Anecdote: my mates GP's now has a sign saying strictly no entry unless you have an appointment and the appointment phoning process involves questions on travel etc etc
Aside from "my mate's GP" (LOL) so are they banning people who might be ill from attending the GP surgery? Just a healthy people's place?
As I posted earlier our surgery have closed their 8.00 - 10.00 sit and wait system and is banning everyone from calling at the surgery who has not telephoned in first and been triaged
Seems very sensible to me
Yes agree. Only people who are well should go to the doctors.
Anecdote: my mates GP's now has a sign saying strictly no entry unless you have an appointment and the appointment phoning process involves questions on travel etc etc
Aside from "my mate's GP" (LOL) so are they banning people who might be ill from attending the GP surgery? Just a healthy people's place?
It's to stop morons who are keeping calm and carrying on rocking up with the virus and infecting all the old dears. Sensible stuff that one.
Absolutely. We can extend it to all kinds of illnesses.
Are you ill? Well stay away from your GP so worried well morons can use up the appointments.
No because that would be stupid. This is a highly infectious disease that is now a global pandemic.
Have you always been this dense or have you just bumped your head or something?
What is the percentage of people in the UK who have it?
No one knows that you fucking cretin.
So you are crapping yourself with no stats?
Figures.
Apologies for swearing. I'm just trying to explain to you why it would be a bit of a bad idea for people with infectious deadly diseases, particularly deadly in the elderly, rocking up in surgeries predominantly filled with the elderly.
The second order issue, apart from infecting them all, is that the surgery will be shut for days whilst it gets a deep clean, thereby depriving everyone in that practice of their primary care.
It's all good. This is an internet forum. A lot goes.
My point is that it is worse than normal flu but how much worse? Five times? Ten times? But without the Coronavirus people still go to the GP with flu.
The mother-in-law lives with us. She has dementia and is very frail. We cannot isolate ourselves from her. My thought is that I should now work from home and not travel to the office in London to reduce the chances of me getting infected and passing it on to her. Is that right?
Yes, that's exactly right. Do that. And since IIRC you're in a leadership role in the company, maybe also good to send out an email telling everyone what you're doing and why, which makes it easier for other people who should be doing something similar to do something similar.
I’ve already told all my reports they can work from home. Most have chosen not to so far.
The mother-in-law lives with us. She has dementia and is very frail. We cannot isolate ourselves from her. My thought is that I should now work from home and not travel to the office in London to reduce the chances of me getting infected and passing it on to her. Is that right? After being an utter dick by going to Israel it’s time to act responsibly.
Is it possible to live separately in the house? Different bed and bathroom, towels etc?
She needs to be taken to the bathroom, washed etc. I don’t do that - my wife and carers do, but I interact with them.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
The mother-in-law lives with us. She has dementia and is very frail. We cannot isolate ourselves from her. My thought is that I should now work from home and not travel to the office in London to reduce the chances of me getting infected and passing it on to her. Is that right?
Yes, that's exactly right. Do that. And since IIRC you're in a leadership role in the company, maybe also good to send out an email telling everyone what you're doing and why, which makes it easier for other people who should be doing something similar to do something similar.
I’ve already told all my reports they can work from home. Most have chosen not to so far.
Anecdote: my mates GP's now has a sign saying strictly no entry unless you have an appointment and the appointment phoning process involves questions on travel etc etc
Aside from "my mate's GP" (LOL) so are they banning people who might be ill from attending the GP surgery? Just a healthy people's place?
As I posted earlier our surgery have closed their 8.00 - 10.00 sit and wait system and is banning everyone from calling at the surgery who has not telephoned in first and been triaged
Seems very sensible to me
Yes agree. Only people who are well should go to the doctors.
Anecdote: my mates GP's now has a sign saying strictly no entry unless you have an appointment and the appointment phoning process involves questions on travel etc etc
Aside from "my mate's GP" (LOL) so are they banning people who might be ill from attending the GP surgery? Just a healthy people's place?
It's to stop morons who are keeping calm and carrying on rocking up with the virus and infecting all the old dears. Sensible stuff that one.
Absolutely. We can extend it to all kinds of illnesses.
Are you ill? Well stay away from your GP so worried well morons can use up the appointments.
No because that would be stupid. This is a highly infectious disease that is now a global pandemic.
Have you always been this dense or have you just bumped your head or something?
What is the percentage of people in the UK who have it?
No one knows that you fucking cretin.
So you are crapping yourself with no stats?
Figures.
Apologies for swearing. I'm just trying to explain to you why it would be a bit of a bad idea for people with infectious deadly diseases, particularly deadly in the elderly, rocking up in surgeries predominantly filled with the elderly.
The second order issue, apart from infecting them all, is that the surgery will be shut for days whilst it gets a deep clean, thereby depriving everyone in that practice of their primary care.
It's all good. This is an internet forum. A lot goes.
My point is that it is worse than normal flu but how much worse? Five times? Ten times? But without the Coronavirus people still go to the GP with flu.
Between 5 and 25 times worse than the flu, probably.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Maybe the site should be re-named "pandemicfretting"?
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
Brexit sounds like something from the late 19th century now.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Brexiloon ! Elite liberal remoaner ! I'm moving to Canada / Scotland / Tunbridge Wells / the New Forest, anything to get away from you unpatriotic traitors / nazi fascists !
The mother-in-law lives with us. She has dementia and is very frail. We cannot isolate ourselves from her. My thought is that I should now work from home and not travel to the office in London to reduce the chances of me getting infected and passing it on to her. Is that right?
Yes, that's exactly right. Do that. And since IIRC you're in a leadership role in the company, maybe also good to send out an email telling everyone what you're doing and why, which makes it easier for other people who should be doing something similar to do something similar.
I’ve already told all my reports they can work from home. Most have chosen not to so far.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
Elizabeth Warren Is Unlikely to Endorse Bernie Sanders. Here’s Why. Though Ms. Warren and Mr. Sanders agree on many progressive issues, her campaign has highlighted a rift over how they build political coalitions. And she doesn’t think he can win.
Bernie Bros on my twitter feed are fucking furious with Warren. They blame everything on her.
Personally I think they are angry with themselves. They could have got 80% of what they wanted if they had backed the Big Liz and instead they get nothing and deep down they know this.
But, like Corbyn, they fell in love with the old grandpa with his twinkle.
The mother-in-law lives with us. She has dementia and is very frail. We cannot isolate ourselves from her. My thought is that I should now work from home and not travel to the office in London to reduce the chances of me getting infected and passing it on to her. Is that right?
Yes, that's exactly right. Do that. And since IIRC you're in a leadership role in the company, maybe also good to send out an email telling everyone what you're doing and why, which makes it easier for other people who should be doing something similar to do something similar.
I’ve already told all my reports they can work from home. Most have chosen not to so far.
Often showing is better than telling...
Showing starts now.
My lot are working from home and not travelling. Had an all staff call this morning, felt like I was a somber old school newsreader reading out a declaration of war or some such mournful news.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
The mother-in-law lives with us. She has dementia and is very frail. We cannot isolate ourselves from her. My thought is that I should now work from home and not travel to the office in London to reduce the chances of me getting infected and passing it on to her. Is that right?
Yes, that's exactly right. Do that. And since IIRC you're in a leadership role in the company, maybe also good to send out an email telling everyone what you're doing and why, which makes it easier for other people who should be doing something similar to do something similar.
I’ve already told all my reports they can work from home. Most have chosen not to so far.
Often showing is better than telling...
Showing starts now.
Good move.
You weren’t here earlier but there were several testimonies that people’s companies were waiting for government advice to move to home-working.
If your teams can work at home, then have them do so. Why wait for government advice to do so (especially since home working is a normal practice anyway)?
Feck. Away goals rule shouldn't count in extra time.
I thought that, but when you think about it maybe it is fair enough that they do.
The home team in the second leg get an extra half an hour at home. Lets say the teams are of identical ability, and home advantage is the same for both teams... so on a neutral ground, a 30 minute match would be 50/50
If we say home advantage makes the home team 66.6/33.3 favs to win extra time, then its fair enough for away goals to count double. So whether it is fair or not depends on the difference it makes to the chances of going through that the home side in the second leg get by having an extra half an hour to play in front of their fans.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
Our Shanghai team are getting back to normal after six weeks. It was difficult and frustrating, but ok.
The mother-in-law lives with us. She has dementia and is very frail. We cannot isolate ourselves from her. My thought is that I should now work from home and not travel to the office in London to reduce the chances of me getting infected and passing it on to her. Is that right? After being an utter dick by going to Israel it’s time to act responsibly.
Is it possible to live separately in the house? Different bed and bathroom, towels etc?
She needs to be taken to the bathroom, washed etc. I don’t do that - my wife and carers do, but I interact with them.
Fingers crossed.
Gulp!
I suspect weeks rather than months, but who knows?
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
As a precaution, I feel air conditioning should be switched off until we know more. I know I'm a stuck record on this. I am lucky enough not to be at risk, so it's not for me. But it makes sense really, even if it's just because the virus seems to prefer cooler temperatures. Anyone who is in control of an office or building where people congregate should look at this issue.
Switch HVAC off. Keep smoking fags. Pour bleach in your ears. Got it.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
It does show how decadent life in the west is in 21st Century, that it is thought that the population can't sit in our homes for 12 weeks, despite having all sorts of entertainment devices.
It is hardly Steve McQueen going into the hole with only his baseball for 3 months.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
Brilliant. But get your agent to give it a second look. Could be over egging it a tadge.
As a precaution, I feel air conditioning should be switched off until we know more. I know I'm a stuck record on this. I am lucky enough not to be at risk, so it's not for me. But it makes sense really, even if it's just because the virus seems to prefer cooler temperatures. Anyone who is in control of an office or building where people congregate should look at this issue.
Switch HVAC off. Keep smoking fags. Pour bleach in your ears. Got it.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
"How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways: gradually, then suddenly." (Hemingway)
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
Times tomorrow reporting all football will with immediate affect be behind closed doors
I really think that the announcement at 7pm was supposed to be this stuff, but got pulled for some reason.
Keep Sunak on front pages.
Nah its much more than that. If that was the case, they would never had briefed to the press that there was a big announcement at 7pm.
These aren't normal times and all silly buggery like that has been suspended, well other than the press, who think doorstepping somebody with coronavirus is a good idea.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
"How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways: gradually, then suddenly." (Hemingway)
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
As the Americans say, the Greatest Generation got through. Are we up to it? No one under 80 basically has experienced what looks like happening.
Times tomorrow reporting all football will with immediate affect be behind closed doors
I really think that the announcement at 7pm was supposed to be this stuff, but got pulled for some reason.
Keep Sunak on front pages.
Nah its much more than that. If that was the case, they would never had briefed to the press that there was a big announcement at 7pm.
What could it be otherwise though that would change between 7pm tonight and 5pm tomorrow?
I don't know, perhaps they hadn't got something signed off as required in time. Perhaps somebody found some error in something or wanted a second opinion if an action was legal without a bill*. Even suspending all sporting events, I presume there is a load of things that needed to be processed.
And now it has been given the go ahead, as clearly they are now leaking it out that tomorrow stuff changes.
* And clearly they don't think the most draconian things are, because they are passing a bill on Monday.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
As the Americans say, the Greatest Generation got through. Are we up to it? No one under 80 basically has experienced what looks like happening.
I'm still struggling to break through my normalcy bias. A large part of me can't believe that this isn't overblown, but then again 65m people are in total lockdown in a modern Western country.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
As the Americans say, the Greatest Generation got through. Are we up to it? No one under 80 basically has experienced what looks like happening.
I'm still struggling to break through my normalcy bias. A large part of me can't believe that this isn't overblown, but then again 65m people are in total lockdown in a modern Western country.
It is really hard to comprehend that shortly all the Western world will be locked down and under threat. Only those that lived through WWII will have any idea about this.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
"How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways: gradually, then suddenly." (Hemingway)
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
OK, him I expect this sort of destructive nonsense from, but you're capable of better. I'm disappointed.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
"How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways: gradually, then suddenly." (Hemingway)
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
Do you expect to survive?
I am under 60, and my life is such that if I self-isolated it would be like the Parker/Coolidge gag - how can they tell? So the clever money is on survival.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
As the Americans say, the Greatest Generation got through. Are we up to it? No one under 80 basically has experienced what looks like happening.
I'm still struggling to break through my normalcy bias. A large part of me can't believe that this isn't overblown, but then again 65m people are in total lockdown in a modern Western country.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
As the Americans say, the Greatest Generation got through. Are we up to it? No one under 80 basically has experienced what looks like happening.
I'm still struggling to break through my normalcy bias. A large part of me can't believe that this isn't overblown, but then again 65m people are in total lockdown in a modern Western country.
I am losing track of the number of 'it's overblown by the press' comments I get from extended family and friends.
Apart from the one mate who has been on about buying a shotgun and heading to the woods for years.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
"How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways: gradually, then suddenly." (Hemingway)
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
Do you expect to survive?
I am under 60, and my life is such that if I self-isolated it would be like the Parker/Coolidge gag - how can they tell? So the clever money is on survival.
You?
Yep. So that's you and me. But according to you it's everyone else that should be worried?
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
As the Americans say, the Greatest Generation got through. Are we up to it? No one under 80 basically has experienced what looks like happening.
I think we're up to it. I wish it hadn't happened to us, but yes, we are still the same people. We have the right stuff.
Some of the stories of health workers in China are truly inspiring. They will be the front line in the West as they were in the East. The best that the rest of us can do is the obvious, give them less stress, stay home, don't get ill, take your vitamins, do the right exercise, cope with the solitude.
We face a social blackout, as our forefathers faced a literal blackout. But they endured, and we will too.
What music do you think works best as a soundtrack to your posts?
Something happened on the way to the revolution Bernie Sanders said would take him to victory in 2020. His people didn’t show up.
That only means one thing: The ballyhooed coalition of young and non-traditional voters that Sanders said would turn out all across the country in unprecedented numbers to agitate for free college, Medicare for All, and the Green New Deal . . . didn’t.
"A cabinet minister is self-isolating while awaiting the results of a coronavirus test.
The minister, who the BBC is not naming, was tested on Thursday after coming into contact with health minister Nadine Dorries at a recent Downing Street reception".
So who was absent from the front bench today for the budget?
Gavin Williamson? Gove? They weren't sitting to the right of the PM (in the direction of the Speaker). Can't see any photos showing anyone further left than Patel on the front bench
I wonder if they’ve been briefed on what Trump is going to say and they’re trying to get ahead of the curve and give the impression of control?
Surely the announcement would need to be before Trump's to give that impression?
The majority of the population are asleep right now. As long as one of the first things they read in the morning is related the government stepping up measures then they can give the impression of continued situation management.
Something happened on the way to the revolution Bernie Sanders said would take him to victory in 2020. His people didn’t show up.
That only means one thing: The ballyhooed coalition of young and non-traditional voters that Sanders said would turn out all across the country in unprecedented numbers to agitate for free college, Medicare for All, and the Green New Deal . . . didn’t.
Times tomorrow reporting all football will with immediate affect be behind closed doors
I really think that the announcement at 7pm was supposed to be this stuff, but got pulled for some reason.
Keep Sunak on front pages.
Nah its much more than that. If that was the case, they would never had briefed to the press that there was a big announcement at 7pm.
What could it be otherwise though that would change between 7pm tonight and 5pm tomorrow?
Liverpool exit the Champions league !!!!!!!
Liverpool are going to clinch the title behind closed doors!
How ironic.
They wait 30 years to win the premier league and their fans will not be there
Judging by the PSG game, the fans will just be crowding the streets outside instead... will there be police orders to prevent such public gatherings by then? Can see this getting very messy.
"A cabinet minister is self-isolating while awaiting the results of a coronavirus test.
The minister, who the BBC is not naming, was tested on Thursday after coming into contact with health minister Nadine Dorries at a recent Downing Street reception".
So who was absent from the front bench today for the budget?
Gavin Williamson? Gove? They weren't sitting to the right of the PM (in the direction of the Speaker). Can't see any photos showing anyone further left than Patel on the front bench
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
As the Americans say, the Greatest Generation got through. Are we up to it? No one under 80 basically has experienced what looks like happening.
I think we're up to it. I wish it hadn't happened to us, but yes, we are still the same people. We have the right stuff.
Some of the stories of health workers in China are truly inspiring. They will be the front line in the West as they were in the East. The best that the rest of us can do is the obvious, give them less stress, stay home, don't get ill, take your vitamins, do the right exercise, cope with the solitude.
We face a social blackout, as our forefathers faced a literal blackout. But they endured, and we will too.
What music do you think works best as a soundtrack to your posts?
(There’ll Be Blue Birds Over) The White Cliffs of Dover
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
"How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways: gradually, then suddenly." (Hemingway)
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
OK, him I expect this sort of destructive nonsense from, but you're capable of better. I'm disappointed.
Balls. Now nothing much is happening, this time in a fortnight we will be like Lombardy is now: that looks like a tipping point to me. This is actually not an existential threat like WW2 (or at all), but it has the potential to be closer to that than to the nasty bout of flu which many, against all reason, are still telling themselves to expect.
Newsnight: Professor John Ashton not massively keen on the government’s approach, to put it mildly
The problem is that if he was keen on the govts approach he probably wouldnt have got an invite to the show?
Not really, given that last night they had an expert who was supporting it.
Bloody experts. They aren't even consistent.
Well quite, hence why debate on here is welcome and the “shut up unless you are the CMO” posts are sanctimonious garbage.
But by the same logic also making the 'The government must be do action x because y said so or it is a disgrace' stuff sanctimonious garbage.
That’s not a parallel, no. You miss my point.
People should be at liberty to argue either view, citing whichever experts they like (or none).
Only ONE set of experts have the data and are modelling its spread.
It is easy to model. The government experts are working on the same figures as the rest of us. Indeed the graphs on Newsnight look identical to those in the SAGE documents, or so I am told by friends in the know.
Are only experts allowed to discuss coronavirus? Because if so there won't be many comments on a site like this. Most of us aren't experts on the subject.
I wonder if they’ve been briefed on what Trump is going to say and they’re trying to get ahead of the curve and give the impression of control?
Different places are at different stages and with different capabilities, they will act differently at different times without it being a sign of a control or a lack of control in of itself. The mood music is clearly that we're approaching a new phase in progression and response, things are shortly to get more serious it seems, and whether that response is correct may be judged on many things, but timing in response to what other places, with different situations, are doing, doesn't seem like the biggest one.
The mother-in-law lives with us. She has dementia and is very frail. We cannot isolate ourselves from her. My thought is that I should now work from home and not travel to the office in London to reduce the chances of me getting infected and passing it on to her. Is that right? After being an utter dick by going to Israel it’s time to act responsibly.
I think if you work from home and limit your trips out, combining that with careful sanitary controls when you do have to leave the house then you can be pretty confident of not bringing anything back for your Mother in Law.
For all this is a potentially terrible disease, it is avoidable fairly easily through a concerted effort not to contaminate yourself. Eadric is not going to catch this because he has a sensible level of paranoid terror. We may laugh at him on occasion but he is right that if everyone followed his example this would be a non issue. Then trouble is many people can't isolate. They do vital jobs that keep us alive and fed and safe. But like with any epidemic, you protect those who cannot protect themselves. If those of us who can work from home and avoid crowds do so then it makes it safer not just for us but for all those who have no choice but to take the risks.
I tend to regard it as a civic duty. I am helping myself at the cost of a small amount of inconvenience but more importantly I am helping everyone else by making sure I and my family can't be the ones who pas this thing on.
Something happened on the way to the revolution Bernie Sanders said would take him to victory in 2020. His people didn’t show up.
That only means one thing: The ballyhooed coalition of young and non-traditional voters that Sanders said would turn out all across the country in unprecedented numbers to agitate for free college, Medicare for All, and the Green New Deal . . . didn’t.
I am shocked that people are still shocked that those that never vote don't show up and vote.
What shocks me is not that they dont show up in sufficient numbers, but that no matter how much it happens those who were banking on it quite often continue to act as though it was kind of a victory to win large numbers of such low or often non voting people as did show up.
Pleasant nights to all - decent sleep is very useful to us all.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
"How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways: gradually, then suddenly." (Hemingway)
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
OK, him I expect this sort of destructive nonsense from, but you're capable of better. I'm disappointed.
Balls. Now nothing much is happening, this time in a fortnight we will be like Lombardy is now: that looks like a tipping point to me. This is actually not an existential threat like WW2 (or at all), but it has the potential to be closer to that than to the nasty bout of flu which many, against all reason, are still telling themselves to expect.
That's more like it. On reflection, your previous comment sounded more dramatic at first glance than I now think it actually was.
So, what does "moving to the delay stage" tomorrow mean ?
Closing schools, public events, promoting home working, and keeping your distance from each other
And washing your hands with soap and hot water for 20 seconds
Other edicts will come along no doubt
Apparently, all of things but in a minor way because, again, doing it fully would have people ‘rebelling’ against it.
Apparently behavioural science has the upper hand over anything else in government.
You really couldn’t make it up.
I think you are missing the length of time argument. It is all very well saying don't leave your house for a week or two.
You try three or four months.
If it will save lives, I’m okay with that, I can do that.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
Yes.
This is our World War 2. That much is now clear.
Life is going to be really quite a lot shittier for quite a while, maybe months, maybe years. But it is going to happen.
But what was World War 2 for the average citizen in the UK? It was a time of great inconvenience, and some fear, but for most - no more than that. They had to endure blackouts. And rationing. And boring austerity. And a lot of bombing in some cities, which was truly scary and horrific.
Thousands died..... but most didn't. Most were fine.
We will get through.
As the Americans say, the Greatest Generation got through. Are we up to it? No one under 80 basically has experienced what looks like happening.
I think we're up to it. I wish it hadn't happened to us, but yes, we are still the same people. We have the right stuff.
Some of the stories of health workers in China are truly inspiring. They will be the front line in the West as they were in the East. The best that the rest of us can do is the obvious, give them less stress, stay home, don't get ill, take your vitamins, do the right exercise, cope with the solitude.
We face a social blackout, as our forefathers faced a literal blackout. But they endured, and we will too.
What music do you think works best as a soundtrack to your posts?
(There’ll Be Blue Birds Over) The White Cliffs of Dover
Obviosuly.
Of course.
With Oti and Anton dancing to it.
Nite all. Not sure how many of you will be with us tomorrow. At least 70% I hope.
Newsnight: Professor John Ashton not massively keen on the government’s approach, to put it mildly
The problem is that if he was keen on the govts approach he probably wouldnt have got an invite to the show?
Not really, given that last night they had an expert who was supporting it.
Bloody experts. They aren't even consistent.
Well quite, hence why debate on here is welcome and the “shut up unless you are the CMO” posts are sanctimonious garbage.
But by the same logic also making the 'The government must be do action x because y said so or it is a disgrace' stuff sanctimonious garbage.
That’s not a parallel, no. You miss my point.
People should be at liberty to argue either view, citing whichever experts they like (or none).
Only ONE set of experts have the data and are modelling its spread.
It is easy to model. The government experts are working on the same figures as the rest of us. Indeed the graphs on Newsnight look identical to those in the SAGE documents, or so I am told by friends in the know.
What we don't know is how high is the peak.
Sure, it is easy to build a crappy model. It is much harder to build a good model with real predictive power.
The scientific advisors to the Government have access to much more detailed spatio-temporal data than we do.
They can model the emerging epidemic in a lot of detail. I would imagine that they have models for individual cities. based on the data in hand. They can probably estimate when Leicester will be under peak stress, which will be different to when Manchester and London will be.
And they can simulate all kinds of preventive measures, under different assumptions in the modelling.
I would like to announce that I am now heartily sick of the Bubonic Plague LARP Society / Black Death Reenactment Society that is camping the site, and would very much like to go back to arguing about Brexit constantly.
Get used to it baby. This is the only game in town for the next year.
You sound positively gleeful at the prospect. Perhaps you should reflect on why that is.
He's just being honest. You are in denial.
We expect your Normalcy Bias Breakdown in the next 2-3 days.
"How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways: gradually, then suddenly." (Hemingway)
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
Do you expect to survive?
I am under 60, and my life is such that if I self-isolated it would be like the Parker/Coolidge gag - how can they tell? So the clever money is on survival.
You?
Yep. So that's you and me. But according to you it's everyone else that should be worried?
Are we only allowed to worry about our own personal cases? I don't expect personally to be dying in hospital for want of an ICU bed. I do (quite seriously, because I read accounts of Lombardy and I see no reason for things here to go differently) expect a non-zero number of other people to be. They could quite easily be people I know, cos I know a fair few octogenarians. Even if they are complete strangers to me, i'd rather it didn't happen to them. So I am worried.
Newsnight: Professor John Ashton not massively keen on the government’s approach, to put it mildly
The problem is that if he was keen on the govts approach he probably wouldnt have got an invite to the show?
Not really, given that last night they had an expert who was supporting it.
Bloody experts. They aren't even consistent.
Well quite, hence why debate on here is welcome and the “shut up unless you are the CMO” posts are sanctimonious garbage.
But by the same logic also making the 'The government must be do action x because y said so or it is a disgrace' stuff sanctimonious garbage.
That’s not a parallel, no. You miss my point.
People should be at liberty to argue either view, citing whichever experts they like (or none).
Only ONE set of experts have the data and are modelling its spread.
It is easy to model. The government experts are working on the same figures as the rest of us. Indeed the graphs on Newsnight look identical to those in the SAGE documents, or so I am told by friends in the know.
What we don't know is how high is the peak.
Sure, it is easy to build a crappy model. It is much harder to build a good model with real predictive power.
The scientific advisors to the Government have access to much more detailed spatio-temporal data than we do.
They can model the emerging epidemic in a lot of detail. I would imagine that they have models for individual cities. based on the data in hand. They can probably estimate when Leicester will be under peak stress, which will be different to when Manchester and London will be.
And they can simulate all kinds of preventive measures, under different assumptions in the modelling.
I imagine that is underpinning their strategy.
The decisions are essentially political, and politicians are notoriously bad at science.
Again I find it quite bizarre the shock on people faces, when they say close everything. I mean it is a huge step, but I think we can all live without Starbucks or a Deliveroo takeaway for a few months.
Yes I know we still need a certain level of production of essentials. As long as food and medicine is still available, the power / water / internet works, surely we can do this.
The initial Italian decision to keep bars and restaurants open was barmy. Hopefully the UK government aren't going to repeat this.
Again I find it quite bizarre the shock on people faces, when they say close everything. I think we can all live without Starbucks or a Deliveroo takeaway for a few months.
Indeed, steer well clear of takeaways. I am increasingly unwilling to eat food prepared outside my household, or with cutlery that I didn't wash myself.
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My point is that it is worse than normal flu but how much worse? Five times? Ten times? But without the Coronavirus people still go to the GP with flu.
People need to be educated now on how a matter of days can make a difference.
Let those who don’t agree prance around and put themselves in the firing line but don’t let them drag others down with them.
You weren’t here earlier but there were several testimonies that people’s companies were waiting for government advice to move to home-working.
If your teams can work at home, then have them do so. Why wait for government advice to do so (especially since home working is a normal practice anyway)?
The home team in the second leg get an extra half an hour at home. Lets say the teams are of identical ability, and home advantage is the same for both teams... so on a neutral ground, a 30 minute match would be 50/50
If we say home advantage makes the home team 66.6/33.3 favs to win extra time, then its fair enough for away goals to count double. So whether it is fair or not depends on the difference it makes to the chances of going through that the home side in the second leg get by having an extra half an hour to play in front of their fans.
There's a balancing act.
And its difficult enough to educate people on the need to wash their hands.
People should be at liberty to argue either view, citing whichever experts they like (or none).
It is hardly Steve McQueen going into the hole with only his baseball for 3 months.
A star is born! After THAT Budget performance SIMON WALTERS asks could Rishi Sunak be Boris Johnson's successor?
Still available at 9. But DYOR
DON’T TALK ABOUT CORONAVIRUS
Normalcy bias is failing to realise that gradually turns into suddenly. We are at the tipping point.
These aren't normal times and all silly buggery like that has been suspended, well other than the press, who think doorstepping somebody with coronavirus is a good idea.
And now it has been given the go ahead, as clearly they are now leaking it out that tomorrow stuff changes.
* And clearly they don't think the most draconian things are, because they are passing a bill on Monday.
https://twitter.com/JohannaMaska/status/1237858601198170113
Sky/BT can show more than one game during 12pm and 5pm Saturday slots
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1237873160990547968/photo/1
You?
Apart from the one mate who has been on about buying a shotgun and heading to the woods for years.
They wait 30 years to win the premier league and their fans will not be there
That only means one thing: The ballyhooed coalition of young and non-traditional voters that Sanders said would turn out all across the country in unprecedented numbers to agitate for free college, Medicare for All, and the Green New Deal . . . didn’t.
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1237830166036054016
Same crap about non voters and youngsters.
Obviosuly.
What we don't know is how high is the peak.
For all this is a potentially terrible disease, it is avoidable fairly easily through a concerted effort not to contaminate yourself. Eadric is not going to catch this because he has a sensible level of paranoid terror. We may laugh at him on occasion but he is right that if everyone followed his example this would be a non issue. Then trouble is many people can't isolate. They do vital jobs that keep us alive and fed and safe. But like with any epidemic, you protect those who cannot protect themselves. If those of us who can work from home and avoid crowds do so then it makes it safer not just for us but for all those who have no choice but to take the risks.
I tend to regard it as a civic duty. I am helping myself at the cost of a small amount of inconvenience but more importantly I am helping everyone else by making sure I and my family can't be the ones who pas this thing on.
Italy 206
Norway 116
Denmark 89
Switzerland 75
Sweden 50
Spain 49
France 35
Netherlands 29
Austria 27
Belgium 27
Germany 23
Greece 10
UK 7
Portugal 6
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
We seem to have been lucky so far.
Pleasant nights to all - decent sleep is very useful to us all.
Sanders now way out compared to Clinton to be nominee.
With Oti and Anton dancing to it.
Nite all. Not sure how many of you will be with us tomorrow. At least 70% I hope.
Strange times.
The scientific advisors to the Government have access to much more detailed spatio-temporal data than we do.
They can model the emerging epidemic in a lot of detail. I would imagine that they have models for individual cities. based on the data in hand. They can probably estimate when Leicester will be under peak stress, which will be different to when Manchester and London will be.
And they can simulate all kinds of preventive measures, under different assumptions in the modelling.
I imagine that is underpinning their strategy.
"yes"
The supermarkets ?
The food factories ?
Yes I know we still need a certain level of production of essentials. As long as food and medicine is still available, the power / water / internet works, surely we can do this.
The initial Italian decision to keep bars and restaurants open was barmy. Hopefully the UK government aren't going to repeat this.