(Long time lurker resurfacing) Re school closures, surely the approach is to make attendance optional. We kept our kid at home lately to help with social distancing. Not a big problem as wife and I can WFH, and we even have granny doing lessons over Skype. But I get that this is difficult for many people.
So just say please keep children at home if you can, and we will provide homework packs. But send to school if you need to.
My lad's school is telling me to send him in unless he shows any sign of illness.
Yes, we got same message. But I think they’re trying to keep schools open as a favour to parents more than anything. And I think a lot of people now send kids in out of a sense of obligation, not because they need to. So let’s make it optional!
I think we've reached the point of a once in a lifetime emergency that the deficit doesn't matter for now. Do what needs to be done, print what needs to be printed and deal with the consequences afterwards.
Further action coming now.
Yes, I think this is the time of unprecedented opportunities for fiscal and monetary policies. Any chancellor should cherish such an occasion.
The lockdown will not last as long as many anticipate. Once new cases start dropping theres going to be huge pressure on the government from business to relax restrictions.Also so many people are psychologically unable to survive lack of social contact and will start demanding reopening of bars, restaurants etc.
I predict the very people agitating for `Lockdown Now' will -- after 6 weeks in a house with their cooped-up children -- be the ones agitating for `End to House Arrest'.
I live in a beautiful and very quiet part of Spain. After just 3 days I'm aching for the lockdown to end and am generally law-abiding and compliant. Believe me I am used to things being very quiet and staying in - but this is awful.
Something far wrong with you if you cannot amuse yourself for 3 days.
(Long time lurker resurfacing) Re school closures, surely the approach is to make attendance optional. We kept our kid at home lately to help with social distancing. Not a big problem as wife and I can WFH, and we even have granny doing lessons over Skype. But I get that this is difficult for many people.
So just say please keep children at home if you can, and we will provide homework packs. But send to school if you need to.
My lad's school is telling me to send him in unless he shows any sign of illness.
Yes, we got same message. But I think they’re trying to keep schools open as a favour to parents more than anything. And I think a lot of people now send kids in out of a sense of obligation, not because they need to. So let’s make it optional!
In any case, all you have to do is say one person in the household has symptoms and they will order you not to come in for 7 days. Nobody is currently checking on the veracity of such statements.
Of course, if you did get caught you might be in trouble because keeping up these home learning larks is causing a huge amount of extra work.
Government says insurance claims will be able to be made and cash grants of £25 000 per business through the period and extension of business rate holiday for rerail, hospitality sector for 12 months and a cash grant if retail value of less than £51 000
America saying they are going to mail cheques out to american people....whats our government doing?
Hopefully the minimum it needs to. I know Laissez Faire economics is about as popular as a dose of cat aids at the moment, but genuinely the economies that will recover faster will be the ones that let as much of the economy do what the economy does as possible.
It costs them absolutely nothing other than a few bales of paper.
(Long time lurker resurfacing) Re school closures, surely the approach is to make attendance optional. We kept our kid at home lately to help with social distancing. Not a big problem as wife and I can WFH, and we even have granny doing lessons over Skype. But I get that this is difficult for many people.
So just say please keep children at home if you can, and we will provide homework packs. But send to school if you need to.
My lad's school is telling me to send him in unless he shows any sign of illness.
Yes, we got same message. But I think they’re trying to keep schools open as a favour to parents more than anything. And I think a lot of people now send kids in out of a sense of obligation, not because they need to. So let’s make it optional!
In any case, all you have to do is say one person in the household has symptoms and they will order you not to come in for 7 days. Nobody is currently checking on the veracity of such statements.
Of course, if you did get caught you might be in trouble because keeping up these home learning larks is causing a huge amount of extra work.
Over a third of the kids on my wife's class are absent today...
Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.
It would have been better to ignore people with mortgages and help renters. Most mortgages have options for payment holidays and it’s a bugger to go for possession. Renters, however...and not all of them have landlords as accommodating as TSE.
Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.
Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.
Too much possibility for fraud? People pretending that their partner, parents are landlords etc.?
America saying they are going to mail cheques out to american people....whats our government doing?
Hopefully the minimum it needs to. I know Laissez Faire economics is about as popular as a dose of cat aids at the moment, but genuinely the economies that will recover faster will be the ones that let as much of the economy do what the economy does as possible.
Does the 1983 in your username refer to the year you are stuck in?
Nothing wrong with 1983. For some of us, it was a truly fabulous year. I did a great many things for the first time in 1983, which all contributed greatly to making me the well-rounded, sophisticated and totally loveable individual I am now.
Well hopefully you weren't doing it anywhere in the vicinity of my mother, or we could be related.
America saying they are going to mail cheques out to american people....whats our government doing?
Hopefully the minimum it needs to. I know Laissez Faire economics is about as popular as a dose of cat aids at the moment, but genuinely the economies that will recover faster will be the ones that let as much of the economy do what the economy does as possible.
Does the 1983 in your username refer to the year you are stuck in?
Nothing wrong with 1983. For some of us, it was a truly fabulous year. I did a great many things for the first time in 1983, which all contributed greatly to making me the well-rounded, sophisticated and totally loveable individual I am now.
Well hopefully you weren't doing it anywhere in the vicinity of my mother, or we could be related.
The first things I did included breathing and eating.
Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.
Well he did say this is step one, supporting renters is probably more complicated than mortgages.
Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.
Well he did say this is step one, supporting renters is probably more complicated than mortgages.
Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.
Too much possibility for fraud? People pretending that their partner, parents are landlords etc.?
This isn't the House of Commons Expenses we're talking about.
Why do you think it will be as high as 80K deaths? Say we have 20K deaths this wave (high end) I'm curious as to where the 80K comes from...
I'm being cautious.
It's weird this board.
Yesterday evening, I was arguing with @WhisperingOracle and @eadric about whether this was going to be as bad as the World Wars (only with the million plus deaths all the deaths being in one year).
Now we're talking about perhaps 20,000 deaths - or a rather bad flu season.
And the world economy spaffed up the wall finally and forever.
Is it completely beyond the realm of imagination that every country could get together after the crisis and say 'Whatever your national debt is, cut the last two zeroes off it and pretend it never happened'?
Not really sure that helps the average paye employee in the least many business will like take the interest free loan and use it to keep the business going while reducing their work force to the minimum. Can't for example see many bar's keeping on barstaff during the interim. Loans should have been tied into safe guarding the workforce too.
Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.
Well he did say this is step one, supporting renters is probably more complicated than mortgages.
Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
Yes, but how does the government cover rent without getting it back? Offer loans to tenants?
The problem is I don’t think they would, most renters live very hand to mouth. One month behind on the rent is therefore a serious, serious matter.
Three months of guaranteed rents, even if not the full amount, for people in isolation would ease things mightily.
This, perhaps (?), goes some way to answering that: BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg asks if firms who need to pay wages now will lose out while the government works through the details of what comes next.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson replies: "The state is asking people to make considerable changes to their lives - only right that the state should stand behind people as they make those changes.
Why do you think it will be as high as 80K deaths? Say we have 20K deaths this wave (high end) I'm curious as to where the 80K comes from...
I'm being cautious.
It's weird this board.
Yesterday evening, I was arguing with @WhisperingOracle and @eadric about whether this was going to be as bad as the World Wars (only with the million plus deaths all the deaths being in one year).
Now we're talking about perhaps 20,000 deaths - or a rather bad flu season.
And the world economy spaffed up the wall finally and forever.
Is it completely beyond the realm of imagination that every country could get together after the crisis and say 'Whatever your national debt is, cut the last two zeroes off it and pretend it never happened'?
Memories of the UK suggesting that after WWI.
My pension is underpinned by other people's debt. How about yours?
Phew - Peston was wrong. It didn’t seem possible the government would be as irresponsible as he was suggesting. But this is only the start. A lot more will be required on top. And it will have to be paid for at some stage. That, though, is for another day.
Not really sure that helps the average paye employee in the least many business will like take the interest free loan and use it to keep the business going while reducing their work force to the minimum. Can't for example see many bar's keeping on barstaff during the interim. Loans should have been tied into safe guarding the workforce too.
Yes, the self-employed and the gig economy will also need more measures, but it's a start.
I'm hopeful that the mention of "employment support" might deal with this, and change the economic model for good - but let's see.
America saying they are going to mail cheques out to american people....whats our government doing?
Hopefully the minimum it needs to. I know Laissez Faire economics is about as popular as a dose of cat aids at the moment, but genuinely the economies that will recover faster will be the ones that let as much of the economy do what the economy does as possible.
It costs them absolutely nothing other than a few bales of paper.
I spent 20 minutes of my life today explaining to a fool that the "economy" isn't just money. It is the mechanism that allows us generate stuff (the fool found the word wealth upsetting) so that we can have an NHS, for example. Or fripperies like feeding poor people. Or keeping 90% of the current population alive - in 1700 we had 6.5 million people in an agricultural economy.
The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
Like Osborne and Cameron did when branding the impact on public finances of the emergency measures to combat the Global Financial Crash as "Labour's Mess"?
But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.
Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
I think Brown was profligate because he blew the budget wide open before the recession.
Nobody has ever (to my mind) criticised him for a deficit occuring during the recession. Its universally accepted that you spend what you need to during downtimes.
Its the spending too much in the good times that Brown rightly gets criticised for.
The lockdown will not last as long as many anticipate. Once new cases start dropping theres going to be huge pressure on the government from business to relax restrictions.Also so many people are psychologically unable to survive lack of social contact and will start demanding reopening of bars, restaurants etc.
I predict the very people agitating for `Lockdown Now' will -- after 6 weeks in a house with their cooped-up children -- be the ones agitating for `End to House Arrest'.
I live in a beautiful and very quiet part of Spain. After just 3 days I'm aching for the lockdown to end and am generally law-abiding and compliant. Believe me I am used to things being very quiet and staying in - but this is awful.
Something far wrong with you if you cannot amuse yourself for 3 days.
To be fair I think it is a well recognised psychological phenomena. Tell someone they can stay inside for 5 days and they will have no problem with it. Tell them they must stay inside for 5 days and before the first day is out they are going up the wall.
The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
Like Osborne and Cameron did when branding the impact on public finances of the emergency measures to combat the Global Financial Crash as "Labour's Mess"?
Labour's mess was blowing the budget wide open before the crisis.
Sunak is a very impressive speaker, Speaks fast and cogently and doesn't miss a beat.
If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.
I was saying the same to my wife. He has come from nowhere to being the obvious replacement to Boris incredibly quickly. Looks and sounds totally on top of his brief.
But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.
Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
I think Brown was profligate because he blew the budget wide open before the recession.
Nobody has ever (to my mind) criticised him for a deficit occuring during the recession. Its universally accepted that you spend what you need to during downtimes.
Its the spending too much in the good times that Brown rightly gets criticised for.
Because the government has been running a surplus since time immemorial? Give your head a wobble.
Public finances were parlous before the government embarked on a spending spree. That's going to make the current measures still more painful in the longterm. The cost of this will outlive all of us.
This sort of questioning is, for now, irrelevant... A reporter refers to research saying it could take up to 18 months for things to return to normal and asks Sir Patrick Vallance if he believes this is the case.
He says the current plan, trying to "squash" the spread of the virus, "needs to be done in a way that we can look at releasing it" and seeing if it holds.
They simply don't have the data to give meaningful answers yet.
Far more important is immediate actions on the economy, and to limit the virus in the short term.
Phew - Peston was wrong. It didn’t seem possible the government would be as irresponsible as he was suggesting. But this is only the start. A lot more will be required on top. And it will have to be paid for at some stage. That, though, is for another day.
And that is what Mr Yorkshire Tea said....this is only the beginning.
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Of course, if you did get caught you might be in trouble because keeping up these home learning larks is causing a huge amount of extra work.
Some journalists are just irresponsible.
For example, the Lombardy lockdown was printed in the Italian press before the politicians could announce it. Thus leading to the panickers fleeing,
In my opinion, journalists like Peston are just hugely, fantastically, querulously irresponsible.
The Chinese would just ensure he disappeared.
I certainly wish we could hear a lot less from him.
This is a huge package.
So unless we were twins...
Most rents cannot.
Three months of guaranteed rents, even if not the full amount, for people in isolation would ease things mightily.
But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.
Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
https://twitter.com/AmnestyUK/status/1239965040846835712
If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg asks if firms who need to pay wages now will lose out while the government works through the details of what comes next.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson replies: "The state is asking people to make considerable changes to their lives - only right that the state should stand behind people as they make those changes.
"That is what we are going to do," he adds.
Or possibly Peston just talks nonstop bollocks.
I'm hopeful that the mention of "employment support" might deal with this, and change the economic model for good - but let's see.
Nobody has ever (to my mind) criticised him for a deficit occuring during the recession. Its universally accepted that you spend what you need to during downtimes.
Its the spending too much in the good times that Brown rightly gets criticised for.
Plenty of commitments, in principle....
We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
#BorisTheBunger
Public finances were parlous before the government embarked on a spending spree. That's going to make the current measures still more painful in the longterm. The cost of this will outlive all of us.
Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely (at a safe distance).
A reporter refers to research saying it could take up to 18 months for things to return to normal and asks Sir Patrick Vallance if he believes this is the case.
He says the current plan, trying to "squash" the spread of the virus, "needs to be done in a way that we can look at releasing it" and seeing if it holds.
They simply don't have the data to give meaningful answers yet.
Far more important is immediate actions on the economy, and to limit the virus in the short term.
Longer term decisions will have to wait.
Also, do we have a Chancellor who actually understands some of what he’s read?... Wow.