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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1234759118377947136?s=20
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Why did your wife need to have a gold or diamond ring? I am asking rhetorically of course because that's what people do.

    But it's a triumph of marketing over logic.

    Because it's pretty, romantic, something she will appreciate, something that lasts and something she'll wear every day for the rest of her life.

    Which will be worn more - one £1000 ring or 10 £100 dresses?
    Romantic? Getting something from H Samuel or Tessier? Zero imagination or romance.

    Just think of all the amazing original things you could have bought her instead of following the crowd.
    Surely it depends upon the lady? Incidentally how I proposed was (AFAIK) original to go with the ring and something I knew she'd appreciate. Part of romance is understanding your other half surely?
    I'm sure it was the most romantic thing ever. But for someone as rigorously analytic and logical as yourself doesn't the idea of giving a wife a diamond ring "because that's what people do" seem a bit off?
    "Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself..."
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    For a country with such advanced planning for invasion prevention, I expected better of Switzerland:

    "There is no hand sanitiser anywhere in the country. Pharmacies have been licensed to make their own, but the ingredients have apparently run out too."

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    IanB2 said:

    matt said:

    Glad to see that the Coronapocolapyse hysteria continues unabated. It’s almost Diana-esque.

    In other news, markets continue to rally, but I’m sure that’s no more than other selling opportunity for some. Whatever the circumstances, they are always correct.

    This is going to be an interesting week on the markets.

    Last night the Nikkei closed slightly down yet the Dow had its best day ever, yesterday, and is rising this morning in pre-trading, as is the FTSE.

    The expectation is that central bankers, after their conference call this afternoon, will come out with more specifics on their "all measures necessary" comments yesterday. Whether this helps the economy is a moot point, but if there is more easy money it is likely to help the markets. And of course the US administration has particular reasons to do so.

    So we have a tussle between financial action (or at least promise of action) to float the markets, and a likely worsening stream of medical news, especially from the US, that will be pushing them down.

    How this will play out is anybody's guess. I'd hazard that the lift from yesterday may carry through today and perhaps longer, but when the shock that west coast America is in the same position as northern Italy hits the media, markets will surely fall again. So for traders, there should be opportunities.
    As I keep saying, the timing needs to be spot on and frictional costs together with tax will make playing the peaks and troughs very challenging.

    For example, what would you do this minute given the possible stock price paths you have outlined in your post.

    As we used to say when we were pricing derivative products for corporates: "are your views really that complicated?"
    I am mostly trading on the spreads; my holdings (free of tax in ISAs and SIPP) have been defensively positioned for some time and the selling I did last week and previously was at the margin. I have some cash to invest if the time looks right.

    On the spreads, last week I was unusually lucky in that my timing was very good, and the profit is in the bank.

    Right now I have taken the smallest of sell positions with the Dow back to 26,650, on the basis that more bad medical news from the US seems only a matter of time. But this may go underwater if the central bankers win investors round this afternoon. If the market soars I would be looking to take a new sell position this evening or tomorrow morning.
    Thanks. Good luck!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    Bit mawkish nonetheless from the Telegraph. It appears to be painting the rather silly image of ruddy yeoman Frost, gorged on English sausage, marching into battle. If our lot are relying on this kind of spin, then it doesn't fill me with confidence.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,911
    isam said:

    Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    Never. He complains about polarisation and generalising about politics, and yet he's just as much a rabble-rousing loudmouth as someone like Richard Littlejohn.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1234759118377947136?s=20
    A risible response to a risible tweet garners an equally pointless piece of frothing.
    Get some lives, the lot of you. :smile:
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Dawning, I agree it's a bit of a weird description. The reaction is even weirder, though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,768
    FTSE seems happy with Hancock and Boris's outline plans for the crisis.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    @Pulpstar

    I expect to be carrying liability on Hillary all the way to the convention.

    Short of death I don’t think there’s anything that could convince punters to keep their cash away from her.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    IanB2 said:

    alex_ said:

    This is genuinely reassuring.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/02/uk-supermarkets-braced-for-stockpiling-if-coronavirus-escalates-panic-buying

    BTW has anyone suggested that we might be slightly better prepared as a country because of no deal planning done over the last 18 months... ;)

    Why do people stockpile toilet paper? Is its supply chain particularly vulnerable or is it just a cliche?
    There are those old enough to remember the toilet paper shortage of in the early 70s. This was around the time of the winter if discontent and suddenly toilet paper just disappeared and it rook weeks for it to return.
    The grimness of newspapers torn into strips...
    Something that could rescue the newspaper business? At least temporarily.
    I ain't wiping my ass on no Guardian....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    Bit mawkish nonetheless from the Telegraph. It appears to be painting the rather silly image of ruddy yeoman Frost, gorged on English sausage, marching into battle. If our lot are relying on this kind of spin, then it doesn't fill me with confidence.
    Surely they (the Telegraph) are playing to their audience. Or perhaps they were being droll. It would have been funny if the Graun had used it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1234759118377947136?s=20
    At least we can be thankful that our tea comes from Yorkshire.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    Another round of quantitative easing, cheap money, even lower interest rates and general physical asset/company value inflation it is then ?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1234759118377947136?s=20
    A risible response to a risible tweet garners an equally pointless piece of frothing.
    Get some lives, the lot of you. :smile:
    Is that the guy on LBC? the LBC guy is unlistenable to.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Mr. Mark, surely we need to add 'profit' to that list?

    Mr. Isam, well, quite.

    Maybe the BBC does as well!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Pulpstar said:

    Another round of quantitative easing, cheap money, even lower interest rates and general physical asset/company value inflation it is then ?

    Almost for sure. How this irresistible force copes with the immovable object of death and quarantine is the question.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2020

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1234759118377947136?s=20
    The likes of O’Brien and his disciples are so think skinned, touchy and humourless it would make me feel sorry for them if they weren’t so unlikeable. Fall for every bit of fake news that fits their confirmation bias, refuse to admit their frequent mistakes, assume the worst of their political enemies, the list goes on.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited March 2020
    isam said:

    Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    To be fair it's his job to do that though.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Pulpstar said:

    Another round of quantitative easing, cheap money, even lower interest rates and general physical asset/company value inflation it is then ?

    It doesn't matter what the situation, that has become the default response.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1234759118377947136?s=20
    A risible response to a risible tweet garners an equally pointless piece of frothing.
    Get some lives, the lot of you. :smile:
    Is that the guy on LBC? the LBC guy is unlistenable to.
    He sure seems to trigger the snowflakes on the right.
    The mutual outrage generation is all a bit exhausting.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    You need to use a sausage as a breakwater between the eggs and the beans.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1234759118377947136?s=20
    A risible response to a risible tweet garners an equally pointless piece of frothing.
    Get some lives, the lot of you. :smile:
    Is that the guy on LBC? the LBC guy is unlistenable to.
    Yes. He used his show as a vehicle to promote fake news that a now convicted fantasist was the victim of establishment paedophiles, refused to apologise when the truth emerged, then wrote a book called ‘How to be Right’!!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited March 2020
    Update: Eurostar same density as usual. People on laptops and reading The Times. A few coughs.

    Except...Someone across the aisle huddled under the table in a Hazmat suit with tins of baked beans and hexi blocks scattered around him, mumbling something about "exponential growth...why don't they take me seriously...soon no one left...damn you PB..."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    TOPPING said:

    Update: Eurostar same density as usual. People on laptops and reading The Times. A few coughs.

    Except...Someone across the aisle huddled under the table in a Hazmat suit with tins of baked beans and hexi blocks scattered around him, mumbling something about "exponential growth...why don't they take me seriously...soon no one left...damn you PB..."

    Go shake his hand...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,833

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    Bit mawkish nonetheless from the Telegraph. It appears to be painting the rather silly image of ruddy yeoman Frost, gorged on English sausage, marching into battle. If our lot are relying on this kind of spin, then it doesn't fill me with confidence.
    If there is one respect in which the UK - and indeed the Anglosphere - is unquestionably better than the continent, it is that of breakfast. I've never understood how Europeans who prize highly the experience of, and the skill inpreparing, the second and third d meals of the day put so little effort into the first.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Of course! Amazing they are so eager to let everyone know they’ve fallen for it!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Another round of quantitative easing, cheap money, even lower interest rates and general physical asset/company value inflation it is then ?

    It doesn't matter what the situation, that has become the default response.
    That is the only solution that remains, if you can't increase interest rates to allow yourself leeway to reduce them what else is left.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Update: Eurostar same density as usual. People on laptops and reading The Times. A few coughs.

    Except...Someone across the aisle huddled under the table in a Hazmat suit with tins of baked beans and hexi blocks scattered around him, mumbling something about "exponential growth...why don't they take me seriously...soon no one left...damn you PB..."

    Go shake his hand...
    He is in the foetus position so can't see them.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    I had toast for breakfast this morning, but I think I got away with it!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Cancelled a longstanding 4.1 lay on Biden for the presidency (Ladbrokes Exchange) to lay him for the Democrat nomination at just over evens, which looks better value to me.

    NB I'd backed him for the nomination at 12, thanks to a tip from Mr. B.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    They do say that to eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    TOPPING said:

    Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
    Tomatoes are excellent. The bigger problem is that there is no acceptable vegetarian substitute for bacon.
    (I am not vegetarian, but have given up on pork. Pigs are just too soulful to eat.)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    TOPPING said:

    Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.

    Tinned are better than fresh.

  • TOPPING said:

    They do say that to eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day.

    Did you read that in a book written by J.R.R. Tolkien?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2020

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    Bit mawkish nonetheless from the Telegraph. It appears to be painting the rather silly image of ruddy yeoman Frost, gorged on English sausage, marching into battle. If our lot are relying on this kind of spin, then it doesn't fill me with confidence.
    If there is one respect in which the UK - and indeed the Anglosphere - is unquestionably better than the continent, it is that of breakfast. I've never understood how Europeans who prize highly the experience of, and the skill inpreparing, the second and third d meals of the day put so little effort into the first.
    Here's a story I heard on radio 4 a few years ago but the internet seems to know nothing about

    Churchill decided in 1940 that there was no way a war could be fought or won without proper marmalade, so he sent a destroyer to Seville to escort the oranges over.

    The Sevilleans had never believed that the English wanted their inedible ornamental oranges to make some kind of weird breakfast only jam and thought this was a cover story and that they actually used them to make some secret weapon of war (their oil is highly flammable). So when Churchill did that, they knew they had been right all along.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    The sprinkle espresso on their yoghurt ??
    The breakfast affogato ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
    Tomatoes are excellent. The bigger problem is that there is no acceptable vegetarian substitute for bacon.
    (I am not vegetarian, but have given up on pork. Pigs are just too soulful to eat.)
    Waitrose fake streaky bacon is nice. I had a Linda McCartney burger yesterday, and it’s been so long since I had an actual beef burger it might as well have been the real thing.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    What irks people (and "irk" is, I think, the mot juste) is the completely brainless pandering to all of the typical Telegraph readers' worst instincts. It's the "Two World Wars and One World Cup" school of Brexit.

    Of course, it's best ignored, like most of the Telegraph's output.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Nigelb said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    The sprinkle espresso on their yoghurt ??
    The breakfast affogato ?
    I feel I should make a comment but am too helpless with laughter........
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608

    IanB2 said:

    alex_ said:

    This is genuinely reassuring.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/02/uk-supermarkets-braced-for-stockpiling-if-coronavirus-escalates-panic-buying

    BTW has anyone suggested that we might be slightly better prepared as a country because of no deal planning done over the last 18 months... ;)

    Why do people stockpile toilet paper? Is its supply chain particularly vulnerable or is it just a cliche?
    There are those old enough to remember the toilet paper shortage of in the early 70s. This was around the time of the winter if discontent and suddenly toilet paper just disappeared and it rook weeks for it to return.
    The grimness of newspapers torn into strips...
    Something that could rescue the newspaper business? At least temporarily.
    I ain't wiping my ass on no Guardian....
    It feels like a more appropriate use than actually reading it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    isam said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Tomatoes although necessary I appreciate in a full English, are nevertheless always eaten begrudgingly.
    Tomatoes are excellent. The bigger problem is that there is no acceptable vegetarian substitute for bacon.
    (I am not vegetarian, but have given up on pork. Pigs are just too soulful to eat.)
    Waitrose fake streaky bacon is nice. I had a Linda McCartney burger yesterday, and it’s been so long since I had an actual beef burger it might as well have been the real thing.
    The LM sausages are quite acceptable, so I might give your advice a try.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,911
    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    UK = bad. EU = good.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2020
    TOPPING said:

    I'm sure it was the most romantic thing ever. But for someone as rigorously analytic and logical as yourself doesn't the idea of giving a wife a diamond ring "because that's what people do" seem a bit off?

    I actually did put some analysis as to why a ring was good value in my earlier post but you ignored that and just highlighted the word "romantic". So OK setting aside the romance I'll say more clearly why it is analyticially good value . . .

    I am analytical and don't care for jewellery, barring watches before I was married I'd never worn any ever in my life and even watches were purely functional - from the point I started carrying a phone to the point I got a smartwatch I stopped wearing watches too.

    But I do care for my wife [then girlfriend] and I want her to be happy. So I am investing my money in her happiness. So I need to think about her, what she wants and what she desires. She does like jewellery, she does like pretty dresses, nice perfumes, flowers etc - the girly cliches. She always wears her earings, she likes to wear nice bracelets or pendants or necklaces - she appreciates that stuff - and I appreciate her being happy. And if she's happy, then analytically that makes my life happier.

    So analytically if I'm investing my money in her happiness then what gets the best return on investment? As I said before a ring may cost 10x more than a good dress or a nice necklace etc . . . but would she be happier with 1 good ring or 10 dresses or necklaces? The one ring to rule them all (sorry) will be worn hopefully every day for the rest of her life, she will see it every single day, she will look at it more than any individual thing else I ever buy her for the rest of my life. Its the one object more than any other her friends, family etc will look at with her.

    I would rather invest in one good ring to make her happy for the rest of our lives together than 10 dresses or necklaces or other objects that end up in a closet or jewellery box only to be worn on special occasions and only if she chooses one of those specific items instead of another on that day.

    It is 9 years since I proposed and nearly 7 since we got married. That means her engagement ring has been worn now for roughly 3400 days. Divide the cost of the ring by 3400 (and counting) and its great value compared to most other similar things I will ever buy her.

    Analytically rings give one of the best returns on investment of any gift you will ever purchase.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    Bit mawkish nonetheless from the Telegraph. It appears to be painting the rather silly image of ruddy yeoman Frost, gorged on English sausage, marching into battle. If our lot are relying on this kind of spin, then it doesn't fill me with confidence.
    If there is one respect in which the UK - and indeed the Anglosphere - is unquestionably better than the continent, it is that of breakfast. I've never understood how Europeans who prize highly the experience of, and the skill inpreparing, the second and third d meals of the day put so little effort into the first.

    Chorizo and fried egg with pan con tomate in the side and churros to follow is the finest breakfast known to man. Add chips and filthy red wine to drink, and it becomes the finest lunch.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    edited March 2020
    Does anyone know if Boris Johnson and the government are planning any commemorations for the 80th anniversary of the Royal Navy’s stunning performance at Mers-el-Kébir?

    If the government isn’t making any plans then Boris Johnson is disgracefully unpatriotic.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,380
    malcolmg said:

    alex_ said:

    Interesting question about the virus - will the British press rediscover a collective sense of responsibility or will they continue down the “sensationalist” route? Dare I say it we might be thankful for an impartial national broadcaster from where to source our news - let’s hope they at least rise to the occasion.

    One feature of this Government appears to be a belief that there is a large pool of local labour which is readily available. First of all there was Priti Patel talking about a large number of 'under-employed' people who could take over the work of 'low-wage jobs currently done by immigrants. Now there's an army of volunteers ready to help the NHS.
    NHS staff are of course, just as likely to be affected by coronavirus as anyone else.
    Naive, irresponsible, or what?
    Thick stupid over privileged morons
    There are, every year a considerable number of people who leave the medical profession, or go part time. They do not, overnight forget everything or become useless...

    For example, in my local practise, at one stage there were three lades (out of 4 doctors) approaching 35 without children ... I have received apologies for the insults I got for pointing out statistically what would happen next.....

    1 is part time (childcare) , and the other 2 married and quit to look after their children.

    The part timer is upping her hours again and tells me that the other 2 are in contact with the NHS about volunteering over the current matter.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    @HYUFD - The bigger story there is that the local elections may be delayed.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    It’s known as a ‘Full English’ so not that much of a stretch to homily call it ‘patriotic’ in a headline. Don’t wallies like James O’Brien ever just think ‘I disagree with them politically but I’m not going to make a prat of myself by forcing an angry opinion out of it’?

    At least he’s not falling for and promoting fake paedo news today I suppose

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=21

    Bit mawkish nonetheless from the Telegraph. It appears to be painting the rather silly image of ruddy yeoman Frost, gorged on English sausage, marching into battle. If our lot are relying on this kind of spin, then it doesn't fill me with confidence.
    If there is one respect in which the UK - and indeed the Anglosphere - is unquestionably better than the continent, it is that of breakfast. I've never understood how Europeans who prize highly the experience of, and the skill inpreparing, the second and third d meals of the day put so little effort into the first.

    Chorizo and fried egg with pan con tomate in the side and churros to follow is the finest breakfast known to man. Add chips and filthy red wine to drink, and it becomes the finest lunch.

    He's right though in that Italians, who love the art of cooking and eating more than most, are satisfied with rushing out of their homes after a coffee and, perhaps, a quick bite of dry croissant.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    HYUFD said:
    Problem with polls right now is keeping up with changes in the candidate list. The polls are for something that isn't happening.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2020

    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    What irks people (and "irk" is, I think, the mot juste) is the completely brainless pandering to all of the typical Telegraph readers' worst instincts. It's the "Two World Wars and One World Cup" school of Brexit.

    Of course, it's best ignored, like most of the Telegraph's output.
    It’s probably just a joke, to make their readers smile while hoping some lefties get wound up by it

    Why read a paper if you’re closed minded enough to know before you do so it’s going to make you angry? You’re just going to repeat the same prejudices on a daily basis and end up like @vonPyotr on Twitter! Better to accept that you disagree, and view it as a window into a worldview you don’t share
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    They do say that to eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day.

    Did you read that in a book written by J.R.R. Tolkien?
    J R Hartley.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    TOPPING said:

    Anyway I will be intermittently live blogging from the front line today. Not quite in @BJO territory but I am currently sitting at St Pancras waiting to go to La France.

    People here seem unfazed.

    My flight last night was as full as it ever is. One person wearing a mask - they looked full-on twat. Which neatly brings me to the photo in today’s Times (I use online so can’t give page numbers). Do look out for it.....
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    alex_ said:

    This is genuinely reassuring.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/02/uk-supermarkets-braced-for-stockpiling-if-coronavirus-escalates-panic-buying

    BTW has anyone suggested that we might be slightly better prepared as a country because of no deal planning done over the last 18 months... ;)

    Why do people stockpile toilet paper? Is its supply chain particularly vulnerable or is it just a cliche?
    There are those old enough to remember the toilet paper shortage of in the early 70s. This was around the time of the winter if discontent and suddenly toilet paper just disappeared and it rook weeks for it to return.
    The winter of discontent was 1978-79 not early seventies. I'm guessing it was not that wiinter which had the "great toilet paper shortage". I was 10 then, the ideal age to find everything to do with urinating/defecating unbelievably hilarious, and I have no memeory of it at all.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    What irks people (and "irk" is, I think, the mot juste) is the completely brainless pandering to all of the typical Telegraph readers' worst instincts. It's the "Two World Wars and One World Cup" school of Brexit.

    Of course, it's best ignored, like most of the Telegraph's output.
    As Henning Wehn says, "What is it with this 'two world wars, one world cup?' I don't remember America ever winning the World Cup!"
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    Never had a full English breakfast??? Seriously?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    TOPPING said:

    IanB2 said:

    matt said:

    Glad to see that the Coronapocolapyse hysteria continues unabated. It’s almost Diana-esque.

    In other news, markets continue to rally, but I’m sure that’s no more than other selling opportunity for some. Whatever the circumstances, they are always correct.

    This is going to be an interesting week on the markets.

    Last night the Nikkei closed slightly down yet the Dow had its best day ever, yesterday, and is rising this morning in pre-trading, as is the FTSE.

    The expectation is that central bankers, after their conference call this afternoon, will come out with more specifics on their "all measures necessary" comments yesterday. Whether this helps the economy is a moot point, but if there is more easy money it is likely to help the markets. And of course the US administration has particular reasons to do so.

    So we have a tussle between financial action (or at least promise of action) to float the markets, and a likely worsening stream of medical news, especially from the US, that will be pushing them down.

    How this will play out is anybody's guess. I'd hazard that the lift from yesterday may carry through today and perhaps longer, but when the shock that west coast America is in the same position as northern Italy hits the media, markets will surely fall again. So for traders, there should be opportunities.
    As I keep saying, the timing needs to be spot on and frictional costs together with tax will make playing the peaks and troughs very challenging.

    For example, what would you do this minute given the possible stock price paths you have outlined in your post.

    As we used to say when we were pricing derivative products for corporates: "are your views really that complicated?"
    I take the view that I’m not clever enough to do this. I hold the view that I bought funds or shares because I saw them as good and there’s been little to change that. Hold, long term and reinvest.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Does anyone know if Boris Johnson and the government are planning any commemorations for the 80th anniversary of the Royal Navy’s stunning performance at Mers-el-Kébir?

    If the government isn’t making any plans then Boris Johnson is disgracefully unpatriotic.

    Isn't that a bit like celebrating every Saints day?

    If we were doing commemorations of anniversaries of stunning performances through our history we'd never stop doing them. Better to have a few meaningful days to remember our history with, most especially Remembrance Day.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Why did your wife need to have a gold or diamond ring? I am asking rhetorically of course because that's what people do.

    But it's a triumph of marketing over logic.

    Because it's pretty, romantic, something she will appreciate, something that lasts and something she'll wear every day for the rest of her life.

    Which will be worn more - one £1000 ring or 10 £100 dresses?
    Romantic? Getting something from H Samuel or Tessier? Zero imagination or romance.

    Just think of all the amazing original things you could have bought her instead of following the crowd.
    This is the perfect romantic act.
    That joke was used in "Cold Feet" a couple of series ago.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    I'm sure it was the most romantic thing ever. But for someone as rigorously analytic and logical as yourself doesn't the idea of giving a wife a diamond ring "because that's what people do" seem a bit off?

    I actually did put some analysis as to why a ring was good value in my earlier post but you ignored that and just highlighted the word "romantic". So OK setting aside the romance I'll say more clearly why it is analyticially good value . . .

    I am analytical and don't care for jewellery, barring watches before I was married I'd never worn any ever in my life and even watches were purely functional - from the point I started carrying a phone to the point I got a smartwatch I stopped wearing watches too.

    But I do care for my wife [then girlfriend] and I want her to be happy. So I am investing my money in her happiness. So I need to think about her, what she wants and what she desires. She does like jewellery, she does like pretty dresses, nice perfumes, flowers etc - the girly cliches. She always wears her earings, she likes to wear nice bracelets or pendants or necklaces - she appreciates that stuff - and I appreciate her being happy. And if she's happy, then analytically that makes my life happier.

    So analytically if I'm investing my money in her happiness then what gets the best return on investment? As I said before a ring may cost 10x more than a good dress or a nice necklace etc . . . but would she be happier with 1 good ring or 10 dresses or necklaces? The one ring to rule them all (sorry) will be worn hopefully every day for the rest of her life, she will see it every single day, she will look at it more than any individual thing else I ever buy her for the rest of my life. Its the one object more than any other her friends, family etc will look at with her.

    I would rather invest in one good ring to make her happy for the rest of our lives together than 10 dresses or necklaces or other objects that end up in a closet or jewellery box only to be worn on special occasions and only if she chooses one of those specific items instead of another on that day.

    It is 9 years since I proposed and nearly 7 since we got married. That means her engagement ring has been worn now for roughly 3400 days. Divide the cost of the ring by 3400 (and counting) and its great value compared to most other similar things I will ever buy her.

    Analytically rings give one of the best returns on investment of any gift you will ever purchase.
    Why did it have to be a diamond?
  • TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    Never had a full English breakfast??? Seriously?
    I’ve never had a full English breakfast either.

    #GoodMuslimBoy
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    I am increasingly of the view that bacon is only good between heavily buttered slices of bread. On a breakfast plate it is perennially disappointing.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2020
    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    Never had a full English breakfast??? Seriously?
    I’ve never had a breakfast with baked beans on it, can it be ‘full’ without them? In the past I’ve had Sausage, Bacon Egg, mushrooms and toast if that counts. I don’t really eat red meat now so it was all a long time ago
  • Does anyone know if Boris Johnson and the government are planning any commemorations for the 80th anniversary of the Royal Navy’s stunning performance at Mers-el-Kébir?

    If the government isn’t making any plans then Boris Johnson is disgracefully unpatriotic.

    Isn't that a bit like celebrating every Saints day?

    If we were doing commemorations of anniversaries of stunning performances through our history we'd never stop doing them. Better to have a few meaningful days to remember our history with, most especially Remembrance Day.
    It’s the last time we gave the French an absolute hiding.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    They do say that to eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day.

    Did you read that in a book written by J.R.R. Tolkien?
    J R Hartley.
    Fly Fishing?

    Both yellow pages and independent bookshops are things that the internet have pushed in to the category "nostalgia".
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    matt said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anyway I will be intermittently live blogging from the front line today. Not quite in @BJO territory but I am currently sitting at St Pancras waiting to go to La France.

    People here seem unfazed.

    My flight last night was as full as it ever is. One person wearing a mask - they looked full-on twat. Which neatly brings me to the photo in today’s Times (I use online so can’t give page numbers). Do look out for it.....
    When I see people wearing masks I am sorely tempted to go up to them and thank them.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    matt said:

    TOPPING said:

    IanB2 said:

    matt said:

    Glad to see that the Coronapocolapyse hysteria continues unabated. It’s almost Diana-esque.

    In other news, markets continue to rally, but I’m sure that’s no more than other selling opportunity for some. Whatever the circumstances, they are always correct.

    This is going to be an interesting week on the markets.

    Last night the Nikkei closed slightly down yet the Dow had its best day ever, yesterday, and is rising this morning in pre-trading, as is the FTSE.

    The expectation is that central bankers, after their conference call this afternoon, will come out with more specifics on their "all measures necessary" comments yesterday. Whether this helps the economy is a moot point, but if there is more easy money it is likely to help the markets. And of course the US administration has particular reasons to do so.

    So we have a tussle between financial action (or at least promise of action) to float the markets, and a likely worsening stream of medical news, especially from the US, that will be pushing them down.

    How this will play out is anybody's guess. I'd hazard that the lift from yesterday may carry through today and perhaps longer, but when the shock that west coast America is in the same position as northern Italy hits the media, markets will surely fall again. So for traders, there should be opportunities.
    As I keep saying, the timing needs to be spot on and frictional costs together with tax will make playing the peaks and troughs very challenging.

    For example, what would you do this minute given the possible stock price paths you have outlined in your post.

    As we used to say when we were pricing derivative products for corporates: "are your views really that complicated?"
    I take the view that I’m not clever enough to do this. I hold the view that I bought funds or shares because I saw them as good and there’s been little to change that. Hold, long term and reinvest.
    Agree IMO a very sensible approach.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    I am increasingly of the view that bacon is only good between heavily buttered slices of bread. On a breakfast plate it is perennially disappointing.

    You could burn it, American style? I got quite fond of their crispy bacon on my trip.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    Never had a full English breakfast??? Seriously?
    I’ve never had a full English breakfast either.

    #GoodMuslimBoy
    Well I never.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,230
    isam said:

    I’ve never had a breakfast with baked beans on it, can it be ‘full’ without them? In the past I’ve had Sausage, Bacon Egg, mushrooms and toast if that counts. I don’t really eat red meat now so it was all a long time ago

    Have you got something against baked beans?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019
    tlg86 said:

    @HYUFD - The bigger story there is that the local elections may be delayed.

    The Beeb have a story about Labour expecting a thrashing at the locals. They may be glad of a delay and a chance for a change of narrative.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    eristdoof said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    They do say that to eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day.

    Did you read that in a book written by J.R.R. Tolkien?
    J R Hartley.
    Fly Fishing?

    Both yellow pages and independent bookshops are things that the internet have pushed in to the category "nostalgia".
    I saw a compilation of Yellow Pages adverts from the 80s & 90s the other day and it made me feel very nostalgic.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,623
    (Decides against "Nowhere near enough, in the minds of most Iranians and their Middle Eastern neighbours" tasteless joke).
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    IanB2 said:

    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    What irks people (and "irk" is, I think, the mot juste) is the completely brainless pandering to all of the typical Telegraph readers' worst instincts. It's the "Two World Wars and One World Cup" school of Brexit.

    Of course, it's best ignored, like most of the Telegraph's output.
    As Henning Wehn says, "What is it with this 'two world wars, one world cup?' I don't remember America ever winning the World Cup!"
    The USA have won the World Cup four times 1991, 1999,2003 and 2019.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2020
    IanB2 said:

    I am increasingly of the view that bacon is only good between heavily buttered slices of bread. On a breakfast plate it is perennially disappointing.

    You could burn it, American style? I got quite fond of their crispy bacon on my trip.
    Burn the heretic!

    American bacon is the devil's creation. You'll be advocating covering it in maple syrup next. *shudders*
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    I’ve never had a breakfast with baked beans on it, can it be ‘full’ without them? In the past I’ve had Sausage, Bacon Egg, mushrooms and toast if that counts. I don’t really eat red meat now so it was all a long time ago

    Have you got something against baked beans?
    It meanz there’s more for you!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    Why did it have to be a diamond?

    Because its pretty and the way it reflects the light is pretty. Because I knew she'd appreciate it.

    Depreciated over our lifetime it costs a tiny fraction of a penny per day that she will wear the ring, so the better question is why not a diamond? What could I better buy her that she will appreciate more for a fraction of a penny?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,940
    edited March 2020

    Does anyone know if Boris Johnson and the government are planning any commemorations for the 80th anniversary of the Royal Navy’s stunning performance at Mers-el-Kébir?

    If the government isn’t making any plans then Boris Johnson is disgracefully unpatriotic.

    Isn't that a bit like celebrating every Saints day?

    If we were doing commemorations of anniversaries of stunning performances through our history we'd never stop doing them. Better to have a few meaningful days to remember our history with, most especially Remembrance Day.
    It is reassuringly British that our two most remembered military triumphs are Dunkirk and the Charge of the Light Brigade.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    Never had a full English breakfast??? Seriously?
    I’ve never had a breakfast with baked beans on it, can it be ‘full’ without them? In the past I’ve had Sausage, Bacon Egg, mushrooms and toast if that counts. I don’t really eat red meat now so it was all a long time ago
    Yes. You can hold any component and it remains full.

    Not eating red meat renders your avoidance of a full English totally understandable.
  • eristdoof said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    They do say that to eat well in England one must have breakfast three times a day.

    Did you read that in a book written by J.R.R. Tolkien?
    J R Hartley.
    Fly Fishing?

    Both yellow pages and independent bookshops are things that the internet have pushed in to the category "nostalgia".
    Nostalgia’s not what it used to be.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    I am increasingly of the view that bacon is only good between heavily buttered slices of bread. On a breakfast plate it is perennially disappointing.

    A butty, surely? With lots of brown sauce to drip down your front.....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    There might be a touch of value backing Biden ( 4.7 ) in the presidential market, his implied price is 2.3 which looks too long.
    Sanders implied price is 2.4 which is probably fair.

    I expect Biden will get a boost in the next batch of H2H polling vs Trump.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    IanB2 said:

    I am increasingly of the view that bacon is only good between heavily buttered slices of bread. On a breakfast plate it is perennially disappointing.

    You could burn it, American style? I got quite fond of their crispy bacon on my trip.
    If you ever stop to think how many rashers one typically gets in America it would scare the living daylights out of you.

    Once, in Kentucky, I asked as a first course for potato skins. There were 18 half potatoes. Not the skins the whole thing. Nine potatoes, covered in loveliness, as a first course.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    I regularly have a full English breakfast. I do not expect that to make the newspapers. Is the suggestion that the UK negotiating team is going to have such furred arteries that they are going to collapse in the face of the elite Brussels team that has prepared with zero fat yoghurt sprinkled with flax seeds and double espressos?

    I don’t think I have ever had one. But it’s fair enough to describe a dish named after our country as ‘patriotic’ for an easy headline. Why would people get bothered by it?
    Never had a full English breakfast??? Seriously?
    I’ve never had a breakfast with baked beans on it, can it be ‘full’ without them? In the past I’ve had Sausage, Bacon Egg, mushrooms and toast if that counts. I don’t really eat red meat now so it was all a long time ago
    Yes. You can hold any component and it remains full.

    Not eating red meat renders your avoidance of a full English totally understandable.
    Depends if you classify pork as white meat or red meat.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Observer, bacon butties are delightful (with tomato sauce, of course).

    I don't really have breakfast, beyond a chocolate bar. I was amused to discover, upon reading Ian Mortimer's Time Traveller's Guide to Medieval England, that my earlier than usual lunchtime (11am) is in keeping with medieval customs.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,940
    IanB2 said:

    I am increasingly of the view that bacon is only good between heavily buttered slices of bread. On a breakfast plate it is perennially disappointing.

    You could burn it, American style? I got quite fond of their crispy bacon on my trip.
    I understand from Jamie Oliver that we eat back bacon and our American cousins prefer streaky. That might be why we need to add fat in the form of butter.
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