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edited April 2020 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The positive thing for Starmer about LAB’s polling position is that at least there’s scope for imporvement

Well tomorrow at this time LAB will have its new leader and the suggested negative influence of Corbyn will be no more. The big question is whether the former DPP is able to so present a different proposition to voters that first, the seats lost at GE2019, become prospects again.

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  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    First like Starmer
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited April 2020
    ...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Third like Lisa
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Fourth like ... Emily T?
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Downside for Starmer is there isn't much scope for taking voters from the LDs or Brexit party.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited April 2020
    If I'm fifth like Burgon that's still 196 places too high.

    Edit - sixth, so 195 places too high.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    Fourth like Labour in Scotland
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    Old US Submarine Service joke -

    "The advantage to being whale shit at the bottom of the Marianas Trench, is that *everything* is up from here."
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    squareroot2 said:

    Fourth like Labour in Scotland

    And the Lord said unto Scottish Labour, 'Come forth!' But they could only manage seventh...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Spelling of ‘improvement’ could do with some!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1246050008157376512?s=20

    US figures, annualised, I infer.

    4Q looks err... bold.
    What a coincidence it completely negates Q2.
    Wrong! 100 * 0.7 * 1.3 = 91.
    Do the growth figures refer to a comparison with the previous quarter, or, as is more usual, to the same quarter the preceding year, though ?
    No, chained volume on an annulaised basis. That's how the US reports GDP.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,264
    A bad day to bury good news?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    ydoethur said:

    squareroot2 said:

    Fourth like Labour in Scotland

    And the Lord said unto Scottish Labour, 'Come forth!' But they could only manage seventh...
    Taxi for the Scottish Labour Party...
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    "Covid nineteen virus" in an anagram of "vindictive neurons".

    It`s a slow day.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    Ipsos Mori had Starmer with a favourable rating of 35%, if so that would take Labour's rating significantly above the 28% it is on today even if the Tories still lead.

    It should be noted though that while Starmer has a very positive rating with Remainers he still has a net negative rating with Leavers
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    From the last thread - if you have potentially vulnerable relatives - get them registered at

    https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable

    Then make sure that this is followed by a letter via their GP a short time later. This letter has the details on how to access the various services.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    In years to come TSE will be crediting Starmer for improving from this low base rather than Nandy for winning a majority!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    1Q: -7% -1.75%
    2Q: -30% -7.5%
    3Q: -1% -0.25%
    4Q +30% +7.5%

    2.5% drop in GDP.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,676
    684 more deaths related to Covid-19 in the UK
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,250
    edited April 2020
    TGOHF666 said:

    Downside for Starmer is there isn't much scope for taking voters from the LDs or Brexit party.

    Not sure about that ... Lib Dems are in a holding pattern, and in at least 2 or 3 minds.

    If Starmer the Charmer encourages Labour back from planet Tharg, something could happen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,676
    isam said:

    In years to come TSE will be crediting Starmer for improving from this low base rather than Nandy for winning a majority!

    What are you wittering on about stalker boy?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    Yeah, they possibly just want to rack up as many delegates as possible under his name then get him to drop out so that they can essentially pick whoever they want and tell the delegates to vote for them. It'll be interesting to see how much anger there is in the party if they go that route
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,676
    https://twitter.com/dhscgovuk/status/1246060747727294466?s=21
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    I think he could just be forgetful and absent-minded which isn't unusual for someone his age.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    I think he could just be forgetful and absent-minded which isn't unusual for someone his age.
    It's not a desirable trait in a presidential candidate.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    FPT:
    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1246050008157376512?s=20

    US figures, annualised, I infer.

    That looks astonishingly optimistic...

    Meeks makes a good point that -30 followed by +30 is not status quo ante.
    Indicates a 2.5% annual fall in GDP which is pretty awful.
    I make it a 4.3% annual fall, including the Q1 decline of 7%.

    Q4 could be almost literally anything, depending on how the virus progresses.
    Can you take me through that calculation?


    I have it as 100 * 0.9825 * 0.925 * 0.9975 * 1.075 = 0.9745
    I had 100 * 0.93^0.25 * 0.7^0.25 * 0.99^0.25 * 1.3^0.25

    But I think you're correct in terms of the way the US report annualised figures.
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    I think he could just be forgetful and absent-minded which isn't unusual for someone his age.
    It looks as though he was looking down at notes!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    That will either get everyone indoors, or outdoors.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,250
    @Cyclefree 's Gardening Corner #gardeningcorner.

    This is a followup to the previous curly-edged bush identification question.

    Speaking to a flower arranging friend, the garden seems to have been a Flower Arranger's Garden. And there is a bay tree (easy), but also a Portuguese Laurel (Prunus Lusitania) and a Cheesewood / Australian Laurel (Pittosporum Undulatum).

    (Slight doubt on the variety of pittosporum.

    Here are piccies of the 3 for the several people who took part in the debate. I am reasonably confident in the identifications of 2 and 3.

    https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246054159306153987
    https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246055691854532608
    https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1246057933294768130
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    RobD said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    That will either get everyone indoors, or outdoors.
    Banging pots and pans?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    Hopefully. Though I have to say in my little corner of North West London everything is very quiet.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    jayfdee said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    JohnO said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    GIN1138 said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    I reckon I had a case of Coronachondria yesterday. Woke up this morning with barely a sniffle in evidence. As you were.

    I've been coughing since I had a bug in December (and it's a "dry" cough too) so I'm always obsessing about whether it's just "same old same old" cough or something different is going on lol!
    Likewise - got a slight tail end of an occasional cough. The doctor said it was fine and normal.

    Seems a lot of people got something in December that ended up with a cough that fades away very, very slowly.
    Add me to that number. mid-December mine started. Had a bit of a coughing fit yesterday when walking the dog. Somebody 50 yards was looking rather perturbed.....
    Yesterday on my cycle I approached a couple walking ahead of me and thought I should alert them to my presence. So instead of shouting, or calling, I had the bright idea of a loud cough. They both turned round terrified and actually cowered away. I did a lot of apologising and trying to prove myself healthy.

    Which, despite my sojourn at Prestbury Park coming up for a month ago, for the moment I remain.
    Do bikes still have bells on them these days? Maybe that's old-fashioned.
    Mine doesn't or yes that would have been the sensible option.
    A number ion cyclists in London, pre virus, took to attaching a speaker to their bikes and playing music. This was to stop dozy pedestrians stepping into the road as they approach.

    There was one chap I used to see near Bank - upright bike, pinstripe suit, always playing Brahms......
    Over 30 years ago a London friend had a bicycle klaxon powered by an aerosol can. It made a noise midway between a fire engine and a rampaging dinosaur. It was particularly effective at zebra crossings to remind pedestrians that bikes don't operate with a three-foot stopping distance.
    As pedestrians have the right of way at zebra crossings the cyclist should be pedalling sufficiently slowly to be able to stop, just like cars. F*ck his miserable clapped-out klaxon.
    Fake Highway Code alert.

    What it actually says is: "Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing."

    It doesn't say anything about slowing down just in case someone steps out without looking.
    As a regular cyclist, with a bell, I regularly use shared routes, I get grief from pedestrians if I do use my bell, "No need to ring like that", I get grief if I do not use the bell, I get grief when I use the bell but the pedestrian is deaf.

    I get grief from the drunks under the canal bridges.
    So many people say you cannot ride a bike here, I always check, and am right.
    I have had horse riders telling me this is a Bridleway for horses, you are not allowed etc. Sometimes it is hard to be a cyclist.
    In the UK bicycles have to be sold with a bell. You are not obliged to keep it on the bike.

    This thing in the UK where people think if you ring a bike bell you are being aggressive is really annoying. A bell means nothing more than be awares there is a bike there. Often it's fine for the pedestians to keep walking in the same direction, just don't suddenly veer to the side.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Stereotomy said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    Yeah, they possibly just want to rack up as many delegates as possible under his name then get him to drop out so that they can essentially pick whoever they want and tell the delegates to vote for them. It'll be interesting to see how much anger there is in the party if they go that route
    It's a big problem for them, because that is clearly the best strategy right now, but also just as clearly the pathway most likely to result in Sanders supporters refusing to turn out and vote for the replacement. It's also makes it super easy for Trump to paint the other guy as a loser - it won't be Sanders, so it'll be someone who lost to both Sanders and Biden. If it's a non-runner, then suddenly Trump is (again) the big saviour of democracy and the little guy against the establishment stitch-up opposing him.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    edited April 2020
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    RobD said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    That will either get everyone indoors, or outdoors.
    Banging pots and pans?
    In protest this time? :D

    Hopefully she reinforces the message that staying at home is important. You don't want people like the queen to die now, do you? :p
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Endillion said:

    Stereotomy said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    Yeah, they possibly just want to rack up as many delegates as possible under his name then get him to drop out so that they can essentially pick whoever they want and tell the delegates to vote for them. It'll be interesting to see how much anger there is in the party if they go that route
    It's a big problem for them, because that is clearly the best strategy right now, but also just as clearly the pathway most likely to result in Sanders supporters refusing to turn out and vote for the replacement. It's also makes it super easy for Trump to paint the other guy as a loser - it won't be Sanders, so it'll be someone who lost to both Sanders and Biden. If it's a non-runner, then suddenly Trump is (again) the big saviour of democracy and the little guy against the establishment stitch-up opposing him.
    It's hard not to conclude that the Democrat establishment would prefer President Trump to President Sanders.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    Yet at the moment he might well win
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245933878272880642?s=20
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245827348366319616?s=20
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245769919792394240?s=20
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    RobD said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    RobD said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    That will either get everyone indoors, or outdoors.
    Banging pots and pans?
    In protest this time? :D

    Hopefully she reinforces the message that staying at home is important. You don't want people like the queen to die now, do you? :p
    So long as she doesn't add "and my husband and children", we ought to be fine.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    Yet at the moment he might well win
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245933878272880642?s=20
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245827348366319616?s=20
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245769919792394240?s=20
    The campaign hasn't started yet the polls literally mean nothing. I wish you'd stop taking them as gospel and posting the over and over again.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019
    edited April 2020
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    It's to both the country and the Commonwealth. I'd expect it to be a 'dig in, do what you're told and we can all beat this'-kind of message.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    I think Stephen Colbert summed it up well when he said that America was getting "Andrewcurious" and some even outright "Cuomosexual".
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited April 2020
    Probably the single most convincing and current political contribution from McDonnell since 2016, and it also happens to be his last.

    "John McDonnell has called for a wealth tax on the richest in society and a windfall levy on the banking industry to fund the government’s emergency response to the coronavirus crisis, as the social and economic costs of the outbreak rapidly mount.

    In his final act as shadow chancellor before Labour elects a new leader on Saturday, McDonnell said the rapidly rising cost to the public purse of the escalating global health pandemic needed to be borne by those with the broadest shoulders.

    “We pay for it by introducing an immediate windfall tax on the banks and finance sector we bailed out when they brought about the crisis a decade ago,” he said, adding that it should be combined with a wealth tax on the richest within our society, and a tax on multinationals.

    “We can demonstrate just as the current government has demonstrated, that when we need the resources, they can always be found.”

  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    I think Stephen Colbert summed it up well when he said that America was getting "Andrewcurious" and some even outright "Cuomosexual".
    Ugh
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Probably the single most convincing and current political contribution from McDonnell since 2016, and it also happens to be his last.

    "John McDonnell has called for a wealth tax on the richest in society and a windfall levy on the banking industry to fund the government’s emergency response to the coronavirus crisis, as the social and economic costs of the outbreak rapidly mount.

    In his final act as shadow chancellor before Labour elects a new leader on Saturday, McDonnell said the rapidly rising cost to the public purse of the escalating global health pandemic needed to be borne by those with the broadest shoulders.

    “We pay for it by introducing an immediate windfall tax on the banks and finance sector we bailed out when they brought about the crisis a decade ago,” he said, adding that it should be combined with a wealth tax on the richest within our society, and a tax on multinationals.

    “We can demonstrate just as the current government has demonstrated, that when we need the resources, they can always be found.”

    I just saw that story. Let me be the first to wish McDonnell a long retirement full of private joy and complete political irrelevance. :smile:
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    I think Stephen Colbert summed it up well when he said that America was getting "Andrewcurious" and some even outright "Cuomosexual".
    Then he should have run as a candidate in the primaries. If the Dems bait and switch Trump will win.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053647919788037?s=20
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053315353460737?s=20
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    I have Covid 19, so Charles will be made regent.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    Given the 'Live' banner in the bottom right, it probably wasn't.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    I think he could just be forgetful and absent-minded which isn't unusual for someone his age.
    Then he shouldn't be running for fecking POTUS, should he?!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    edited April 2020
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
    Its not as tho they don't know what he is like.... Corbyn talked bullshit and untruths but his delivery wasn't that bad
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1246062020992159744?s=20
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    edited April 2020
    MaxPB said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    I think Stephen Colbert summed it up well when he said that America was getting "Andrewcurious" and some even outright "Cuomosexual".
    Then he should have run as a candidate in the primaries. If the Dems bait and switch Trump will win.
    Is that a given, in times like these?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    MaxPB said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    I think Stephen Colbert summed it up well when he said that America was getting "Andrewcurious" and some even outright "Cuomosexual".
    Then he should have run as a candidate in the primaries. If the Dems bait and switch Trump will win.
    If Biden isn't up to it, Trump will win.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
    They have chosen the guy who stole from... Neil Kinnock's rhetoric....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited April 2020
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
    There are 330 million people in the US.

    Let's assume 60% are ineligible due to youth or nationality.

    Out of 132 million people, surely to goodness there are better candidates than Trump, Sanders and Biden?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053647919788037?s=20
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053315353460737?s=20

    What do they envisage in getting tougher though? Not all may agree on that
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    IshmaelZ said:

    Much worse than anything else we have seen

    I agree although I've seen a couple of others almost as bad. It's such a worry. But I'd hope that if Biden truly is not up to the campaign the Dems will swap him out. Whoever they pick (if compos mentis) will beat Trump IMO. And I can hardly wait. In my wilder reveries I see November 2020 as the month when Trump is defeated and by pure co-incidence also the month a vaccine is announced. Imagine that. In one fell swoop the world is rid not only of a truly horrible disease which threatens all we hold dear, but also of this wretched virus.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    eristdoof said:

    jayfdee said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    JohnO said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    GIN1138 said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    I reckon I had a case of Coronachondria yesterday. Woke up this morning with barely a sniffle in evidence. As you were.

    I've been coughing since I had a bug in December (and it's a "dry" cough too) so I'm always obsessing about whether it's just "same old same old" cough or something different is going on lol!
    Likewise - got a slight tail end of an occasional cough. The doctor said it was fine and normal.

    Seems a lot of people got something in December that ended up with a cough that fades away very, very slowly.
    Add me to that number. mid-December mine started. Had a bit of a coughing fit yesterday when walking the dog. Somebody 50 yards was looking rather perturbed.....
    Yesterday on my cycle I approached a couple walking ahead of me and thought I should alert them to my presence. So instead of shouting, or calling, I had the bright idea of a loud cough. They both turned round terrified and actually cowered away. I did a lot of apologising and trying to prove myself healthy.

    Which, despite my sojourn at Prestbury Park coming up for a month ago, for the moment I remain.
    Do bikes still have bells on them these days? Maybe that's old-fashioned.
    Mine doesn't or yes that would have been the sensible option.
    A number ion cyclists in London, pre virus, took to attaching a speaker to their bikes and playing music. This was to stop dozy pedestrians stepping into the road as they approach.

    There was one chap I used to see near Bank - upright bike, pinstripe suit, always playing Brahms......
    Over 30 years ago a London friend had a bicycle klaxon powered by an aerosol can. It made a noise midway between a fire engine and a rampaging dinosaur. It was particularly effective at zebra crossings to remind pedestrians that bikes don't operate with a three-foot stopping distance.
    As pedestrians have the right of way at zebra crossings the cyclist should be pedalling sufficiently slowly to be able to stop, just like cars. F*ck his miserable clapped-out klaxon.
    Fake Highway Code alert.

    What it actually says is: "Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing."

    It doesn't say anything about slowing down just in case someone steps out without looking.
    As a regular cyclist, with a bell, I regularly use shared routes, I get grief from pedestrians if I do use my bell, "No need to ring like that", I get grief if I do not use the bell, I get grief when I use the bell but the pedestrian is deaf.

    I get grief from the drunks under the canal bridges.
    So many people say you cannot ride a bike here, I always check, and am right.
    I have had horse riders telling me this is a Bridleway for horses, you are not allowed etc. Sometimes it is hard to be a cyclist.
    In the UK bicycles have to be sold with a bell. You are not obliged to keep it on the bike.

    This thing in the UK where people think if you ring a bike bell you are being aggressive is really annoying. A bell means nothing more than be awares there is a bike there. Often it's fine for the pedestians to keep walking in the same direction, just don't suddenly veer to the side.
    The bell = horn thing, is why some cyclists use the speaker-playing-relaxed music approach.

    Very hard to be aggressive towards someone playing a piano concerto...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    edited April 2020
    AlastairMeeks said:


    Has @isam hacked your account?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
    Not only is his brain a piece of shit but he looks 10-15 years older than he actually is.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited April 2020
    squareroot2 said:

    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
    Its not as tho they dont know what he is like.... cirbyn talked bushit and untruths but his delivery wasnt that bad
    Biden's not Corbyn. Sanders is the healthcare-obsessed option that was inaccurately compared to Corbyn, but shot himself in the foot by describing himself, rather than being , in European terms, a socialist.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    AlastairMeeks said:


    Dark!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    Yet at the moment he might well win
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245933878272880642?s=20
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245827348366319616?s=20
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245769919792394240?s=20
    The campaign hasn't started yet the polls literally mean nothing. I wish you'd stop taking them as gospel and posting the over and over again.
    Polls matter and are half the point of this site.
    No other Democrat polled as well as Biden v Trump
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1246062020992159744?s=20

    Best hope nothing much changes over the weekend I guess.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    edited April 2020
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053647919788037?s=20
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053315353460737?s=20

    What do they envisage in getting tougher though? Not all may agree on that
    Really the only way to slow the spread down further is to shutdown/reduce capacity at factories that were considered essential (food etc.). Perhaps if brought in with rationing that might work.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited April 2020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    684 more deaths related to Covid-19 in the UK

    Post from last night
    MyBurningEars said:

    Paristonda said:

    So the French figures looked good today. obviously excluding the 884 deaths which was a lump sum since the start of the outbreak (they weren't measuring the care home deaths at the time). New infections at about +2000 and deaths under 500. just a blip or a sign of the growth rate slowing in France, which would indicate the country managing to avoid being than Italy and Spain?

    I have done some negative binomial time series modelling on the UK deaths figures (ie Poisson regression with overdispersion and possibly serial dependencies) and the thing that struck me is how big the "plus or minus" is on any given day just due to random variation, let alone the uncertainty in the estimation itself.

    For example a very basic constant-growth model for the UK data suggests deaths are growing at about 25% per day but that comes with a degree of uncertainty (21% to 28% daily growth is the 95% confidence interval). But the model's predictions for the next 3 days are:

    730 deaths (95% prediction interval 400 to 1100)
    910 deaths (95% prediction interval 520 to 1400)
    1100 deaths (95% prediction interval 620 to 1800)

    So even if tomorrow the number of UK deaths falls to 450 or jumps over 1000 for the first time, it doesn't necessarily indicate a substantial departure from trend.

    The minimum kind of variation you'd expect for a count data series would be if it were Poisson distributed, so comes with a standard deviation approximating the square root of the current count (eg a figure of exactly 400 should be taken with a pinch of salt because it could quite easily by chance have gone one or two standard deviations either way, and since one standard deviation would be 20ish it's probably best read as "320ish to 480ish, but probably in the region 360 to 440").

    But every model I tried showed quite substantial overdispersion (hence a negative binomial rather than Poisson distribution) and for that constant growth model it's so bad that the standard deviation should be about one quarter of the count, for reasonably large count sizes - so you would need to read a count of 400 as likely coming with plus or minus 100 of random variation, or even plus or minus 200 if you go out to two standard deviations either way.

    Basically it isn't worth getting super excited about a day or even a couple of days of data!
    684 is pretty close to 730 (well within that prediction interval) so not a lot to get excited about for now in terms of there being any deviation from trend. Or not yet, anyway (fingers crossed...)

    I think @Foxy reckoned COVID admissions at his hospital were growing circa 20% per day still. The national admissions data might be more indicative, certainly more timely, than the deaths.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    isam said:

    In years to come TSE will be crediting Starmer for improving from this low base rather than Nandy for winning a majority!

    What are you wittering on about stalker boy?
    Haha I wouldn’t trade insults with me if I were you! Remember we’ve met!! 🤣

    Just that you often make the point that Cameron winning lots of seats from a low base is better than Boris getting a bigger majority. I thought that tied in with the thread headers topic.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Malmesbury said:

    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
    They have chosen the guy who stole from... Neil Kinnock's rhetoric....
    In fairness Kinnock wrote some brilliant speeches. His Bournemouth 1985 speech was one of the best by a British politician I have ever heard. I honestly can't think of a better one in my lifetime.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1246062020992159744?s=20

    Best hope nothing much changes over the weekend I guess.
    It's OK, OGH can't go on holiday while in lockdown.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    I think Stephen Colbert summed it up well when he said that America was getting "Andrewcurious" and some even outright "Cuomosexual".
    He's ruled it out already, and in any case right now it would be downright irresponsible for him to be spending any time whatsoever putting together the campaign team he would need in place.

    Also is there any evidence he plays well outside the North East (and possibly California)? Seems at least plausible that this is being driven by media forgetting (again) who actually matters in US general elections.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    MaxPB said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    I think Stephen Colbert summed it up well when he said that America was getting "Andrewcurious" and some even outright "Cuomosexual".
    Then he should have run as a candidate in the primaries. If the Dems bait and switch Trump will win.
    Is that a given, in times like these?
    Yes, he becomes the defender of democracy and the Bernie bros sit the election out.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    edited April 2020
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053647919788037?s=20
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053315353460737?s=20

    What do they envisage in getting tougher though? Not all may agree on that
    They want other people to be stopped doing the things other people do that they dont.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Much worse than anything else we have seen

    I agree although I've seen a couple of others almost as bad. It's such a worry. But I'd hope that if Biden truly is not up to the campaign the Dems will swap him out. Whoever they pick (if compos mentis) will beat Trump IMO. And I can hardly wait. In my wilder reveries I see November 2020 as the month when Trump is defeated and by pure co-incidence also the month a vaccine is announced. Imagine that. In one fell swoop the world is rid not only of a truly horrible disease which threatens all we hold dear, but also of this wretched virus.
    I don't think they can swap him out. Unless he resigns the nomination - at which point the Sanders supporters will demand their man...
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    kle4 said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    I have Covid 19, so Charles will be made regent.
    Peston will be pleased; he keeps telling us there's a shortage of reagents.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    kle4 said:

    AlastairMeeks said:


    Dark!
    Good to see the EU giving Italy and Spain an encouraging high five.

    And following sensible handwashing procedures.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    DavidL said:

    Malmesbury said:

    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
    They have chosen the guy who stole from... Neil Kinnock's rhetoric....
    In fairness Kinnock wrote some brilliant speeches. His Bournemouth 1985 speech was one of the best by a British politician I have ever heard. I honestly can't think of a better one in my lifetime.
    Looked at again, its just phenomenal: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kinnock+famous+speeches&ru=/search?q=kinnock+famous+speeches&form=EDGTCT&qs=PF&cvid=b48df293cb6a4b2b993884b1b3c760f2&refig=33e9fc7f186e436ba246bec469f4c927&cc=GB&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLOMVVfc4J%21E3ZvdvIOkQdwTS65MxwSTEPsrbZ8bmB3dqXeOrmcfiTt100x6RKEdgMNhHmwG9QEK30urenX15pIE%21&plvar=0&PC=DCTS&mmscn=vwrc&view=detail&mid=9BA4498E5E62E69A1B3D9BA4498E5E62E69A1B3D&rvsmid=D7119416E398B93045BBD7119416E398B93045BB&FORM=VDQVAP

    Real courage, real leadership.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Endillion said:

    kle4 said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    I have Covid 19, so Charles will be made regent.
    Peston will be pleased; he keeps telling us there's a shortage of reagents.
    I think we can end the thread here. :D
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Quincel said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    Given the 'Live' banner in the bottom right, it probably wasn't.
    Are we sure that wasn't just to reassure people about his physical state?
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Are lockdowns effective ?

    Spain and Italy suggest the timelag to improvement is looooong...

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    The Dems need to step in, Biden clearly had some form of dementia. It would just be cruel to watch him run.
    Yet at the moment he might well win
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245933878272880642?s=20
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245827348366319616?s=20
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1245769919792394240?s=20
    The campaign hasn't started yet the polls literally mean nothing. I wish you'd stop taking them as gospel and posting the over and over again.
    Polls matter and are half the point of this site.
    No other Democrat polled as well as Biden v Trump
    Polls matter for betting purposes, not for who is actually going to win. Not at this stage anyway.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,250
    edited April 2020
    Malmesbury said:

    eristdoof said:

    jayfdee said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    JohnO said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    GIN1138 said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    I reckon I had a case of Coronachondria yesterday. Woke up this morning with barely a sniffle in evidence. As you were.

    I've been coughing since I had a bug in December (and it's a "dry" cough too) so I'm always obsessing about whether it's just "same old same old" cough or something different is going on lol!
    Likewise - got a slight tail end of an occasional cough. The doctor said it was fine and normal.

    Seems a lot of people got something in December that ended up with a cough that fades away very, very slowly.
    Add me to that number. mid-December mine started. Had a bit of a coughing fit yesterday when walking the dog. Somebody 50 yards was looking rather perturbed.....
    Yesterday on my cycle I approached a couple walking ahead of me and thought I should alert them to my presence. So instead of shouting, or calling, I had the bright idea of a loud cough. They both turned round terrified and actually cowered away. I did a lot of apologising and trying to prove myself healthy.

    Which, despite my sojourn at Prestbury Park coming up for a month ago, for the moment I remain.
    Do bikes still have bells on them these days? Maybe that's old-fashioned.
    Mine doesn't or yes that would have been the sensible option.
    A number ion cyclists in London, pre virus, took to attaching a speaker to their bikes and playing music. This was to stop dozy pedestrians stepping into the road as they approach.

    There was one chap I used to see near Bank - upright bike, pinstripe suit, always playing Brahms......
    Over 30 years ago a London friend had a bicycle klaxon powered by an aerosol can. It made a noise midway between a fire engine and a rampaging dinosaur. It was particularly effective at zebra crossings to remind pedestrians that bikes don't operate with a three-foot stopping distance.
    As pedestrians have the right of way at zebra crossings the cyclist should be pedalling sufficiently slowly to be able to stop, just like cars. F*ck his miserable clapped-out klaxon.
    Fake Highway Code alert.

    What it actually says is: "Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing."

    It doesn't say anything about slowing down just in case someone steps out without looking.
    As a regular cyclist, with a bell, I regularly use shared routes, I get grief from pedestrians if I do use my bell, "No need to ring like that", I get grief if I do not use the bell, I get grief when I use the bell but the pedestrian is deaf.

    I get grief from the drunks under the canal bridges.
    So many people say you cannot ride a bike here, I always check, and am right.
    I have had horse riders telling me this is a Bridleway for horses, you are not allowed etc. Sometimes it is hard to be a cyclist.
    In the UK bicycles have to be sold with a bell. You are not obliged to keep it on the bike.

    This thing in the UK where people think if you ring a bike bell you are being aggressive is really annoying. A bell means nothing more than be awares there is a bike there. Often it's fine for the pedestians to keep walking in the same direction, just don't suddenly veer to the side.
    The bell = horn thing, is why some cyclists use the speaker-playing-relaxed music approach.

    Very hard to be aggressive towards someone playing a piano concerto...
    If you are dealing with a double decker bus or a truck, or even say a noisy car or a quiet car with double glazing, a bell is useless.

    The modern version of the air hooter mentioned up thread is the Air Zound or the Hornit. Or this ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9nonCqesLI
    https://vimeo.com/44650294
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    kle4 said:

    AlastairMeeks said:


    Dark!
    Good to see the EU giving Italy and Spain an encouraging high five.

    And following sensible handwashing procedures.
    Pontius Pilate used a basin.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    noneoftheabove said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053647919788037?s=20
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053315353460737?s=20

    What do they envisage in getting tougher though? Not all may agree on that
    They want other people to be stopped doing the things other people do that they dont.
    No, they want other people stopped from doing the thing that *they* do but have A Good Reason For Doing. Unlike those other, EVIL, people.

    It's another irregular verb...

    I have a valid excuse
    You are breaking the quarantine
    He should be arrested under a non-existent law
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Quincel said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    And that was probably Take Five..
    Given the 'Live' banner in the bottom right, it probably wasn't.
    Are we sure that wasn't just to reassure people about his physical state?
    :lol:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate

    https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375?=&utm_source=adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=usage&utm_content=daily&utm_term=text
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,430
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053647919788037?s=20
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053315353460737?s=20

    What do they envisage in getting tougher though? Not all may agree on that
    In my experience, many people want the restrictions to be tougher for everyone else but not for themselves! Either that or they are confident that they'll be able to circumvent anything too personally inconvenient.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,152
    DavidL said:

    Malmesbury said:

    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stereotomy said:

    RobD said:

    Good lord that Biden clip at the end of the last thread.

    Good thing the democrats picked the "electable" candidate
    https://twitter.com/denijeg/status/1245075433353285633

    Much worse than anything else we have seen
    Truly awful. What have the Dems done?
    They have chosen the guy who stole from... Neil Kinnock's rhetoric....
    In fairness Kinnock wrote some brilliant speeches. His Bournemouth 1985 speech was one of the best by a British politician I have ever heard. I honestly can't think of a better one in my lifetime.
    I agree. Kinnock was outstanding with a set-piece speech, albeit much poorer and prone to waffle off the cuff (Westland affair was perhaps the worst example where he badly lost his way at a key moment).
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    TGOHF666 said:

    Are lockdowns effective ?

    Spain and Italy suggest the timelag to improvement is looooong...

    Does that time lag make 'no improvements' the better option?
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Her Majesty to address the nation this weekend. Watershed moment?

    Depends what time she does the address. Before 9 pm - watershed moment. After 9 pm - lagershed moment.

    :smiley:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    rottenborough said:

    Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate

    https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375?=&utm_source=adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=usage&utm_content=daily&utm_term=text

    That was a rollercoaster of a sentence. :p
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    MattW said:

    Malmesbury said:

    eristdoof said:

    jayfdee said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    JohnO said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Malmesbury said:

    GIN1138 said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    I reckon I had a case of Coronachondria yesterday. Woke up this morning with barely a sniffle in evidence. As you were.

    I've been coughing since I had a bug in December (and it's a "dry" cough too) so I'm always obsessing about whether it's just "same old same old" cough or something different is going on lol!
    Likewise - got a slight tail end of an occasional cough. The doctor said it was fine and normal.

    Seems a lot of people got something in December that ended up with a cough that fades away very, very slowly.
    Add me to that number. mid-December mine started. Had a bit of a coughing fit yesterday when walking the dog. Somebody 50 yards was looking rather perturbed.....
    Yesterday on my cycle I approached a couple walking ahead of me and thought I should alert them to my presence. So instead of shouting, or calling, I had the bright idea of a loud cough. They both turned round terrified and actually cowered away. I did a lot of apologising and trying to prove myself healthy.

    Which, despite my sojourn at Prestbury Park coming up for a month ago, for the moment I remain.
    Do bikes still have bells on them these days? Maybe that's old-fashioned.
    Mine doesn't or yes that would have been the sensible option.
    A number ion cyclists in London, pre virus, took to attaching a speaker to their bikes and playing music. This was to stop dozy pedestrians stepping into the road as they approach.

    There was one chap I used to see near Bank - upright bike, pinstripe suit, always playing Brahms......
    Over 30 years ago a London friend had a bicycle klaxon powered by an aerosol can. It made a noise midway between a fire engine and a rampaging dinosaur. It was particularly effective at zebra crossings to remind pedestrians that bikes don't operate with a three-foot stopping distance.
    As pedestrians have the right of way at zebra crossings the cyclist should be pedalling sufficiently slowly to be able to stop, just like cars. F*ck his miserable clapped-out klaxon.
    Fake Highway Code alert.

    What it actually says is: "Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing."

    It doesn't say anything about slowing down just in case someone steps out without looking.
    As a regular cyclist, with a bell, I regularly use shared routes, I get grief from pedestrians if I do use my bell, "No need to ring like that", I get grief if I do not use the bell, I get grief when I use the bell but the pedestrian is deaf.

    I get grief from the drunks under the canal bridges.
    So many people say you cannot ride a bike here, I always check, and am right.
    I have had horse riders telling me this is a Bridleway for horses, you are not allowed etc. Sometimes it is hard to be a cyclist.
    In the UK bicycles have to be sold with a bell. You are not obliged to keep it on the bike.

    This thing in the UK where people think if you ring a bike bell you are being aggressive is really annoying. A bell means nothing more than be awares there is a bike there. Often it's fine for the pedestians to keep walking in the same direction, just don't suddenly veer to the side.
    The bell = horn thing, is why some cyclists use the speaker-playing-relaxed music approach.

    Very hard to be aggressive towards someone playing a piano concerto...
    If you are dealing with a double decker bus or a truck, or even say a noisy car or a quiet car with double glazing, a bell is useless.

    The modern version of the air hooter mentioned up thread is the Air Zound or the Hornit. Or this ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9nonCqesLI
    Not loud enough. I think something using shaped nuclear explosions is required.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1246067159979057155

    Bye, it's been a blast.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,003
    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1246072125854638083
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