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Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin0 -
Lets just hope he doesn't tweet Corona-virus is over in 3 weeks.MarqueeMark said:
Peston is a very useful contra-indicator.DavidL said:0 -
Question on schools - no answer.0
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Since World War Two the deficit has had an economic cycle of expanding in bad times (and a bit afterwards typically) then coming back down before expanding again at the next recession.AlastairMeeks said:
Because the government has been running a surplus since time immemorial? Give your head a wobble.Philip_Thompson said:
I think Brown was profligate because he blew the budget wide open before the recession.kinabalu said:
I didn't.ydoethur said:£330 billion? Fuck me.
And we thought Brown was profligate...
But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.
Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
Nobody has ever (to my mind) criticised him for a deficit occuring during the recession. Its universally accepted that you spend what you need to during downtimes.
Its the spending too much in the good times that Brown rightly gets criticised for.
Public finances were parlous before the government embarked on a spending spree. That's going to make the current measures still more painful in the longterm. The cost of this will outlive all of us.
The exception was from 2002 onwards when the surplus was eliminated and deficit grew annually despite the economy growing healthily.0 -
Didn't Laura K ask about that first up?Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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Why is "Boris" callig him "Richie"? That sounds odd.Stocky said:
Sunak is a highly intelligent man. I wish all politicians were similarly so.Fenster said:Sunak is a very impressive speaker, Speaks fast and cogently and doesn't miss a beat.
If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.0 -
Getting a bit frustrated with the chaos, delays and shortages at Waitrose, so I just wandered down the local co-op. There were a few shoppers with half filled baskets but the place was pretty empty. All shelves were full, they even had nine packs of soft toilet rolls, so I am now well stocked up. If only the Waitrose website was working I could delete the toilet paper I have ordered for delivery from them.
If you are short of anything, find a co-op!
New Supermarket coronavirus LIMITS:
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and 4 pack toilet rolls
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack toilet rolls
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g Foie Gras
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit
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I missed it if so, what was the answer? She asked about the loans etc being set up next week, what happens for people having issues this week.tlg86 said:
Didn't Laura K ask about that first up?Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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It’s his duty to tweet, right now, that it will last for ten years, that vaccines will be unobtainable and that the world will cease to exist as a result.FrancisUrquhart said:
Lets just hope he doesn't tweet Corona-virus is over in 3 weeks.MarqueeMark said:
Peston is a very useful contra-indicator.DavidL said:3 -
Yes. I do hope we are missing something otherwise it's unconscionable.Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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English cricket fan principles ?ydoethur said:
It’s his duty to tweet, right now, that it will last for ten years, that vaccines will be unobtainable and that the world will cease to exist as a result.FrancisUrquhart said:
Lets just hope he doesn't tweet Corona-virus is over in 3 weeks.MarqueeMark said:
Peston is a very useful contra-indicator.DavidL said:1 -
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
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Absolutely!Nigelb said:
English cricket fan principles ?ydoethur said:
It’s his duty to tweet, right now, that it will last for ten years, that vaccines will be unobtainable and that the world will cease to exist as a result.FrancisUrquhart said:
Lets just hope he doesn't tweet Corona-virus is over in 3 weeks.MarqueeMark said:
Peston is a very useful contra-indicator.DavidL said:
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Richie Rich ?matthiasfromhamburg said:
Why is "Boris" callig him "Richie"? That sounds odd.Stocky said:
Sunak is a highly intelligent man. I wish all politicians were similarly so.Fenster said:Sunak is a very impressive speaker, Speaks fast and cogently and doesn't miss a beat.
If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.0 -
Great also to hear a Tory Chancellor talking about working with the Unions to find the best way of protecting jobs. No side. Just working together. Very grown up.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, the self-employed and the gig economy will also need more measures, but it's a start.Pagan2 said:Not really sure that helps the average paye employee in the least many business will like take the interest free loan and use it to keep the business going while reducing their work force to the minimum. Can't for example see many bar's keeping on barstaff during the interim. Loans should have been tied into safe guarding the workforce too.
I'm hopeful that the mention of "employment support" might deal with this, and change the economic model for good - but let's see.0 -
Presumably, the government has come to an agreement with mortgage lenders to defer mortgage payments, whereas it obviously cannot do similarly with landlords?kinabalu said:
Yes. I do hope we are missing something otherwise it's unconscionable.Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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I had not heard that but some do think now is the best time to get a deal.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
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You lot need to get on an email campaign to Dominic Cummings, then. He probably still thinks you do.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin0 -
Sting in the tail on mortgage holidays? Doesn’t hit all landlords though.kinabalu said:
Yes. I do hope we are missing something otherwise it's unconscionable.Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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Wasn't he a scholarship kid?Nigelb said:
Richie Rich ?matthiasfromhamburg said:
Why is "Boris" callig him "Richie"? That sounds odd.Stocky said:
Sunak is a highly intelligent man. I wish all politicians were similarly so.Fenster said:Sunak is a very impressive speaker, Speaks fast and cogently and doesn't miss a beat.
If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.0 -
Point of order. As you lot took so much glee in telling us, a 'No Deal Brexit' was Dover becoming a car park, planes grounded etc. etc. - literally 'No Deal'. What 'may happen' now can justifiably be called 'Hard Brexit' or 'WTO Brexit', but not 'No Deal Brexit'. You'd get further if you didn't dispense with the truth at the drop of a hat trying gussy up your argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
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It's not at all clear how much our leaders appreciate that a large percentage of the population lives from paycheque to paycheque.kinabalu said:
Yes. I do hope we are missing something otherwise it's unconscionable.Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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This is to our advantage deal-wise I think.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin0 -
Center parcs are closing from Friday - they will continue to pay their staff0
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I think anybody who seeks to make points about Gordon brown 12 years ago in different circumstances should save their breath and concentrate on the here and now, similarly with brexit. All being well we will actually be in a position to return to normal discourse one day but let’s worry about today tomorrow and the impact on different parts of the world.1
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That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin0 -
I found that re the Coop too and other local shopsIanB2 said:Getting a bit frustrated with the chaos, delays and shortages at Waitrose, so I just wandered down the local co-op. There were a few shoppers with half filled baskets but the place was pretty empty. All shelves were full, they even had nine packs of soft toilet rolls, so I am now well stocked up. If only the Waitrose website was working I could delete the toilet paper I have ordered for delivery from them.
If you are short of anything, find a co-op!
New Supermarket coronavirus LIMITS:
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and 4 pack toilet rolls
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack toilet rolls
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g Foie Gras
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit0 -
No she didn't. She asked what about companies who have to pay their workers now or people who have outgoings now but not specifically about renting.tlg86 said:
Didn't Laura K ask about that first up?Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
She also asked another of those utterly stupid and ill informed questions about whether the Chief Scientific Advisor regretted earlier decisions based on the scientific advise 'having changed' - which of course it hasn't1 -
Italy
345 deaths for a total of 2503
192 healed for a total of 2941
Currently infected 26062 (net increase of 2989....so 3526 new cases)
including 2060 (+209 net increase) in ICU0 -
Malc - underneath the bluster I think you're ok -but understand please the impact of compulsion. It's like the joy of retirement is all about the freedom of choice it brings rather than what you do or don't do. I stay in a lot through choice. Knowing if I go out now I can be stopped and sent home again is bloody hard.malcolmg said:
Something far wrong with you if you cannot amuse yourself for 3 days.felix said:
I live in a beautiful and very quiet part of Spain. After just 3 days I'm aching for the lockdown to end and am generally law-abiding and compliant. Believe me I am used to things being very quiet and staying in - but this is awful.YBarddCwsc said:
I predict the very people agitating for `Lockdown Now' will -- after 6 weeks in a house with their cooped-up children -- be the ones agitating for `End to House Arrest'.spire2 said:The lockdown will not last as long as many anticipate. Once new cases start dropping theres going to be huge pressure on the government from business to relax restrictions.Also so many people are psychologically unable to survive lack of social contact and will start demanding reopening of bars, restaurants etc.
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My dad's just raised an interesting point. Does this relief cover charities as well as businesses (apologies if Sunak said so earlier)?0
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Maybe but I suspect a lot of paye types and gig workers are going to be looking at that and thinking not much help for us there. Especially those renting. I will believe they are going to protect us when they actually spell it out. I hope to be proved wrong. Not that this will affect me particularly but it is already affecting friendsWhisperingOracle said:
Yes, the self-employed and the gig economy will also need more measures, but it's a start.Pagan2 said:Not really sure that helps the average paye employee in the least many business will like take the interest free loan and use it to keep the business going while reducing their work force to the minimum. Can't for example see many bar's keeping on barstaff during the interim. Loans should have been tied into safe guarding the workforce too.
I'm hopeful that the mention of "employment support" might deal with this, and change the economic model for good - but let's see.0 -
I'm fascinated that the Trump administration has already moved to the language of mailing out cheques to individual Americans. This is a good start from the government today, but there definitely needs to more on what's individually focused beyond just businesses.Nigelb said:
It's not at all clear how much our leaders appreciate that a large percentage of the population lives from paycheque to paycheque.kinabalu said:
Yes. I do hope we are missing something otherwise it's unconscionable.Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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Of course its all about Brexit as if we didn't know.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
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I keep hoping each day will be the day when we see this peak out after the lockdown but it isn't there yetAndreaParma_82 said:Italy
345 deaths for a total of 2503
192 healed for a total of 2941
Currently infected 26062 (net increase of 2989....so 3526 new cases)
including 2060 (+209) in ICU
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I was guilty of slamming Brown 12 years ago. Not because I'm particularly tribal but because I didn't like the dirty way Brown screwed over Blair. Looking back I let my dislike of him skew my judgement of his actions and that's pretty pathetic. I've grown up a tiny bit now.nichomar said:I think anybody who seeks to make points about Gordon brown 12 years ago in different circumstances should save their breath and concentrate on the here and now, similarly with brexit. All being well we will actually be in a position to return to normal discourse one day but let’s worry about today tomorrow and the impact on different parts of the world.
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Sounds as though the individual stuff is coming tomorrow? They mentioned discussions with others including the unions.WhisperingOracle said:
I'm fascinated that the Trump administration has already moved to the language of mailing out cheques to individuals. This is a good start from the government today, but there definitely needs to more on what's individually focused beyond just businesses.Nigelb said:
It's not at all clear how much our leaders appreciate that a large percentage of the population lives from paycheque to paycheque.kinabalu said:
Yes. I do hope we are missing something otherwise it's unconscionable.Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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I bet FlyBe are pissed off right now.1
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The key thing is that this is only the start. No previously viable business should go under because of cashflow issues, and individual incomes must still allow them to meet their household costs. These are the bottom lines. And the transition has to be extended.2
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Hope so.RobD said:
Sounds as though the individual stuff is coming tomorrow? They mentioned discussions with others including the unions.WhisperingOracle said:
I'm fascinated that the Trump administration has already moved to the language of mailing out cheques to individuals. This is a good start from the government today, but there definitely needs to more on what's individually focused beyond just businesses.Nigelb said:
It's not at all clear how much our leaders appreciate that a large percentage of the population lives from paycheque to paycheque.kinabalu said:
Yes. I do hope we are missing something otherwise it's unconscionable.Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
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Alright, not “none” bit almost none. The point still stands though - at the start of the first year of a new Gvt, with the biggest emergency of recent years, why does anyone in Number 10 think it matters?AlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
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Give it a restAlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin1 -
Deficit is about the same then as now. Debt much lower. NHS in better health.Philip_Thompson said:Labour's mess was blowing the budget wide open before the crisis.
We enter this crisis in much worse shape. Such is undeniable.
If that was Labour's Mess, this is a bigger Tory one.
Works both ways. Sorry.1 -
Stable, but grim, in Italy. Hope the situation gets better for them soon.JM1 said:
Thanks Andrea. Number of new cases is not rising, which is good news. Fingers crossed the lockdown (which started 7-8 days ago) should show a decline in new cases in the next few days.AndreaParma_82 said:Italy
345 deaths for a total of 2503
192 healed for a total of 2941
Currently infected 26062 (net increase of 2989....so 3526 new cases)
including 2060 (+209) in ICU0 -
Indeed fallout from Global Financial Crisis Labours fault.kinabalu said:
Like Osborne and Cameron did when branding the impact on public finances of the emergency measures to combat the Global Financial Crash as "Labour's Mess"?Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
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There’s a clear answer to that; John Maynard Keynes applies.Richard_Tyndall said:
No she didn't. She asked what about companies who have to pay their workers now or people who have outgoings now but not specifically about renting.tlg86 said:
Didn't Laura K ask about that first up?Philip_Thompson said:Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
She also asked another of those utterly stupid and ill informed questions about whether the Chief Scientific Advisor regretted earlier decisions based on the scientific advise 'having changed' - which of course it hasn't0 -
Father in law is a billionaire.Gabs3 said:
Wasn't he a scholarship kid?Nigelb said:
Richie Rich ?matthiasfromhamburg said:
Why is "Boris" callig him "Richie"? That sounds odd.Stocky said:
Sunak is a highly intelligent man. I wish all politicians were similarly so.Fenster said:Sunak is a very impressive speaker, Speaks fast and cogently and doesn't miss a beat.
If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.
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On today of all days you continue your rant on brexit when no one is listeningAlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
Far bigger things worry the country now1 -
Bit early to be scoring party political point, isn't it?bigjohnowls said:
Indeed fallout from Global Financial Crisis Labours fault.kinabalu said:
Like Osborne and Cameron did when branding the impact on public finances of the emergency measures to combat the Global Financial Crash as "Labour's Mess"?Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
Global virus financial fallout everyone else except the Tories fault
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Edit - Most (originally all) charities are incorporated as businesses too. A lot of trustees don’t know it, but they are company directors.tlg86 said:My dad's just raised an interesting point. Does this relief cover charities as well as businesses (apologies if Sunak said so earlier)?
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You put it much more clearly than I did. Probably because of the trauma of being 'under orders'Richard_Tyndall said:
To be fair I think it is a well recognised psychological phenomena. Tell someone they can stay inside for 5 days and they will have no problem with it. Tell them they must stay inside for 5 days and before the first day is out they are going up the wall.malcolmg said:
Something far wrong with you if you cannot amuse yourself for 3 days.felix said:
I live in a beautiful and very quiet part of Spain. After just 3 days I'm aching for the lockdown to end and am generally law-abiding and compliant. Believe me I am used to things being very quiet and staying in - but this is awful.YBarddCwsc said:
I predict the very people agitating for `Lockdown Now' will -- after 6 weeks in a house with their cooped-up children -- be the ones agitating for `End to House Arrest'.spire2 said:The lockdown will not last as long as many anticipate. Once new cases start dropping theres going to be huge pressure on the government from business to relax restrictions.Also so many people are psychologically unable to survive lack of social contact and will start demanding reopening of bars, restaurants etc.
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Don`t you agree that the EU falling as a result is a good thing for the UK? I was a reluctant remainer - believing we should stay in but hoping that the whole thing crumbled eventually.AlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin0 -
A friend of mine went into Sainsburys mid morning just as the last of the shoppers were leaving with their trollies full of loo roll from the morning delivery.bigjohnowls said:
I found that re the Coop too and other local shopsIanB2 said:Getting a bit frustrated with the chaos, delays and shortages at Waitrose, so I just wandered down the local co-op. There were a few shoppers with half filled baskets but the place was pretty empty. All shelves were full, they even had nine packs of soft toilet rolls, so I am now well stocked up. If only the Waitrose website was working I could delete the toilet paper I have ordered for delivery from them.
If you are short of anything, find a co-op!
New Supermarket coronavirus LIMITS:
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and 4 pack toilet rolls
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack toilet rolls
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g Foie Gras
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit
Anyway, he was chatting with one of the checkout lads who said they have warehouses full of stuff. They are short of nothing except hand sanitiser. But no matter how often they tell the shoppers this, every morning when the lorry turns up with the days resupply it is stripped bare by hoarders. Ridiculous.0 -
Given that neither the Department of Health, nor their EU counterparts are (to my knowledge) negotiating Brexit, can anyone actually give a good reason for extending the transition period, other than the fact that they really really really don't want Brexit, and this has given them a glimmer of hope that its accomplishment might be staved off again? I mean really.0
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And yet the government remains hell bent on its self-imposed deadline as of today, threatening the country with yet more disruption. Perhaps you could admit (through gritted teeth if you must) that the lunatics that you support have got wickedly wrong priorities just now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
On today of all days you continue your rant on brexit when no one is listeningAlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
Far bigger things worry the country now2 -
Free school meals:
Boris: "we'd certainly anticipated that"
Yes, you just know for certain Boris had thought of that - LOL!0 -
I read that a lot of civil servants who were working on no deal planning have been moved to coronavirus response duties. The focus of a large fraction of the government is now on the response to this, not negotiating with the EU.Luckyguy1983 said:Given that neither the Department of Health, nor their EU counterparts are (to my knowledge) negotiating Brexit, can anyone actually give a good reason for extending the transition period, other than the fact that they don't want Brexit, and this has given them a glimmer of hope that its accomplishment might be staved off again? I mean really.
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Crazy. I mean hand sanitizer consumption has risen, but no-one’s using more loo roll. Must just be building up in people’s homes.Richard_Tyndall said:
A friend of mine went into Sainsburys mid morning just as the last of the shoppers were leaving with their trollies full of loo roll from the morning delivery.bigjohnowls said:
I found that re the Coop too and other local shopsIanB2 said:Getting a bit frustrated with the chaos, delays and shortages at Waitrose, so I just wandered down the local co-op. There were a few shoppers with half filled baskets but the place was pretty empty. All shelves were full, they even had nine packs of soft toilet rolls, so I am now well stocked up. If only the Waitrose website was working I could delete the toilet paper I have ordered for delivery from them.
If you are short of anything, find a co-op!
New Supermarket coronavirus LIMITS:
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and 4 pack toilet rolls
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack toilet rolls
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g Foie Gras
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit
Anyway, he was chatting with one of the checkout lads who said they have warehouses full of stuff. They are short of nothing except hand sanitiser. But no matter how often they tell the shoppers this, every morning when the lorry turns up with the days resupply it is stripped bare by hoarders. Ridiculous.0 -
A veritable Churchill...MikeL said:Free school meals:
Boris: "we'd certainly anticipated that"
Yes, you just know for certain Boris had thought of that - LOL!
"Of course people care about pubs, they are right to care about pubs, that is why we are announcing the extraordinary package."0 -
I'm not a fan of the EU (mainly because it's elitist and undemocratic) but I wouldn't want it to fail because Russia is a far far far bigger threat to liberte and egalite!Stocky said:
Don`t you agree that the EU falling as a result is a good thing for the UK? I was a reluctant remainer - believing we should stay in but hoping that the whole thing crumbled eventually.AlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin0 -
Can I just say, Robert Peston, you massive bell-end.
1000s of people are dying, there is a killer disease spreading the world, the world economy is on the brink and the public need a clear concise set of messages.
And this total f##king tw@t stands up and wastes oxygen with a stupid jibey question about Stanley Johnson going down the pub.
When will they learn, this isn't a drill, this isn't a game, this is war.1 -
This thread has
done a passable impression of Robert Peston
Edit - sorry, fake news. It’s a phantom thread!
Edit of an edit - that makes it an even BETTER impression of Peston, of course...3 -
Sky business just said that the support package is similar to France0
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What is the benefit of announcing it today?AlastairMeeks said:
And yet the government remains hell bent on its self-imposed deadline as of today, threatening the country with yet more disruption. Perhaps you could admit (through gritted teeth if you must) that the lunatics that you support have got wickedly wrong priorities just now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
On today of all days you continue your rant on brexit when no one is listeningAlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
Far bigger things worry the country now
All I can see is it would get Farage and the extreme wing of Brexiteers foaming at the mouth for no benefit.
Far better that you keep them focused on the stuff that matters.
The reality is it will get punted, but at a late point in time when things calm down0 -
I don't see why it wouldn't, albeit that charities already benefit from (normally) 80% off their rates, so it's less of a cash flow cost to begin with.tlg86 said:My dad's just raised an interesting point. Does this relief cover charities as well as businesses (apologies if Sunak said so earlier)?
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It certainly isn't!TOPPING said:The sun is not shining now.
In 2007-08 budget deficit was 3% of GDP. We had a well funded, well functioning NHS, falling child poverty, little street homelessness etc.
— Jonathan Portes (@jdportes) March 17, 2020
Now deficit is 2%. UK economy and society is *far* less prepared for this crisis.
Osborne/Cameron tore down the roof before the storm1 -
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There is a lot of profiteering going on. A local councillor tweeted a couple of days ago that one shop in Sutton in Ashfield was known to be buying up huge amounts from the local supermarket and then selling it at a vastly inflated price. And people were buying it. He warned the shop to stop or he would be named and shamed. Not seen anything since so don't know what the outcome was.AlanS said:
Crazy. I mean hand sanitizer consumption has risen, but no-one’s using more loo roll. Must just be building up in people’s homes.Richard_Tyndall said:
A friend of mine went into Sainsburys mid morning just as the last of the shoppers were leaving with their trollies full of loo roll from the morning delivery.bigjohnowls said:
I found that re the Coop too and other local shopsIanB2 said:Getting a bit frustrated with the chaos, delays and shortages at Waitrose, so I just wandered down the local co-op. There were a few shoppers with half filled baskets but the place was pretty empty. All shelves were full, they even had nine packs of soft toilet rolls, so I am now well stocked up. If only the Waitrose website was working I could delete the toilet paper I have ordered for delivery from them.
If you are short of anything, find a co-op!
New Supermarket coronavirus LIMITS:
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and 4 pack toilet rolls
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack toilet rolls
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g Foie Gras
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit
Anyway, he was chatting with one of the checkout lads who said they have warehouses full of stuff. They are short of nothing except hand sanitiser. But no matter how often they tell the shoppers this, every morning when the lorry turns up with the days resupply it is stripped bare by hoarders. Ridiculous.0 -
What planet do these people live on?AlastairMeeks said:1 -
For some reason, a thread header popped up from December 2018 popped up, and somebody (naming no names) commented on it.
Apparently, Theresa May is safe, for now.4 -
I will not bow to your obsessionAlastairMeeks said:
And yet the government remains hell bent on its self-imposed deadline as of today, threatening the country with yet more disruption. Perhaps you could admit (through gritted teeth if you must) that the lunatics that you support have got wickedly wrong priorities just now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
On today of all days you continue your rant on brexit when no one is listeningAlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
Far bigger things worry the country now1 -
Brown did exactly the right thing in 2008 and undoubtedly played a central role in saving the global economy. If people want to quibble around that, so be it. It happened. It was good. And we are able to face today's crisis with some hope of getting through it as a result. The government today has also shown that it understands the scale of the challenge. We need to see more detail, obviously, but the direction of travel is the right one. That is to be welcomed unequivocally. The transition will clearly have to be extended. But that does not have to happen today. There is a little bit of time to find the right form of words. What we have to hope is that post-crisis, all those who have lived through the politics and economics of it will be a little more grown-up than they were previously. That way we will get to a place and a final Brexit deal that works for everyone. One thing we are not going to have to worry about for a long while, after all, is immigration.2
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Relief for rent is slightly more awkward - a mortgage gets extended 3 months and most people wouldn't notice - 3 months of no rent is far harder to handle, especially as I don't see why landlords should be paid off..kinabalu said:
Yes. Relief for mortgages but not rent would be Class War.MaxPB said:We need action for people who rent. Landlords are about to get mortgage relief and their tenants won't get anything.
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I would be surprised if our negotiating team had departed off to fend off the virus?RobD said:
I read that a lot of civil servants who were working on no deal planning have been moved to coronavirus response duties. The focus of a large fraction of the government is now on the response to this, not negotiating with the EU.Luckyguy1983 said:Given that neither the Department of Health, nor their EU counterparts are (to my knowledge) negotiating Brexit, can anyone actually give a good reason for extending the transition period, other than the fact that they don't want Brexit, and this has given them a glimmer of hope that its accomplishment might be staved off again? I mean really.
We've told them clearly what we want. They've told us clearly what they want. Let's get that bloody deal.0 -
It's the government's obsession. Their deadline. Their threatened chaos. And you cheerlead for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will not bow to your obsessionAlastairMeeks said:
And yet the government remains hell bent on its self-imposed deadline as of today, threatening the country with yet more disruption. Perhaps you could admit (through gritted teeth if you must) that the lunatics that you support have got wickedly wrong priorities just now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
On today of all days you continue your rant on brexit when no one is listeningAlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
Far bigger things worry the country now0 -
Brexit has happened. It is bizarre that there are still people who fail to understand this.Luckyguy1983 said:Given that neither the Department of Health, nor their EU counterparts are (to my knowledge) negotiating Brexit, can anyone actually give a good reason for extending the transition period, other than the fact that they really really really don't want Brexit, and this has given them a glimmer of hope that its accomplishment might be staved off again? I mean really.
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It is what you'd expect, of course, given the usage rate of hand sanitiser has rocketed but for toilet rolls it is just the purchase rate. I've not stockpiled toilet paper and am becoming conscious that I will need to buy some in three weeks or so. There was a story earlier in the week that LVMH will turn over its perfume factories to make sanitiser for France. You'd hope the government could find a British distiller or perfumer to do the same here.Richard_Tyndall said:
A friend of mine went into Sainsburys mid morning just as the last of the shoppers were leaving with their trollies full of loo roll from the morning delivery.bigjohnowls said:
I found that re the Coop too and other local shopsIanB2 said:Getting a bit frustrated with the chaos, delays and shortages at Waitrose, so I just wandered down the local co-op. There were a few shoppers with half filled baskets but the place was pretty empty. All shelves were full, they even had nine packs of soft toilet rolls, so I am now well stocked up. If only the Waitrose website was working I could delete the toilet paper I have ordered for delivery from them.
If you are short of anything, find a co-op!
New Supermarket coronavirus LIMITS:
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and 4 pack toilet rolls
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack toilet rolls
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g Foie Gras
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit
Anyway, he was chatting with one of the checkout lads who said they have warehouses full of stuff. They are short of nothing except hand sanitiser. But no matter how often they tell the shoppers this, every morning when the lorry turns up with the days resupply it is stripped bare by hoarders. Ridiculous.0 -
It's more than the couple of people on the negotiating team. There's a whole army of civil servants who were working on various issues relating to Brexit. They are now not working on that, and instead are working on the coronavirus response.Luckyguy1983 said:
I would be surprised if our negotiating team had departed off to fend off the virus?RobD said:
I read that a lot of civil servants who were working on no deal planning have been moved to coronavirus response duties. The focus of a large fraction of the government is now on the response to this, not negotiating with the EU.Luckyguy1983 said:Given that neither the Department of Health, nor their EU counterparts are (to my knowledge) negotiating Brexit, can anyone actually give a good reason for extending the transition period, other than the fact that they don't want Brexit, and this has given them a glimmer of hope that its accomplishment might be staved off again? I mean really.
We've told them clearly what we want. They've told us clearly what they want. Let's get that bloody deal.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-coronavirus-eu-trade-deal-talks-dominic-raab-a9407231.html
In London, civil servants who had been working on no deal preparations are being redeployed into trying to cope with the escalating crisis.0 -
If I'd registered as a business and paid less tax I might get some help, but as I stayed self employed and paid more it looks like I'll get nothing.0
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I quite agree.SouthamObserver said:
Brexit has happened. It is bizarre that there are still people who fail to understand this.Luckyguy1983 said:Given that neither the Department of Health, nor their EU counterparts are (to my knowledge) negotiating Brexit, can anyone actually give a good reason for extending the transition period, other than the fact that they really really really don't want Brexit, and this has given them a glimmer of hope that its accomplishment might be staved off again? I mean really.
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Because this involves a very aspect of Government on both sides of the Channel, not just the Departments of Health. Off the top of my head I have seen announcements and briefings from Education, Health, Foreign Office, Trade and Industry, Transport, Defence, Local Authorities, Business, Housing and Communities, Agriculture and loads more.Luckyguy1983 said:Given that neither the Department of Health, nor their EU counterparts are (to my knowledge) negotiating Brexit, can anyone actually give a good reason for extending the transition period, other than the fact that they really really really don't want Brexit, and this has given them a glimmer of hope that its accomplishment might be staved off again? I mean really.
We have left the EU. We are not going back. If we have to postpone the transition period for a year then that is a bit more money we have to pay but in the grand scheme of things it is nothing.
Deal with this first and then afterwards we can get on with finishing the negotiations when everyone has a bit more time and might hopefully be a bit more friendly to each other.0 -
Cameron and Osborne committed to matching Labour spending pre financial crisis.Philip_Thompson said:
Labour's mess was blowing the budget wide open before the crisis.kinabalu said:
Like Osborne and Cameron did when branding the impact on public finances of the emergency measures to combat the Global Financial Crash as "Labour's Mess"?Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
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The package for the individual is coming. At least that's the impression I got.DAlexander said:If I'd registered as a business and paid less tax I might get some help, but as I stayed self employed and paid more it looks like I'll get nothing.
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Stable, but grim, in Italy. Hope the situation gets better for them soon.WhisperingOracle said:JM1 said:
Thanks Andrea. Number of new cases is not rising, which is good news. Fingers crossed the lockdown (which started 7-8 days ago) should show a decline in new cases in the next few days.AndreaParma_82 said:Italy
345 deaths for a total of 2503
192 healed for a total of 2941
Currently infected 26062 (net increase of 2989....so 3526 new cases)
including 2060 (+209) in ICU
...... blockquote snafu .....
I hate to sound cynical, but whether we're talking about Italy, Iran, China, USA or the UK, the daily headline number of new cases simply reflects the scale of testing and the identity of the subjects. I've yet to see a randomised population sample tested anywhere. So we speculate about icebergs instead.2 -
Planet Bendtheknee....Mango said:
What planet do these people live on?AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Give it a rest Alastair.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the government's obsession. Their deadline. Their threatened chaos. And you cheerlead for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will not bow to your obsessionAlastairMeeks said:
And yet the government remains hell bent on its self-imposed deadline as of today, threatening the country with yet more disruption. Perhaps you could admit (through gritted teeth if you must) that the lunatics that you support have got wickedly wrong priorities just now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
On today of all days you continue your rant on brexit when no one is listeningAlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
Far bigger things worry the country now
I have said on several occassions the transistion period should be extended and I have little interest in brexit just now.
Anyway we have left so sometime in the future a deal will have to be done - we are not re-joining1 -
I have not heard that the negotiating teams are being unfriendly - certainly there's no reason to do so, either now or later.Richard_Tyndall said:
Because this involves a very aspect of Government on both sides of the Channel, not just the Departments of Health. Off the top of my head I have seen announcements and briefings from Education, Health, Foreign Office, Trade and Industry, Transport, Defence, Local Authorities, Business, Housing and Communities, Agriculture and loads more.Luckyguy1983 said:Given that neither the Department of Health, nor their EU counterparts are (to my knowledge) negotiating Brexit, can anyone actually give a good reason for extending the transition period, other than the fact that they really really really don't want Brexit, and this has given them a glimmer of hope that its accomplishment might be staved off again? I mean really.
We have left the EU. We are not going back. If we have to postpone the transition period for a year then that is a bit more money we have to pay but in the grand scheme of things it is nothing.
Deal with this first and then afterwards we can get on with finishing the negotiations when everyone has a bit more time and might hopefully be a bit more friendly to each other.0 -
The money that is owed by governments to central banks will never be paid back. So, UK debt to GDP is 60%, not 90%.BluestBlue said:
Is it completely beyond the realm of imagination that every country could get together after the crisis and say 'Whatever your national debt is, cut the last two zeroes off it and pretend it never happened'?ydoethur said:
And the world economy spaffed up the wall finally and forever.rcs1000 said:
I'm being cautious.JM1 said:Why do you think it will be as high as 80K deaths? Say we have 20K deaths this wave (high end) I'm curious as to where the 80K comes from...
It's weird this board.
Yesterday evening, I was arguing with @WhisperingOracle and @eadric about whether this was going to be as bad as the World Wars (only with the million plus deaths all the deaths being in one year).
Now we're talking about perhaps 20,000 deaths - or a rather bad flu season.0 -
It's the reason Boris got a huge majority.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the government's obsession. Their deadline. Their threatened chaos. And you cheerlead for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will not bow to your obsessionAlastairMeeks said:
And yet the government remains hell bent on its self-imposed deadline as of today, threatening the country with yet more disruption. Perhaps you could admit (through gritted teeth if you must) that the lunatics that you support have got wickedly wrong priorities just now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
On today of all days you continue your rant on brexit when no one is listeningAlastairMeeks said:
That's not true. There are shoals of maniacal Leavers who have spent half of this crisis finding new and innovative ways to criticise the EU for its handling of it or to fantasise about how the EU is going to fall as a result. This is all of a piece with their pathological hatred of it.Time_to_Leave said:
I really don’t understand why. It’s astonishing. None of us leaver voters surely would care if it was delayed. This is the ultimate black swan.AlastairMeeks said:
Only today the government reaffirmed that it is hellbent on ending the transition period on 31 December, with or without a deal. They're obsessed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.AlastairMeeks said:
Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.Big_G_NorthWales said:The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
Far bigger things worry the country now
And it's the law.0 -
Another +13% in Italy. Definitely dropping.0
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I agree, a loan to tenants is the only way as far as I can see.eek said:
Relief for rent is slightly more awkward - a mortgage gets extended 3 months and most people wouldn't notice - 3 months of no rent is far harder to handle, especially as I don't see why landlords should be paid off..kinabalu said:
Yes. Relief for mortgages but not rent would be Class War.MaxPB said:We need action for people who rent. Landlords are about to get mortgage relief and their tenants won't get anything.
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The problem is the supply of the basic ingredients, IIRC. The gel itself can be mixed in a bathtub - no chemistry involved.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It is what you'd expect, of course, given the usage rate of hand sanitiser has rocketed but for toilet rolls it is just the purchase rate. I've not stockpiled toilet paper and am becoming conscious that I will need to buy some in three weeks or so. There was a story earlier in the week that LVMH will turn over its perfume factories to make sanitiser for France. You'd hope the government could find a British distiller or perfumer to do the same here.Richard_Tyndall said:
A friend of mine went into Sainsburys mid morning just as the last of the shoppers were leaving with their trollies full of loo roll from the morning delivery.bigjohnowls said:
I found that re the Coop too and other local shopsIanB2 said:Getting a bit frustrated with the chaos, delays and shortages at Waitrose, so I just wandered down the local co-op. There were a few shoppers with half filled baskets but the place was pretty empty. All shelves were full, they even had nine packs of soft toilet rolls, so I am now well stocked up. If only the Waitrose website was working I could delete the toilet paper I have ordered for delivery from them.
If you are short of anything, find a co-op!
New Supermarket coronavirus LIMITS:
ASDA: 2 hand sanitisers and 4 pack toilet rolls
TESCO: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack toilet rolls
WAITROSE: 1 lobster, 6 quails eggs and 100g Foie Gras
ALDI: a MIG welder, a pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit
Anyway, he was chatting with one of the checkout lads who said they have warehouses full of stuff. They are short of nothing except hand sanitiser. But no matter how often they tell the shoppers this, every morning when the lorry turns up with the days resupply it is stripped bare by hoarders. Ridiculous.0 -
Laura Kuennsberg is reading PB. Or Labour is, perhaps.0
