employees wages are guaranteed so what’s so appalling unless you believe they should not take tax payers money.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,304
    tyson said:

    No...the trick to winning an election is to get called by your first name...as Tony, Maggie, Boris can testify......

    There is a science to it....those named by their surname (Cameron being the exception) are defined to failure....
    ‘Call me Dave’ was not known by his surname.

    Meanwhile, Miliband was always Ed Miliband, admittedly mostly because of his brother.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    When do we think foreign holidays will be possible? We have two booked - May 30th and Jul 17th

    For the first time since 2016 I carefully planned all my travel for the year in anticipation of retiring. You’d think the boy would learn.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,453
    isam said:

    ‘There’s a Starmer, waiting in the sky
    He’d like to come and meet us...”
    The best thing about Starmer is that he isn't Corbyn.

    Driving the bus into the brick-wall isn't actually likely now.

    The second best thing about Starmer is that he's worth listening to.

    Let's see how he gets on.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    tyson said:

    No...the trick to winning an election is to get called by your first name...as Tony, Maggie, Boris can testify......

    There is a science to it....those named by their surname (Cameron being the exception) are defined to failure....
    As opposed to Trump & Biden vs Hillary & Bernie?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    isam said:

    When do we think foreign holidays will be possible? We have two booked - May 30th and Jul 17th

    We've got train tickets to london end of april. What we were going for is cancelled. And if no pubs etc open probs no point. Might be interesting sightseeing without crowds but might not be allowed.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    For the first time since 2016 I carefully planned all my travel for the year in anticipation of retiring. You’d think the boy would learn.
    I hadn't been abroad (bar a last minute weekend away) in over a year. Had a trip to Rome for the final 6N game, Portugal in late March, then the Italian lakes in mid April all planned and payed for...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    When will PBers, who claim to be - in the main - well educated, learn to spell the Loto’s name? It really is pathetic.

    Does anyone really keir?

    :D:D
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    isam said:

    When do we think foreign holidays will be possible? We have two booked - May 30th and Jul 17th


    Hmmm.....I would say doubtful sadly......

    I was supposed to be in Italy today.....I'd treated myself to a really nice car too....
    Oh well.....instead I've cooked a lentil curry at home..we are rapidly running out of supplies and didn't have milk this morning...the supermarket just seems a bridge too far...

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,434

    Does anyone really keir?

    :D:D
    I rek.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    Disgraceful of LFC to furlough its non-playing staff. That's me done with that football club.

    I'm in the same boat with Spurs.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,198
    We've got an internal UK trip organised for May. It's with the horse down to the beach, we can pay a week before now but need to arrange transport for the horse; and the riding centre/cattery are probably closed too. It'll be a bit shit if all the restaurants are closed too.
    Most likely delayed tbh.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,434

    For the first time since 2016 I carefully planned all my travel for the year in anticipation of retiring. You’d think the boy would learn.
    Have you learned nothing from Mike’s example ?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ydoethur said:

    The Austin Powers solution:

    Local slapper is plying her trade in the park. Officer approaches.

    ‘What are the two of you doing?’

    ‘Taking our daily exercise officer.’

    ‘I don’t think this is covered by regulations sir.’

    ‘Boris said we could cycle. I’m just having my ride on the village bike.’
    But one hopes not a family unit
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,453

    Does anyone really keir?

    :D:D
    I guess they do - people have been known to re-invent themselves in some weird spelling.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ydoethur said:

    The Austin Powers solution:

    Local slapper is plying her trade in the park. Officer approaches.

    ‘What are the two of you doing?’

    ‘Taking our daily exercise officer.’

    ‘I don’t think this is covered by regulations sir.’

    ‘Boris said we could cycle. I’m just having my ride on the village bike.’
    But one hopes not a family unit
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,198
    MaxPB said:

    I'm in the same boat with Spurs.
    Spurs aren't even making up the non playing staff's wages to their normal amount ?!
    That's horrendous if true.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,953
    malcolmg said:

    Plenty Tories on here only interested in their own pockets, some will be socialists soon when they are on their uppers and realise they have joined the poor etc that they used to decry as spongers
    Except of course, that the top story on the Times today is one of the government's top scientific bods saying precisely that.

    "A prolonged lockdown risks causing more suffering than the virus itself, Graham Medley, the government’s chief pandemic modeller, has warned. He said that the country needed to face the trade-off between harming the young versus the old."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/boris-johnsons-coronavirus-adviser-calls-for-a-way-out-of-lockdown-rd58g6tc9

  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    edited April 2020
    nichomar said:

    You haven’t answered the question the employees wages are guaranteed so what’s so appalling unless you believe they should not take tax payers money.
    Why are you struggling to understand the simple point that LFC pretends to be a community or an extended family and yet does not dip into its own hefty pockets in order to look after its own staff during a storm? It's very simple.

    Whether you are personally neutral between the government paying those salaries or LFC paying them doesn't matter, it will matter to many LFC fans. Moreover it will be a stick that will be used to demean and to humiliate those same LFC fans and any hard-fought achievement, that is undeniable. So it is a mistake on multiple levels. A very cheap but very expensive mistake.

    Let's see how it plays out like I said.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited April 2020
    Omnium said:

    I guess they do - people have been known to re-invent themselves in some weird spelling.
    You need to "up" your Gaelic game :D
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,506
    tyson said:

    It's not intuitive....it should be Kier.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Hardie
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Dullea
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Gilchrist
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,265
    "The Dinou case raises serious questions about the rule of law during a pandemic. Dinou was arrested, charged and then prosecuted in a court of law for an offence that does not exist. The case was heard in court by a district judge rather than a bench of magistrates. It was reported that the judge convicted Dinou in a single hearing, even though she reportedly refused to leave her cell throughout the proceedings."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/03/the-dangerous-breakdown-of-the-rule-of-law/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,655

    What good is linking Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow... to Aylesbury and not continue to London?

    Oh, you meant only building the southern section and f* off the north as is the usual approach no doubt
    Yes I did, but only because as I understand it that's the bit that's already been built. If the whole thing had been started in the North, I'd have a lot more faith in it being a genuine boost for that area.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,077
    nichomar said:

    You haven’t answered the question the employees wages are guaranteed so what’s so appalling unless you believe they should not take tax payers money.
    Ban football.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,453

    You need to "up" your Gaelic game :D
    If the broadness of your smile reflects the daftness of your spelling then you win.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,655
    By the way, Starmer should be known as KStarmer - please note the lack of spacing or punctuation between first initial and surname. It is time-honoured PB tradition.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    No because they are not like every other business, that's the whole point. They pretend to be something more and that's the whole brand. Let's see how this plays out to see who has called it correctly.
    I don't have a clue what you're banging on about. The staff are being paid 100% of their wages not 80% as most other businesses are doing. Seems to me they are treating their staff better than almost any other business under the circumstances. What's the big deal?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513

    Why are you struggling to understand the simple point that LFC pretends to be a community or an extended family and yet does not dip into its own hefty pockets in order to look after its own staff during a storm? It's very simple.

    Whether you are personally neutral between the government paying those salaries or LFC paying them doesn't matter, it will matter to many LFC fans. Moreover it will be a stick that will be used to demean and to humiliate those same LFC fans and any hard-fought achievement, that is undeniable. So it is a mistake on multiple levels. A very cheap but very expensive mistake.

    Let's see how it plays out like I said.
    I doubt this will bother too many fans, though your points about Liverpool proclaiming to be a special club is a fair one.

    I think in the long term, Liverpool are in a better position than most given that the players have more than just money to lose. They are the best team in the league and the players won’t want to risk crippling the club by playing hardball over wages.

    Other clubs, such as Arsenal, are in a worse position in my opinion.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    edited April 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    Spurs aren't even making up the non playing staff's wages to their normal amount ?!
    That's horrendous if true.
    No, it's frankly disgusting behaviour from the club and it's superstar footballers.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214
    edited April 2020
    Omnium said:

    The best thing about Starmer is that he isn't Corbyn.

    Driving the bus into the brick-wall isn't actually likely now.

    The second best thing about Starmer is that he's worth listening to.

    Let's see how he gets on.
    I’m willing to bet at odds on that he never gets a bigger share of the vote at a GE than Old Jezza
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    I don't have a clue what you're banging on about. The staff are being paid 100% of their wages not 80% as most other businesses are doing. Seems to me they are treating their staff better than almost any other business under the circumstances. What's the big deal?
    I've explained my point as much as I possibly can. You don't agree, fair enough.

    Let's see how it plays out.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214
    DavidL said:

    Which year? Surely not this one.
    Yeah South of France for my girlfriends 40th and Portugal with a few couples. Damn shame.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Why are you struggling to understand the simple point that LFC pretends to be a community or an extended family and yet does not dip into its own hefty pockets in order to look after its own staff during a storm? It's very simple.

    Whether you are personally neutral between the government paying those salaries or LFC paying them doesn't matter, it will matter to many LFC fans. Moreover it will be a stick that will be used to demean and to humiliate those same LFC fans and any hard-fought achievement, that is undeniable. So it is a mistake on multiple levels. A very cheap but very expensive mistake.

    Let's see how it plays out like I said.
    The club is dipping into its own pockets. That's why the staff are getting 100% not 80% because the club is dipping into its own pockets and paying the difference. Unlike other clubs and businesses.
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