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It's a bit like the Ten Commandments. If you manage to obey nine a day you're still in with a chance.rcs1000 said:
I could have phrased myself better.YBarddCwsc said:
This is the NHS on self-isolationrcs1000 said:
It's not about complete self isolationYBarddCwsc said:Also, on self-isolation after a skiing or any other kind of holiday, is it that easy?
Suppose Our Man into Tyrol manages to return to Barnes.
First, he has to get from Heathrow/Luton/Stansted Airport to Barnes.
Second, his cupboard is bare of milk, bread and supplies. There are long delays in getting supermarkets to deliver at the moment (a week in my part of the world).
Without friendly and accommodating neighbours, then it is not going to be so easy for a returning holiday-maker to self-isolate for 2 weeks.
It's about changing the quantity of people you have physical interactions with. If you live in London, travel by tube to the office, where you spend time with a lot of people, you may be in close physical contact with 1,000 people a day.
Given the virus is currently doubling every six days, that means that it might mean that one to three of the six thousand people you have physical contact with over that period gets it.
Now, imagine you cut your physical contact down to 100 people a day. That means that instead of one to three people, it's 0.1 to 0.3 people that you pass it onto to. So long as everyone does this, then the number of new cases slows dramatically.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/
It is about complete self isolation.
I obviously take your sensible point, but the NHS advice is as I described it.
"Do not invite visitors to your home or allow visitors to enter, do not go to work, school or public areas, do not use public transport like buses, trains, tubes or taxis, do not share dishes, drinking glasses, cups, eating utensils, towels, bedding or other items with other people in your home."
It would be hard for someone returning from vacation to do that without some help.
"You don't need to have complete isolation to dramatically slow the progress of the virus. Anything which limits your interactions with others reduces the likelihood the virus will spread."0 -
Good job they have a fully functioning Govt. with a PM able to take very difficult decisions...TheScreamingEagles said:I really am stepping onto a plague island when I go to Belfast in a few days.
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1237444830252466177
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I was thinking Kale...and tastes about the same.GideonWise said:
Haha. I cook it in a similar way you would spinach.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Any decent recipes for cooking bog roll?GideonWise said:
Slightly difficult if you need food to eat.FrancisUrquhart said:Do not go en masse to stock up in supermarkets: it is the worst thing because you concentrate and the risk of contacts with infected people who do not know they are higher. You can go there as you usually do.'
Despite his warning, many Italians have done exactly that today with long queues forming outside supermarkets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8095835/Overwhelmed-Italian-hospitals-running-200-cent-capacity.html
Apparently there has also been big queues for getting refunded for ski passes in the affected areas....shakes head.
Ideally the government in Italy would have been advising them to stock up in preparation over the last few weeks.
Perhaps those hoarding bog rolls right now in this country, against government advice, are not so daft after all?0 -
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out0 -
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.0 -
We *may* be seeing the first signs of levelling off in Germany, France and even Italy.
Too early to tell.
But better than continued, out-of-control rise.
I remain optimistic.
The Far East have shown us the way.
We can beat this.0 -
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels-1 -
You sound like a geriatric Ambrose Evans Pritchard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out0 -
That CH4 interview with the Italian doctor is essential watching.0
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I'm puzzled by this. I thought the complaint was that the EU was too powerful, riding roughshod over the sovereignty of member states, which was why we had to leave. Now it seems that the complaint is that it is impotent and doesn't ride sufficiently roughshod over the sovereignty of member states.Big_G_NorthWales said:A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
I'm also puzzled as to how being in or out of the EU makes the slightest bit of difference in this particular crisis.
Confused of Sussex.2 -
I am sure that is an insult but never heard of the personGardenwalker said:
You sound like a geriatric Ambrose Evans Pritchard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out0 -
BREAKING: Rishi Sunak will promise “historic” investment in roads, railways, broadband and scientific research in his first budget, as the government tries to deliver on its promise to “level up” the UK.
Much of Sunak’s first major statement on Wednesday will be devoted to the emergency measures the Treasury will take to cushion the economic impact of the coronavirus.
But he will also seek to draw a line under a decade of Conservative austerity, by promising to boost spending on infrastructure and innovation.
“This is a budget for people right across the country – no region will be left behind,” Sunak said on Tuesday.1 -
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?3 -
Governor Cuomo has activated the New York National Guard and is using them to undertake cleaning and to enforce a one-mile "containment area" around the synagogue in New Rochelle that the first case in Westchester County attends, the synagogue appearing to be the place where wider transmission from the original family has taken place. All schools within the area are to close for two weeks as are other "large gathering places" in the area. Residents may continue to enter or leave unless specifically ordered to quarantine. Grocery stores not included in the closure order.
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2020/03/10/coronavirus-cuomo-orders-new-rochelle-containment-area/5011068002/0 -
Migrants want to come to the EU. Geographically, Greece is one of the entry points.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
The migrants camps are shameful. But, the solution -- a mechanism to assess who is eligible for refugee status and then to disperse them to all the member countries -- has proved impossible for the EU to find.
So, Greece has been left almost alone to face the crisis. The EU have given money -- but money is not really the problem. A future for the migrants is the problem.
Hence, the camps. Hence, Greece firing at migrants.
But, if the EU is to mean anything, it is to solve problems like this.0 -
rubbishydoethur said:
14 years after France, a country that now admits it had 305,000 cases of BSE, finally did - for which illegal ban it has never paid any fine.FF43 said:
Only twenty years after the EU lifted its ban. Advantages of EU membership #27873.Luckyguy1983 said:That is great news about America lifting the ban on British beef! Haggis next...
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Journalist well known for chronicling the last half dozen EU collapses which didn’t happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am sure that is an insult but never heard of the personGardenwalker said:
You sound like a geriatric Ambrose Evans Pritchard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
(Just to be clear, I do not think you geriatric at all.)0 -
Really? When did it pay the fine?Daveyboy1961 said:
rubbishydoethur said:
14 years after France, a country that now admits it had 305,000 cases of BSE, finally did - for which illegal ban it has never paid any fine.FF43 said:
Only twenty years after the EU lifted its ban. Advantages of EU membership #27873.Luckyguy1983 said:That is great news about America lifting the ban on British beef! Haggis next...
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NW Europe, mortality rate: 0.34, or 0.48 excl. Germany.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=00 -
Depends on whether you are going hard core isolation in the woods with a shotgun or whether you think you might go half-in and then get the dreaded virus.eadric said:
Me too. My big decision now is where to go, to sit this out. A friend has offered me a seaside apartment in a little Welsh village, near Cardiff. It's tempting. But the Welsh NHS is not the best.GideonWise said:
Sounds like you are well stocked. I bought a new freezer, a bread machine and about £500 of food about three weeks ago. My elderly parents did the same.Chameleon said:
When it gets bad in the UK those that have steadily bought the extra pack of things here and there will be fine. I've got a decent box of food, 10 bottles of wine, 20 pints, and 3L of spirits and mixers. Oh, and two nice bottle of Champagne, one for my birthday in April, and a second for when it's mostly over.GideonWise said:
Slightly difficult if you need food to eat.FrancisUrquhart said:Do not go en masse to stock up in supermarkets: it is the worst thing because you concentrate and the risk of contacts with infected people who do not know they are higher. You can go there as you usually do.'
Despite his warning, many Italians have done exactly that today with long queues forming outside supermarkets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8095835/Overwhelmed-Italian-hospitals-running-200-cent-capacity.html
Apparently there has also been big queues for getting refunded for ski passes in the affected areas....shakes head.
Ideally the government in Italy would have been advising them to stock up in preparation over the last few weeks.
Perhaps those hoarding bog rolls right now in this country, against government advice, are not so daft after all?
Alternatively Cornwall or Herefordshire are quite appealing.
If the latter, look at the demographics of the area and try and glean the quality of the local hospital. But avoid major cities.0 -
I am hoping this is the day that the "just a flu, lol at the bedwetters" tendency are going to shut up. The situation in Italy now is clearly, on impeccable first hand evidence, at least as bad as the most pessimistic forecasts made by anybody here, and the possibility that we are going to suffer less than Italy is negligible.FrancisUrquhart said:Coronavirus ‘worse than a bomb’ on Italy, says doctor coordinating response. Worrying saying many younger people appearing now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mrPHO-nkVE0 -
I think the point is that it reflects well on Boris - or at least not too poorly on him - if members of the club he got us to leave are having an equally bad time of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm puzzled by this. I thought the complaint was that the EU was too powerful, riding roughshod over the sovereignty of member states, which was why we had to leave. Now it seems that the complaint is that it is impotent and doesn't ride sufficiently roughshod over the sovereignty of member states.Big_G_NorthWales said:A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
I'm also puzzled as to how being in or out of the EU makes the slightest bit of difference in this particular crisis.
Confused of Sussex.0 -
Ridiculous self reassurance. This isn’t an EU UK issue it’s well beyond that. You can’t give me a single example of what they should have done if I remember correctly you were in the ‘nothing to panic about’ four weeks ago did you suggest what the EU should be doing? If the UK thinks it has had magic management powers to control this crisis it it deluded. We are all in this together.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out1 -
Re Japan and Singapore - of course new infections are rising again.
That's to be expected.
The correct response is to dramatically reduce people's contact points. That slows the virus down, and reduces the number of new infections.
But you need to loosen this at some point. So, you reduce the restrictions, and people get out more, and then the number increases again.
Once you get to a certain point, you reintroduce controls.
Each time you get a surge and then a flattening and a drop off in new cases.
You can't simply quarantine everyone until every last case is over, because that might be months, and more people would die from other things. You need to manage the outbreak, and allow the maximum number of cases to be such that the healthcare system can handle.
This means accepting waves of infected numbers increasing and then subsiding. And we will need to keep doing this until we have a vaccine or cure.0 -
The EU fans seek ever closer union which in a crisis should act as one for it's members and that is not happening. This is the flaw in the EURichard_Nabavi said:
I'm puzzled by this. I thought the complaint was that the EU was too powerful, riding roughshod over the sovereignty of member states, which was why we had to leave. Now it seems that the complaint is that it is impotent and doesn't ride sufficiently roughshod over the sovereignty of member states.Big_G_NorthWales said:A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
I'm also puzzled as to how being in or out of the EU makes the slightest bit of difference in this particular crisis.
Confused of Sussex.
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Do they have to be the same nine, or can I mix and match?Alphabet_Soup said:
It's a bit like the Ten Commandments. If you manage to obey nine a day you're still in with a chance.rcs1000 said:
I could have phrased myself better.YBarddCwsc said:
This is the NHS on self-isolationrcs1000 said:
It's not about complete self isolationYBarddCwsc said:Also, on self-isolation after a skiing or any other kind of holiday, is it that easy?
Suppose Our Man into Tyrol manages to return to Barnes.
First, he has to get from Heathrow/Luton/Stansted Airport to Barnes.
Second, his cupboard is bare of milk, bread and supplies. There are long delays in getting supermarkets to deliver at the moment (a week in my part of the world).
Without friendly and accommodating neighbours, then it is not going to be so easy for a returning holiday-maker to self-isolate for 2 weeks.
It's about changing the quantity of people you have physical interactions with. If you live in London, travel by tube to the office, where you spend time with a lot of people, you may be in close physical contact with 1,000 people a day.
Given the virus is currently doubling every six days, that means that it might mean that one to three of the six thousand people you have physical contact with over that period gets it.
Now, imagine you cut your physical contact down to 100 people a day. That means that instead of one to three people, it's 0.1 to 0.3 people that you pass it onto to. So long as everyone does this, then the number of new cases slows dramatically.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/
It is about complete self isolation.
I obviously take your sensible point, but the NHS advice is as I described it.
"Do not invite visitors to your home or allow visitors to enter, do not go to work, school or public areas, do not use public transport like buses, trains, tubes or taxis, do not share dishes, drinking glasses, cups, eating utensils, towels, bedding or other items with other people in your home."
It would be hard for someone returning from vacation to do that without some help.
"You don't need to have complete isolation to dramatically slow the progress of the virus. Anything which limits your interactions with others reduces the likelihood the virus will spread."1 -
Thanks for that explanation and kind commentNigelb said:
Journalist well known for chronicling the last half dozen EU collapses which didn’t happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am sure that is an insult but never heard of the personGardenwalker said:
You sound like a geriatric Ambrose Evans Pritchard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
(Just to be clear, I do not think you geriatric at all.)0 -
Lost in the Greek migrant shooting story is the underlying cause: Turkey has given up hope of ever getting EU membership as a quid pro quo for being Europe's bouncer, and the bribe money alone isn't enough to justify their continued employment in the role.
But of course, I'm a racist for pointing this out...2 -
Who???Gardenwalker said:
You sound like a geriatric Ambrose Evans Pritchard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out0 -
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.YBarddCwsc said:
Migrants want to come to the EU. Geographically, Greece is one of the entry points.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
The migrants camps are shameful. But, the solution -- a mechanism to assess who is eligible for refugee status and then to disperse them to all the member countries -- has proved impossible for the EU to find.
So, Greece has been left almost alone to face the crisis. The EU have given money -- but money is not really the problem. A future for the migrants is the problem.
Hence, the camps. Hence, Greece firing at migrants.
But, if the EU is to mean anything, it is to solve problems like this.0 -
I don't know why you're doing this. Is France, the very NWestern edge of the EU not NW Europe?Andy_JS said:NW Europe, mortality rate: 0.34, or 0.48 excl. Germany.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=00 -
The point is obvious.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?
Greece should not be shooting migrants to defend the EU border. The EU should deal with it0 -
She’s terrified of saying that a man shouldn’t win an Olympics event for women.SandyRentool said:
I saw this interview this morning. Lisa was very poor. The sort of wibbling nonsense I thought she was able to rise above.HYUFD said:
Alas it appears that this whole self identification issue is enough to get her tied up in knots.
Until Labour move back to planet common sense they won’t win.2 -
Which EU fans are you talking about?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU fans seek ever closer union which in a crisis should act as one for it's members and that is not happening. This is the flaw in the EURichard_Nabavi said:
I'm puzzled by this. I thought the complaint was that the EU was too powerful, riding roughshod over the sovereignty of member states, which was why we had to leave. Now it seems that the complaint is that it is impotent and doesn't ride sufficiently roughshod over the sovereignty of member states.Big_G_NorthWales said:A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
I'm also puzzled as to how being in or out of the EU makes the slightest bit of difference in this particular crisis.
Confused of Sussex.
Stop digging, you are in a rhetorical and mental hole.1 -
Turkey recenty told the migrants the border was open.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.YBarddCwsc said:
Migrants want to come to the EU. Geographically, Greece is one of the entry points.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
The migrants camps are shameful. But, the solution -- a mechanism to assess who is eligible for refugee status and then to disperse them to all the member countries -- has proved impossible for the EU to find.
So, Greece has been left almost alone to face the crisis. The EU have given money -- but money is not really the problem. A future for the migrants is the problem.
Hence, the camps. Hence, Greece firing at migrants.
But, if the EU is to mean anything, it is to solve problems like this.0 -
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
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As Nabavi, who is much kinder than me, Has pointed out, you keep contradicting yourself.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The point is obvious.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?
Greece should not be shooting migrants to defend the EU border. The EU should deal with it
We deserve better on PB.0 -
Countries yes - EU not even at the tablenichomar said:
Ridiculous self reassurance. This isn’t an EU UK issue it’s well beyond that. You can’t give me a single example of what they should have done if I remember correctly you were in the ‘nothing to panic about’ four weeks ago did you suggest what the EU should be doing? If the UK thinks it has had magic management powers to control this crisis it it deluded. We are all in this together.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out0 -
You opened this rather silly debate by stating that people would have 'a pot at' you, and you've repeated it several times to the extent that it suggests to me that was what you wanted. If someone else did the same you'd almost certainly advise them to grow up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out1 -
More to the point what should governments be doing? Any good suggestions?0
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Greece is the EU. The EU is the member countries. The EU is shooting migrants.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The point is obvious.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?
Greece should not be shooting migrants to defend the EU border. The EU should deal with it
Thank god we are out.0 -
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?0 -
I will post as I wish and will not be intimated by insultsGardenwalker said:
Which EU fans are you talking about?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU fans seek ever closer union which in a crisis should act as one for it's members and that is not happening. This is the flaw in the EURichard_Nabavi said:
I'm puzzled by this. I thought the complaint was that the EU was too powerful, riding roughshod over the sovereignty of member states, which was why we had to leave. Now it seems that the complaint is that it is impotent and doesn't ride sufficiently roughshod over the sovereignty of member states.Big_G_NorthWales said:A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
I'm also puzzled as to how being in or out of the EU makes the slightest bit of difference in this particular crisis.
Confused of Sussex.
Stop digging, you are in a rhetorical and mental hole.0 -
To be fair Mollie Sugden's been dead for a decade.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?0 -
Someone with a private education needs to identify the Latin term for the very shit logic you are displaying here.TGOHF666 said:
Greece is the EU. The EU is the member countries. The EU is shooting migrants.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The point is obvious.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?
Greece should not be shooting migrants to defend the EU border. The EU should deal with it
Thank god we are out.0 -
You have done what I said. You have abandoned Greece.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
It is not for Greece to have a plan. The migrants don't want to come to Greece. They want to come to the EU.
They are just stuck in Greece, by an accident of geography.
Go back to bragging how successful you are. We all love it when you speak highly of yourself.0 -
We’re Slocombe in on with the news in the U.K.TheScreamingEagles said:
To be fair Mollie Sugden's been dead for a decade.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?0 -
Argumentum hominem paleae.Gardenwalker said:
Someone with a private education needs to identify the Latin term for the very shit logic you are displaying here.TGOHF666 said:
Greece is the EU. The EU is the member countries. The EU is shooting migrants.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The point is obvious.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?
Greece should not be shooting migrants to defend the EU border. The EU should deal with it
Thank god we are out.0 -
look you...Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will post as I wish and will not be intimated by insultsGardenwalker said:
Which EU fans are you talking about?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU fans seek ever closer union which in a crisis should act as one for it's members and that is not happening. This is the flaw in the EURichard_Nabavi said:
I'm puzzled by this. I thought the complaint was that the EU was too powerful, riding roughshod over the sovereignty of member states, which was why we had to leave. Now it seems that the complaint is that it is impotent and doesn't ride sufficiently roughshod over the sovereignty of member states.Big_G_NorthWales said:A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
I'm also puzzled as to how being in or out of the EU makes the slightest bit of difference in this particular crisis.
Confused of Sussex.
Stop digging, you are in a rhetorical and mental hole.0 -
I don’t see how that’s really true. The most pessimistic forecasts are 60% of the country getting it and 1-2% of the country dying. It may be that they are matching pessimistic forecast for the period since their first case, but that’s not quite the same.IshmaelZ said:
I am hoping this is the day that the "just a flu, lol at the bedwetters" tendency are going to shut up. The situation in Italy now is clearly, on impeccable first hand evidence, at least as bad as the most pessimistic forecasts made by anybody hereFrancisUrquhart said:Coronavirus ‘worse than a bomb’ on Italy, says doctor coordinating response. Worrying saying many younger people appearing now.
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Not really. I just feel the EU are impotent and am very angry over Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU borderkle4 said:
You opened this rather silly debate by stating that people would have 'a pot at' you, and you've repeated it several times to the extent that it suggests to me that was what you wanted. If someone else did the same you'd almost certainly advise them to grow up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
As has happened those who are in awe of the EU hit out but I am not going to be silenced by criticism or insults0 -
Maybe we can build a fire, sing a couple of songs, huh? Why don't we try that?nichomar said:More to the point what should governments be doing? Any good suggestions?
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The migrants “don’t want to come to Greece” and yet they are. The EU are providing money but Greece prefers to shoot them in the water.YBarddCwsc said:
You have done what I said. You have abandoned Greece.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
It is not for Greece to have a plan. The migrants don't want to come to Greece. They want to come to the EU.
They are just stuck in Greece, by an accident of geography.
Go back to bragging how successful you are. We all love it when you speak highly of yourself.
I am not “abandoning” Greece.
I am merely repositioning the facts to demonstrate that contra Big G and your own contention, the EU is not the root of all evil.
The referendum is over.
You both need to move on to figuring out why Wales is one of the most impoverished regions in Western Europe.0 -
My pussy’s been coughing something chronic since we came back from Italy.ydoethur said:
We’re Slocombe in on with the news in the U.K.TheScreamingEagles said:
To be fair Mollie Sugden's been dead for a decade.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?0 -
LabourGardenwalker said:
The migrants “don’t want to come to Greece” and yet they are. The EU are providing money but Greece prefers to shoot them in the water.YBarddCwsc said:
You have done what I said. You have abandoned Greece.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
It is not for Greece to have a plan. The migrants don't want to come to Greece. They want to come to the EU.
They are just stuck in Greece, by an accident of geography.
Go back to bragging how successful you are. We all love it when you speak highly of yourself.
I am not “abandoning” Greece.
I am merely repositioning the facts to demonstrate that contra Big G and your own contention, the EU is not the root of all evil.
The referendum is over.
You both need to move on to figuring out why Wales is one of the most impoverished regions in Western Europe.0 -
Turkey recently told the migrants the border is open when it is clearly not.0
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A crisis is when people who need icu beds can’t get them, or when operating theaters are turned into icu beds and surgery for urgent cases gets postponed. We’re supposed to be an advanced civilization who can handle these issues, time the politicians stood up to the plate. It’s not % but knock on impact.alex_ said:
I don’t see how that’s really true. The most pessimistic forecasts are 60% of the country getting it and 1-2% of the country dying. It may be that they are matching pessimistic forecast for the period since their first case, but that’s not quite the same.IshmaelZ said:
I am hoping this is the day that the "just a flu, lol at the bedwetters" tendency are going to shut up. The situation in Italy now is clearly, on impeccable first hand evidence, at least as bad as the most pessimistic forecasts made by anybody hereFrancisUrquhart said:Coronavirus ‘worse than a bomb’ on Italy, says doctor coordinating response. Worrying saying many younger people appearing now.
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“Those who are in awe of the EU”Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really. I just feel the EU are impotent and am very angry over Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU borderkle4 said:
You opened this rather silly debate by stating that people would have 'a pot at' you, and you've repeated it several times to the extent that it suggests to me that was what you wanted. If someone else did the same you'd almost certainly advise them to grow up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A true union would have coordinated the response but it is impotent.nichomar said:
You have become a strange being looking for fault where it doesn’t exist attempting to justify your decision to vote Tory. The EU was never set up to manage this situation, it can’t and just shows the lies that people spread about it. As it happens every European country have, at different points, taken the same decisions as each other. There is no difference in what happens in country a or b. Even testing rates are irrelevant if you are not testing the right people. What would you have had the EU do at the outset of this crisis? Rather than taking the daily mail view on life.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
You can pop me as much as you like but the truth hurts.
The EU is heading into a real crisis and it is good we are out
As has happened those who are in awe of the EU hit out but I am not going to be silenced by criticism or insults
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Wish the UK would taser a few illegal migrants and lock them up on the Falklands for the winter before sending them home. Would be a decent deterrent.Gardenwalker said:
The migrants “don’t want to come to Greece” and yet they are. The EU are providing money but Greece prefers to shoot them in the water.YBarddCwsc said:
You have done what I said. You have abandoned Greece.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
It is not for Greece to have a plan. The migrants don't want to come to Greece. They want to come to the EU.
They are just stuck in Greece, by an accident of geography.
Go back to bragging how successful you are. We all love it when you speak highly of yourself.
I am not “abandoning” Greece.
I am merely repositioning the facts to demonstrate that contra Big G and your own contention, the EU is not the root of all evil.
The referendum is over.
You both need to move on to figuring out why Wales is one of the most impoverished regions in Western Europe.
Not surprised EU countries are shooting them - nor would I condemn them.0 -
On the medical side, continue listening to the experts.nichomar said:More to the point what should governments be doing? Any good suggestions?
On the economic side, it's more tricky. Here are some suggestions for the UK government:
- Suspend the requirement for Universal Credit claimants to search for jobs. There aren't gonna be any jobs to search for until this is over. That will help tide over those dependent on benefits, whose income is guaranteed by the state so won't be otherwise affected.
- Defer PAYE and NI payments by companies to help their cashflow, which in turn will help them continue to pay staff and avoid firms falling into insolvency.
- Extend the Employment Allowance to help with the costs of keeping staff on.
- As already discussed, pay statutory sick pay straightaway.
- Cancel business rates for the duration of the crisis.
- We also need to find a way to help gig economy workers. That's a tricky one to implement quickly, but I think it has to be some kind of emergency payment to cover lost income.
These kinds of measures will be extremely expensive, but I don't think there's much choice, and it will be expensive not to take them.2 -
Which your countrymen continue to vote for, like lemmings.Big_G_NorthWales said:
LabourGardenwalker said:
The migrants “don’t want to come to Greece” and yet they are. The EU are providing money but Greece prefers to shoot them in the water.YBarddCwsc said:
You have done what I said. You have abandoned Greece.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
It is not for Greece to have a plan. The migrants don't want to come to Greece. They want to come to the EU.
They are just stuck in Greece, by an accident of geography.
Go back to bragging how successful you are. We all love it when you speak highly of yourself.
I am not “abandoning” Greece.
I am merely repositioning the facts to demonstrate that contra Big G and your own contention, the EU is not the root of all evil.
The referendum is over.
You both need to move on to figuring out why Wales is one of the most impoverished regions in Western Europe.0 -
You would have preferred we wasted tens of billions on unneeded ICU beds over the past decades just to be ready for this? Given the finite resources available to the NHS, it is not really a surprise that they do that.nichomar said:
A crisis is when people who need icu beds can’t get them, or when operating theaters are turned into icu beds and surgery for urgent cases gets postponed. We’re supposed to be an advanced civilization who can handle these issues, time the politicians stood up to the plate. It’s not % but knock on impact.alex_ said:
I don’t see how that’s really true. The most pessimistic forecasts are 60% of the country getting it and 1-2% of the country dying. It may be that they are matching pessimistic forecast for the period since their first case, but that’s not quite the same.IshmaelZ said:
I am hoping this is the day that the "just a flu, lol at the bedwetters" tendency are going to shut up. The situation in Italy now is clearly, on impeccable first hand evidence, at least as bad as the most pessimistic forecasts made by anybody hereFrancisUrquhart said:Coronavirus ‘worse than a bomb’ on Italy, says doctor coordinating response. Worrying saying many younger people appearing now.
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Not for much longerGardenwalker said:
Which your countrymen continue to vote for, like lemmings.Big_G_NorthWales said:
LabourGardenwalker said:
The migrants “don’t want to come to Greece” and yet they are. The EU are providing money but Greece prefers to shoot them in the water.YBarddCwsc said:
You have done what I said. You have abandoned Greece.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
It is not for Greece to have a plan. The migrants don't want to come to Greece. They want to come to the EU.
They are just stuck in Greece, by an accident of geography.
Go back to bragging how successful you are. We all love it when you speak highly of yourself.
I am not “abandoning” Greece.
I am merely repositioning the facts to demonstrate that contra Big G and your own contention, the EU is not the root of all evil.
The referendum is over.
You both need to move on to figuring out why Wales is one of the most impoverished regions in Western Europe.0 -
The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?0
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Not all of Wales is impoverished. The cities in the south seem to be doing ok. The big problems are the rural counties which have lost their older industries and not replaced them with others. Tourism in Pembrokeshire hasn't been invested in anything like as much as Cornwall/Devon or even Ireland. For that I blame a moribund county council and a useless assemby government.Gardenwalker said:
The migrants “don’t want to come to Greece” and yet they are. The EU are providing money but Greece prefers to shoot them in the water.YBarddCwsc said:
You have done what I said. You have abandoned Greece.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
It is not for Greece to have a plan. The migrants don't want to come to Greece. They want to come to the EU.
They are just stuck in Greece, by an accident of geography.
Go back to bragging how successful you are. We all love it when you speak highly of yourself.
I am not “abandoning” Greece.
I am merely repositioning the facts to demonstrate that contra Big G and your own contention, the EU is not the root of all evil.
The referendum is over.
You both need to move on to figuring out why Wales is one of the most impoverished regions in Western Europe.0 -
You seem to ge unaware that Turkey is to blame for the current Greek refugeee crisis. These are people on the Turkish side of the border trying the enter Greece aided and abetted by the Turks.Gardenwalker said:The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?
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Actually casino made some suggestions that he hoped the government were already taking behind the scenes to manage this. There might be a reason why most other European countries have more icu beds per head than the UK . I’m just paranoid, no apologies just hoping the health service ‘In spain’ doesn’t break down when I need it for the first timeRobD said:
You would have preferred we wasted tens of billions on unneeded ICU beds over the past decades just to be ready for this? Given the finite resources available to the NHS, it is not really a surprise that they do that.nichomar said:
A crisis is when people who need icu beds can’t get them, or when operating theaters are turned into icu beds and surgery for urgent cases gets postponed. We’re supposed to be an advanced civilization who can handle these issues, time the politicians stood up to the plate. It’s not % but knock on impact.alex_ said:
I don’t see how that’s really true. The most pessimistic forecasts are 60% of the country getting it and 1-2% of the country dying. It may be that they are matching pessimistic forecast for the period since their first case, but that’s not quite the same.IshmaelZ said:
I am hoping this is the day that the "just a flu, lol at the bedwetters" tendency are going to shut up. The situation in Italy now is clearly, on impeccable first hand evidence, at least as bad as the most pessimistic forecasts made by anybody hereFrancisUrquhart said:Coronavirus ‘worse than a bomb’ on Italy, says doctor coordinating response. Worrying saying many younger people appearing now.
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I dunno - isn't that inevitable here? The news every day is basically a variant of the same thing: "X thousand more caught it, lots died, wash your hands." Maybe the occasional disaster porn from the latest unfortunate hotspot.Gardenwalker said:The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?
That news fatigue is going to be a real problem when they have to pull out the really big policy guns .... and we won't have many shots of those to fire.1 -
It’s gone cold.Gardenwalker said:The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?
Pause.
Ah, my coat...0 -
Turkey has been occupying northern Cyprus illegally since 1974. Cyprus is EU territory.eadric said:
You're being very hard on Greece. Look at what is actually happening.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
Erdogan the Wanker of Ankara has not only bussed thousands of migrants to the border, his police are helping the migrants as they try to break through the frontier.
And the migrants themselves are very aggressive
https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1236193616738934784?s=20
https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1236626257930043392?s=20
There are reports that Greek people in Lesbos have turned to vigilantism and are finally turning on the migrants there.
DavidL predicted this a few days ago. The combination of a deadly plague in Europe and thousands of migrants trying to break into Europe is calamitous.
Already shots have been fired and there are reports of deaths. There will be many more. I'm not sure I can blame Greece for reacting like this. What else are they meant to do?
The big risk is open war between Greece and Turkey.0 -
On BFE a postponement is already clear odds onTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Interesting short term universal income based on earnings, small business supportRichard_Nabavi said:
On the medical side, continue listening to the experts.nichomar said:More to the point what should governments be doing? Any good suggestions?
On the economic side, it's more tricky. Here are some suggestions for the UK government:
- Suspend the requirement for Universal Credit claimants to search for jobs. There aren't gonna be any jobs to search for until this is over. That will help tide over those dependent on benefits, whose income is guaranteed by the state so won't be otherwise affected.
- Defer PAYE and NI payments by companies to help their cashflow, which in turn will help them continue to pay staff and avoid firms falling into insolvency.
- Extend the Employment Allowance to help with the costs of keeping staff on.
- As already discussed, pay statutory sick pay straightaway.
- Cancel business rates for the duration of the crisis.
- We also need to find a way to help gig economy workers. That's a tricky one to implement quickly, but I think it has to be some kind of emergency payment to cover lost income.
These kinds of measures will be extremely expensive, but I don't think there's much choice, and it will be expensive not to take them.
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A tad extreme?eadric said:
It's hardly demented as a diversion. If it weren't for The Bloody Virus, the migrant crisis would likely be headline news. Bulgaria has just opened a dam to flood a river, to help Greece hold back the migrants.Gardenwalker said:The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1237437127287324672?s=20
Unfortunately corona is such a potential disaster, it overshadows even this.
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I am surprised we haven't had an outbreak in a place like Las Vegas or Macao. Cities based around casinos are massive germ factories at the best of times, think of all those chips being passed from person to person.0
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You're suggesting an EU border defence force?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The point is obvious.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?
Greece should not be shooting migrants to defend the EU border. The EU should deal with it
Look, I agree that the way the EU operates leaves Italy and Greece on the front line, with f*ck all support from the Germans and those they protect. And if I was in Italy or Greece, I'd feel pretty aggrieved by that.
But I'm struggling to think anything of the EU right now. I'm kind of distracted by other things.0 -
As far as I can see, Wales is cut in three.Daveyboy1961 said:
Not all of Wales is impoverished. The cities in the south seem to be doing ok. The big problems are the rural counties which have lost their older industries and not replaced them with others. Tourism in Pembrokeshire hasn't been invested in anything like as much as Cornwall/Devon or even Ireland. For that I blame a moribund county council and a useless assemby government.Gardenwalker said:
The migrants “don’t want to come to Greece” and yet they are. The EU are providing money but Greece prefers to shoot them in the water.YBarddCwsc said:
You have done what I said. You have abandoned Greece.Gardenwalker said:
Sure. You need a plan.YBarddCwsc said:
The problem isn't money.Gardenwalker said:
So, the EU has given money, but Greece has fucked it up, like pretty much anything they’ve had to organise.
Just like Papal Indulgences, money does not make the sin go away.
Does Greece have a plan?
It is not for Greece to have a plan. The migrants don't want to come to Greece. They want to come to the EU.
They are just stuck in Greece, by an accident of geography.
Go back to bragging how successful you are. We all love it when you speak highly of yourself.
I am not “abandoning” Greece.
I am merely repositioning the facts to demonstrate that contra Big G and your own contention, the EU is not the root of all evil.
The referendum is over.
You both need to move on to figuring out why Wales is one of the most impoverished regions in Western Europe.
The North, in large part a Liverpool exurb and more remotely a tourist report.
The Middle, a remote rural fastness.
The South, a moderately prosperous capital with a massive ex-industrial overhang in the form of some of the poorest areas in Europe (ie the Valleys).
Agriculture has always been marginal due to the hilly land. Industry is now dead, and is not coming back. There are only VERY small pockets where industries are able to compete nationally, let alone internationally.
On top of this, the dead hand of Labour (but not just Labour) have serially mismanaged social services, notably health and education, and demonstrated an absolute poverty of ambition for what Wales could be and should be.
Where is Wales’s national investment bank?
How does Cardiff University fare on international league tables, and as a research hub?
How well do Welsh students perform in maths and science?
How well do transport links facilitate Cardiff’s and Wrexham’s employee catchment areas?
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The two separate crises have the unfortunate potential for quite the interaction.eadric said:
It's hardly demented as a diversion. If it weren't for The Bloody Virus, the migrant crisis would likely be headline news. Bulgaria has just opened a dam to flood a river, to help Greece hold back the migrants.Gardenwalker said:The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1237437127287324672?s=20
Unfortunately corona is such a potential disaster, it overshadows even this.0 -
I have great respect for the Turkish people, and the few I've known have been wonderful people.
But Turkey at the moment... is not working out as well as it might. Someone needs to tell them that they are not the Ottoman Empire any more, and firmly at that. I do not see a future role for their current President either.1 -
A straw in the wind?
The Republican mayor of Sterling Heights, Michigan, a key battleground state, is voting for Joe Biden in Michigan's Democratic primary on Tuesday after supporting President Donald Trump in 2016, telling CNN that his decision is about wanting "basic human decency" in a president.0 -
How many of the refugees are Iranian?GideonWise said:
The two separate crises have the unfortunate potential for quite the interaction.eadric said:
It's hardly demented as a diversion. If it weren't for The Bloody Virus, the migrant crisis would likely be headline news. Bulgaria has just opened a dam to flood a river, to help Greece hold back the migrants.Gardenwalker said:The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1237437127287324672?s=20
Unfortunately corona is such a potential disaster, it overshadows even this.0 -
It was the body of a young child brought ashore that really upset my wife and Ircs1000 said:
You're suggesting an EU border defence force?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The point is obvious.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?
Greece should not be shooting migrants to defend the EU border. The EU should deal with it
Look, I agree that the way the EU operates leaves Italy and Greece on the front line, with f*ck all support from the Germans and those they protect. And if I was in Italy or Greece, I'd feel pretty aggrieved by that.
But I'm struggling to think anything of the EU right now. I'm kind of distracted by other things.
The EU, Greece and others have to stop shooting migrants
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Wow. EU is to provide £21.5 billion of funding to tackle the virus.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/10/coronavirus-update-latest-italy-shutdown-lockdown-who-pandemic-outbreak-quarantine-uk-cases-usa-america-australia-live-news-updates?page=with:block-5e67ea108f08c2df6d276fae#block-5e67ea108f08c2df6d276fae1 -
I think it's very creative.RobD said:
A tad extreme?eadric said:
It's hardly demented as a diversion. If it weren't for The Bloody Virus, the migrant crisis would likely be headline news. Bulgaria has just opened a dam to flood a river, to help Greece hold back the migrants.Gardenwalker said:The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1237437127287324672?s=20
Unfortunately corona is such a potential disaster, it overshadows even this.0 -
Those were worst case final outcome figures, and we are a bit away from a final outcome. I was talking about qualitative judgments about the depth of the crisis we are now in.alex_ said:
I don’t see how that’s really true. The most pessimistic forecasts are 60% of the country getting it and 1-2% of the country dying. It may be that they are matching pessimistic forecast for the period since their first case, but that’s not quite the same.IshmaelZ said:
I am hoping this is the day that the "just a flu, lol at the bedwetters" tendency are going to shut up. The situation in Italy now is clearly, on impeccable first hand evidence, at least as bad as the most pessimistic forecasts made by anybody hereFrancisUrquhart said:Coronavirus ‘worse than a bomb’ on Italy, says doctor coordinating response. Worrying saying many younger people appearing now.
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Turkey is helping the migrants breach the Greek border.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was the body of a young child brought ashore that really upset my wife and Ircs1000 said:
You're suggesting an EU border defence force?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The point is obvious.Gardenwalker said:
To the extent that Greece are shooting migrants, I condemn it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I said some would have a pop at me but it has shown the EU as useless at times like thisGardenwalker said:
Have you been reading too much Daily Mail again?Big_G_NorthWales said:
They claim ever closer union and it has been shown that it is a shamnichomar said:
No it’s not it is just showing that we weren’t in a superstate that’s controlled our lives, countries are free to make their own Decisions. What on earth did you expect the EU to do in the current circumstances?Big_G_NorthWales said:Covid 19 has demonstrated the impotence of the EU for all to see
When a country comes under an existential threat, the politicians of that country will act in that country's interest in defiance of anything the EU may demand
Furthermore, the countries are more nimble than a juggernaut like the EU
I know I will get EU supporters having a pop at me but it isthere for all to see.
The Greeks opening fire on migrants on behalf of the EU to protect it's borders is shameful
Pathetic attempt to find a reason - any reason - to moan about the EU.
We left, you lost (you voted Remain), get over it.
And I do not hear you condemning Greece shooting migrants to protect the EU border and no condemnation from Brussels
I also haven’t heard the Uk condemn it.
Or the Chinese Politburo.
Or Vodafone’s Marketing Department.
Or Mollie Sugden.
What the hell is your point?
Greece should not be shooting migrants to defend the EU border. The EU should deal with it
Look, I agree that the way the EU operates leaves Italy and Greece on the front line, with f*ck all support from the Germans and those they protect. And if I was in Italy or Greece, I'd feel pretty aggrieved by that.
But I'm struggling to think anything of the EU right now. I'm kind of distracted by other things.
The EU, Greece and others have to stop shooting migrants
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I was thinking the same thing.FrancisUrquhart said:I am surprised we haven't had an outbreak in a place like Las Vegas or Macao. Cities based around casinos are massive germ factories at the best of times, think of all those chips being passed from person to person.
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That's great news, and the sort of thing the EU should be doing for its members.Stark_Dawning said:Wow. EU is to provide £21.5 billion of funding to tackle the virus.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/10/coronavirus-update-latest-italy-shutdown-lockdown-who-pandemic-outbreak-quarantine-uk-cases-usa-america-australia-live-news-updates?page=with:block-5e67ea108f08c2df6d276fae#block-5e67ea108f08c2df6d276fae0 -
Well exactly, third world countries have even bigger problems from covid they unfortunately don’t know it yetSunil_Prasannan said:
How many of the refugees are Iranian?GideonWise said:
The two separate crises have the unfortunate potential for quite the interaction.eadric said:
It's hardly demented as a diversion. If it weren't for The Bloody Virus, the migrant crisis would likely be headline news. Bulgaria has just opened a dam to flood a river, to help Greece hold back the migrants.Gardenwalker said:The diversion - demented as it is - on to Greek refugee issues - shows at least that coronavirus may be moving down the news?
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1237437127287324672?s=20
Unfortunately corona is such a potential disaster, it overshadows even this.0 -
Just imagine how much they would have been able to provide if they weren't impotent.Stark_Dawning said:Wow. EU is to provide £21.5 billion of funding to tackle the virus.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/10/coronavirus-update-latest-italy-shutdown-lockdown-who-pandemic-outbreak-quarantine-uk-cases-usa-america-australia-live-news-updates?page=with:block-5e67ea108f08c2df6d276fae#block-5e67ea108f08c2df6d276fae1 -
Anabobazina is a vegan, he probably has several.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Any decent recipes for cooking bog roll?GideonWise said:
Slightly difficult if you need food to eat.FrancisUrquhart said:Do not go en masse to stock up in supermarkets: it is the worst thing because you concentrate and the risk of contacts with infected people who do not know they are higher. You can go there as you usually do.'
Despite his warning, many Italians have done exactly that today with long queues forming outside supermarkets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8095835/Overwhelmed-Italian-hospitals-running-200-cent-capacity.html
Apparently there has also been big queues for getting refunded for ski passes in the affected areas....shakes head.
Ideally the government in Italy would have been advising them to stock up in preparation over the last few weeks.
Perhaps those hoarding bog rolls right now in this country, against government advice, are not so daft after all?0 -
Macau has 10 casesFrancisUrquhart said:I am surprised we haven't had an outbreak in a place like Las Vegas or Macao. Cities based around casinos are massive germ factories at the best of times, think of all those chips being passed from person to person.
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But can he cope with the taste explosion?Luckyguy1983 said:
Anabobazina is a vegan, he probably has several.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Any decent recipes for cooking bog roll?GideonWise said:
Slightly difficult if you need food to eat.FrancisUrquhart said:Do not go en masse to stock up in supermarkets: it is the worst thing because you concentrate and the risk of contacts with infected people who do not know they are higher. You can go there as you usually do.'
Despite his warning, many Italians have done exactly that today with long queues forming outside supermarkets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8095835/Overwhelmed-Italian-hospitals-running-200-cent-capacity.html
Apparently there has also been big queues for getting refunded for ski passes in the affected areas....shakes head.
Ideally the government in Italy would have been advising them to stock up in preparation over the last few weeks.
Perhaps those hoarding bog rolls right now in this country, against government advice, are not so daft after all?1 -
Budleigh Salterton. A village on the coast and out of the wasy It's on the coast so there there are less directions of "attack" for the virus, but it is easy to get to the large and good hospital: The Royal Devon and Exeter.GideonWise said:
Depends on whether you are going hard core isolation in the woods with a shotgun or whether you think you might go half-in and then get the dreaded virus.eadric said:
Me too. My big decision now is where to go, to sit this out. A friend has offered me a seaside apartment in a little Welsh village, near Cardiff. It's tempting. But the Welsh NHS is not the best.GideonWise said:
Sounds like you are well stocked. I bought a new freezer, a bread machine and about £500 of food about three weeks ago. My elderly parents did the same.Chameleon said:
When it gets bad in the UK those that have steadily bought the extra pack of things here and there will be fine. I've got a decent box of food, 10 bottles of wine, 20 pints, and 3L of spirits and mixers. Oh, and two nice bottle of Champagne, one for my birthday in April, and a second for when it's mostly over.GideonWise said:
Slightly difficult if you need food to eat.FrancisUrquhart said:Do not go en masse to stock up in supermarkets: it is the worst thing because you concentrate and the risk of contacts with infected people who do not know they are higher. You can go there as you usually do.'
Despite his warning, many Italians have done exactly that today with long queues forming outside supermarkets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8095835/Overwhelmed-Italian-hospitals-running-200-cent-capacity.html
Apparently there has also been big queues for getting refunded for ski passes in the affected areas....shakes head.
Ideally the government in Italy would have been advising them to stock up in preparation over the last few weeks.
Perhaps those hoarding bog rolls right now in this country, against government advice, are not so daft after all?
Alternatively Cornwall or Herefordshire are quite appealing.
If the latter, look at the demographics of the area and try and glean the quality of the local hospital. But avoid major cities.0 -
Vegas has exported more cases than they apparently have I believe.rcs1000 said:
I was thinking the same thing.FrancisUrquhart said:I am surprised we haven't had an outbreak in a place like Las Vegas or Macao. Cities based around casinos are massive germ factories at the best of times, think of all those chips being passed from person to person.
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The slots are also a big risk, unless they are disinfecting them regularlyrcs1000 said:
I was thinking the same thing.FrancisUrquhart said:I am surprised we haven't had an outbreak in a place like Las Vegas or Macao. Cities based around casinos are massive germ factories at the best of times, think of all those chips being passed from person to person.
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Just up the road from the UK’s only real cluster?eristdoof said:
Budleigh Salterton. A village on the coast and out of the wasy It's on the coast so there there are less directions of "attack" for the virus, but it is easy to get to the large and good hospital: The Royal Devon and Exeter.GideonWise said:
Depends on whether you are going hard core isolation in the woods with a shotgun or whether you think you might go half-in and then get the dreaded virus.eadric said:
Me too. My big decision now is where to go, to sit this out. A friend has offered me a seaside apartment in a little Welsh village, near Cardiff. It's tempting. But the Welsh NHS is not the best.GideonWise said:
Sounds like you are well stocked. I bought a new freezer, a bread machine and about £500 of food about three weeks ago. My elderly parents did the same.Chameleon said:
When it gets bad in the UK those that have steadily bought the extra pack of things here and there will be fine. I've got a decent box of food, 10 bottles of wine, 20 pints, and 3L of spirits and mixers. Oh, and two nice bottle of Champagne, one for my birthday in April, and a second for when it's mostly over.GideonWise said:
Slightly difficult if you need food to eat.FrancisUrquhart said:Do not go en masse to stock up in supermarkets: it is the worst thing because you concentrate and the risk of contacts with infected people who do not know they are higher. You can go there as you usually do.'
Despite his warning, many Italians have done exactly that today with long queues forming outside supermarkets.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8095835/Overwhelmed-Italian-hospitals-running-200-cent-capacity.html
Apparently there has also been big queues for getting refunded for ski passes in the affected areas....shakes head.
Ideally the government in Italy would have been advising them to stock up in preparation over the last few weeks.
Perhaps those hoarding bog rolls right now in this country, against government advice, are not so daft after all?
Alternatively Cornwall or Herefordshire are quite appealing.
If the latter, look at the demographics of the area and try and glean the quality of the local hospital. But avoid major cities.0 -
Wales is poor because it is run for England's benefit. It is poor for the same reasons that the Belgian Congo was poor.Gardenwalker said:
You both need to move on to figuring out why Wales is one of the most impoverished regions in Western Europe.
It is a colony of England. Its masters extract the wealth, and take it to England. Its resources are stolen by English companies.
England dumps rubbish in Wales. From the radioactive mud dumped in Cardiff Bay, to English fascists like Nick Griffin, to serial offenders and problem families dumped by Birmingham or Liverpool Council in cheap Welsh social housing.
England created a sham administration in Cardiff Bay. In Labour's ramshackle government, truth is whatever the third sector or the lobbyists decide best serves the interests of the Labour placemen. It is a cess-pit of corruption and treachery.
Wales is a retirement and recreation area for England, a dumping ground for England’s problems. And the idiotic Welsh Labour Government provides a pot of gold for every English crook and shyster looking to make easy money.
Wales need to look to Scotland, where they kicked out their Labour stooge government that ran the country in English interests.
Wales need to look to Ireland -- a confident country about to be reunited.
There can be a better future for Wales.1
