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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,171
    edited April 2020
    "No news is good news"
    because of multiple interpretations.

    edit: good because of the ambiguities.
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,898
    Andy_JS said:
    No. 75% of Covid-19 INTENSIVE CARE cases are men.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,430
    kinabalu said:

    On Bristol De Mai for the National.

    Bristol de Mai only wins at Haydock.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,264
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,804
    Pulpstar said:

    The oddest part about the once a day rule is seriously, how many go went out for exercise more than once a day :D ?!

    Not me, but presumably it's to back up that there needs to be a reasonable excuse for being out and about, so if you're look you're lollygagging you probably don't have a good excuse.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250
    Mine's fallen. It's a fix.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,804
    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,731

    HYUFD said:

    Virtual Grand National on ITV now

    My tenner is on Potters Corner!
    Jammy bugger
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?

    Yep. Compared to the lithe athlete, that is Boris. A bit on the portly side!
    Blimey, people are a bit salty about an innocuous comment today (though gammony was not a refernce to his size). It wasn't a criticism, he just looks a little flushed. Maybe he's under the weather, maybe he's excited, maybe he's just naturally a little red, it wasn't a suggestion Boris was a human adonis.
    You would be a little flushed after learning of a meeting pencilled in for next week with someone not recovering too well from Covid-19. I recommend Starmer wears mask, visor and thick rigger's gloves!
    Upgrade that to a welder's mask....
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,467
    kle4 said:

    ukpaul said:

    kle4 said:

    ukpaul said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eristdoof said:

    ukpaul said:

    alex_ said:

    ukpaul said:

    From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
    Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
    The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
    I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
    I've never known about that hour rule.
    There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
    Published guidance -

    one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.

    Guidance.

    Ergo, it's a good idea to follow it given the purpoe of the legislation, but it is not a rule.
    "These measures must be followed by everyone. "

    That's a rule, folks, not guidance. Once a day (could be two hours or whatever, but once a day it is).
    No, if the law does not back up the guidance it remains guidance, which is why you quoted it as guidance. If the law says you can only go out once, it is a rule.

    I'm following that guidance, I've been going out once a day for less than hour close to my home. But if the law does not say that is the rule then I won't accept it is a rule, it doesn't matter how much the guidance says it must be followed or even if the government says 'this is what the law means' - government guidance is not law, ministerial statements are not law.

    Governments have found before that the way a law is drafted means it does not mean what they wanted it to mean.
    Quite. And if you can leave your house with zero human interaction within a distance of several meters, twice, and this is more convenient, you should do it. This is about not infecting people and getting infected, not covering yourself in sackcloth and ashes.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The oddest part about the once a day rule is seriously, how many go went out for exercise more than once a day :D ?!

    Not me, but presumably it's to back up that there needs to be a reasonable excuse for being out and about, so if you're look you're lollygagging you probably don't have a good excuse.
    I'm starting to ponder just what people did all day outside the house pre lockdown :p
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,731
    They should have added graphics of a couple of horses getting shot. Just to make it really lifelike.
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    Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    kinabalu said:

    On Bristol De Mai for the National.

    So you’re the one that jinxed it for me?
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    HYUFD said:

    Virtual Grand National on ITV now

    My tenner is on Potters Corner!
    What price?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    4 in my lifetime (born 80s) Vs 1 for Labour.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    “Don’t judge a book by its cover”.

    How the hell else do you know the author and title ?

    My all time unfavourite - since quite damaging - is the dreaded "Everything Happens For A Reason".

    Anybody says that to me, I have to take a deep breath and count to 10.
    Worse things happen at sea.... Well, maybe, but I don't expect my car is going to be hit by an uninsured iceberg on its maiden voyage, is it?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.

    Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?

    Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
    I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
    The version of 'proves' used in that saying is an old version which means 'tests' as opposed to 'verifies'. So the way people use the saying today indeed makes no sense.
    It derives from Scandinavian. In Norwegian the verb 'to try' is 'prove'. Pronounced 'prer-ver'.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    kle4 said:

    ukpaul said:

    kle4 said:

    ukpaul said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eristdoof said:

    ukpaul said:

    alex_ said:

    ukpaul said:

    From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
    Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
    The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
    I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
    I've never known about that hour rule.
    There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
    Published guidance -

    one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.

    Guidance.

    Ergo, it's a good idea to follow it given the purpoe of the legislation, but it is not a rule.
    "These measures must be followed by everyone. "

    That's a rule, folks, not guidance. Once a day (could be two hours or whatever, but once a day it is).
    No, if the law does not back up the guidance it remains guidance, which is why you quoted it as guidance. If the law says you can only go out once, it is a rule.

    I'm following that guidance, I've been going out once a day for less than hour close to my home. But if the law does not say that is the rule then I won't accept it is a rule, it doesn't matter how much the guidance says it must be followed or even if the government says 'this is what the law means' - government guidance is not law, ministerial statements are not law.

    Governments have found before that the way a law is drafted means it does not mean what they wanted it to mean.
    Government guidance is that smoking is harmful for your health and, presumably, that you shouldn’t do it.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250

    Bristol de Mai only wins at Haydock.

    Yes. So it seems.

    But I suspect the big problem was that the algorithm could not cope with a grey and so it had to make it fall as soon as it looked like it might win.

    Should have realized that before I did my money. Still, it goes towards some PPE for care workers.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,731
    kinabalu said:

    Bristol de Mai only wins at Haydock.

    Yes. So it seems.

    But I suspect the big problem was that the algorithm could not cope with a grey and so it had to make it fall as soon as it looked like it might win.

    Should have realized that before I did my money. Still, it goes towards some PPE for care workers.
    Maybe you`re wrong. Maybe your particular wager went to DecrepiterJohn. How do you feel about that then?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250

    ROME — There is a growing sense in Italy that the worst may have passed. The weeks of locking down the country, center of the world’s deadliest coronavirus outbreak, may be starting to pay off, as officials announced this week that the numbers of new infections had plateaued.

    That glimmer of hope has turned the conversation to the daunting challenge of when and how to reopen without setting off another cataclysmic wave of contagion. To do so, Italian health officials and some politicians have focused on an idea that might once have been relegated to the realm of dystopian novels and science fiction films.

    Having the right antibodies to the virus in one’s blood — a potential marker of immunity — may soon determine who gets to work and who does not, who is locked down and who is free.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibodies.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    Yep - coronacard. It's coming. Can you imagine?
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,430
    alex_ said:

    HYUFD said:

    Virtual Grand National on ITV now

    My tenner is on Potters Corner!
    What price?
    18/1 -- reasoning in previous thread -- has won last two races so in form and is one of only two to have won at the distance.

    Graphics were better than I expected.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Today’s main event has been the frankly epic amount of weeding I’ve done. I trust no one with a badge is going to complain that I have enjoyed my time outdoors too much.
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    Today’s main event has been the frankly epic amount of weeding I’ve done. I trust no one with a badge is going to complain that I have enjoyed my time outdoors too much.

    Can you beat this?

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1246440386912030721
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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer is no Corbynite but he is no Blairite either, this is more a victory for Brownites ideologically (Brown endorsed Starmer after all).
    The fact Nandy only got 16% as the candidate most willing to reach out to Leavers suggests Labour also clearly wants to put clear blue water between themselves and the Tories on Brexit

    If after 26 years Labour cannot move on from calling people ‘Blairite,’ ‘Brownite’ etc., then it matters little who the leader is or what their policies are.
    Tories still call themselves Thatcherites or Cameroons
    No May-ists?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,933

    Pulpstar said:

    The oddest part about the once a day rule is seriously, how many go went out for exercise more than once a day :D ?!

    How many went out even once a day? You could end up with a far fitter population after this. Of course we won't. But it is possible.
    We did the Joe Wicks 9am workout on Friday... felt like I was in 1984, or North Korea
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,660

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    “Don’t judge a book by its cover”.

    How the hell else do you know the author and title ?

    My all time unfavourite - since quite damaging - is the dreaded "Everything Happens For A Reason".

    Anybody says that to me, I have to take a deep breath and count to 10.
    Worse things happen at sea.... Well, maybe, but I don't expect my car is going to be hit by an uninsured iceberg on its maiden voyage, is it?
    For sheer banality... “it is what it is”...
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,229

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?

    Yep. Compared to the lithe athlete, that is Boris. A bit on the portly side!
    Blimey, people are a bit salty about an innocuous comment today (though gammony was not a refernce to his size). It wasn't a criticism, he just looks a little flushed. Maybe he's under the weather, maybe he's excited, maybe he's just naturally a little red, it wasn't a suggestion Boris was a human adonis.
    You would be a little flushed after learning of a meeting pencilled in for next week with someone not recovering too well from Covid-19. I recommend Starmer wears mask, visor and thick rigger's gloves!
    Upgrade that to a welder's mask....
    A very good point! Note taken.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964
    edited April 2020

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    4 in my lifetime (born 80s) Vs 1 for Labour.
    I was born 1965 so the score is

    7 Tory majorities (With 4 different leaders)

    1970
    1979
    1983
    1987
    1992
    2015
    2019

    to 5 Labour (With 2 different leaders)

    1966
    1974 (Oct)
    1997
    2001
    2005
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,804
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    “Don’t judge a book by its cover”.

    How the hell else do you know the author and title ?

    My all time unfavourite - since quite damaging - is the dreaded "Everything Happens For A Reason".

    Anybody says that to me, I have to take a deep breath and count to 10.
    Worse things happen at sea.... Well, maybe, but I don't expect my car is going to be hit by an uninsured iceberg on its maiden voyage, is it?
    For sheer banality... “it is what it is”...
    Sounds better when adjusted to c'est la vie.
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    ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    edited April 2020
    kle4 said:

    ukpaul said:

    kle4 said:

    ukpaul said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eristdoof said:

    ukpaul said:

    alex_ said:

    ukpaul said:

    From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
    Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
    The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
    I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
    I've never known about that hour rule.
    There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
    Published guidance -

    one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.

    Guidance.

    Ergo, it's a good idea to follow it given the purpoe of the legislation, but it is not a rule.
    "These measures must be followed by everyone. "

    That's a rule, folks, not guidance. Once a day (could be two hours or whatever, but once a day it is).
    No, if the law does not back up the guidance it remains guidance, which is why you quoted it as guidance. If the law says you can only go out once, it is a rule.

    I'm following that guidance, I've been going out once a day for less than hour close to my home. But if the law does not say that is the rule then I won't accept it is a rule, it doesn't matter how much the guidance says it must be followed or even if the government says 'this is what the law means' - government guidance is not law, ministerial statements are not law.

    Governments have found before that the way a law is drafted means it does not mean what they wanted it to mean.
    The message that "These measures must be followed by everyone. " is clear. Everything else is just people trying it on. The government are letting themselves be led rather than leading. Either they clamp down now, or (as Ferguson said) we are going to be locked down for a lot longer because of them.

    Virtual Grand National was fun, by the way. Amazing what they can do with computer graphics nowadays.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Today’s main event has been the frankly epic amount of weeding I’ve done. I trust no one with a badge is going to complain that I have enjoyed my time outdoors too much.

    Can you beat this?

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1246440386912030721
    I’m on the Aperol Spritzes now so no pics will be forthcoming. Suffice to say I never wish to see another giant celandine as long as I live.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,430
    Lying down in parks. I noticed yesterday the gate to our local park has a new sign limiting our freedom to sell sex in the park. Or possibly to buy sex; I forget which. I imagine this is a side effect of killjoy Boris closing massage parlours.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.

    Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?

    Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
    I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
    The version of 'proves' used in that saying is an old version which means 'tests' as opposed to 'verifies'. So the way people use the saying today indeed makes no sense.
    It derives from Scandinavian. In Norwegian the verb 'to try' is 'prove'. Pronounced 'prer-ver'.
    I don't see that either version makes sense. Say your rule is that all swans are white, and you come across a black swan. The modern misunderstanding is that this confirms the rule because it wouldn't be an exception unless there was a rule for it to be an exception to. But if it proves in the sense of tests, it doesn't just test, it tests and shows to be false - which doesn't seem interesting enough to have a proverb about it.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,229
    edited April 2020
    Genuinely hope she and soon to be Johnson Minor are well and truly 'on the mend'.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer is no Corbynite but he is no Blairite either, this is more a victory for Brownites ideologically (Brown endorsed Starmer after all).
    The fact Nandy only got 16% as the candidate most willing to reach out to Leavers suggests Labour also clearly wants to put clear blue water between themselves and the Tories on Brexit

    If after 26 years Labour cannot move on from calling people ‘Blairite,’ ‘Brownite’ etc., then it matters little who the leader is or what their policies are.
    Tories still call themselves Thatcherites or Cameroons
    No May-ists?
    Philip I suppose
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250
    Stocky said:

    Maybe you`re wrong. Maybe your particular wager went to DecrepiterJohn. How do you feel about that then?

    Well he deserves it if he worked that one out. But providing Sporting Index made a net profit my £6 goes to carers.

    However, just thinking this through, the pot for distribution has been reduced by @DecrepiterJohnL winning - if he also did Sporting - and thus he has effectively stolen some PPE from carers by being such a shrewdcake.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,298
    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    Well, let’s find out.

    The post of Leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party was created in 1922. Since that time all the leaders except those in bold have won majorities (*means never fought an election):

    Bonar Law
    Stanley Baldwin
    Neville Chamberlain*
    Winston Churchill
    Anthony Eden
    Harold Macmillan
    Sir Alec Douglas-Home, 14th Earl of Home
    Edward Heath
    Margaret Thatcher
    John Major
    William Hague
    Iain Duncan Smith*
    Michael Howard
    David Cameron
    Theresa May (just short)
    Boris Johnson

    I make that 16 leaders, of whom 2 never fought elections, in total 10 who won overall majorities and just four who did not, including May who also won an election by a much larger distance than Macdonald ever did.

    Quite a contrast.
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    Keir making good moves already
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    HYUFD said:
    Just where does he think the bears would go?

    I can see the case for wolves and lynx, and beavers are already being re-established, but reintroducing bears seems as plausible as my niece, who when young told her parents that she’d like to adopt a gorilla because “we have a big back garden and it would be no trouble”.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    4 in my lifetime (born 80s) Vs 1 for Labour.
    I was born 1965 so the score is

    7 Tory majorities (With 4 different leaders)

    1970
    1979
    1983
    1987
    1992
    2015
    2019

    to 5 Labour (With 2 different leaders)

    1966
    1974 (Oct)
    1997
    2001
    2005
    I thought the question was how many leaders not how many elections?

    Without looking it up and going from memory that's 5 Tories and 3 Labour isn't it?
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,731
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Maybe you`re wrong. Maybe your particular wager went to DecrepiterJohn. How do you feel about that then?

    Well he deserves it if he worked that one out. But providing Sporting Index made a net profit my £6 goes to carers.

    However, just thinking this through, the pot for distribution has been reduced by @DecrepiterJohnL winning - if he also did Sporting - and thus he has effectively stolen some PPE from carers by being such a shrewdcake.
    The scoundrel - tut tut.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,933
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The oddest part about the once a day rule is seriously, how many go went out for exercise more than once a day :D ?!

    Not me, but presumably it's to back up that there needs to be a reasonable excuse for being out and about, so if you're look you're lollygagging you probably don't have a good excuse.
    I'm starting to ponder just what people did all day outside the house pre lockdown :p
    Slow runners aren’t allowed to run as far? That’s ability-ist!
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    I ran five miles for the first time today. I'm also half-a-stone lighter. The lockdown and the whole plague situation may be shit in almost all respects but my fitness seems much improved!
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964
    IshmaelZ said:

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.

    Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?

    Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
    I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
    The version of 'proves' used in that saying is an old version which means 'tests' as opposed to 'verifies'. So the way people use the saying today indeed makes no sense.
    It derives from Scandinavian. In Norwegian the verb 'to try' is 'prove'. Pronounced 'prer-ver'.
    I don't see that either version makes sense. Say your rule is that all swans are white, and you come across a black swan. The modern misunderstanding is that this confirms the rule because it wouldn't be an exception unless there was a rule for it to be an exception to. But if it proves in the sense of tests, it doesn't just test, it tests and shows to be false - which doesn't seem interesting enough to have a proverb about it.
    Falsification is the basis of scientific principle. At least if you follow Karl Popper. If you cannot falsify something you cannot use it in a scientific study.
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    ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    kinabalu said:

    ROME — There is a growing sense in Italy that the worst may have passed. The weeks of locking down the country, center of the world’s deadliest coronavirus outbreak, may be starting to pay off, as officials announced this week that the numbers of new infections had plateaued.

    That glimmer of hope has turned the conversation to the daunting challenge of when and how to reopen without setting off another cataclysmic wave of contagion. To do so, Italian health officials and some politicians have focused on an idea that might once have been relegated to the realm of dystopian novels and science fiction films.

    Having the right antibodies to the virus in one’s blood — a potential marker of immunity — may soon determine who gets to work and who does not, who is locked down and who is free.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibodies.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    Yep - coronacard. It's coming. Can you imagine?
    My plan, mentioned here days ago, was similar. Those that can (and, going further, want to risk) being outside a lockdown can and they will be backed up by the health system. Those who can't (and don't want to) will stay under lockdown and will be backed up economically. As the virus dies out, or if there is a successful vaccine, then the two elements can be put back together again.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    “Don’t judge a book by its cover”.

    How the hell else do you know the author and title ?

    My all time unfavourite - since quite damaging - is the dreaded "Everything Happens For A Reason".

    Anybody says that to me, I have to take a deep breath and count to 10.
    Worse things happen at sea.... Well, maybe, but I don't expect my car is going to be hit by an uninsured iceberg on its maiden voyage, is it?
    True. But you also wont get molested by captain pugwash on the guildford bypass.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964
    HYUFD said:
    The one I am confused about on that list is why anyone would object to the reintroduction of wading birds?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,804

    HYUFD said:
    The one I am confused about on that list is why anyone would object to the reintroduction of wading birds?
    Not delicious enough?
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,898
    HYUFD said:
    To day is the first day that the reported number of deaths was higher in the UK than in Italy*


    *Caveat: The Guardian is reporting "On Saturday, the country registered 681 deaths from Covid-19 " I am assuming this means that no further cases/deaths will be anounced in Italy today.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,298
    Not good. Hope she’s OK. But as my unfortunate friend at New Cross found, giving birth in a hospital at the moment can be bloody hazardous as well.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The oddest part about the once a day rule is seriously, how many go went out for exercise more than once a day :D ?!

    Not me, but presumably it's to back up that there needs to be a reasonable excuse for being out and about, so if you're look you're lollygagging you probably don't have a good excuse.
    I'm starting to ponder just what people did all day outside the house pre lockdown :p
    Slow runners aren’t allowed to run as far? That’s ability-ist!
    2 miles in a little under a quarter of an hour last night. Today is 10k planned when my other half gets back home.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,804

    HYUFD said:
    Just where does he think the bears would go?

    I can see the case for wolves and lynx, and beavers are already being re-established, but reintroducing bears seems as plausible as my niece, who when young told her parents that she’d like to adopt a gorilla because “we have a big back garden and it would be no trouble”.
    Surely the bears would 'go' in the woods, where, by all accounts they do have toilet facilities.
    Woods, like many public lavatory facilities, can be few and far between however.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,731

    HYUFD said:
    Just where does he think the bears would go?

    I can see the case for wolves and lynx, and beavers are already being re-established, but reintroducing bears seems as plausible as my niece, who when young told her parents that she’d like to adopt a gorilla because “we have a big back garden and it would be no trouble”.
    The Scottish Highlands. The UK has no - literally no - wild landscapes. But a charity called Trees for Life (https://treesforlife.org.uk/) is re-wilding a large tract of highlands. Superb project - gives one a little hope.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,298
    HYUFD said:

    Tories still call themselves Thatcherites or Cameroons

    And you think it’s a coincidence the Tory party has been riven with splits for 30 years?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    4 in my lifetime (born 80s) Vs 1 for Labour.
    I was born 1965 so the score is

    7 Tory majorities (With 5 different leaders)

    1970
    1979
    1983
    1987
    1992
    2015
    2019

    to 5 Labour (With 2 different leaders)

    1966
    1974 (Oct)
    1997
    2001
    2005
    I thought the question was how many leaders not how many elections?

    Without looking it up and going from memory that's 5 Tories and 3 Labour isn't it?
    Only 2 for Labour I think - Wilson and Blair.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,344
    A gambling question. I'm translating Danish regulations for casino operators. What do you call one game of chance transaction, using the same word (in Danish "traek") for one pull on a one-armed bandit or one session of bingo? Or maybe one needs different words in English? A pull? Works for the one-armed bandit but still doesn't feel quite right.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,298

    HYUFD said:
    Just where does he think the bears would go?
    To the woods, to shit in.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250

    18/1 -- reasoning in previous thread -- has won last two races so in form and is one of only two to have won at the distance.

    Graphics were better than I expected.

    You must have processed the data like the program did. That's a talent that could perhaps be monetized in other ways.
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    novanova Posts: 525

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    4 in my lifetime (born 80s) Vs 1 for Labour.
    If you were born after 1983, you're yet to see a single Tory leader make it through a full term with a majority intact.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited April 2020
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    Well, let’s find out.

    The post of Leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party was created in 1922. Since that time all the leaders except those in bold have won majorities (*means never fought an election):

    Bonar Law
    Stanley Baldwin
    Neville Chamberlain*
    Winston Churchill
    Anthony Eden
    Harold Macmillan
    Sir Alec Douglas-Home, 14th Earl of Home
    Edward Heath
    Margaret Thatcher
    John Major
    William Hague
    Iain Duncan Smith*
    Michael Howard
    David Cameron
    Theresa May (just short)
    Boris Johnson

    I make that 16 leaders, of whom 2 never fought elections, in total 10 who won overall majorities and just four who did not, including May who also won an election by a much larger distance than Macdonald ever did.

    Quite a contrast.
    Blair of course had more in common with Whig or Liberal leaders than traditional Labour leaders and in the 18th and 19th and early 20th century it was much less common for Tory leaders to win majorities, no Tory leader won a majority or even most seats while Blair was Labour leader
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,298

    HYUFD said:
    Just where does he think the bears would go?

    I can see the case for wolves and lynx, and beavers are already being re-established, but reintroducing bears seems as plausible as my niece, who when young told her parents that she’d like to adopt a gorilla because “we have a big back garden and it would be no trouble”.
    We also already have wildcats, beavers, wild boar (who are a right nuisance) wading birds, birds of prey.

    So I’m not sure how helpful a chart that is, tbh.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.

    Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?

    Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
    I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
    The version of 'proves' used in that saying is an old version which means 'tests' as opposed to 'verifies'. So the way people use the saying today indeed makes no sense.
    It derives from Scandinavian. In Norwegian the verb 'to try' is 'prove'. Pronounced 'prer-ver'.
    I don't see that either version makes sense. Say your rule is that all swans are white, and you come across a black swan. The modern misunderstanding is that this confirms the rule because it wouldn't be an exception unless there was a rule for it to be an exception to. But if it proves in the sense of tests, it doesn't just test, it tests and shows to be false - which doesn't seem interesting enough to have a proverb about it.
    Falsification is the basis of scientific principle. At least if you follow Karl Popper. If you cannot falsify something you cannot use it in a scientific study.
    So it means the theoretical possibility of the exception proves the rule. I know popper said that but it seems an over sophisticated point for a proverb to make (and undermines popper's claim to originality).
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250

    I ran five miles for the first time today. I'm also half-a-stone lighter. The lockdown and the whole plague situation may be shit in almost all respects but my fitness seems much improved!

    Lost half a stone in a day! - 999?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    FPT @Quincel re investment:

    Worth looking at a 100 year chart of the Dow Jones index - see link below.

    Whilst (of course!) the overall trend is very strongly upwards it's worth noting not just the bear markets but more importantly just how long you have had to wait to just get your money back in cash (ie not even real) terms if you invest at the wrong time, ie

    eg Invest in 1929 - wait till late 1950s - ie 30 years - to get back to same level

    Invest in mid 1960s - wait till early 1990s - again almost 30 years - to get back to same level

    The above excludes dividends but US dividend yields are very low.

    OK, the above are the worst two examples and what's the chance of investing at the very peak? But even so there are many examples where you make no cash gain at all over say 10 years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dow+jones+100+year+chart&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM%3A%2CyptiZ_pi2JeLCM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQ5H8P496OR6YZ1XstAyptTMNdGiQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx7ZaAnM_oAhWRi1wKHbCfB4wQ9QEwAXoECAoQHA#imgrc=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM:
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    A gambling question. I'm translating Danish regulations for casino operators. What do you call one game of chance transaction, using the same word (in Danish "traek") for one pull on a one-armed bandit or one session of bingo? Or maybe one needs different words in English? A pull? Works for the one-armed bandit but still doesn't feel quite right.

    A Play ?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250

    A gambling question. I'm translating Danish regulations for casino operators. What do you call one game of chance transaction, using the same word (in Danish "traek") for one pull on a one-armed bandit or one session of bingo? Or maybe one needs different words in English? A pull? Works for the one-armed bandit but still doesn't feel quite right.

    Spin, Hand, Pull, are the 3 in a casino that I can think of.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Btw, if anyone wants to reinvest their Starmer winnings and is a Rishi Sunak believer than I've got £400 at 4.1 available (I'm trying to lay). I think that Johnson isn't going anywhere soon and current circumstances will have long gone by the time there's a leadership election, but if you think Sunak will make it then it's better odds than the bookies will offer.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,933
    edited April 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The oddest part about the once a day rule is seriously, how many go went out for exercise more than once a day :D ?!

    Not me, but presumably it's to back up that there needs to be a reasonable excuse for being out and about, so if you're look you're lollygagging you probably don't have a good excuse.
    I'm starting to ponder just what people did all day outside the house pre lockdown :p
    Slow runners aren’t allowed to run as far? That’s ability-ist!
    2 miles in a little under a quarter of an hour last night. Today is 10k planned when my other half gets back home.
    Your sub 50Min 10k inspired me to try and run faster, I had been slacking to around 25:20 for 5k, but managed 24:00 the other day (actually 23:58 when I got in but I fumbled the phone, and the official time is the one I stopped the clock on)
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,932
    I got my letter from Boris today - several days late and not addressed.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250

    Keir making good moves already

    He's on his way to number 10 as far as I can see. And maybe well before 2024.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,010
    MikeL said:

    FPT @Quincel re investment:

    Worth looking at a 100 year chart of the Dow Jones index - see link below.

    Whilst (of course!) the overall trend is very strongly upwards it's worth noting not just the bear markets but more importantly just how long you have had to wait to just get your money back in cash (ie not even real) terms if you invest at the wrong time, ie

    eg Invest in 1929 - wait till late 1950s - ie 30 years - to get back to same level

    Invest in mid 1960s - wait till early 1990s - again almost 30 years - to get back to same level

    The above excludes dividends but US dividend yields are very low.

    OK, the above are the worst two examples and what's the chance of investing at the very peak? But even so there are many examples where you make no cash gain at all over say 10 years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dow+jones+100+year+chart&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM%3A%2CyptiZ_pi2JeLCM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQ5H8P496OR6YZ1XstAyptTMNdGiQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx7ZaAnM_oAhWRi1wKHbCfB4wQ9QEwAXoECAoQHA#imgrc=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM:

    It's also worth remembering that you are subject to both tax, and transaction costs, which the index excludes
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,804
    kinabalu said:

    Keir making good moves already

    He's on his way to number 10 as far as I can see. And maybe well before 2024.
    How would he manage it pre 2024? If the Tories look vulnerable to losing they aren't having an early election.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,298
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    Well, let’s find out.

    The post of Leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party was created in 1922. Since that time all the leaders except those in bold have won majorities (*means never fought an election):

    Bonar Law
    Stanley Baldwin
    Neville Chamberlain*
    Winston Churchill
    Anthony Eden
    Harold Macmillan
    Sir Alec Douglas-Home, 14th Earl of Home
    Edward Heath
    Margaret Thatcher
    John Major
    William Hague
    Iain Duncan Smith*
    Michael Howard
    David Cameron
    Theresa May (just short)
    Boris Johnson

    I make that 16 leaders, of whom 2 never fought elections, in total 10 who won overall majorities and just four who did not, including May who also won an election by a much larger distance than Macdonald ever did.

    Quite a contrast.
    Blair of course had more in common with Whig or Liberal leaders than traditional Labour leaders and in the 18th and 19th and early 20th century it was much less common for Tory leaders to win majorities, no Tory leader won a majority or even most seats while Blair was Labour leader
    Hmmm.

    Let’s start with the basics. There was no ‘Tory leader’ in the nineteenth century. There was a Leader in the Commons and a Leader in the Lords. If one was an ex-Prime Minister he was regarded as the overall leader. If not, it was the one who had served for longest who was considered Senior, but not overall leader. So for example, in 1880 Northcote was considered senior to Salisbury, and in 1911 Lansdowne was considered senior to Bonar Law.

    But if I take those Tory leaders who after 1832 were considered leaders of the overall party, my list runs as follows:

    Robert Peel
    Edward Smith Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby
    Benjamin Disraeli
    Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury
    Arthur Balfour

    And I suppose you could add:

    Bonar Law*
    Austen Chamberlain*

    Which to be honest, leaving aside that last bit, doesn’t look terribly different.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,430
    kinabalu said:

    18/1 -- reasoning in previous thread -- has won last two races so in form and is one of only two to have won at the distance.

    Graphics were better than I expected.

    You must have processed the data like the program did. That's a talent that could perhaps be monetized in other ways.
    Second successive year I've given pb an Aintree winner but enough aftertiming! Since I will likely be made redundant in the summer, I shall need an alternative source of income!

    The Betfair forum is full of complaints that bookmakers forgot to lift their blocks on shrewd punters that are applied to proper racing.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    MikeL said:

    FPT @Quincel re investment:

    Worth looking at a 100 year chart of the Dow Jones index - see link below.

    Whilst (of course!) the overall trend is very strongly upwards it's worth noting not just the bear markets but more importantly just how long you have had to wait to just get your money back in cash (ie not even real) terms if you invest at the wrong time, ie

    eg Invest in 1929 - wait till late 1950s - ie 30 years - to get back to same level

    Invest in mid 1960s - wait till early 1990s - again almost 30 years - to get back to same level

    The above excludes dividends but US dividend yields are very low.

    OK, the above are the worst two examples and what's the chance of investing at the very peak? But even so there are many examples where you make no cash gain at all over say 10 years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dow+jones+100+year+chart&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM%3A%2CyptiZ_pi2JeLCM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQ5H8P496OR6YZ1XstAyptTMNdGiQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx7ZaAnM_oAhWRi1wKHbCfB4wQ9QEwAXoECAoQHA#imgrc=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM:

    Christ, must admit I hadn't realised the DJIA fell steadily for 20-30 years once. That's nuts. How did people make money during that period? This was a time of defined benefit pensions, how did that work when the second half of their career returns were negative?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    nova said:

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    4 in my lifetime (born 80s) Vs 1 for Labour.
    If you were born after 1983, you're yet to see a single Tory leader make it through a full term with a majority intact.
    Old enough to have seen it, not old enough to remember it.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,933
    edited April 2020
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,298
    nova said:

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    4 in my lifetime (born 80s) Vs 1 for Labour.
    If you were born after 1983, you're yet to see a single Tory leader make it through a full term with a majority intact.
    I was born in April 1983. Do I count?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,010
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Keir making good moves already

    He's on his way to number 10 as far as I can see. And maybe well before 2024.
    How would he manage it pre 2024? If the Tories look vulnerable to losing they aren't having an early election.
    It only takes 40-something Tory MPs in marginal seats to succumb to Coronavirus
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,898
    nova said:

    kle4 said:

    How many Tories have won majorities, by way of comparison?
    4 in my lifetime (born 80s) Vs 1 for Labour.
    If you were born after 1983, you're yet to see a single Tory leader make it through a full term with a majority intact.
    Pedant alert: Someone born in1984 did see Margaret Thatcher make it through to the full term with a Majority in June 1987. He/She was not there for the whole of the term though.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,229
    edited April 2020
    HYUFD said:
    ...move along, nothing to see here!

    Plus, Morgan does like his flags!
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,344
    kinabalu said:

    A gambling question. I'm translating Danish regulations for casino operators. What do you call one game of chance transaction, using the same word (in Danish "traek") for one pull on a one-armed bandit or one session of bingo? Or maybe one needs different words in English? A pull? Works for the one-armed bandit but still doesn't feel quite right.

    Spin, Hand, Pull, are the 3 in a casino that I can think of.
    Thanks!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,660
    Quincel said:

    MikeL said:

    FPT @Quincel re investment:

    Worth looking at a 100 year chart of the Dow Jones index - see link below.

    Whilst (of course!) the overall trend is very strongly upwards it's worth noting not just the bear markets but more importantly just how long you have had to wait to just get your money back in cash (ie not even real) terms if you invest at the wrong time, ie

    eg Invest in 1929 - wait till late 1950s - ie 30 years - to get back to same level

    Invest in mid 1960s - wait till early 1990s - again almost 30 years - to get back to same level

    The above excludes dividends but US dividend yields are very low.

    OK, the above are the worst two examples and what's the chance of investing at the very peak? But even so there are many examples where you make no cash gain at all over say 10 years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dow+jones+100+year+chart&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM%3A%2CyptiZ_pi2JeLCM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQ5H8P496OR6YZ1XstAyptTMNdGiQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx7ZaAnM_oAhWRi1wKHbCfB4wQ9QEwAXoECAoQHA#imgrc=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM:

    Christ, must admit I hadn't realised the DJIA fell steadily for 20-30 years once. That's nuts. How did people make money during that period? This was a time of defined benefit pensions, how did that work when the second half of their career returns were negative?
    They didn’t invest in the stock market.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,298
    Oh FFS. What do the members of the current Venezuelan government and military hierarchy have in their heads instead of brains?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52151951
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,430
    kinabalu said:

    A gambling question. I'm translating Danish regulations for casino operators. What do you call one game of chance transaction, using the same word (in Danish "traek") for one pull on a one-armed bandit or one session of bingo? Or maybe one needs different words in English? A pull? Works for the one-armed bandit but still doesn't feel quite right.

    Spin, Hand, Pull, are the 3 in a casino that I can think of.
    Can you not check the British (or any other English language) regulations?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,010
    MikeL said:

    FPT @Quincel re investment:

    Worth looking at a 100 year chart of the Dow Jones index - see link below.

    Whilst (of course!) the overall trend is very strongly upwards it's worth noting not just the bear markets but more importantly just how long you have had to wait to just get your money back in cash (ie not even real) terms if you invest at the wrong time, ie

    eg Invest in 1929 - wait till late 1950s - ie 30 years - to get back to same level

    Invest in mid 1960s - wait till early 1990s - again almost 30 years - to get back to same level

    The above excludes dividends but US dividend yields are very low.

    OK, the above are the worst two examples and what's the chance of investing at the very peak? But even so there are many examples where you make no cash gain at all over say 10 years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dow+jones+100+year+chart&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM%3A%2CyptiZ_pi2JeLCM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQ5H8P496OR6YZ1XstAyptTMNdGiQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx7ZaAnM_oAhWRi1wKHbCfB4wQ9QEwAXoECAoQHA#imgrc=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM:

    Oh, and don't forget inflation.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Nigelb said:

    Quincel said:

    MikeL said:

    FPT @Quincel re investment:

    Worth looking at a 100 year chart of the Dow Jones index - see link below.

    Whilst (of course!) the overall trend is very strongly upwards it's worth noting not just the bear markets but more importantly just how long you have had to wait to just get your money back in cash (ie not even real) terms if you invest at the wrong time, ie

    eg Invest in 1929 - wait till late 1950s - ie 30 years - to get back to same level

    Invest in mid 1960s - wait till early 1990s - again almost 30 years - to get back to same level

    The above excludes dividends but US dividend yields are very low.

    OK, the above are the worst two examples and what's the chance of investing at the very peak? But even so there are many examples where you make no cash gain at all over say 10 years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dow+jones+100+year+chart&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM%3A%2CyptiZ_pi2JeLCM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQ5H8P496OR6YZ1XstAyptTMNdGiQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx7ZaAnM_oAhWRi1wKHbCfB4wQ9QEwAXoECAoQHA#imgrc=ijc28Sf4ti0sEM:

    Christ, must admit I hadn't realised the DJIA fell steadily for 20-30 years once. That's nuts. How did people make money during that period? This was a time of defined benefit pensions, how did that work when the second half of their career returns were negative?
    They didn’t invest in the stock market.
    Did bonds give sufficient returns in those decades to finance pension plans? Genuine question.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,250
    edited April 2020
    kle4 said:

    How would he manage it pre 2024? If the Tories look vulnerable to losing they aren't having an early election.

    I'm just thinking that corona is so huge you can't rely on the usual logic.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,430
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Keir making good moves already

    He's on his way to number 10 as far as I can see. And maybe well before 2024.
    How would he manage it pre 2024? If the Tories look vulnerable to losing they aren't having an early election.
    It only takes 40-something Tory MPs in marginal seats to succumb to Coronavirus
    And if MI5 can't arrange that, what's the point of it?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,660

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.

    Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?

    Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
    I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
    The version of 'proves' used in that saying is an old version which means 'tests' as opposed to 'verifies'. So the way people use the saying today indeed makes no sense.
    It derives from Scandinavian. In Norwegian the verb 'to try' is 'prove'. Pronounced 'prer-ver'.
    I don't see that either version makes sense. Say your rule is that all swans are white, and you come across a black swan. The modern misunderstanding is that this confirms the rule because it wouldn't be an exception unless there was a rule for it to be an exception to. But if it proves in the sense of tests, it doesn't just test, it tests and shows to be false - which doesn't seem interesting enough to have a proverb about it.
    Falsification is the basis of scientific principle. At least if you follow Karl Popper. If you cannot falsify something you cannot use it in a scientific study.
    It’s clearly a fantastic proverb, since it provokes sustained discussion about falsifiability.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,360

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Keir making good moves already

    He's on his way to number 10 as far as I can see. And maybe well before 2024.
    How would he manage it pre 2024? If the Tories look vulnerable to losing they aren't having an early election.
    It only takes 40-something Tory MPs in marginal seats to succumb to Coronavirus
    And if MI5 can't arrange that, what's the point of it?
    There is every likelihood that the successors would all be elected.. sum gain 0
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Keir making good moves already

    He's on his way to number 10 as far as I can see. And maybe well before 2024.
    How would he manage it pre 2024? If the Tories look vulnerable to losing they aren't having an early election.
    It only takes 40-something Tory MPs in marginal seats to succumb to Coronavirus
    If 10% of the population dies I really don't care who gets to sit on top of the pile of dust.
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