From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
5 year old died today
Oh, that's terrible, I didn't know (I try to avoid watching news during the day at the moment).
she is one of the MPs I do know, and has even been a colleague from time to time, and right, RIGHT, up there in the 'transparently a terrible human being, stakes.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Why would “the court” be involved? Is this Welsh regulations?
He would appear to be in breach of both the Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) Regulations and the Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (England) Regulations. Both of these make it an offence to leave the place where you are living without reasonable excuse. The offence is triable in the Magistrates Court and carries an unlimited fine. The police can also use a fixed penalty notice but presumably feel that a £60 penalty is insufficient in this case.
What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.
Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?
Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
The version of 'proves' used in that saying is an old version which means 'tests' as opposed to 'verifies'. So the way people use the saying today indeed makes no sense.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.
Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?
Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
Prove originally meant "to test" before acquiring its more specialised modern meaning.
Although Wiktionary tells me I'm wrong and that "to test" was only one of its meanings, which it largely seems to have lost. We still talk about proving-grounds though.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
5 year old died today
Oh, that's terrible, I didn't know (I try to avoid watching news during the day at the moment).
This case not withstanding (“with underlying health condition”) the risks to children have probably gone up substantially because any temperature or related symptoms is in danger of being written of as “not dangerous” Covid-19. Whereas there are a whole host of illnesses that young children get which really are potentially fatal, especially if misdiagnosed.
What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.
Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?
Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
Prove originally meant "to test" before acquiring its more specialised modern meaning.
Although Wiktionary tells me I'm wrong and that "to test" was only one of its meanings, which it largely seems to have lost. We still talk about proving-grounds though.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Alcohol ‘proof’ refers back to the old gunpowder test.
What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.
Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?
Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
Prove originally meant "to test" before acquiring its more specialised modern meaning.
I believe the proverb is more straightforwards though, it refers to situations where telling you the only exception implicitly proves the existence of a rule. If I put up a sign at a car park saying 'Free parking on Sundays' that sign implicitly proves/states the rule (that parking is normally not free).
The Spanish word is Preuba from the verb probar - the 'b' is Spanish sounds the same as a 'v' - all of course from roots in Latin. Ironically in Latin we were always taught to pronounce 'v' as 'w'. Language can be a funny old thing!
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Well there were a few PB posters who were saying similar things about a month ago, such as the under 40s should carry on as normal to keep the economy going.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
They're walking around in groups. They're just trying it on.
Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?
He didnt look healthy in his acceptance speech.
It’s all about looks is it? Surely it’s honesty that matters.
It's neither of those, as it happens, although I dont even understand your question. They said he didn't look healthy, in what way does that indicate they think it is 'all about looks'? Maybe paulyork64 is concerned Sir Keir is a bit unwell, as many people are right now.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
They're walking around in groups. They're just trying it on.
Aren't you allowed to do that if you are in a family unit? No point staying 2m apart outside when you are much closer inside, and sometimes sleeping in the same bed!
I'd say you are taking a punt on there emerging in the post-covid world some absolutely top notch (!) international political leadership who are up to the task of working together to devise and implement a plan to allow money creation on a colossal scale without rampant inflation.
I'm bullish on that personally. The reason I am is best summed up by an old proverb. "Necessity is the mother of invention". Old proverbs are usually utter horseshit but this one is an exception. Necessity IS the mother of invention. Such has been demonstrated again and again throughout human history.
Footsie 10,000 by 2030.
And I do think this needs a to close. It being such a sunny sentiment.
What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.
Although it's probably not a good idea to discourage people from talking about their problems, I do quite like the variant, "a problem shared is a problem squared."
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
It’s actually a very good point, the original messaging, which is the key piece of messaging, was this is a threat to your granny not you.
Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?
Yep. Compared to the lithe athlete, that is Boris. A bit on the portly side!
Blimey, people are a bit salty about an innocuous comment today (though gammony was not a refernce to his size). It wasn't a criticism, he just looks a little flushed. Maybe he's under the weather, maybe he's excited, maybe he's just naturally a little red, it wasn't a suggestion Boris was a human adonis.
The extent to which it is sunny depends heavily upon your envisaged level of inflation.
Right, so what I mean is, debt levels on the other side of the virus will be untenable, and since "austerity" - indeed any fiscal remedy - will be impossible the response will have to be the "magic money tree". Or "forest" rather, since it will be on a gigantic scale. Also a "forest" because it will not be just the UK, it will be all or most developed economies, certainly including the US and the EU.
So, this could lead to rampant inflation - defining that as, say, anything seriously into 2 digits since we are so unused to it - or even its twisted sister, stagflation. But it won't if countries and central banks work together in a really smart and co-operative way. In other words, if they can rise to what will be the biggest challenge that any of them have ever faced. A Corona New Deal, no less, is what they will have to come up with. MASSIVE test of international political leadership.
And my money's on them to do it. The EU will no doubt show the way. Thank god there still is one. Just imagine if all we had were silly little disconnected European nation states all looking to Trumpified America or Xi's China for salvation. It hardly bears thinking about. Of course we will want to be a part of this EU led Corona New Deal, so Brexit will need to be postponed, perhaps indefinitely.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
That’s not my point. The suggestion is sunbathers aren’t following the guidance because they have received the message that they aren’t at risk if they catch it. I’m saying that they’ve got the message that they can still be at risk, but believe that they they won’t catch it if they are careful. Because, well, nonessential sunbathing with nobody within 5 metres is safer than essential shopping with people regularly within 2 metres. That doesn’t mean they should do it, but doesn’t mean they are being reckless on a personal level.
What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.
Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?
Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
The version of 'proves' used in that saying is an old version which means 'tests' as opposed to 'verifies'. So the way people use the saying today indeed makes no sense.
It sort of does, in that if a thing among a series of things is exceptional, the other things tend to be the norm (if not the rule). Agree though that it's pooped out far too often, usually with a smug 'argument won' sort of vibe.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
They're walking around in groups. They're just trying it on.
Same as the crinklies in M&S today according to my mate.
Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?
Yep. Compared to the lithe athlete, that is Boris. A bit on the portly side!
Blimey, people are a bit salty about an innocuous comment today (though gammony was not a refernce to his size). It wasn't a criticism, he just looks a little flushed. Maybe he's under the weather, maybe he's excited, maybe he's just naturally a little red, it wasn't a suggestion Boris was a human adonis.
You would be a little flushed after learning of a meeting pencilled in for next week with someone not recovering too well from Covid-19. I recommend Starmer wears mask, visor and thick rigger's gloves!
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
The problem with that is inner city parks aren’t large enough to allow for distancing if everyone gets that idea, though.
What is your horseshittest old proverb kinabalu? I've never liked "a problem shared is a problem halved", but might work for some people.
Oh there are so many but one that springs immediately to mind is "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I mean - what?
Although - just occurs - it might just work for the virus. If you catch it and pull through you will get your government issued "corona card", proving immunity, and armed with this most valuable of items in post covid Britain you will be able to resume normal life while the less fortunate remain incarcerated until there is a vaccine.
I`ve never got to grips with ""it`s the exception that proves the rule".
The version of 'proves' used in that saying is an old version which means 'tests' as opposed to 'verifies'. So the way people use the saying today indeed makes no sense.
It sort of does, in that if a thing among a series of things is exceptional, the other things tend to be the norm (if not the rule). Agree though that it's pooped out far too often, usually with a smug 'argument won' sort of vibe.
I've never really thought of it that way. I suppose some exceptions do sort of 'prove' some rules.
Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?
Yep. Compared to the lithe athlete, that is Boris. A bit on the portly side!
Blimey, people are a bit salty about an innocuous comment today (though gammony was not a refernce to his size). It wasn't a criticism, he just looks a little flushed. Maybe he's under the weather, maybe he's excited, maybe he's just naturally a little red, it wasn't a suggestion Boris was a human adonis.
You would be a little flushed after learning of a meeting pencilled in for next week with someone not recovering too well from Covid-19. I recommend Starmer wears mask, visor and thick rigger's gloves!
I confess I had assumed that the meeting would take place virtually, but it's still not bad idea.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
The problem with that is inner city parks aren’t large enough to allow for distancing if everyone gets that idea, though.
Precisely, it's not about how it affects one person, it is about how it affects us all.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
From some conversations I’ve had I’ve got the impression that many (young) people (who haven’t necessarily been following in detail) don’t think over 70s are allowed out at all, and express surprise to find them going for walks etc.
Another thing about those rumoured appointments, is SKS seemingly planning on sacking Emily Thornberry. That's pretty surprising given she's considered to have done a reasonable job as SFS and is basically from the same wing as the party as Starmer.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
They're walking around in groups. They're just trying it on.
Same as the crinklies in M&S today according to my mate.
I cannot blame the sunbathers. Look at the Standard's photo and they are clearly following the government's guidelines on social distancing. You might complain they are flouting the stay home part, but that imo just shows government messaging has been unclear, which is that you can leave home and go to the park in a family group provided you keep moving and not lie down. Quite what difference this makes to spreading the virus is anyone's guess.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
For those in the UK twisting their knickers over civil liberties and sunbathing - here in Spain Trafico have just posted in our area that there will be roadblock on all roads to beach resorts over Easter. For which there is huge support among the locals. The problem with the 'nitpickers' is that there are always plenty of dickheads ready to push the limits and frankly waste Police time. Of course if all you want is to score points you will end up with a much longer lockdown.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
another press conference, another really bone question, sigh
I think they are getting a bit better, especially when you compare to the earlier ones.
oh yes, there was one very good set of questions - and responses - not long after. I think Gove is one of the better performers at this type of things - knows when to talk and also knows when not to talk.
the first ones were also excellent - they lost their way a bit when they went daily and didn't quite know what to do with the regular sessions.
Another thing about those rumoured appointments, is SKS seemingly planning on sacking Emily Thornberry. That's pretty surprising given she's considered to have done a reasonable job as SFS and is basically from the same wing as the party as Starmer.
She is not a great asset to the party when it comes to recovering White Van Man's vote.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
The problem with that is inner city parks aren’t large enough to allow for distancing if everyone gets that idea, though.
Perhaps. In the examples shown, that clearly isn't the case, but I can see how it could escalate to a full blown carnival, with everyone who lived in the area congregating. Obviously exacerbated by the fact that those with vehicles may not drive to less crowded spots. The fact remains, that vitman D deficiency is serious business, and is implicated in a whole variety of medical conditions. If God forbid this situation extends, somehow peoples' needs are going to have to be accommodated.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
They're walking around in groups. They're just trying it on.
Same as the crinklies in M&S today according to my mate.
Although Wiktionary tells me I'm wrong and that "to test" was only one of its meanings, which it largely seems to have lost. We still talk about proving-grounds though.
No, I think you're onto something. "Prove" in baking means to pummel the dough into shape. So, the exception that pummels the rule into shape. IE which tests it, as you say, and afterwards it - the rule - is leaner and meaner and more fit for purpose. The rule has "proved itself" in the face of serious opposition - the exception - and has come out of it a better rule.
Unless, of course the exception "wins" the contest. In which case the rule is no more. It has been beaten (disproved) by the exception. It is dead.
So, whatever doesn't kill a rule DOES make it stronger.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
The problem with that is inner city parks aren’t large enough to allow for distancing if everyone gets that idea, though.
Perhaps. In the examples shown, that clearly isn't the case, but I can see how it could escalate to a full blown carnival, with everyone who lived in the area congregating. Obviously exacerbated by the fact that those with vehicles may not drive to less crowded spots. The fact remains, that vitman D deficiency is serious business, and is implicated in a whole variety of medical conditions. If God forbid this situation extends, somehow peoples' needs are going to have to be accommodated.
Perhaps the government should send round a supplement. It's a miracle we survive the winter.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
That’s not my point. The suggestion is sunbathers aren’t following the guidance because they have received the message that they aren’t at risk if they catch it. I’m saying that they’ve got the message that they can still be at risk, but believe that they they won’t catch it if they are careful. Because, well, nonessential sunbathing with nobody within 5 metres is safer than essential shopping with people regularly within 2 metres. That doesn’t mean they should do it, but doesn’t mean they are being reckless on a personal level.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
They're walking around in groups. They're just trying it on.
Same as the crinklies in M&S today according to my mate.
I cannot blame the sunbathers. Look at the Standard's photo and they are clearly following the government's guidelines on social distancing. You might complain they are flouting the stay home part, but that imo just shows government messaging has been unclear, which is that you can leave home and go to the park in a family group provided you keep moving and not lie down. Quite what difference this makes to spreading the virus is anyone's guess.
Just looking at the guidelines for parks and it says "This means one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle – alone or with members of your household. And even when doing this, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home". It doesn't say don't sunbathe but it doesn't say don't set up a barbecue or whatever either so, on this, it does appear pretty clear.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
They're walking around in groups. They're just trying it on.
Guidelines are that you can exercise in household groups.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
That's because there isn't a rule. Johnson et al have said it, but the legislation in England doesn't mention it.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
From some conversations I’ve had I’ve got the impression that many (young) people (who haven’t necessarily been following in detail) don’t think over 70s are allowed out at all, and express surprise to find them going for walks etc.
Have you ask them why they think that is the case? Working it through logically might help them understand why that's a rather daft assumption.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
It may be the guidance but it’s not the law. And sunbathing with social distancing isn’t in itself a problem. It’s the risk of overcrowding that is determining the guidance.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
That's because there isn't a rule. Johnson et al have said it, but the legislation in England doesn't mention it.
I'd be surprised if the legislation said anything so specific, rather it would give them general powers to keep people inside.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?
Yep. Compared to the lithe athlete, that is Boris. A bit on the portly side!
Blimey, people are a bit salty about an innocuous comment today (though gammony was not a refernce to his size). It wasn't a criticism, he just looks a little flushed. Maybe he's under the weather, maybe he's excited, maybe he's just naturally a little red, it wasn't a suggestion Boris was a human adonis.
You would be a little flushed after learning of a meeting pencilled in for next week with someone not recovering too well from Covid-19. I recommend Starmer wears mask, visor and thick rigger's gloves!
I confess I had assumed that the meeting would take place virtually, but it's still not bad idea.
another press conference, another really bone question, sigh
I think they are getting a bit better, especially when you compare to the earlier ones.
oh yes, there was one very good set of questions - and responses - not long after. I think Gove is one of the better performers at this type of things - knows when to talk and also knows when not to talk.
the first ones were also excellent - they lost their way a bit when they went daily and didn't quite know what to do with the regular sessions.
Gove has perhaps learned from his Education days that he is no good at numbers (remember he demanded that every school should be above average) so is happy to defer to the experts, whereas other ministers are prone to quote the figures in the brief and sometimes garble them or take them slightly out of context.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
There is absolutely no rule saying that exercise can only be once a day or only for an hour. None whatever.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Published guidance -
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Published guidance -
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
Guidance.
Ergo, it's a good idea to follow it given the purpose of the legislation, but it is not a rule. You might be in breach of the rules if you breach the guidance, but merely being against guidance would not necessarily be a breach of the rules.
Starmer is no Corbynite but he is no Blairite either, this is more a victory for Brownites ideologically (Brown endorsed Starmer after all). The fact Nandy only got 16% as the candidate most willing to reach out to Leavers suggests Labour also clearly wants to put clear blue water between themselves and the Tories on Brexit
If after 26 years Labour cannot move on from calling people ‘Blairite,’ ‘Brownite’ etc., then it matters little who the leader is or what their policies are.
Tories still call themselves Thatcherites or Cameroons
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Published guidance -
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
Guidance. Not a rule. If you want to go for a lonely 2 hour walk along an empty path to take some exercise, that is a reasonable excuse.
Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?
Yep. Compared to the lithe athlete, that is Boris. A bit on the portly side!
Blimey, people are a bit salty about an innocuous comment today (though gammony was not a refernce to his size). It wasn't a criticism, he just looks a little flushed. Maybe he's under the weather, maybe he's excited, maybe he's just naturally a little red, it wasn't a suggestion Boris was a human adonis.
You would be a little flushed after learning of a meeting pencilled in for next week with someone not recovering too well from Covid-19. I recommend Starmer wears mask, visor and thick rigger's gloves!
I confess I had assumed that the meeting would take place virtually, but it's still not bad idea.
He'd look a bit odd on the conf call.
My firm's guidelines on video conferencing are not to worry if your children or pets stray into view or even earshot; it is OK to stop to pour orange juice. I see no reason why Keir should not dress like a welder if the fancy takes him.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
The problem with that is inner city parks aren’t large enough to allow for distancing if everyone gets that idea, though.
Perhaps. In the examples shown, that clearly isn't the case, but I can see how it could escalate to a full blown carnival, with everyone who lived in the area congregating. Obviously exacerbated by the fact that those with vehicles may not drive to less crowded spots. The fact remains, that vitman D deficiency is serious business, and is implicated in a whole variety of medical conditions. If God forbid this situation extends, somehow peoples' needs are going to have to be accommodated.
Perhaps the government should send round a supplement. It's a miracle we survive the winter.
It's one idea, but the jury is a bit out on the effectiveness of Vitamin D supplements. Vitamin D is a hormone afaik, and difficult to synthesise. You can get it by leaving mushrooms out in the sunshine apparently, then eating them. Provided a police officer doesn't come along and yell at them for sunbathing.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Published guidance -
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
Yes, that's what I mean about the guidance - unless you're trying to be deliberately clever about it it's intent is clear that you should head out once a day to exercise and no more, but this whole "hour" business is new to me. When was that added ?
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Published guidance -
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
Guidance.
Ergo, it's a good idea to follow it given the purpoe of the legislation, but it is not a rule.
"These measures must be followed by everyone. "
That's a rule, folks, not guidance. Once a day (could be two hours or whatever, but once a day it is).
Not all FTSE 100 Stocks have been hammered by the Covid-19 Pandemic. I have a holding in Hikma Pharmaceuticals which yesterday closed at a 3.5 year high of 2280p having been significantly lower at 1842p on 24 February before the market crashed, slumping to a low of 1700p by 23 March before increasing by no less than 34% over the past 12 days.
Another of my holdings AstraZeneca, the UK's second largest company by Market Capitalisation has fallen by only around 3.6% from 7410p before the crash, closing at 7144p yesterday.
For those in the UK twisting their knickers over civil liberties and sunbathing - here in Spain Trafico have just posted in our area that there will be roadblock on all roads to beach resorts over Easter. For which there is huge support among the locals. The problem with the 'nitpickers' is that there are always plenty of dickheads ready to push the limits and frankly waste Police time. Of course if all you want is to score points you will end up with a much longer lockdown.
What do people in Spain think of the Swedish approach?
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Published guidance -
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
Guidance. Not a rule. If you want to go for a lonely 2 hour walk along an empty path to take some exercise, that is a reasonable excuse.
The 2 hour walk falls within the guidance though, it's the hour part I'm mystified about. Never ever seen or heard that mentioned in the guidance. I've barely watched TV since this whole thing started mind.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Do you normally get oldies out sunbathing? The impression you'll get from these photos is that it's only the young, because these are the activities the young typically get up to.
Oldies go to the park usually to have a walk and that's mostly what they're showing, not sunbathing (makes for a more sensationalist headline, though). It fits the figures we saw that the UK had vastly more people going to the park than France, for example.
Walking in the park is allowed though, sunbathing is not.
So basically stopping then? What an utterly ridiculous 'rule'. The nation was already Vitamin D deficient.
There's a difference between stopping, and throwing down a towel and taking your top off!
Yes there is, and after we disagreed yesterday, please don't think I'm picking a fight - it wasn't you that made these rules.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
From some conversations I’ve had I’ve got the impression that many (young) people (who haven’t necessarily been following in detail) don’t think over 70s are allowed out at all, and express surprise to find them going for walks etc.
Have you ask them why they think that is the case? Working it through logically might help them understand why that's a rather daft assumption.
I think it’s just because at some point it was widely speculated/trailed as what would happen. That the reality was different didn’t register.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Published guidance -
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
ROME — There is a growing sense in Italy that the worst may have passed. The weeks of locking down the country, center of the world’s deadliest coronavirus outbreak, may be starting to pay off, as officials announced this week that the numbers of new infections had plateaued.
That glimmer of hope has turned the conversation to the daunting challenge of when and how to reopen without setting off another cataclysmic wave of contagion. To do so, Italian health officials and some politicians have focused on an idea that might once have been relegated to the realm of dystopian novels and science fiction films.
Having the right antibodies to the virus in one’s blood — a potential marker of immunity — may soon determine who gets to work and who does not, who is locked down and who is free.
From the looks of it, the vast majority in their 20s/30s. The wrong message took hold, that the old die from it, when it should have been that all except those under ten will suffer from it.
Not necessarily. 20-30 year old cramming into pubs might indicate that. People sitting in parks on their own or in family groups is more people interpreting the guidance in their own way and concluding they are following the spirit, if not the letter, of the Govt advice. They’re not doing it in expectation of getting it and being fine.
The instruction was to stay at home. This is why guidance is not enough, there needs to be something clearer.
I thought it was clear. You can go out for excercise including going for a walk or walking a dog. Once a day, up to an hour. Sun bathing is not excercise or going for walk.
I've never known about that hour rule.
There is no one hour rule in the regulations or the published guidance, nor is there a once a day rule.
Published guidance -
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
Guidance.
Ergo, it's a good idea to follow it given the purpoe of the legislation, but it is not a rule.
"These measures must be followed by everyone. "
That's a rule, folks, not guidance. Once a day (could be two hours or whatever, but once a day it is).
No, if the law does not back up the guidance it remains guidance, which is why you quoted it as guidance. If the law says you can only go out once, it is a rule.
I'm following that guidance, I've been going out once a day for less than hour close to my home. But if the law does not say that is the rule then I won't accept it is a rule, it doesn't matter how much the guidance says it must be followed or even if the government says 'this is what the law means' - government guidance is not law, ministerial statements are not law.
Governments have found before that the way a law is drafted means it does not mean what they wanted it to mean.
Dare it be said that Keir looks a little...gammony in that picture?
Yep. Compared to the lithe athlete, that is Boris. A bit on the portly side!
Blimey, people are a bit salty about an innocuous comment today (though gammony was not a refernce to his size). It wasn't a criticism, he just looks a little flushed. Maybe he's under the weather, maybe he's excited, maybe he's just naturally a little red, it wasn't a suggestion Boris was a human adonis.
You would be a little flushed after learning of a meeting pencilled in for next week with someone not recovering too well from Covid-19. I recommend Starmer wears mask, visor and thick rigger's gloves!
I confess I had assumed that the meeting would take place virtually, but it's still not bad idea.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3601941/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Curious-case-Labour-hopeful-says-ve-not-swimwear-model.html
All our ICU patients are in their 50s or younger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejlbCmRJMW4
This guy comes across as a top bloke, someone you can really believe in
Give a moron a badge and he’ll think he rules the world.
So, this could lead to rampant inflation - defining that as, say, anything seriously into 2 digits since we are so unused to it - or even its twisted sister, stagflation. But it won't if countries and central banks work together in a really smart and co-operative way. In other words, if they can rise to what will be the biggest challenge that any of them have ever faced. A Corona New Deal, no less, is what they will have to come up with. MASSIVE test of international political leadership.
And my money's on them to do it. The EU will no doubt show the way. Thank god there still is one. Just imagine if all we had were silly little disconnected European nation states all looking to Trumpified America or Xi's China for salvation. It hardly bears thinking about. Of course we will want to be a part of this EU led Corona New Deal, so Brexit will need to be postponed, perhaps indefinitely.
However, in my opinion, being allowed a brisk trot, and not being allowed to stop and display your fleshy limbs to the sun, is a ludicrous distinction. For people who don't have an outside space, it's important to get some outdoor time, and some sun. The only material aim here seems to be to prevent an element of enjoyment from creeping in.
How the hell else do you know the author and title ?
Not quite @Cyclefree gardeners question time, but can anyone identify this breed of sheep?
Before anyone has the vapours, picture taken from my garden!
the first ones were also excellent - they lost their way a bit when they went daily and didn't quite know what to do with the regular sessions.
Unless, of course the exception "wins" the contest. In which case the rule is no more. It has been beaten (disproved) by the exception. It is dead.
So, whatever doesn't kill a rule DOES make it stronger.
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
* I had a Welsh grandmother, so it may be a hereditary passion.
Ergo, it's a good idea to follow it given the purpose of the legislation, but it is not a rule. You might be in breach of the rules if you breach the guidance, but merely being against guidance would not necessarily be a breach of the rules.
That's a rule, folks, not guidance. Once a day (could be two hours or whatever, but once a day it is).
Not all FTSE 100 Stocks have been hammered by the Covid-19 Pandemic. I have a holding in Hikma Pharmaceuticals which yesterday closed at a 3.5 year high of 2280p having been significantly lower at 1842p on 24 February before the market crashed, slumping to a low of 1700p by 23 March before increasing by no less than 34% over the past 12 days.
Another of my holdings AstraZeneca, the UK's second largest company by Market Capitalisation has fallen by only around 3.6% from 7410p before the crash, closing at 7144p yesterday.
In France it is one hour, and you need to carry a letter with you stating your reason for being outdoors including the start time.
Anybody says that to me, I have to take a deep breath and count to 10.
That glimmer of hope has turned the conversation to the daunting challenge of when and how to reopen without setting off another cataclysmic wave of contagion. To do so, Italian health officials and some politicians have focused on an idea that might once have been relegated to the realm of dystopian novels and science fiction films.
Having the right antibodies to the virus in one’s blood — a potential marker of immunity — may soon determine who gets to work and who does not, who is locked down and who is free.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibodies.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
I'm following that guidance, I've been going out once a day for less than hour close to my home. But if the law does not say that is the rule then I won't accept it is a rule, it doesn't matter how much the guidance says it must be followed or even if the government says 'this is what the law means' - government guidance is not law, ministerial statements are not law.
Governments have found before that the way a law is drafted means it does not mean what they wanted it to mean.