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He's won the argument.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1246067159979057155
Bye, it's been a blast.1 -
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.0 -
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
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Indeed yes. They have done more to ensure a ridiculously improbable Tory hegemony than any figure since Lord Salisbury.rottenborough said:1 -
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
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One of my pals has started calling the PM Boris Pilate given his recent catchphrase.ydoethur said:
Pontius Pilate used a basin.Luckyguy1983 said:
Good to see the EU giving Italy and Spain an encouraging high five.kle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
And following sensible handwashing procedures.0 -
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
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5G is a new contender for the top spot.matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
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Charisma tends to wins US elections not IQ nor debate ability, Kerry, Romney and Hillary all did well in the debates and all lost as they lacked charisma in large partnunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.0 -
Lot of water yet to flow.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
Harris is 170.
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Well it's not really. It's only too late right now if he doesn't pull out/if this doesn't become a big enough story to sink him. Those most likely will be the case, but only because the Democratic establishment are continuing to make that decision, not because it's too late.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.0 -
More Time Out, I think...IanB2 said:
And that was probably Take Five..IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen0 -
I mean they'd do it with his co-operation. If he really does have early signs of dementia, a solution would have to be found. The replacement could be Sanders or somebody else. I'm not too fussed. Trump's a loser this year so long as the opponent is not suffering from severe cognitive impairment. Even then I'd be hopeful but would rather not take the risk.Malmesbury said:I don't think they can swap him out. Unless he resigns the nomination - at which point the Sanders supporters will demand their man...
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You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
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Imagine trying to explain Jeremy Corbyn to Lord Salisburyydoethur said:
Indeed yes. They have done more to ensure a ridiculously improbable Tory hegemony than any figure since Lord Salisbury.rottenborough said:1 -
Biden just looks 170.rottenborough said:
Lot of water yet to flow.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
Harris is 170.
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No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Take away the handwashing, and the cartoon works pretty well for the sovereign debt crisis. Replace Spain with Greece, and it works for the migrant crisis as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
Good to see the EU giving Italy and Spain an encouraging high five.kle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
And following sensible handwashing procedures.
Gosh, the EU isn't good in a crisis, is it?0 -
Asymptomatic when they stepped off the plane in China for quarantine, is not the same as asymptomatic through the course of the disease. Interesting finding though, and does make temperature measurements at airport arrival a bit pointless.rottenborough said:Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375?=&utm_source=adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=usage&utm_content=daily&utm_term=text0 -
Can you use the 25th Amendment on a candidate?DavidL said:
Truly awful. What have the Dems done?IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen0 -
He sat in cabinet with General Peel. I don't think he'd find Corbyn that hard to understand.Malmesbury said:
Imagine trying to explain Jeremy Corbyn to Lord Salisburyydoethur said:
Indeed yes. They have done more to ensure a ridiculously improbable Tory hegemony than any figure since Lord Salisbury.rottenborough said:0 -
Early?kinabalu said:
I mean they'd do it with his co-operation. If he really does have early signs of dementia, a solution would have to be found. The replacement could be Sanders or somebody else. I'm not too fussed. Trump's a loser this year so long as the opponent is not suffering from severe cognitive impairment. Even then I'd be hopeful but would rather not take the risk.Malmesbury said:I don't think they can swap him out. Unless he resigns the nomination - at which point the Sanders supporters will demand their man...
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It was a truly great speech. Pidcock at Durham Miners Gala 2019 came close (for me) but Kinnock's had way more riding on it. It was a Moment.DavidL said:In fairness Kinnock wrote some brilliant speeches. His Bournemouth 1985 speech was one of the best by a British politician I have ever heard. I honestly can't think of a better one in my lifetime.
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Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Just back from my weekly trip to the supermarket. The car park was full and it took nearly 90 minutes from leaving the car to returning with the groceries. Also more cars on the roads. The local newspaper reported the first death in my NHS trust which covers Kirklees and Calderdale. Is there a national database of deaths as well as the virus counts?0
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OT and in the spirit of lightening the mood somewhat, has anyone else noticed there seem to be a very large number of Chiffchaffs around this year? I seem to be noticing them in every tree at the moment.
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We now have officially more deaths than China - 3605 vs 3322.0
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Clinton was generally considered to have won the debates last time and it did her no good.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
To win the Democrats will have to emulate the Republicans in 2016. They will have to keep their eyes on the main prize - choosing the next Supreme Court Justice - and work the public up in anger at the manifest failings of their opponent in the hope that they'll overlook the weaknesses of their own.0 -
PB satire at its very best. Bravo!kinabalu said:
It was a truly great speech. Pidcock at Durham Miners Gala 2019 came close (for me) but Kinnock's had way more riding on it. It was a Moment.DavidL said:In fairness Kinnock wrote some brilliant speeches. His Bournemouth 1985 speech was one of the best by a British politician I have ever heard. I honestly can't think of a better one in my lifetime.
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It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Gosh, the EU is never good in some peoples views, crisis or not.Endillion said:
Take away the handwashing, and the cartoon works pretty well for the sovereign debt crisis. Replace Spain with Greece, and it works for the migrant crisis as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
Good to see the EU giving Italy and Spain an encouraging high five.kle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
And following sensible handwashing procedures.
Gosh, the EU isn't good in a crisis, is it?
The cartoon does illustrate these views. Doesn't make these views accurate, though.0 -
I will always take a compliment but if you are implying that I do NOT rate that speech by Laura - wind tossing her hair as she more or less preaches - you are mistaken. Would have given SKS a run for his money methinks.Richard_Nabavi said:PB satire at its very best. Bravo!
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I think the concern, from the Netherlands etc, is that the countries in question are using the crisis as an excuse to wipe the economic slate clean.MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
I read earlier in the week that Swallows were now overwintering in Galway. The mild winter might have been kind to smaller birds too.Richard_Tyndall said:OT and in the spirit of lightening the mood somewhat, has anyone else noticed there seem to be a very large number of Chiffchaffs around this year? I seem to be noticing them in every tree at the moment.
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Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Its a structural problem. The duty of the Commission is to find common ground amongst the members. The same mindset dominates the bank with the additional provision that Germany seems to be given an effective veto. This need for a consensus makes prompt or effective action very difficult.Endillion said:
Take away the handwashing, and the cartoon works pretty well for the sovereign debt crisis. Replace Spain with Greece, and it works for the migrant crisis as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
Good to see the EU giving Italy and Spain an encouraging high five.kle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
And following sensible handwashing procedures.
Gosh, the EU isn't good in a crisis, is it?
When you look where the EEC/EU started and its original areas of competence this was not a problem because it was largely framework. Control of monetary policy really requires something much more fleet of foot. Without it the Member States are facing the current calamity with their right hand tied behind their back. Its bad news for them and bad news for us because they remain our major market.0 -
Trump would easily beat Harris, she has ittle charisma, represents California not Pennsylvania like Biden and already looks to be a drag on the Biden ticket if he picked her for VProttenborough said:
Lot of water yet to flow.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
Harris is 170.
Just saying...
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Shouldn't the question be how has it helped them?matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Haven't noticed that, but what I have noticed and is very welcome is the return of song thrushes, after two or three years when they weren't around much.Richard_Tyndall said:OT and in the spirit of lightening the mood somewhat, has anyone else noticed there seem to be a very large number of Chiffchaffs around this year? I seem to be noticing them in every tree at the moment.
Also we're inundated with ladybirds, of various different types.0 -
Exactly, Eurobonds are a means of last resort. It's not inconceivable they might be the required tool at some point in the future. For a start it might be correct to use the ESM and not go all-in right away.Malmesbury said:
I think the concern, from the Netherlands etc, is that the countries in question are using the crisis as an excuse to wipe the economic slate clean.MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Biden represents Delaware, does he not?HYUFD said:
Trump would easily beat Harris, she has ittle charisma, represents California not Pennsylvania like Biden and already looks to be a drag on the Biden ticket if he picked her for VProttenborough said:
Lot of water yet to flow.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
Harris is 170.
Just saying...
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One was an un-moveable blockhead who couldn't listen to reason in his own self interest. The other is General Peel.ydoethur said:
He sat in cabinet with General Peel. I don't think he'd find Corbyn that hard to understand.Malmesbury said:
Imagine trying to explain Jeremy Corbyn to Lord Salisburyydoethur said:
Indeed yes. They have done more to ensure a ridiculously improbable Tory hegemony than any figure since Lord Salisbury.rottenborough said:
I'll get my coat.1 -
Well he knows who he is.Stereotomy said:Early?
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Trying to save every life - 71%HYUFD said:
Protecting the economy - 8%
If those are the only two choices that is a hopeless question; they should have offered at least c. a combination of a and b. That still doesn't offer anything close to what I want which is: minimise net human suffering by first doing whatever it takes to get through this first wave without a complete meltdown of society (which means lockdown as at present, or even harder); then we can talk about QALY and economic harm and stuff, without ruling out that we expose older people to a higher risk of death *provided that* we can guarantee them a decent death in comfort and with all the medical attention we can give. It's that proviso which in my view rules out, at this stage, but only at this stage, a Sweden/Hitchens "let it rip" attitude.1 -
I thought that was going to say “Momentum members have rewritten the rules... and I’m staying on!!”rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1246067159979057155
Bye, it's been a blast.1 -
Don't bring facts into this conversation, please, Foxy, it will only cause confusion.Foxy said:
Biden represents Delaware, does he not?HYUFD said:
Trump would easily beat Harris, she has ittle charisma, represents California not Pennsylvania like Biden and already looks to be a drag on the Biden ticket if he picked her for VProttenborough said:
Lot of water yet to flow.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
Harris is 170.
Just saying...
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The EU has been far from inactive. But its competences are quite limited.RobD said:
Shouldn't the question be how has it helped them?matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:0 -
As I suspected the "F**k the lock down and let's all go down the pub and watch the footy" school of thought is vastly over represented on PB.HYUFD said:-1 -
It's good at some things - trade deals, for example - where being really big and powerful is an advantage.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Gosh, the EU is never good in some peoples views, crisis or not.Endillion said:
Take away the handwashing, and the cartoon works pretty well for the sovereign debt crisis. Replace Spain with Greece, and it works for the migrant crisis as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
Good to see the EU giving Italy and Spain an encouraging high five.kle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
And following sensible handwashing procedures.
Gosh, the EU isn't good in a crisis, is it?
The cartoon does illustrate these views. Doesn't make these views accurate, though.
Watching it try to react to rapidly developing situations is like watching a tree realise that it isn't getting enough sunlight because someone built a wall next to it, and it needs to grow more in the opposite direction.0 -
I know you hold a torch for her, but I doubt that she`ll have done any better than RLB.kinabalu said:
I will always take a compliment but if you are implying that I do NOT rate that speech by Laura - wind tossing her hair as she more or less preaches - you are mistaken. Would have given SKS a run for his money methinks.Richard_Nabavi said:PB satire at its very best. Bravo!
To my surprise, I`ve been impressed (at times) with RLB over the campaign. She was interviewed in a few podcasts that I listen to. She`s much more intelligent than I gave her credit for, and also very likeable.
Full 180 from me. Thought I should fess up.0 -
Possibly the second best quotation on electoral reform is Derby to Disraeli on Peel.Malmesbury said:
One was an un-moveable blockhead who couldn't listen to reason in his own self interest. The other is General Peel.ydoethur said:
He sat in cabinet with General Peel. I don't think he'd find Corbyn that hard to understand.Malmesbury said:
Imagine trying to explain Jeremy Corbyn to Lord Salisburyydoethur said:
Indeed yes. They have done more to ensure a ridiculously improbable Tory hegemony than any figure since Lord Salisbury.rottenborough said:
I'll get my coat.
'You will find him very reasonable on every subject until somebody mentions the words 'household suffrage,' whereat his eye lights up with insanity.'0 -
And moved the Overton window.matthiasfromhamburg said:He's won the argument.
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He holds no elected office at present but in his early years grew up in PennsylvaniaFoxy said:
Biden represents Delaware, does he not?HYUFD said:
Trump would easily beat Harris, she has ittle charisma, represents California not Pennsylvania like Biden and already looks to be a drag on the Biden ticket if he picked her for VProttenborough said:
Lot of water yet to flow.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
Harris is 170.
Just saying...
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Mondale debated Reagan pretty effectively too.HYUFD said:
Charisma tends to wins US elections not IQ nor debate ability, Kerry, Romney and Hillary all did well in the debates and all lost as they lacked charisma in large partnunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.1 -
Yes you have to go back to Nixon in 1968 to find the last time the less charismatic candidate won a presidential election and he beat Humphrey by less than 1% in the popular voteBurgessian said:
Mondale debated Reagan pretty effectively too.HYUFD said:
Charisma tends to wins US elections not IQ nor debate ability, Kerry, Romney and Hillary all did well in the debates and all lost as they lacked charisma in large partnunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.0 -
Starmer isn't going to be a historically bad leader, so yeah, of course he's going to look good in comparison.0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPDOYPxSSv0Burgessian said:
Mondale debated Reagan pretty effectively too.HYUFD said:
Charisma tends to wins US elections not IQ nor debate ability, Kerry, Romney and Hillary all did well in the debates and all lost as they lacked charisma in large partnunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.0 -
Lot of truth in that. Member states insistence on as much sovereignty as possible requires processes which create substantial inertia. There are pros and cons to everything.Endillion said:
It's good at some things - trade deals, for example - where being really big and powerful is an advantage.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Gosh, the EU is never good in some peoples views, crisis or not.Endillion said:
Take away the handwashing, and the cartoon works pretty well for the sovereign debt crisis. Replace Spain with Greece, and it works for the migrant crisis as well.Luckyguy1983 said:
Good to see the EU giving Italy and Spain an encouraging high five.kle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
And following sensible handwashing procedures.
Gosh, the EU isn't good in a crisis, is it?
The cartoon does illustrate these views. Doesn't make these views accurate, though.
Watching it try to react to rapidly developing situations is like watching a tree realise that it isn't getting enough sunlight because someone built a wall next to it, and it needs to grow more in the opposite direction.0 -
I could even go for epochally bad, I don't think we'll see someone as fundamentally unsuited in that sort of leadership role for some time.
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Indeed, he has, and few will give him credit for that, of course.kinabalu said:
And moved the Overton window.matthiasfromhamburg said:He's won the argument.
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Given the 2019 election and Brexit, it appears he has. Just not quite in the way he intended.kinabalu said:
And moved the Overton window.matthiasfromhamburg said:He's won the argument.
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If you read between the lines, thisydoethur said:
Possibly the second best quotation on electoral reform is Derby to Disraeli on Peel.Malmesbury said:
One was an un-moveable blockhead who couldn't listen to reason in his own self interest. The other is General Peel.ydoethur said:
He sat in cabinet with General Peel. I don't think he'd find Corbyn that hard to understand.Malmesbury said:
Imagine trying to explain Jeremy Corbyn to Lord Salisburyydoethur said:
Indeed yes. They have done more to ensure a ridiculously improbable Tory hegemony than any figure since Lord Salisbury.rottenborough said:
I'll get my coat.
'You will find him very reasonable on every subject until somebody mentions the words 'household suffrage,' whereat his eye lights up with insanity.'
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Peel,_Jonathan_(DNB00)
is extremely entertaining...
"Derby, when he again became premier in 1858, appointed Peel secretary of state for the war department and a member of the cabinet by way of paying a tribute of respect to the name of Sir Robert Peel, his former colleague and rival."
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They need Coronabonds. They need large scale QE so that there is a guaranteed buyer of their bonds in the same way that the BoE has contrived for our government. The ECB are putting too much emphasis on fiscal policies whilst tying the hands of countries as to the scope of these. This puts Italy in particular, and Spain to a large extent in a very difficult situation. If they try anything like Rishi's policies then the cost of their bonds may rise sharply. Here the BoE is guaranteed to rig the market to make sure that does not happen.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
It remains uncertain whether even Rishi's policies are enough. Countries that can only fire one of two barrels are in for a genuinely terrible time.0 -
"Denmark’s Weapons Against COVID-19: Early Action, High Trust—and a No-Nonsense Queen
by Kay Xander Mellish"
https://quillette.com/2020/03/29/denmarks-weapons-against-covid-19-early-action-high-trust-and-a-no-nonsense-queen/0 -
What a put down!ydoethur said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPDOYPxSSv0Burgessian said:
Mondale debated Reagan pretty effectively too.HYUFD said:
Charisma tends to wins US elections not IQ nor debate ability, Kerry, Romney and Hillary all did well in the debates and all lost as they lacked charisma in large partnunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.0 -
The extremist Pollyannas are either blaming it on being lied to by the Chinese or wisely staying silent.tlg86 said:0 -
Thats bullshit for sure.. the chinese figures that isIshmaelZ said:We now have officially more deaths than China - 3605 vs 3322.
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As I said in another comment, that time may well come. But it's not now. Not yet.DavidL said:
They need Coronabonds. They need large scale QE so that there is a guaranteed buyer of their bonds in the same way that the BoE has contrived for our government. The ECB are putting too much emphasis on fiscal policies whilst tying the hands of countries as to the scope of these. This puts Italy in particular, and Spain to a large extent in a very difficult situation. If they try anything like Rishi's policies then the cost of their bonds may rise sharply. Here the BoE is guaranteed to rig the market to make sure that does not happen.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
It remains uncertain whether even Rishi's policies are enough. Countries that can only fire one of two barrels are in for a genuinely terrible time.0 -
Honesty always the best policy. So in return - I doubt LP would have come that close. But I do think she would have been a more challenging opponent for SKS. She'd have worried him at times. Made him squirm a bit. Or perhaps - who knows - brought out the best in him. Yes, RLB has come over as a decent and capable politician, albeit not a leader. Nonsense to say - as some do - that Keir has to exclude her from his shadow cabinet in order to be taken seriously.Stocky said:I know you hold a torch for her, but I doubt that she`ll have done any better than RLB.
To my surprise, I`ve been impressed (at times) with RLB over the campaign. She was interviewed in a few podcasts that I listen to. She`s much more intelligent than I gave her credit for, and also very likeable.
Full 180 from me. Thought I should fess up.0 -
He's from Scranton, which The Office would suggest is the American Slough.HYUFD said:
He holds no elected office at present but in his early years grew up in PennsylvaniaFoxy said:
Biden represents Delaware, does he not?HYUFD said:
Trump would easily beat Harris, she has ittle charisma, represents California not Pennsylvania like Biden and already looks to be a drag on the Biden ticket if he picked her for VProttenborough said:
Lot of water yet to flow.nunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
Harris is 170.
Just saying...
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Bill Withers is no long still with us.
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Perhaps, then, RLB is to me is what Matt Hancock is to you?kinabalu said:
Honesty always the best policy. So in return - I doubt LP would have come that close. But I do think she would have been a more challenging opponent for SKS. She'd have worried him at times. Made him squirm a bit. Or perhaps - who knows - brought out the best in him. Yes, RLB has come over as a decent and capable politician, albeit not a leader. Nonsense to say - as some do - that Keir has to exclude her from his shadow cabinet in order to be taken seriously.Stocky said:I know you hold a torch for her, but I doubt that she`ll have done any better than RLB.
To my surprise, I`ve been impressed (at times) with RLB over the campaign. She was interviewed in a few podcasts that I listen to. She`s much more intelligent than I gave her credit for, and also very likeable.
Full 180 from me. Thought I should fess up.0 -
Good news for Boris, then.HYUFD said:
Yes you have to go back to Nixon in 1968 to find the last time the less charismatic candidate won a presidential election and he beat Humphrey by less than 1% in the popular voteBurgessian said:
Mondale debated Reagan pretty effectively too.HYUFD said:
Charisma tends to wins US elections not IQ nor debate ability, Kerry, Romney and Hillary all did well in the debates and all lost as they lacked charisma in large partnunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.1 -
By not allowing Spain and Italy to write the same blank cheque that Germany and France have been able to write. Obviously it's a simplistic view but it is costing real lives in both countries that they are not able to handle this medical crisis and at the same time not have the same amazing economic damage alleviation that Germany has put in place.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, personally I think the EU have been fair here, but then I'm not exactly the kind of person they need on their side, I'd like to see the whole organisation dissolved and replaced with the EEA which I'd want the UK to be a part of. I don't much believe in this idea of solidarity between the 27 (or 28) nations, even though I think we should definitely be helping the worst affected neighbours with expertise and even medical supplies if we have some spare.2 -
Although in fairness, not directed at Mondale himself.RobD said:
What a put down!ydoethur said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?vBurgessian said:
Mondale debated Reagan pretty effectively too.HYUFD said:
Charisma tends to wins US elections not IQ nor debate ability, Kerry, Romney and Hillary all did well in the debates and all lost as they lacked charisma in large partnunu2 said:
Trump is going to destroy him in the debates. Which is saying something because Trump is terrible at debates.IshmaelZ said:
https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633Stereotomy said:
Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidateRobD said:Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
Much worse than anything else we have seen
But it's too late now, the Dems have made they're pick.
Later in that debate though, when Mondale talked about a campaign ad made aboard an aircraft carrier, Reagan drily retorted that if Mondale's previous votes on the subject had taken effect, 'he would be standing in deep water, as he voted against the construction of the Nimitz.'1 -
Why would they? Doing so can be good and can be bad, depending how it is moved. His opponents dont thank Farage for shifting it.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Indeed, he has, and few will give him credit for that, of course.kinabalu said:
And moved the Overton window.matthiasfromhamburg said:He's won the argument.
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There are certainly chiffchaff overwintering in numbers down in the SW. We have Blackcap overwintering too, but research shows these go off to Germany/Poland to get a head start on those coming up from Africa, rather than breeding here.LostPassword said:
I read earlier in the week that Swallows were now overwintering in Galway. The mild winter might have been kind to smaller birds too.Richard_Tyndall said:OT and in the spirit of lightening the mood somewhat, has anyone else noticed there seem to be a very large number of Chiffchaffs around this year? I seem to be noticing them in every tree at the moment.
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As I said, the EU is not 'doing nothing'. The ESM is being deployed for now. Eurobonds are a means of last resort.MaxPB said:
By not allowing Spain and Italy to write the same blank cheque that Germany and France have been able to write. Obviously it's a simplistic view but it is costing real lives in both countries that they are not able to handle this medical crisis and at the same time not have the same amazing economic damage alleviation that Germany has put in place.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
As I said, personally I think the EU have been fair here, but then I'm not exactly the kind of person they need on their side, I'd like to see the whole organisation dissolved and replaced with the EEA which I'd want the UK to be a part of. I don't much believe in this idea of solidarity between the 27 (or 28) nations, even though I think we should definitely be helping the worst affected neighbours with expertise and even medical supplies if we have some spare.
Makes sense to favour the EEA, but without the structure of the EU there is no EEA. The EEA is actually an extension of the EU.0 -
Being part of a single currency locks them in - them can't do certain things to help their societies. This is exactly the argument as to the problem with the Euro - it is half a currency system.matthiasfromhamburg said:
As I said in another comment, that time may well come. But it's not now. Not yet.DavidL said:
They need Coronabonds. They need large scale QE so that there is a guaranteed buyer of their bonds in the same way that the BoE has contrived for our government. The ECB are putting too much emphasis on fiscal policies whilst tying the hands of countries as to the scope of these. This puts Italy in particular, and Spain to a large extent in a very difficult situation. If they try anything like Rishi's policies then the cost of their bonds may rise sharply. Here the BoE is guaranteed to rig the market to make sure that does not happen.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
It remains uncertain whether even Rishi's policies are enough. Countries that can only fire one of two barrels are in for a genuinely terrible time.
Simply telling them no at this point is madness.0 -
Oh but it is. The problem we have is that even going flat out our furlough scheme is not yet up and running. The scheme for the self employed will not come into force until June. By then tens, possibly over 100 thousand businesses will have already collapsed. Many sole traders will be bankrupt. The time to act is right now, last month would have been better.matthiasfromhamburg said:
As I said in another comment, that time may well come. But it's not now. Not yet.DavidL said:
They need Coronabonds. They need large scale QE so that there is a guaranteed buyer of their bonds in the same way that the BoE has contrived for our government. The ECB are putting too much emphasis on fiscal policies whilst tying the hands of countries as to the scope of these. This puts Italy in particular, and Spain to a large extent in a very difficult situation. If they try anything like Rishi's policies then the cost of their bonds may rise sharply. Here the BoE is guaranteed to rig the market to make sure that does not happen.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
It remains uncertain whether even Rishi's policies are enough. Countries that can only fire one of two barrels are in for a genuinely terrible time.0 -
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The EU isn't simply telling them no. It's using the ESM to provide liquidity for now.Malmesbury said:
Being part of a single currency locks them in - them can't do certain things to help their societies. This is exactly the argument as to the problem with the Euro - it is half a currency system.matthiasfromhamburg said:
As I said in another comment, that time may well come. But it's not now. Not yet.DavidL said:
They need Coronabonds. They need large scale QE so that there is a guaranteed buyer of their bonds in the same way that the BoE has contrived for our government. The ECB are putting too much emphasis on fiscal policies whilst tying the hands of countries as to the scope of these. This puts Italy in particular, and Spain to a large extent in a very difficult situation. If they try anything like Rishi's policies then the cost of their bonds may rise sharply. Here the BoE is guaranteed to rig the market to make sure that does not happen.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
It remains uncertain whether even Rishi's policies are enough. Countries that can only fire one of two barrels are in for a genuinely terrible time.
Simply telling them no at this point is madness.0 -
Derek Draper in ICU apparently.0
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And France, Germany, China (to name but a few) have "requisitioned" material passing through their countries...williamglenn said:
It's another irregular verb....0 -
Every country around the world will need mountains of magicked up liquidity, no question.DavidL said:
Oh but it is. The problem we have is that even going flat out our furlough scheme is not yet up and running. The scheme for the self employed will not come into force until June. By then tens, possibly over 100 thousand businesses will have already collapsed. Many sole traders will be bankrupt. The time to act is right now, last month would have been better.matthiasfromhamburg said:
As I said in another comment, that time may well come. But it's not now. Not yet.DavidL said:
They need Coronabonds. They need large scale QE so that there is a guaranteed buyer of their bonds in the same way that the BoE has contrived for our government. The ECB are putting too much emphasis on fiscal policies whilst tying the hands of countries as to the scope of these. This puts Italy in particular, and Spain to a large extent in a very difficult situation. If they try anything like Rishi's policies then the cost of their bonds may rise sharply. Here the BoE is guaranteed to rig the market to make sure that does not happen.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Fully agree with your second sentence. But how exactly has the EU harmed Spain and Italy recently?MaxPB said:
It is true though. I know in your eyes the sainted EU is always good and we are always evil. However, it is probably the case that the EU is both correct in its stance and not doing right by the people of Spain and Italy. It needs to ensure that all 27 nations are satisfied, asking citizens from one to pay for citizens of another isn't right without democratic consent.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Doesn't make it true, either, does it?MaxPB said:
No, but it doesn't make it not true. It's like when the Telegraph beats up on the government, it's all the more damning.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You think he approves the message?MaxPB said:
Yes, that well known populist, err, Alastair Meeks...matthiasfromhamburg said:
People in distress need scapegoats. European populists have the EU top of their list. No surprise there.malcolmg said:
absolute bolloxkle4 said:
Dark!AlastairMeeks said:
It remains uncertain whether even Rishi's policies are enough. Countries that can only fire one of two barrels are in for a genuinely terrible time.
But exactly because of the enormous scale it might be important to be a little careful.0 -
For those who thought the Chinese were being arseholes in disciplining the doctor who raised fears about CV-19:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-521452300 -
The whole article is worth reading, but the concluding paragraph of that article ( which is itself a quote from here https://www.cebm.net/2020/03/covid-19-the-tipping-point ) is worth highlighting.rottenborough said:Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375?=&utm_source=adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=usage&utm_content=daily&utm_term=text
"Lockdown is going to bankrupt all of us and our descendants and is unlikely at this point to slow or halt viral circulation as the genie is out of the bottle.
“What the current situation boils down to is this: is economic meltdown a price worth paying to halt or delay what is already amongst us?”0 -
Perhaps Ed Davey? Maybe Hilary Benn. But no-one close to your admiration of the Pidders.kinabalu said:
We can say that, yes. So, wonder who your Pidcock is? - i.e. conviction politician you like who hardly anybody else on here does.Stocky said:Perhaps, then, RLB is to me is what Matt Hancock is to you?
IDS?1 -
I`ve got some time for Stephen Kinnock too.Stocky said:
Perhaps Ed Davey? Maybe Hilary Benn. But no-one close to your admiration of the Pidders.kinabalu said:
We can say that, yes. So, wonder who your Pidcock is? - i.e. conviction politician you like who hardly anybody else on here does.Stocky said:Perhaps, then, RLB is to me is what Matt Hancock is to you?
IDS?0
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