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  • AlanSAlanS Posts: 9

    AlanS said:

    (Long time lurker resurfacing)
    Re school closures, surely the approach is to make attendance optional. We kept our kid at home lately to help with social distancing. Not a big problem as wife and I can WFH, and we even have granny doing lessons over Skype. But I get that this is difficult for many people.

    So just say please keep children at home if you can, and we will provide homework packs. But send to school if you need to.

    My lad's school is telling me to send him in unless he shows any sign of illness.
    Yes, we got same message. But I think they’re trying to keep schools open as a favour to parents more than anything. And I think a lot of people now send kids in out of a sense of obligation, not because they need to. So let’s make it optional!
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    Any individually-directed policies on incomes ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Hose us with cash, Rishi.

    Ooooo. :p
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Blanket power to be taken by the Chancellor in a bill to do "whatever he deems necessary"
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Bloo-dy-hell
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Peston LOL
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    RobD said:

    Hose us with cash, Rishi.

    Ooooo. :p
    Is it loans or handouts?
  • Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    He's up.

    I bet Javid`s glad he jacked it.
    I think we've reached the point of a once in a lifetime emergency that the deficit doesn't matter for now. Do what needs to be done, print what needs to be printed and deal with the consequences afterwards.

    Further action coming now.
    Yes, I think this is the time of unprecedented opportunities for fiscal and monetary policies. Any chancellor should cherish such an occasion.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359
    felix said:

    spire2 said:

    The lockdown will not last as long as many anticipate. Once new cases start dropping theres going to be huge pressure on the government from business to relax restrictions.Also so many people are psychologically unable to survive lack of social contact and will start demanding reopening of bars, restaurants etc.

    I predict the very people agitating for `Lockdown Now' will -- after 6 weeks in a house with their cooped-up children -- be the ones agitating for `End to House Arrest'.
    I live in a beautiful and very quiet part of Spain. After just 3 days I'm aching for the lockdown to end and am generally law-abiding and compliant. Believe me I am used to things being very quiet and staying in - but this is awful.
    Something far wrong with you if you cannot amuse yourself for 3 days.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    AlanS said:

    AlanS said:

    (Long time lurker resurfacing)
    Re school closures, surely the approach is to make attendance optional. We kept our kid at home lately to help with social distancing. Not a big problem as wife and I can WFH, and we even have granny doing lessons over Skype. But I get that this is difficult for many people.

    So just say please keep children at home if you can, and we will provide homework packs. But send to school if you need to.

    My lad's school is telling me to send him in unless he shows any sign of illness.
    Yes, we got same message. But I think they’re trying to keep schools open as a favour to parents more than anything. And I think a lot of people now send kids in out of a sense of obligation, not because they need to. So let’s make it optional!
    In any case, all you have to do is say one person in the household has symptoms and they will order you not to come in for 7 days. Nobody is currently checking on the veracity of such statements.

    Of course, if you did get caught you might be in trouble because keeping up these home learning larks is causing a huge amount of extra work.
  • Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    Hose us with cash, Rishi.

    Ooooo. :p
    Is it loans or handouts?
    "Loans on attractive terms"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited March 2020
    Government says insurance claims will be able to be made and cash grants of £25 000 per business through the period and extension of business rate holiday for rerail, hospitality sector for 12 months and a cash grant if retail value of less than £51 000
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359

    Pagan2 said:

    America saying they are going to mail cheques out to american people....whats our government doing?

    Hopefully the minimum it needs to. I know Laissez Faire economics is about as popular as a dose of cat aids at the moment, but genuinely the economies that will recover faster will be the ones that let as much of the economy do what the economy does as possible.
    It costs them absolutely nothing other than a few bales of paper.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Peston is a joke 😂
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Stocky said:

    RobD said:

    Hose us with cash, Rishi.

    Ooooo. :p
    Is it loans or handouts?
    "Loans on attractive terms"
    And a bunch of cash grants, which sound like money with no strings attached.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    ydoethur said:

    AlanS said:

    AlanS said:

    (Long time lurker resurfacing)
    Re school closures, surely the approach is to make attendance optional. We kept our kid at home lately to help with social distancing. Not a big problem as wife and I can WFH, and we even have granny doing lessons over Skype. But I get that this is difficult for many people.

    So just say please keep children at home if you can, and we will provide homework packs. But send to school if you need to.

    My lad's school is telling me to send him in unless he shows any sign of illness.
    Yes, we got same message. But I think they’re trying to keep schools open as a favour to parents more than anything. And I think a lot of people now send kids in out of a sense of obligation, not because they need to. So let’s make it optional!
    In any case, all you have to do is say one person in the household has symptoms and they will order you not to come in for 7 days. Nobody is currently checking on the veracity of such statements.

    Of course, if you did get caught you might be in trouble because keeping up these home learning larks is causing a huge amount of extra work.
    Over a third of the kids on my wife's class are absent today...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    How many times has he said "whatever it takes" today?
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited March 2020

    How many times has he said "whatever it takes" today?

    It's the new "get it done".
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Bloo-dy-hell x2
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited March 2020
    3 month mortgage holiday for those in difficulty
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    More coming in further days too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    I heard something about mortgages. I didn’t hear anything about renters. Did I miss it, or was it not there?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Brewery has advised owners of a bar that a 3 month shutdown coming soon
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Nothing announced.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This looks very impressive.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited March 2020
    So, Peston wrong again. And he was the one talking about "house arrest for the over 70s" over the weekend as well.

    Some journalists are just irresponsible.

    For example, the Lombardy lockdown was printed in the Italian press before the politicians could announce it. Thus leading to the panickers fleeing,

    In my opinion, journalists like Peston are just hugely, fantastically, querulously irresponsible.

    The Chinese would just ensure he disappeared.

    I certainly wish we could hear a lot less from him.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Floater said:

    Brewery has advised owners of a bar that a 3 month shutdown coming soon

    Allegedly includes schools but why a brewery would know that I dont know
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Peston 100% wrong.

    This is a huge package.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    How many times has he said "whatever it takes" today?

    But that is exactly what the country needs to hear
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    This looks very impressive.

    Indeed. Details details but the scale is what we need.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Nothing announced.
    It would have been better to ignore people with mortgages and help renters. Most mortgages have options for payment holidays and it’s a bugger to go for possession. Renters, however...and not all of them have landlords as accommodating as TSE.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    Employment support ? Now we might be getting somewhere, combined with what sound effectively like very large business grants.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.

    More important, because more vulnerable.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited March 2020
    If renters aren't getting relief whilst mortgage holders are then there Wil be socially distanced riots.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680

    Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.

    Too much possibility for fraud? People pretending that their partner, parents are landlords etc.?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,483
    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    America saying they are going to mail cheques out to american people....whats our government doing?

    Hopefully the minimum it needs to. I know Laissez Faire economics is about as popular as a dose of cat aids at the moment, but genuinely the economies that will recover faster will be the ones that let as much of the economy do what the economy does as possible.
    Does the 1983 in your username refer to the year you are stuck in?
    Nothing wrong with 1983. For some of us, it was a truly fabulous year. I did a great many things for the first time in 1983, which all contributed greatly to making me the well-rounded, sophisticated and totally loveable individual I am now.
    Well hopefully you weren't doing it anywhere in the vicinity of my mother, or we could be related.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    America saying they are going to mail cheques out to american people....whats our government doing?

    Hopefully the minimum it needs to. I know Laissez Faire economics is about as popular as a dose of cat aids at the moment, but genuinely the economies that will recover faster will be the ones that let as much of the economy do what the economy does as possible.
    Does the 1983 in your username refer to the year you are stuck in?
    Nothing wrong with 1983. For some of us, it was a truly fabulous year. I did a great many things for the first time in 1983, which all contributed greatly to making me the well-rounded, sophisticated and totally loveable individual I am now.
    Well hopefully you weren't doing it anywhere in the vicinity of my mother, or we could be related.
    The first things I did included breathing and eating.

    So unless we were twins...
  • glwglw Posts: 9,910

    Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.

    Well he did say this is step one, supporting renters is probably more complicated than mortgages.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
    Yes, but how does the government cover rent without getting it back? Offer loans to tenants?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
    Indeed, it’s peanuts
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    glw said:

    Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.

    Well he did say this is step one, supporting renters is probably more complicated than mortgages.
    The point is that most mortgages can be deferred.

    Most rents cannot.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.

    Too much possibility for fraud? People pretending that their partner, parents are landlords etc.?
    This isn't the House of Commons Expenses we're talking about.
  • The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    Peston is a joke 😂

    Not a very funny one.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
    Yes, but how does the government cover rent without getting it back? Offer loans to tenants?
    Print money.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,379

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JM1 said:

    Why do you think it will be as high as 80K deaths? Say we have 20K deaths this wave (high end) I'm curious as to where the 80K comes from...

    I'm being cautious.

    It's weird this board.

    Yesterday evening, I was arguing with @WhisperingOracle and @eadric about whether this was going to be as bad as the World Wars (only with the million plus deaths all the deaths being in one year).

    Now we're talking about perhaps 20,000 deaths - or a rather bad flu season.
    And the world economy spaffed up the wall finally and forever.
    Is it completely beyond the realm of imagination that every country could get together after the crisis and say 'Whatever your national debt is, cut the last two zeroes off it and pretend it never happened'?
    Memories of the UK suggesting that after WWI.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis

    Dream on Big G
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited March 2020
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
    Yes, but how does the government cover rent without getting it back? Offer loans to tenants?
    The problem is I don’t think they would, most renters live very hand to mouth. One month behind on the rent is therefore a serious, serious matter.

    Three months of guaranteed rents, even if not the full amount, for people in isolation would ease things mightily.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Looks as though this is being well received can only sit back and see how it develops.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
    Indeed, it’s peanuts
    Yes, agreed, but these things are presented as though folk have a free mortgage for a period.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,229
    ydoethur said:

    £330 billion? Fuck me.

    And we thought Brown was profligate...

    I didn't.

    But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.

    Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,267

    So, Peston wrong again. And he was the one talking about "house arrest for the over 70s" over the weekend as well.

    Some journalists are just irresponsible.

    For example, the Lombardy lockdown was printed in the Italian press before the politicians could announce it. Thus leading to the panickers fleeing,

    In my opinion, journalists like Peston are just hugely, fantastically, querulously irresponsible.

    The Chinese would just ensure he disappeared.

    I certainly wish we could hear a lot less from him.

    Isn't Peston being fed hypothetical "ideas" to gauge the reaction? The American expression is "run it up the pole and see if anyone salutes it".
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    In unrelated (partly) news from Iran:
    https://twitter.com/AmnestyUK/status/1239965040846835712
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,878
    Not really sure that helps the average paye employee in the least many business will like take the interest free loan and use it to keep the business going while reducing their work force to the minimum. Can't for example see many bar's keeping on barstaff during the interim. Loans should have been tied into safe guarding the workforce too.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
    Yes, but how does the government cover rent without getting it back? Offer loans to tenants?
    The problem is I don’t think they would, most renters live very hand to mouth. One month behind on the rent is therefore a serious, serious matter.

    Three months of guaranteed rents, even if not the full amount, for people in isolation would ease things mightily.
    Yes indeed, hence not creditworthy. The eventual economic damage that is being wrought is yet to reveal itself.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    £330 billion? Fuck me.

    And we thought Brown was profligate...

    I didn't.

    But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.

    Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
    Brown spent too much money in the good times, but he was entirely right to do it in the bad times.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    ydoethur said:

    glw said:

    Powerful by Sunak. My only criticism is that renters weren't mentioned, that's as important as mortgages. I hope the details once published include an answer on that.

    Well he did say this is step one, supporting renters is probably more complicated than mortgages.
    The point is that most mortgages can be deferred.

    Most rents cannot.
    Short term Housing benefit?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
    Indeed, it’s peanuts
    Yes, agreed, but these things are presented as though folk have a free mortgage for a period.
    Because they do.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Alistair said:

    If renters aren't getting relief whilst mortgage holders are then there Wil be socially distanced riots.

    Is that a riot in my pants?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited March 2020

    The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis

    Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Sunak is a very impressive speaker, Speaks fast and cogently and doesn't miss a beat.

    If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.
  • Floater said:

    The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis

    Dream on Big G
    Maybe and a bit naive but it has to be the way forward
  • glwglw Posts: 9,910
    Fair play to Boris, he's just taken full responsibility for everything coronavirus related. He's not doing a Trump.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    3 month mortgage holiday for those self isolating

    What about people who rent?
    Mortgage holiday still means that interest will be accruing, I assume.
    Interest that can be paid later is absolutely piss all compared to rent.
    Yes, but how does the government cover rent without getting it back? Offer loans to tenants?
    The problem is I don’t think they would, most renters live very hand to mouth. One month behind on the rent is therefore a serious, serious matter.

    Three months of guaranteed rents, even if not the full amount, for people in isolation would ease things mightily.
    This, perhaps (?), goes some way to answering that:
    BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg asks if firms who need to pay wages now will lose out while the government works through the details of what comes next.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson replies: "The state is asking people to make considerable changes to their lives - only right that the state should stand behind people as they make those changes.

    "That is what we are going to do," he adds.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    £330 billion? Fuck me.

    And we thought Brown was profligate...

    I didn't.

    But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.

    Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
    Because Brown faced a similar disaster from 2001 onwards ?.... oh wait
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    So, Peston wrong again. And he was the one talking about "house arrest for the over 70s" over the weekend as well.

    Some journalists are just irresponsible.

    For example, the Lombardy lockdown was printed in the Italian press before the politicians could announce it. Thus leading to the panickers fleeing,

    In my opinion, journalists like Peston are just hugely, fantastically, querulously irresponsible.

    The Chinese would just ensure he disappeared.

    I certainly wish we could hear a lot less from him.

    Isn't Peston being fed hypothetical "ideas" to gauge the reaction? The American expression is "run it up the pole and see if anyone salutes it".
    Possibly.

    Or possibly Peston just talks nonstop bollocks.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,267

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JM1 said:

    Why do you think it will be as high as 80K deaths? Say we have 20K deaths this wave (high end) I'm curious as to where the 80K comes from...

    I'm being cautious.

    It's weird this board.

    Yesterday evening, I was arguing with @WhisperingOracle and @eadric about whether this was going to be as bad as the World Wars (only with the million plus deaths all the deaths being in one year).

    Now we're talking about perhaps 20,000 deaths - or a rather bad flu season.
    And the world economy spaffed up the wall finally and forever.
    Is it completely beyond the realm of imagination that every country could get together after the crisis and say 'Whatever your national debt is, cut the last two zeroes off it and pretend it never happened'?
    Memories of the UK suggesting that after WWI.
    My pension is underpinned by other people's debt. How about yours?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Floater said:

    The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis

    Dream on Big G
    Maybe and a bit naive but it has to be the way forward
    People are still carping even now
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    Phew - Peston was wrong. It didn’t seem possible the government would be as irresponsible as he was suggesting. But this is only the start. A lot more will be required on top. And it will have to be paid for at some stage. That, though, is for another day.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    Pagan2 said:

    Not really sure that helps the average paye employee in the least many business will like take the interest free loan and use it to keep the business going while reducing their work force to the minimum. Can't for example see many bar's keeping on barstaff during the interim. Loans should have been tied into safe guarding the workforce too.

    Yes, the self-employed and the gig economy will also need more measures, but it's a start.

    I'm hopeful that the mention of "employment support" might deal with this, and change the economic model for good - but let's see.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Fenster said:

    Sunak is a very impressive speaker, Speaks fast and cogently and doesn't miss a beat.

    If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.

    Sunak is a highly intelligent man. I wish all politicians were similarly so.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,379
    malcolmg said:

    Pagan2 said:

    America saying they are going to mail cheques out to american people....whats our government doing?

    Hopefully the minimum it needs to. I know Laissez Faire economics is about as popular as a dose of cat aids at the moment, but genuinely the economies that will recover faster will be the ones that let as much of the economy do what the economy does as possible.
    It costs them absolutely nothing other than a few bales of paper.
    I spent 20 minutes of my life today explaining to a fool that the "economy" isn't just money. It is the mechanism that allows us generate stuff (the fool found the word wealth upsetting) so that we can have an NHS, for example. Or fripperies like feeding poor people. Or keeping 90% of the current population alive - in 1700 we had 6.5 million people in an agricultural economy.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,229

    The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis

    Like Osborne and Cameron did when branding the impact on public finances of the emergency measures to combat the Global Financial Crash as "Labour's Mess"?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    £330 billion? Fuck me.

    And we thought Brown was profligate...

    I didn't.

    But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.

    Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
    I think Brown was profligate because he blew the budget wide open before the recession.

    Nobody has ever (to my mind) criticised him for a deficit occuring during the recession. Its universally accepted that you spend what you need to during downtimes.

    Its the spending too much in the good times that Brown rightly gets criticised for.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    I live with my parents, if there was rent relief, would I be entitled to it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    Devil is obviously in the detail, and we won't have any of the today.

    Plenty of commitments, in principle....
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,570
    malcolmg said:

    felix said:

    spire2 said:

    The lockdown will not last as long as many anticipate. Once new cases start dropping theres going to be huge pressure on the government from business to relax restrictions.Also so many people are psychologically unable to survive lack of social contact and will start demanding reopening of bars, restaurants etc.

    I predict the very people agitating for `Lockdown Now' will -- after 6 weeks in a house with their cooped-up children -- be the ones agitating for `End to House Arrest'.
    I live in a beautiful and very quiet part of Spain. After just 3 days I'm aching for the lockdown to end and am generally law-abiding and compliant. Believe me I am used to things being very quiet and staying in - but this is awful.
    Something far wrong with you if you cannot amuse yourself for 3 days.
    To be fair I think it is a well recognised psychological phenomena. Tell someone they can stay inside for 5 days and they will have no problem with it. Tell them they must stay inside for 5 days and before the first day is out they are going up the wall.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited March 2020
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    £330 billion? Fuck me.

    And we thought Brown was profligate...

    I didn't.

    But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.

    Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
    The sun is not shining now.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis

    Like Osborne and Cameron did when branding the impact on public finances of the emergency measures to combat the Global Financial Crash as "Labour's Mess"?
    Labour's mess was blowing the budget wide open before the crisis.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    DavidL said:

    Peston is a joke 😂

    Not a very funny one.
    Peston is a very useful contra-indicator.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Fenster said:

    Sunak is a very impressive speaker, Speaks fast and cogently and doesn't miss a beat.

    If I spoke that fast my brain would never catch up and there'd be a swear word every three words.

    I was saying the same to my wife. He has come from nowhere to being the obvious replacement to Boris incredibly quickly. Looks and sounds totally on top of his brief.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    edited March 2020
    Mention of rents as grants for businesses. Not for people.
  • The support package is vast and I hope those opponents who keep attacking HMG finally accept that we must unify over this national crisis

    Tell your party leader to stop dangling no deal Brexit over the country's heads as a weapon and you might be heeded.
    I do not think Brexit is even in the mix at this time.

    We have left and an agreement with the EU may have to be delayed but we will not rejoin
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    tlg86 said:

    I live with my parents, if there was rent relief, would I be entitled to it?

    Can we save it for people who might actually need the support?
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    ydoethur said:

    Mention of rents as grants for businesses. Not for people.

    The people stuff comes tomorrow
  • Peston 100% wrong.

    This is a huge package.

    Well, the first sentence is evergreen. Stopped clocks are right more frequently than Pesto.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited March 2020
    The Boris Bung - is it enough?

    #BorisTheBunger
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    £330 billion? Fuck me.

    And we thought Brown was profligate...

    I didn't.

    But I trust that people who did think he was do not have the cheek to now laud this.

    Because they would look like partisan Tory softheads, wouldn't they?
    I think Brown was profligate because he blew the budget wide open before the recession.

    Nobody has ever (to my mind) criticised him for a deficit occuring during the recession. Its universally accepted that you spend what you need to during downtimes.

    Its the spending too much in the good times that Brown rightly gets criticised for.
    Because the government has been running a surplus since time immemorial? Give your head a wobble.

    Public finances were parlous before the government embarked on a spending spree. That's going to make the current measures still more painful in the longterm. The cost of this will outlive all of us.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    We need action for people who rent. Landlords are about to get mortgage relief and their tenants won't get anything.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Remember in 2006 when politics was really boring?

    Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely (at a safe distance).
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Can tell no journalists rent, nobody has asked the question we picked up on about rent v mortgage.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Floater said:

    tlg86 said:

    I live with my parents, if there was rent relief, would I be entitled to it?

    Can we save it for people who might actually need the support?
    Well, fine, but means testing is rather difficult and that was the point of my question.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,228
    This sort of questioning is, for now, irrelevant...
    A reporter refers to research saying it could take up to 18 months for things to return to normal and asks Sir Patrick Vallance if he believes this is the case.

    He says the current plan, trying to "squash" the spread of the virus, "needs to be done in a way that we can look at releasing it" and seeing if it holds.


    They simply don't have the data to give meaningful answers yet.

    Far more important is immediate actions on the economy, and to limit the virus in the short term.

    Longer term decisions will have to wait.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Blimey. We’re going to live in a very different world in 12 months time.

    Also, do we have a Chancellor who actually understands some of what he’s read?... Wow.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020

    Phew - Peston was wrong. It didn’t seem possible the government would be as irresponsible as he was suggesting. But this is only the start. A lot more will be required on top. And it will have to be paid for at some stage. That, though, is for another day.

    And that is what Mr Yorkshire Tea said....this is only the beginning.
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