Mr. Observer, bacon butties are delightful (with tomato sauce, of course).
I don't really have breakfast, beyond a chocolate bar. I was amused to discover, upon reading Ian Mortimer's Time Traveller's Guide to Medieval England, that my earlier than usual lunchtime (11am) is in keeping with medieval customs.
Ed Miliband doesn’t think bacon butties are delightful.
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
I am increasingly of the view that bacon is only good between heavily buttered slices of bread. On a breakfast plate it is perennially disappointing.
You could burn it, American style? I got quite fond of their crispy bacon on my trip.
If you ever stop to think how many rashers one typically gets in America it would scare the living daylights out of you.
Once, in Kentucky, I asked as a first course for potato skins. There were 18 half potatoes. Not the skins the whole thing. Nine potatoes, covered in loveliness, as a first course.
No Mac & Cheese as a side dish?
When I first stopped working mornings, I got in the habit of a cooked breakfast, as a great way to start the day. Six months later I had my cholesterol tested as part of my annual check up and it had shot up from below to well above average. Doctor was insistent that the breakfasts had to stop, sadly, so now it's an occasional treat.
Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
If they are essential in a 'full English' then I've never had one. Can't stand tomatoes as tomatoes, although I'll eat them in sauces and soup. Don't like beans for breakfast either; egg yolk and been sauce is revolting. Prefer a 'full Welsh"; bacon, sausage, egg(s) and fried laverbread and oatmeal,
Mr. Observer, bacon butties are delightful (with tomato sauce, of course).
I don't really have breakfast, beyond a chocolate bar. I was amused to discover, upon reading Ian Mortimer's Time Traveller's Guide to Medieval England, that my earlier than usual lunchtime (11am) is in keeping with medieval customs.
Ed Miliband doesn’t think bacon butties are delightful.
It really would be bad luck if he actually does like them and eats them often.
Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
If they are essential in a 'full English' then I've never had one. Can't stand tomatoes as tomatoes, although I'll eat them in sauces and soup. Don't like beans for breakfast either; egg yolk and been sauce is revolting. Prefer a 'full Welsh"; bacon, sausage, egg(s) and fried laverbread and oatmeal,
But I very, very rarely have it.
They are necessary but, and I haven't seen the stats on this, I'm guessing they are over 80% of the time left uneaten.
Mr. Observer, bacon butties are delightful (with tomato sauce, of course).
I don't really have breakfast, beyond a chocolate bar. I was amused to discover, upon reading Ian Mortimer's Time Traveller's Guide to Medieval England, that my earlier than usual lunchtime (11am) is in keeping with medieval customs.
Ed Miliband doesn’t think bacon butties are delightful.
It really would be bad luck if he actually does like them and eats them often.
He talks about them sometimes on his "Reasons to be Cheerful" podcast. It's a good, if sometimes off the wall, listen.
I am increasingly of the view that bacon is only good between heavily buttered slices of bread. On a breakfast plate it is perennially disappointing.
Good quality bacon is wonderful, whether on a plate or in a sandwich. Poor quality bacon - is always disappointing. Tesco have gone downhill in this respect recently. Their tatse the difference smoke back is now no better than bog standard.
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
It's just that it's illogical.
Bro-in-law sold his car to buy his fiancee her ring. She had a car, so they weren't without transport.
BTW has anyone suggested that we might be slightly better prepared as a country because of no deal planning done over the last 18 months...
Why do people stockpile toilet paper? Is its supply chain particularly vulnerable or is it just a cliche?
There are those old enough to remember the toilet paper shortage of in the early 70s. This was around the time of the winter if discontent and suddenly toilet paper just disappeared and it rook weeks for it to return.
The winter of discontent was 1978-79 not early seventies. I'm guessing it was not that wiinter which had the "great toilet paper shortage". I was 10 then, the ideal age to find everything to do with urinating/defecating unbelievably hilarious, and I have no memeory of it at all.
I remember well the early 70s power cuts (and even the (pointless) sugar hoarding. I too have no recollection of the great toilet paper disappearance.
I’ve never had a breakfast with baked beans on it, can it be ‘full’ without them? In the past I’ve had Sausage, Bacon Egg, mushrooms and toast if that counts. I don’t really eat red meat now so it was all a long time ago
Have you got something against baked beans?
Culinary tip: don`t just open the can and heat them for five minutes - try really cooking them - I mean on the hob with some black pepper, on the lowest heat for a good 30 mins, stirring occasionally. They go all claggy and it brings out the sweetness.Yum.
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
It's just that it's illogical.
Even if you don't have a ton of money, so long as you're not getting into debt to do so, saving on other costs then investing in one good ring makes more sense than multiple frivolous purchases.
As for whether I can tell the difference between stones I'll be honest I'm not that fussed. But my wife is and I want her to be happy. My wife thinks its illogical I argue about politics with strangers on the internet so who am I to argue?
There might be a touch of value backing Biden ( 4.7 ) in the presidential market, his implied price is 2.3 which looks too long. Sanders implied price is 2.4 which is probably fair.
I expect Biden will get a boost in the next batch of H2H polling vs Trump.
I agree. Biden's implied price in the presidential market should be sub 2.
Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
If they are essential in a 'full English' then I've never had one. Can't stand tomatoes as tomatoes, although I'll eat them in sauces and soup. Don't like beans for breakfast either; egg yolk and been sauce is revolting. Prefer a 'full Welsh"; bacon, sausage, egg(s) and fried laverbread and oatmeal,
But I very, very rarely have it.
They are necessary but, and I haven't seen the stats on this, I'm guessing they are over 80% of the time left uneaten.
Tomatoes and egg-yolk (it's mandatory that they are runny) are essential in that they provide moisture in an otherwise dry breakfast. One might conjecture that the increasing prevalence on baked beans is a direct result of tomatophobes like yourself seeking a moist replacement. #science
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
Because there's a bunch of people in the media who think that patriotism (except towards the EU) should be illegal, and that anyone waving a Union flag is an evil member of the BNP?
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
It's spectacularly pathetic jingoism. Order an Irish Breakfast in Dublin (and in the EU - horrors!) and you get exactly the same thing.
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
Well, I guess it`s divisive in that it contrasts proper patriots with their mug of tea and fry-up with brown sauce with the metropolitan elite (such as kinabalu) with their fucking lattes, hash browns with two types of soy sauce and Benn Act.
Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
If they are essential in a 'full English' then I've never had one. Can't stand tomatoes as tomatoes, although I'll eat them in sauces and soup. Don't like beans for breakfast either; egg yolk and been sauce is revolting. Prefer a 'full Welsh"; bacon, sausage, egg(s) and fried laverbread and oatmeal,
But I very, very rarely have it.
They are necessary but, and I haven't seen the stats on this, I'm guessing they are over 80% of the time left uneaten.
Tomatoes and egg-yolk (it's mandatory that they are runny) are essential in that they provide moisture in an otherwise dry breakfast. One might conjecture that the increasing prevalence on baked beans is a direct result of tomatophobes like yourself seeking a moist replacement. #science
Totally with you on the egg yolk. I find something jarring perhaps too sweet (or acidic?) about the tomatoes.
Then again there is no full English that can't be improved with marmalade.
I’ve never had a breakfast with baked beans on it, can it be ‘full’ without them? In the past I’ve had Sausage, Bacon Egg, mushrooms and toast if that counts. I don’t really eat red meat now so it was all a long time ago
Have you got something against baked beans?
Culinary tip: don`t just open the can and heat them for five minutes - try really cooking them - I mean on the hob with some black pepper, on the lowest heat for a good 30 mins, stirring occasionally. They go all claggy and it brings out the sweetness.Yum.
@HYUFD - The bigger story there is that the local elections may be delayed.
The Beeb have a story about Labour expecting a thrashing at the locals. They may be glad of a delay and a chance for a change of narrative.
Expectation management?
"In a worst-case scenario, Labour risks losing 315 seats and control of historic strongholds such as Sheffield."
"The document suggests that the situation could be even worse as the party's polling hasn't taken into account the recent Conservative poll "bounce" but it adds that it can not yet estimate the effect of a change of leadership on the election results. "
BTW has anyone suggested that we might be slightly better prepared as a country because of no deal planning done over the last 18 months...
Why do people stockpile toilet paper? Is its supply chain particularly vulnerable or is it just a cliche?
There are those old enough to remember the toilet paper shortage of in the early 70s. This was around the time of the winter if discontent and suddenly toilet paper just disappeared and it rook weeks for it to return.
The winter of discontent was 1978-79 not early seventies. I'm guessing it was not that wiinter which had the "great toilet paper shortage". I was 10 then, the ideal age to find everything to do with urinating/defecating unbelievably hilarious, and I have no memeory of it at all.
I remember well the early 70s power cuts (and even the (pointless) sugar hoarding. I too have no recollection of the great toilet paper disappearance.
Was it localised ?
I was running a pharmacy in Essex the 70's. We sold toilet rolls and I have no memory whatsoever of a shortage. Nor, TBH, of anything else. IIRC, too, power cuts were in the winter of 73-4, when Heath was having his punch-up with the miners. All sorted out when Wilson came back in Feb. 74
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
It's spectacularly pathetic jingoism.
What's wrong with that?
Moderate patriotism is not a bad thing, extreme versions like jingoism can be though. I'd rather pathetic jingoism than extreme jingoism. All things in moderation as the saying goes.
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
It's just that it's illogical.
Even if you don't have a ton of money, so long as you're not getting into debt to do so, saving on other costs then investing in one good ring makes more sense than multiple frivolous purchases.
As for whether I can tell the difference between stones I'll be honest I'm not that fussed. But my wife is and I want her to be happy. My wife thinks its illogical I argue about politics with strangers on the internet so who am I to argue?
As I said, it is a marketing triumph; the diamond industry has played a blinder. Normal and sensible people, despite it being hugely illogical, think that they "need" a diamond.
Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
If they are essential in a 'full English' then I've never had one. Can't stand tomatoes as tomatoes, although I'll eat them in sauces and soup. Don't like beans for breakfast either; egg yolk and been sauce is revolting. Prefer a 'full Welsh"; bacon, sausage, egg(s) and fried laverbread and oatmeal,
But I very, very rarely have it.
They are necessary but, and I haven't seen the stats on this, I'm guessing they are over 80% of the time left uneaten.
Tomatoes and egg-yolk (it's mandatory that they are runny) are essential in that they provide moisture in an otherwise dry breakfast. One might conjecture that the increasing prevalence on baked beans is a direct result of tomatophobes like yourself seeking a moist replacement. #science
Totally with you on the egg yolk. I find something jarring perhaps too sweet (or acidic?) about the tomatoes.
Then again there is no full English that can't be improved with marmalade.
I've had manx kippers served with jam on the Isle of Man. That was an odd combo.
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
Well, I guess it`s divisive in that it contrasts proper patriots with their mug of tea and fry-up with brown sauce with the metropolitan elite (such as kinabalu) with their fucking lattes, hash browns with two types of soy sauce and Benn Act.
What if I like a latte and HP sauce with my full English breakfast?
Just to throw another factor under the grill, pigs are some of the worst kept animals in Europe. Particularly in Denmark.
They're also some of the tastiest though.
I know and when I was vegetarian it was a bacon butty that sank me.
However, animal welfare is really important and there are massive issues surrounding the way pigs are treated especially, as I say, on the Continent. They deserve better.
p.s. if this provokes McAngry into a 'snowflake' jibe, forget it.
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
It's spectacularly pathetic jingoism. Order an Irish Breakfast in Dublin (and in the EU - horrors!) and you get exactly the same thing.
No they have those potato scone things and sometimes the cabbage mash thing - Kilcannon.
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
It's just that it's illogical.
Even if you don't have a ton of money, so long as you're not getting into debt to do so, saving on other costs then investing in one good ring makes more sense than multiple frivolous purchases.
As for whether I can tell the difference between stones I'll be honest I'm not that fussed. But my wife is and I want her to be happy. My wife thinks its illogical I argue about politics with strangers on the internet so who am I to argue?
As I said, it is a marketing triumph; the diamond industry has played a blinder. Normal and sensible people, despite it being hugely illogical, think that they "need" a diamond.
I don't think I "need" a diamond. I think my wife wants one and I'm willing and able to get her one because it would make her happy and both romantically and analytically it makes sense to get her one.
Just as I don't "need" a Playstation 4. But my wife was willing and able to get me one, as she knew it would make me happy.
@HYUFD - The bigger story there is that the local elections may be delayed.
The Beeb have a story about Labour expecting a thrashing at the locals. They may be glad of a delay and a chance for a change of narrative.
Expectation management?
"In a worst-case scenario, Labour risks losing 315 seats and control of historic strongholds such as Sheffield."
"The document suggests that the situation could be even worse as the party's polling hasn't taken into account the recent Conservative poll "bounce" but it adds that it can not yet estimate the effect of a change of leadership on the election results. "
Sounds very much like expectations management. Assuming KS wins the leadership race, he's going to have a honeymoon bump in the polls as people think a lot more of him than they do of the previous leader. Most of the seats up in May were last contested in 2017, at the height of Theresa May's popularity just before the general election.
I’ve never had a breakfast with baked beans on it, can it be ‘full’ without them? In the past I’ve had Sausage, Bacon Egg, mushrooms and toast if that counts. I don’t really eat red meat now so it was all a long time ago
Have you got something against baked beans?
Culinary tip: don`t just open the can and heat them for five minutes - try really cooking them - I mean on the hob with some black pepper, on the lowest heat for a good 30 mins, stirring occasionally. They go all claggy and it brings out the sweetness.Yum.
Claggy (and it's cousin clarty) are sadly under-appreciated words.
Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
If they are essential in a 'full English' then I've never had one. Can't stand tomatoes as tomatoes, although I'll eat them in sauces and soup. Don't like beans for breakfast either; egg yolk and been sauce is revolting. Prefer a 'full Welsh"; bacon, sausage, egg(s) and fried laverbread and oatmeal,
But I very, very rarely have it.
They are necessary but, and I haven't seen the stats on this, I'm guessing they are over 80% of the time left uneaten.
Tomatoes and egg-yolk (it's mandatory that they are runny) are essential in that they provide moisture in an otherwise dry breakfast. One might conjecture that the increasing prevalence on baked beans is a direct result of tomatophobes like yourself seeking a moist replacement. #science
Totally with you on the egg yolk. I find something jarring perhaps too sweet (or acidic?) about the tomatoes.
Then again there is no full English that can't be improved with marmalade.
I feel about marmalade as I do about tomatoes. Other may well enjoy; I just don't.
My mother made marmalade every September, and although I wanted to like it, I just couldn't.
I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?
I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
What irks people (and "irk" is, I think, the mot juste) is the completely brainless pandering to all of the typical Telegraph readers' worst instincts. It's the "Two World Wars and One World Cup" school of Brexit.
Of course, it's best ignored, like most of the Telegraph's output.
It’s probably just a joke, to make their readers smile while hoping some lefties get wound up by it
Why read a paper if you’re closed minded enough to know before you do so it’s going to make you angry? You’re just going to repeat the same prejudices on a daily basis and end up like @vonPyotr on Twitter! Better to accept that you disagree, and view it as a window into a worldview you don’t share
Just to throw another factor under the grill, pigs are some of the worst kept animals in Europe. Particularly in Denmark.
They're also some of the tastiest though.
I know and when I was vegetarian it was a bacon butty that sank me.
However, animal welfare is really important and there are massive issues surrounding the way pigs are treated especially, as I say, on the Continent. They deserve better.
p.s. if this provokes McAngry into a 'snowflake' jibe, forget it.
Not sure who you're referring to as McAngry, I don't use that jibe so guessing not me.
To each their own. I respect people who are vegetarian because they want to be and keep it to themselves. I don't respect people who are vegetarian and expect others to be and preach to others - just as I don't respect preachy religions etc
If you care about animal welfare look for the Red Tractor mark on your meat. If its got the Red Tractor you know it has good animal welfare and that will include pork.
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
It's spectacularly pathetic jingoism. Order an Irish Breakfast in Dublin (and in the EU - horrors!) and you get exactly the same thing.
No they have those potato scone things and sometimes the cabbage mash thing - Kilcannon.
Plus the accompanying pint is Guinness not IPA...
The scones and colcannon are very tasty. Especially the scone. When I were a lad, we used to have the remainder of last night's mashed potatoes fried for breakfast.
One thing that I find genuinely worrying is the prevalence of those on here who seem to prefer brown to red sauce.
Not that you would approve. But I have an excellent recipe for brown sauce that is so good you never want anything else. It’s in a book by Kylee Newton, that also has loads of good chutney and jam recipes.
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
It's just that it's illogical.
Even if you don't have a ton of money, so long as you're not getting into debt to do so, saving on other costs then investing in one good ring makes more sense than multiple frivolous purchases.
As for whether I can tell the difference between stones I'll be honest I'm not that fussed. But my wife is and I want her to be happy. My wife thinks its illogical I argue about politics with strangers on the internet so who am I to argue?
As I said, it is a marketing triumph; the diamond industry has played a blinder. Normal and sensible people, despite it being hugely illogical, think that they "need" a diamond.
I don't think I "need" a diamond. I think my wife wants one and I'm willing and able to get her one because it would make her happy and both romantically and analytically it makes sense to get her one.
Just as I don't "need" a Playstation 4. But my wife was willing and able to get me one, as she knew it would make me happy.
There's a difference. If you could have a different make of game that allowed you to do all the things on a PlayStation I'm assuming you would be happy with it.
The point being your PlayStation has a function.
A diamond is only valuable because enough people have been convinced that it is somehow an important element of a relationship. It is a signifier only. And the diamond industry has done brilliantly by creating such a fiction.
But as we both agree it harms no one and brings pleasure so all is good.
Just to throw another factor under the grill, pigs are some of the worst kept animals in Europe. Particularly in Denmark.
They're also some of the tastiest though.
I know and when I was vegetarian it was a bacon butty that sank me.
However, animal welfare is really important and there are massive issues surrounding the way pigs are treated especially, as I say, on the Continent. They deserve better.
p.s. if this provokes McAngry into a 'snowflake' jibe, forget it.
Not sure who you're referring to as McAngry, I don't use that jibe so guessing not me.
To each their own. I respect people who are vegetarian because they want to be and keep it to themselves. I don't respect people who are vegetarian and expect others to be and preach to others - just as I don't respect preachy religions etc
If you care about animal welfare look for the Red Tractor mark on your meat. If its got the Red Tractor you know it has good animal welfare and that will include pork.
Boris Presser with Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Officer today
It is less fun if Boris has stopped dressing up as the groups he is meeting, like in the election. Shirtsleeves rolled up for the doctor and safety specs for the scientist, perhaps.
Just to throw another factor under the grill, pigs are some of the worst kept animals in Europe. Particularly in Denmark.
They're also some of the tastiest though.
I know and when I was vegetarian it was a bacon butty that sank me.
However, animal welfare is really important and there are massive issues surrounding the way pigs are treated especially, as I say, on the Continent. They deserve better.
p.s. if this provokes McAngry into a 'snowflake' jibe, forget it.
Not sure who you're referring to as McAngry, I don't use that jibe so guessing not me.
To each their own. I respect people who are vegetarian because they want to be and keep it to themselves. I don't respect people who are vegetarian and expect others to be and preach to others - just as I don't respect preachy religions etc
If you care about animal welfare look for the Red Tractor mark on your meat. If its got the Red Tractor you know it has good animal welfare and that will include pork.
Well, I guess it`s divisive in that it contrasts proper patriots with their mug of tea and fry-up with brown sauce with the metropolitan elite (such as kinabalu) with their fucking lattes, hash browns with two types of soy sauce and Benn Act.
Flat white is my hot beverage of choice.
And I HATED the Benn Act. It gifted the GE to the forces of regression and darkness.
One thing that I find genuinely worrying is the prevalence of those on here who seem to prefer brown to red sauce.
Not that you would approve. But I have an excellent recipe for brown sauce that is so good you never want anything else. It’s in a book by Kylee Newton, that also has loads of good chutney and jam recipes.
Perhaps I am being overly closed minded. Perhaps it is nicer than I am making out. I might try it next bacon butty time, but what a cost if I was right.
Boris Presser with Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Officer today
It is less fun if Boris has stopped dressing up as the groups he is meeting, like in the election. Shirtsleeves rolled up for the doctor and safety specs for the scientist, perhaps.
You just reminded me of that presser he did with all the police cadets. That really was weird. It would be amusing if there were a bunch of undergraduates there this time holding their Bunsen burners
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
Well, I guess it`s divisive in that it contrasts proper patriots with their mug of tea and fry-up with brown sauce with the metropolitan elite (such as kinabalu) with their fucking lattes, hash browns with two types of soy sauce and Benn Act.
What if I like a latte and HP sauce with my full English breakfast?
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
It's just that it's illogical.
Even if you don't have a ton of money, so long as you're not getting into debt to do so, saving on other costs then investing in one good ring makes more sense than multiple frivolous purchases.
As for whether I can tell the difference between stones I'll be honest I'm not that fussed. But my wife is and I want her to be happy. My wife thinks its illogical I argue about politics with strangers on the internet so who am I to argue?
As I said, it is a marketing triumph; the diamond industry has played a blinder. Normal and sensible people, despite it being hugely illogical, think that they "need" a diamond.
I don't think I "need" a diamond. I think my wife wants one and I'm willing and able to get her one because it would make her happy and both romantically and analytically it makes sense to get her one.
Just as I don't "need" a Playstation 4. But my wife was willing and able to get me one, as she knew it would make me happy.
There's a difference. If you could have a different make of game that allowed you to do all the things on a PlayStation I'm assuming you would be happy with it.
The point being your PlayStation has a function.
A diamond is only valuable because enough people have been convinced that it is somehow an important element of a relationship. It is a signifier only. And the diamond industry has done brilliantly by creating such a fiction.
But as we both agree it harms no one and brings pleasure so all is good.
I disagree. A function of a diamond is that it is genuinely pretty to look at. My children since toddlers admire sparkly things too - they've not been taught that it is something they feel too without any marketing, without any industry backing.
Do you have any art in your home? What purpose does art serve?
Well, I guess it`s divisive in that it contrasts proper patriots with their mug of tea and fry-up with brown sauce with the metropolitan elite (such as kinabalu) with their fucking lattes, hash browns with two types of soy sauce and Benn Act.
Flat white is my hot beverage of choice.
And I HATED the Benn Act. It gifted the GE to the forces of regression and darkness.
One thing that I find genuinely worrying is the prevalence of those on here who seem to prefer brown to red sauce.
Not that you would approve. But I have an excellent recipe for brown sauce that is so good you never want anything else. It’s in a book by Kylee Newton, that also has loads of good chutney and jam recipes.
Perhaps I am being overly closed minded. Perhaps it is nicer than I am making out. I might try it next bacon butty time, but what a cost if I was right.
If you’re feeling racy and can’t be faffed making your own then Wilkin & Sons is the one to go for
I see that from Friday TfL is banning people from boarding the new Routemaster (aka Boris) bus by either the rear or centre doors on a whole list of routes. It seems people getting on at the back aren't always paying. Who'd have thought?
Still probably just as effective to put conductors on a a sample of buses.
Just have inspectors check random buses , £80 if caught without ticket. If they cannot pay immediately then down the nick for fraud. Soon stop these unscrupulous thieving Londoners. What a dump that place is full of ne'er do wells in all walks , Westminster antics spread to the public, despicable behaviour indeed.
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
It's just that it's illogical.
Even if y strangers on the internet so who am I to argue?
As I said, it is a marketing triumph; the diamond industry has played a blinder. Normal and sensible people, despite it being hugely illogical, think that they "need" a diamond.
I don't think I "need" a diamond. I think my wife wants one and I'm willing and able to get her one because it would make her happy and both romantically and analytically it makes sense to get her one.
Just as I don't "need" a Playstation 4. But my wife was willing and able to get me one, as she knew it would make me happy.
There's a difference. If you could have a different make of game that allowed you to do all the things on a PlayStation I'm assuming you would be happy with it.
The point being your PlayStation has a function.
A diamond is only valuable because enough people have been convinced that it is somehow an important element of a relationship. It is a signifier only. And the diamond industry has done brilliantly by creating such a fiction.
But as we both agree it harms no one and brings pleasure so all is good.
I disagree. A function of a diamond is that it is genuinely pretty to look at. My children since toddlers admire sparkly things too - they've not been taught that it is something they feel too without any marketing, without any industry backing.
Do you have any art in your home? What purpose does art serve?
But I agree 100% with your final sentence.
So you contend that buying specifically diamonds for wives as opposed to any other sparkly stone or substance is a wholly naturally occurring phenomenon and that peer pressure, marketing, and perceived status has nothing to do with it?
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
It's spectacularly pathetic jingoism. Order an Irish Breakfast in Dublin (and in the EU - horrors!) and you get exactly the same thing.
No they have those potato scone things and sometimes the cabbage mash thing - Kilcannon.
Plus the accompanying pint is Guinness not IPA...
The scones and colcannon are very tasty. Especially the scone. When I were a lad, we used to have the remainder of last night's mashed potatoes fried for breakfast.
Scottish Breakfast should have haggis and Lorne sausage - if it doesn’t it is a quisling yoon breakfast.
One thing that I find genuinely worrying is the prevalence of those on here who seem to prefer brown to red sauce.
Not that you would approve. But I have an excellent recipe for brown sauce that is so good you never want anything else. It’s in a book by Kylee Newton, that also has loads of good chutney and jam recipes.
Perhaps I am being overly closed minded. Perhaps it is nicer than I am making out. I might try it next bacon butty time, but what a cost if I was right.
If you’re feeling racy and can’t be faffed making your own then Wilkin & Sons is the one to go for
The ICC couldn’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
England will play India in the Women's T20 World Cup semi-finals on Thursday after South Africa's match with West Indies was abandoned because of rain.
The washout means unbeaten South Africa top Group B ahead of England and will meet Australia in the last four.
Both semi-finals will be played at the Sydney Cricket Ground with England's match starting at 04:00 GMT.
However, further rain is forecast for Sydney on Thursday and no reserve day is in place for the matches.
Were a game to be washed out, the group winners - India and South Africa - would progress to Sunday's final at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, meaning England and hosts Australia would be eliminated.
England's 2017 World Cup winner Alex Hartley told Test Match Special it is "mindblowing" there is no reserve day.
So you contend that buying specifically diamonds for wives as opposed to any other sparkly stone or substance is a wholly naturally occurring phenomenon and that peer pressure, marketing, and perceived status has nothing to do with it?
Okay. On that we disagree.
No. All sorts of stones can be bought and I've bought different types of stones ranging from cubic zirconia (sp?) to diamonds for my wife. But all serve a purpose and that purpose is being pretty. Pretty is a purpose.
Diamonds are the PS4 of gemstones while cubic zirconia are like the Megadrive emulator that plays emulated old Megadrive games that my wife also got me - fun in its own way but not the same thing.
I am doing some stuff to my house, and contemplating futureproofing myself by installing one of those Japanese arse shower thing.
I did have a peek at my stocks earlier and I've lost money on pretty much everything I chose, but offset by the immense overperformance of one winner, my Japanese arse shower manufacturer.
(Also when I sold my bit-coins I let my cat pick some stocks, his picks are doing way better than mine.)
I already have a bum gun in my loo. Gotta admit this is nothing to do with my clairvoyance over coronavirus, they’re just nice, comfy, and a lot more hygienic than just paper.
So when you’re all miserably tearing the Daily Star into strips, you can picture me peacefully perched on my porcelain throne. It may give you solace.
It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?
At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose
How low can the UK get, they really are a bunch of absolute bell ends running the show. Constantly making a fool of themselves with such stupid jingoistic crap. Wonder if they will be waving flags or blue passports as they enter the room doing Morris dances.
Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.
Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
Oh yes if you have a tonne of money go for it. If there are no other similarly complex sparkly stones and you can evidently tell the difference between a diamond and, say, cubic zirconia, then go for it.
It's just that it's illogical.
Even if you don't have a ton of money, so long as you're not getting into debt to do so, saving on other costs then investing in one good ring makes more sense than multiple frivolous purchases.
As for whether I can tell the difference between stones I'll be honest I'm not that fussed. But my wife is and I want her to be happy. My wife thinks its illogical I argue about politics with strangers on the internet so who am I to argue?
As I said, it is a marketing triumph; the diamond industry has played a blinder. Normal and sensible people, despite it being hugely illogical, think that they "need" a diamond.
I think that's true - and the high street chains take advantage of that.
I'm of course far to smart to fall for such stuff but, nonetheless, my wife does have a diamond engagement ring. I wanted to get the ring from a particular jeweller on the island where we took our honeymoon (also our first proper holiday together - the honeymoon was of course after I'd bought the ring!). The ring I liked best had a diamond as the gem. Probably they'd have made me one with a different gem if I'd requested it (items made to order) but I'm not sure what else I would have chosen. Cubic zirconia would be a possibility indeed (does it have the same longevity?) but given this is something to be worn everyday and with other jewellery, colourless is useful. My sister in law has a gorgeous engagement ring with blue topaz as the gem, but it does limit a bit what else she can wear on that hand/wrist.
The diamond in my wife's ring is pretty tiny - I could have bought a ring with a much bigger diamond for the same price from the high street, but for me that would have been missing the point. My wedding band is from the same jeweller and again I could have got one much cheaper, but it brings me memories every day not only of my wife, but our holidays and honeymoon together in this place. Unless coronavirus gets me in the next year, I hope it's cost per day worn is going to be miniscule (currently 25p per day, many 'waste' more on coffee).
BTW has anyone suggested that we might be slightly better prepared as a country because of no deal planning done over the last 18 months...
Why do people stockpile toilet paper? Is its supply chain particularly vulnerable or is it just a cliche?
There are those old enough to remember the toilet paper shortage of in the early 70s. This was around the time of the winter if discontent and suddenly toilet paper just disappeared and it rook weeks for it to return.
Well, if loo roll runs out, the country always has the Daily Mail, The Sun and The Star. Perhaps, as a public service, they will use softer paper for their upcoming plague editions
I would have said that no full English is complete without a side order of snail porridge but that goes without saying.
Actually the very first thing you need for a proper English breakfast is good-quality bacon, now rarely found in the UK. Consumers have been conned in thinking that something fraudulently called 'bacon' (made from pigs bred to be tasteless and with meat injected with brine) is the real thing. Hot tip: buy Italian pancetta instead, it's still real bacon.
Breakfast preferences aside, why would a newspaper calling a dish named after the country ‘patriotic’ in a headline be at all controversial? It’s an easy headline, so what?
It's not controversial as its not offending anyone, it's just a bit ridiculous. It's not patriotic, anymore than using a red telephone box or getting on a double decker red bus is considered a patriotic act. Of course it's true that the Telegraph headline is clearly designed to provoke exactly this kind of outrage and the best response is to just ignore it.
Actually the very first thing you need for a proper English breakfast is good-quality bacon, now rarely found in the UK. Consumers have been conned in thinking that something fraudulently called 'bacon' (made from pigs bred to be tasteless and with meat injected with brine) is the real thing. Hot tip: buy Italian pancetta instead, it's still real bacon.
Get a garlic paste and lightly rub the pancetta on one side. Take a chicken breast and slice in half and roll up inside the garlic face of the pancetta.
Place in a medium-hot pan with a little rapeseed oil and turn until the pancetta is cooked brown (preferably crispy at the edges) and serve with breads / veg / potatoes (whichever works for you)
Update: Eurostar same density as usual. People on laptops and reading The Times. A few coughs.
Except...Someone across the aisle huddled under the table in a Hazmat suit with tins of baked beans and hexi blocks scattered around him, mumbling something about "exponential growth...why don't they take me seriously...soon no one left...damn you PB..."
Actually the very first thing you need for a proper English breakfast is good-quality bacon, now rarely found in the UK. Consumers have been conned in thinking that something fraudulently called 'bacon' (made from pigs bred to be tasteless and with meat injected with brine) is the real thing. Hot tip: buy Italian pancetta instead, it's still real bacon.
Get a garlic paste and lightly rub the pancetta on one side. Take a chicken breast and slice in half and roll up inside the garlic face of the pancetta.
Place in a medium-hot pan with a little rapeseed oil and turn until the pancetta is cooked brown (preferably crispy at the edges) and serve with breads / veg / potatoes (whichever works for you)
English mustard. Not Dijon poopoo or American ooze. Proper Colmans's full-punch English.
No English breakfast is feasible without it.
Actually Anglo/Dutch mustard, these days.
The condiment that Tesco calls "English mustard" in England it labels as "Mustard" in Scotland. In a cafe at a major Scottish tourist attraction I've also seen Twining's "English Breakfast" Tea (a blend of Assam, Ceylon and Kenyan) described on a blackboard as "Breakfast" tea. "Not having that Westminster muck here! Oh wait, if we can call it by a different name and sell it..."
I used to drink a lot of Twining's breakfast tea until I converted to Green Tea and never looked back
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It's just that it's illogical.
When I first stopped working mornings, I got in the habit of a cooked breakfast, as a great way to start the day. Six months later I had my cholesterol tested as part of my annual check up and it had shot up from below to well above average. Doctor was insistent that the breakfasts had to stop, sadly, so now it's an occasional treat.
Prefer a 'full Welsh"; bacon, sausage, egg(s) and fried laverbread and oatmeal,
But I very, very rarely have it.
https://twitter.com/jonwalker121/status/1234748677559848960
But it grows on you. Unlike all the sweet stuff, as you say. Worst breakfast offering I came across, in Rapid City, consisted mostly of donuts.
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1234780143299813376
EDIT: I see Carlotta got there before me.
Was it localised ?
As for whether I can tell the difference between stones I'll be honest I'm not that fussed. But my wife is and I want her to be happy. My wife thinks its illogical I argue about politics with strangers on the internet so who am I to argue?
Then again there is no full English that can't be improved with marmalade.
Lay Bloomberg 14.5 £100(Nom)
Back Biden 4.7 £30 (Pres)
Lay Sanders 1.4 £7 (MA) (More of an interest for the night this one than anything serious)
"The document suggests that the situation could be even worse as the party's polling hasn't taken into account the recent Conservative poll "bounce" but it adds that it can not yet estimate the effect of a change of leadership on the election results. "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51709639
I've only been the the US twice (once for half a day), and the standard of food and drink is awful as any kind of consistent diet.
* Age 2-19.
All sorted out when Wilson came back in Feb. 74
Moderate patriotism is not a bad thing, extreme versions like jingoism can be though. I'd rather pathetic jingoism than extreme jingoism. All things in moderation as the saying goes.
However, animal welfare is really important and there are massive issues surrounding the way pigs are treated especially, as I say, on the Continent. They deserve better.
p.s. if this provokes McAngry into a 'snowflake' jibe, forget it.
Plus the accompanying pint is Guinness not IPA...
Boris Presser with Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Officer today
Nevertheless a good poll for sleepy Joe.
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1234673139050659840
Just as I don't "need" a Playstation 4. But my wife was willing and able to get me one, as she knew it would make me happy.
My mother made marmalade every September, and although I wanted to like it, I just couldn't.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/509469-every-day-the-new-york-times-carries-a-motto-in
I used to go to a place in San Jose which made them fresh around 6am, and was sold out by 8.30. One of the best things I ever tasted.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2011/05/13/a-la-carte-lous-donuts-entrepreneur-charles-chavira-dies-at-51/
No English breakfast is feasible without it.
To each their own. I respect people who are vegetarian because they want to be and keep it to themselves. I don't respect people who are vegetarian and expect others to be and preach to others - just as I don't respect preachy religions etc
If you care about animal welfare look for the Red Tractor mark on your meat. If its got the Red Tractor you know it has good animal welfare and that will include pork.
The point being your PlayStation has a function.
A diamond is only valuable because enough people have been convinced that it is somehow an important element of a relationship. It is a signifier only. And the diamond industry has done brilliantly by creating such a fiction.
But as we both agree it harms no one and brings pleasure so all is good.
One was sausage and marmalade encased in sliced white Mother's Pride.
The other, a particular classic, is fish fingers, marmalade and tomato ketchup all, again, encased in white sliced bread.
Sheer magnificence.
And I HATED the Benn Act. It gifted the GE to the forces of regression and darkness.
I like the kind you mix from powder. Packs a real punch.
Do you have any art in your home? What purpose does art serve?
But I agree 100% with your final sentence.
Soon stop these unscrupulous thieving Londoners. What a dump that place is full of ne'er do wells in all walks , Westminster antics spread to the public, despicable behaviour indeed.
Okay. On that we disagree.
England will play India in the Women's T20 World Cup semi-finals on Thursday after South Africa's match with West Indies was abandoned because of rain.
The washout means unbeaten South Africa top Group B ahead of England and will meet Australia in the last four.
Both semi-finals will be played at the Sydney Cricket Ground with England's match starting at 04:00 GMT.
However, further rain is forecast for Sydney on Thursday and no reserve day is in place for the matches.
Were a game to be washed out, the group winners - India and South Africa - would progress to Sunday's final at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, meaning England and hosts Australia would be eliminated.
England's 2017 World Cup winner Alex Hartley told Test Match Special it is "mindblowing" there is no reserve day.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/51718018
Diamonds are the PS4 of gemstones while cubic zirconia are like the Megadrive emulator that plays emulated old Megadrive games that my wife also got me - fun in its own way but not the same thing.
I'm of course far to smart to fall for such stuff
The diamond in my wife's ring is pretty tiny - I could have bought a ring with a much bigger diamond for the same price from the high street, but for me that would have been missing the point. My wedding band is from the same jeweller and again I could have got one much cheaper, but it brings me memories every day not only of my wife, but our holidays and honeymoon together in this place. Unless coronavirus gets me in the next year, I hope it's cost per day worn is going to be miniscule (currently 25p per day, many 'waste' more on coffee).
Its essential.
Place in a medium-hot pan with a little rapeseed oil and turn until the pancetta is cooked brown (preferably crispy at the edges) and serve with breads / veg / potatoes (whichever works for you)