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Good morning, everyone.
Rather cold.0 -
Communism. Nothing wrong with the basic idea.OldKingCole said:
Nothing wrong with the basic idea. It's the implementation which is rubbish. Strikes me someone has been too clever by half, as the saying goes.Casino_Royale said:Glad I didn't stay up then.
This is why electronic voting is a bad idea folks.0 -
This guy 👆🏼alex_ said:Got to think that the next Presidential Election is going to be one of the most dangerous points in recent American political history. When all the warnings about US voting systems come home to roost. The potential for legitimately querying the validity of the result is going to be enormous.
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Dear Americans, we might use tiny pencils and vote in plywood booths in village halls, but we had the whole damned election wrapped up by 7am, and the result called.
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American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.OldKingCole said:
What is really worrying is that the Democrats, who aspire to government in one of the most significant countries of the world, have made such a mess of things.alex_ said:
Good ideas which have a high chance of being badly implemented are bad ideas.OldKingCole said:
Nothing wrong with the basic idea. It's the implementation which is rubbish. Strikes me someone has been too clever by half, as the saying goes.Casino_Royale said:Glad I didn't stay up then.
This is why electronic voting is a bad idea folks.
It’s why conservatism (small c) is such an enduring political force.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
Indeed. And if Trump loses he WILL 'query the legitimacy'. Loud and long!alex_ said:Got to think that the next Presidential Election is going to be one of the most dangerous points in recent American political history. When all the warnings about US voting systems come home to roost. The potential for legitimately querying the validity of the result is going to be enormous.
It's amazing that the US claims to be a democracy and hold itself up as an example. No wonder they made such a bog of Iraq.0 -
2000 was also a disaster, and there was reasonable evidence of discrepancies in Ohio in 2004 to favour Bush also. You could argue that Trump 2016 was the only 'fair' win the Republicans have had in 20+ years.alex_ said:Got to think that the next Presidential Election is going to be one of the most dangerous points in recent American political history. When all the warnings about US voting systems come home to roost. The potential for legitimately querying the validity of the result is going to be enormous.
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I’m delighted to announce I have won the Iowa caucus.
America is on course for its second foreign born Muslim President.5 -
Indeed, 640 out of 650 results were in by 6am.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Dear Americans, we might use tiny pencils and vote in plywood booths in village halls, but we had the whole damned election wrapped up by 7am, and the result called.
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From 2000:OldKingCole said:
Indeed. And if Trump loses he WILL 'query the legitimacy'. Loud and long!alex_ said:Got to think that the next Presidential Election is going to be one of the most dangerous points in recent American political history. When all the warnings about US voting systems come home to roost. The potential for legitimately querying the validity of the result is going to be enormous.
It's amazing that the US claims to be a democracy and hold itself up as an example. No wonder they made such a bog of Iraq.
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No, they are stupid already, it just highlights it. some are just more stupid than others.Andy_JS said:Smartphones really are making people stupid aren't they.
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Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.1 -
Nothing better than a glorious sh*tshow. Love it.0
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Nah, this helps Trump.Gallowgate said:Nothing better than a glorious sh*tshow. Love it.
This lot really couldn’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.0 -
Mr. Eagles, I once received electoral support in the United States.
It was the governor election, the first time that Schwarzenegger ended up winning.
I quite like the write-in system.0 -
Agree. And a system which gave one party a considerable vote increase and a reduction in seats hasn't much to commend it.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.OldKingCole said:
What is really worrying is that the Democrats, who aspire to government in one of the most significant countries of the world, have made such a mess of things.alex_ said:
Good ideas which have a high chance of being badly implemented are bad ideas.OldKingCole said:
Nothing wrong with the basic idea. It's the implementation which is rubbish. Strikes me someone has been too clever by half, as the saying goes.Casino_Royale said:Glad I didn't stay up then.
This is why electronic voting is a bad idea folks.
It’s why conservatism (small c) is such an enduring political force.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.
It'll be instructive to watch the Irish go about it. Might take them a bit longer to count than us, but at least the system will be seen to be fair and representative.1 -
Bring back Bill Clinton!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, this helps Trump.Gallowgate said:Nothing better than a glorious sh*tshow. Love it.
This lot really couldn’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.0 -
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
I don't think he's in Boris' league there, is he.ydoethur said:
Bring back Bill Clinton!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, this helps Trump.Gallowgate said:Nothing better than a glorious sh*tshow. Love it.
This lot really couldn’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.0 -
F1: there's a Constructors match bet market on Ladbrokes.
I'm loath to recommend short odds, long term bets... but the 1.14 on Red Bull to beat McLaren should be too good to be true.0 -
Plenty of dictators, despots, and tyrants have won elections. Of course you already know that.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
When did that happen?MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
If you rule out voting booths being "reworked" in Moscow.....rkrkrk said:
2000 was also a disaster, and there was reasonable evidence of discrepancies in Ohio in 2004 to favour Bush also. You could argue that Trump 2016 was the only 'fair' win the Republicans have had in 20+ years.alex_ said:Got to think that the next Presidential Election is going to be one of the most dangerous points in recent American political history. When all the warnings about US voting systems come home to roost. The potential for legitimately querying the validity of the result is going to be enormous.
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And increasing their vote share. 6 elections in a row.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
Yeah, those 99.9% and 100% wins are really "fair". Of course you already knew that......Gallowgate said:
Plenty of dictators, despots, and tyrants have won elections. Of course you already know that.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
Tell me, when did it not?OldKingCole said:
When did that happen?MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
Just got up and hearing about the chaos in Iowa. And the BF odds!
I`ve got a decent-sized interest in Buttigieg winning. Can someone advise me whether I should be laying some of this off, by simply backing Sanders (given that it appears to now be a two-horse race)?0 -
Well off to work. What a farce.0
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I dunno. Johnson would never set foot on a council estate. Clinton would go wherever there were hot girls.OldKingCole said:
I don't think he's in Boris' league there, is he.ydoethur said:
Bring back Bill Clinton!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, this helps Trump.Gallowgate said:Nothing better than a glorious sh*tshow. Love it.
This lot really couldn’t organise a pregnancy on a council estate.0 -
We’re not talking about them.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, those 99.9% and 100% wins are really "fair". Of course you already knew that......Gallowgate said:
Plenty of dictators, despots, and tyrants have won elections. Of course you already know that.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
Usually everyone knows that in advance.Gallowgate said:
Plenty of dictators, despots, and tyrants have won elections. Of course you already know that.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.0 -
Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..0 -
Seriously, the best claim to fame of anyone on pb.com.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, I once received electoral support in the United States.
It was the governor election, the first time that Schwarzenegger ended up winning.
I quite like the write-in system.
" I once received electoral support in the United States."
Unless Bill Clinton lurks here, that must be a one-off. Kudos.0 -
I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.0 -
My point was that winning elections doesn’t mean you’re immune from criticism of harming democracy.ydoethur said:
Usually everyone knows that in advance.Gallowgate said:
Plenty of dictators, despots, and tyrants have won elections. Of course you already know that.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.
For example Poland’s democratically elected government’s actions regarding an independent judiciary.
Of course Hugo Chavez was elected fairly the first time.
And the famous Austrian bloke...
I’m not saying that the current Government is any of these things, I’m just saying that @MarqueeMark ’s childish drivel is just that.0 -
Not being associated with this Iowa fiasco is probably good luck.Casino_Royale said:I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.0 -
Electronic voting:Not Even Once.
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Electronic vote counting is fine, you just need paper ballots with a paper trail.Alistair said:Electronic voting:Not Even Once.
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Difference being, on would prove electable.ydoethur said:
Whereas it would look really good to have consecutive candidates who were the wives of previous Presidents...MarqueeMark said:
Just draft Michelle Obama and make a contest of it.speedy2 said:
The path of being useless.rcs1000 said:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224566143043674112?s=19
The path being no usable results?
Because, Democrats, at this point it ain't.....
I mean, really America, Michelle Obama or Donald Trump. Who you gonna call?0 -
I hear the SNP are planning on conducting the second Indyref with electronic voting.Alistair said:Electronic voting:Not Even Once.
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Yes, but any close election always has the potential for such issues. The difference next time will be the lack of any moderating force within the political and party establishments to rein the candidates back. The crazies control the show. And have a lot of guns.rkrkrk said:
2000 was also a disaster, and there was reasonable evidence of discrepancies in Ohio in 2004 to favour Bush also. You could argue that Trump 2016 was the only 'fair' win the Republicans have had in 20+ years.alex_ said:Got to think that the next Presidential Election is going to be one of the most dangerous points in recent American political history. When all the warnings about US voting systems come home to roost. The potential for legitimately querying the validity of the result is going to be enormous.
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Is @TheGreenMachine about?OldKingCole said:
Agree. And a system which gave one party a considerable vote increase and a reduction in seats hasn't much to commend it.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.OldKingCole said:
What is really worrying is that the Democrats, who aspire to government in one of the most significant countries of the world, have made such a mess of things.alex_ said:
Good ideas which have a high chance of being badly implemented are bad ideas.OldKingCole said:
Nothing wrong with the basic idea. It's the implementation which is rubbish. Strikes me someone has been too clever by half, as the saying goes.Casino_Royale said:Glad I didn't stay up then.
This is why electronic voting is a bad idea folks.
It’s why conservatism (small c) is such an enduring political force.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.
It'll be instructive to watch the Irish go about it. Might take them a bit longer to count than us, but at least the system will be seen to be fair and representative.
What in the Good Friday Agreement triggers a border poll on reunification of Ireland?0 -
Mr. Mark, ha, thanks. I'd be surprised if we didn't have at least one or two American political types (even if lurking rather than posting) here.0
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Oh the last one was fair. It's the next one I'm worried about.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.
You know, when the Tories have redrawn the constituency maps (they're openly briefing they'll do this to shore up future majorities), scrapped broadcast rules on fair coverage and generally imported voter suppression tactics from the US.0 -
The orangutan was unelectable the first time. He was still elected.MarqueeMark said:
Difference being, on would prove electable.ydoethur said:
Whereas it would look really good to have consecutive candidates who were the wives of previous Presidents...MarqueeMark said:
Just draft Michelle Obama and make a contest of it.speedy2 said:
The path of being useless.rcs1000 said:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224566143043674112?s=19
The path being no usable results?
Because, Democrats, at this point it ain't.....
I mean, really America, Michelle Obama or Donald Trump. Who you gonna call?
What has Michelle Obama actually done in her life to be a serious contender in her own right? Clinton had at least been a senator and cabinet minister.0 -
I feel your pain. Fortunately I only dipped my toe in that pool of mud.Casino_Royale said:I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.0 -
I presume the Republican version of last night's proceedings has concluded without obvious hitches?
In which case, has Donald Trump become the first person in history to win the Iowa caucus for both parties on the same night?1 -
Good thread on the proposed EU negotiating mandate.
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Given that she has resisted every suggestion even to consider such a thing, the judgmental tone is a little unfair.ydoethur said:
The orangutan was unelectable the first time. He was still elected.MarqueeMark said:
Difference being, on would prove electable.ydoethur said:
Whereas it would look really good to have consecutive candidates who were the wives of previous Presidents...MarqueeMark said:
Just draft Michelle Obama and make a contest of it.speedy2 said:
The path of being useless.rcs1000 said:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224566143043674112?s=19
The path being no usable results?
Because, Democrats, at this point it ain't.....
I mean, really America, Michelle Obama or Donald Trump. Who you gonna call?
What has Michelle Obama actually done in her life to be a serious contender in her own right? Clinton had at least been a senator and cabinet minister.
And OTOH, she has at least not been a scofflaw and grifter all her life, which is one up on Trump.
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They had an app, but failed to test it properly. Amazing.0
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Ah so Vanilla created the app.Andy_JS said:They had an app, but failed to test it properly. Amazing.
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It’s far too myopic to say that low tech/no tech solutions are anachronistic and high tech ones must be better/more efficient.TGOHF666 said:Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..
Democracy has to be seen to be believed. At its core that depends upon a secret physical vote being cast against a registered voter. It’s not all about speed. The ballot boxes and votes need to be seen being counted and tallied by all sides, so they are accepted. There also needs to be an audit trail of where the votes came (not who cast them) from that’s reviewable.
Our system works because it’s physical and transparent. We’re also pretty darn efficient at counting them too.0 -
Was not the new system of reporting the caucus results brought in only because of Sanders complaints about how it was run last time around ... ?0
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She's also written a book. That people have read....Nigelb said:
Given that she has resisted every suggestion even to consider such a thing, the judgmental tone is a little unfair.ydoethur said:
The orangutan was unelectable the first time. He was still elected.MarqueeMark said:
Difference being, on would prove electable.ydoethur said:
Whereas it would look really good to have consecutive candidates who were the wives of previous Presidents...MarqueeMark said:
Just draft Michelle Obama and make a contest of it.speedy2 said:
The path of being useless.rcs1000 said:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224566143043674112?s=19
The path being no usable results?
Because, Democrats, at this point it ain't.....
I mean, really America, Michelle Obama or Donald Trump. Who you gonna call?
What has Michelle Obama actually done in her life to be a serious contender in her own right? Clinton had at least been a senator and cabinet minister.
And OTOH, she has at least not been a scofflaw and grifter all her life, which is one up on Trump.0 -
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.Casino_Royale said:
It’s far too myopic to say that low tech/no tech solutions are anachronistic and high tech ones must be better/more efficient.TGOHF666 said:Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..
Democracy has to be seen to be believed. At its core that depends upon a secret physical vote being cast against a registered voter. It’s not all about speed. The ballot boxes and votes need to be seen being counted and tallied by all sides, so they are accepted. There also needs to be an audit trail of where the votes came (not who cast them) from that’s reviewable.
Our system works because it’s physical and transparent. We’re also pretty darn efficient at counting them too.
Whether you think that the other factors outweigh this is of course a matter of opinion.1 -
I didn’t mean to sound judgemental. I was simply pointing out facts. Facts Michelle Obama clearly understands perfectly well herself because, as you say, she has always firmly rejected any idea that she should run.Nigelb said:
Given that she has resisted every suggestion even to consider such a thing, the judgmental tone is a little unfair.ydoethur said:
The orangutan was unelectable the first time. He was still elected.MarqueeMark said:
Difference being, on would prove electable.ydoethur said:
Whereas it would look really good to have consecutive candidates who were the wives of previous Presidents...MarqueeMark said:
Just draft Michelle Obama and make a contest of it.speedy2 said:
The path of being useless.rcs1000 said:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224566143043674112?s=19
The path being no usable results?
Because, Democrats, at this point it ain't.....
I mean, really America, Michelle Obama or Donald Trump. Who you gonna call?
What has Michelle Obama actually done in her life to be a serious contender in her own right? Clinton had at least been a senator and cabinet minister.
And OTOH, she has at least not been a scofflaw and grifter all her life, which is one up on Trump.
She’s a lot more self aware than those who put her forward as some kind of panacea.
What the Democrats need is a credible candidate who isn’t a survivor from the Ark. Somehow, they’ve ended up without one. Where are the likes of Evan Bayh and Andrew Cuomo?0 -
Seriously? Trump would even win the popular vote this time, if that happened.MarqueeMark said:
Difference being, on would prove electable.ydoethur said:
Whereas it would look really good to have consecutive candidates who were the wives of previous Presidents...MarqueeMark said:
Just draft Michelle Obama and make a contest of it.speedy2 said:
The path of being useless.rcs1000 said:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224566143043674112?s=19
The path being no usable results?
Because, Democrats, at this point it ain't.....
I mean, really America, Michelle Obama or Donald Trump. Who you gonna call?
And that's before considering the Sanders supporters who won't vote for anyone who's a registered Democrat on principle.0 -
More ignorant comments about the SNP, look closer to home for ignoring democracy for an example, take too long to list everything.Philip_Thompson said:
Thanks what about the other questions?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sinn Fein is organised on an all-Ireland basis. There is no "Northern Ireland" or "Republic" Sinn Fein.Philip_Thompson said:Does anyone know how integrated the Republic's Sinn Fein party is with Northern Ireland's Sinn Fein party?
And Sinn Fein signed the Good Friday Agreement 23 years ago agreeing to settle Ireland's future peacefully. Does the Republic's Sinn Fein stand by that? Does their manifesto and campaigning actually concentrate on constitutional issues [like the SNP] or does it concentrate on domestic matters?
Are they campaigning on constitutional change demanding a border poll while ignoring other issues, like the SNP? Or are they campaigning on more mundane domestic matters?
Why do they keep winning elections with increasing majorities after 13 years, use a brain cell and try not to let your bias blind you.0 -
Unless and until they do - you da man......Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Mark, ha, thanks. I'd be surprised if we didn't have at least one or two American political types (even if lurking rather than posting) here.
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What serious problems?Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.Casino_Royale said:
It’s far too myopic to say that low tech/no tech solutions are anachronistic and high tech ones must be better/more efficient.TGOHF666 said:Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..
Democracy has to be seen to be believed. At its core that depends upon a secret physical vote being cast against a registered voter. It’s not all about speed. The ballot boxes and votes need to be seen being counted and tallied by all sides, so they are accepted. There also needs to be an audit trail of where the votes came (not who cast them) from that’s reviewable.
Our system works because it’s physical and transparent. We’re also pretty darn efficient at counting them too.
Whether you think that the other factors outweigh this is of course a matter of opinion.0 -
Someone else who doesn't have a good side of the bed to get out of.....Gallowgate said:
My point was that winning elections doesn’t mean you’re immune from criticism of harming democracy.ydoethur said:
Usually everyone knows that in advance.Gallowgate said:
Plenty of dictators, despots, and tyrants have won elections. Of course you already know that.MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, them keep winning fair elections, it's a bitch for democracy.....rkrkrk said:
Indeed. Brexit I can live with - it's the damage the Tories are doing to our democracy that's the real problem.Foxy said:
American elections are always a bit of a farce, with states being called on a fraction of votes, California taking forever, faithless electors etc, rampant voter suppression and gerrymandering. Not to mention an impeachment trial that refuses to examine witnesses or evidence.
Mind you our own system of democracy doesn't look very healthy either, with illegal prorogation and a refusal to debate a Withdrawal Agreement that seems not to have been read or understood by the Prime Minister.
For example Poland’s democratically elected government’s actions regarding an independent judiciary.
Of course Hugo Chavez was elected fairly the first time.
And the famous Austrian bloke...
I’m not saying that the current Government is any of these things, I’m just saying that @MarqueeMark ’s childish drivel is just that.0 -
The consequences of permafrost thaw are likely worse than previously thought:
https://phys.org/news/2020-02-arctic-permafrost-greater-role-climate.html
"The impacts from abrupt thaw are not represented in any existing global model and our findings indicate that this could amplify the permafrost climate-carbon feedback by up to a factor of two, thereby exacerbating the problem of permissible emissions to stay below specific climate change targets," said David Lawrence, of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) and a coauthor of the study....0 -
I could have predicted this response. You know full well.Casino_Royale said:
What serious problems?Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.Casino_Royale said:
It’s far too myopic to say that low tech/no tech solutions are anachronistic and high tech ones must be better/more efficient.TGOHF666 said:Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..
Democracy has to be seen to be believed. At its core that depends upon a secret physical vote being cast against a registered voter. It’s not all about speed. The ballot boxes and votes need to be seen being counted and tallied by all sides, so they are accepted. There also needs to be an audit trail of where the votes came (not who cast them) from that’s reviewable.
Our system works because it’s physical and transparent. We’re also pretty darn efficient at counting them too.
Whether you think that the other factors outweigh this is of course a matter of opinion.0 -
Thanks. I got greedy.Nigelb said:
I feel your pain. Fortunately I only dipped my toe in that pool of mud.Casino_Royale said:I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.
So now comes the hubris.
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Because being ~10% of the nation they go for the only party that is dedicated to getting the most for that 10%. Labour and the Lib Dems took their Scottish voters for granted and offer nothing, the Tories offer sensible centre-right politics but there's not much call for that when Scotland isn't independent and is tied to Westminster.malcolmg said:
More ignorant comments about the SNP, look closer to home for ignoring democracy for an example, take too long to list everything.Philip_Thompson said:
Thanks what about the other questions?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sinn Fein is organised on an all-Ireland basis. There is no "Northern Ireland" or "Republic" Sinn Fein.Philip_Thompson said:Does anyone know how integrated the Republic's Sinn Fein party is with Northern Ireland's Sinn Fein party?
And Sinn Fein signed the Good Friday Agreement 23 years ago agreeing to settle Ireland's future peacefully. Does the Republic's Sinn Fein stand by that? Does their manifesto and campaigning actually concentrate on constitutional issues [like the SNP] or does it concentrate on domestic matters?
Are they campaigning on constitutional change demanding a border poll while ignoring other issues, like the SNP? Or are they campaigning on more mundane domestic matters?
Why do they keep winning elections with increasing majorities after 13 years, use a brain cell and try not to let your bias blind you.
If and when Scotland is independent then things will evolve differently.0 -
Would you lay Bloomberg now (if you hadn`t already)?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. I got greedy.Nigelb said:
I feel your pain. Fortunately I only dipped my toe in that pool of mud.Casino_Royale said:I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.
So now comes the hubris.0 -
Do you mean ‘nemesis?’Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. I got greedy.Nigelb said:
I feel your pain. Fortunately I only dipped my toe in that pool of mud.Casino_Royale said:I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.
So now comes the hubris.0 -
Bernie Campaign numbers:
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1224590000089636866Sanders: 29.66%
Not quite enough to knock out any of the top five.
Buttigieg 24.59%
Warren: 21.24%
Biden: 12.375
KLOBUCHAR 11%0 -
“Sensible centre-right politics”. Haha.Philip_Thompson said:
Because being ~10% of the nation they go for the only party that is dedicated to getting the most for that 10%. Labour and the Lib Dems took their Scottish voters for granted and offer nothing, the Tories offer sensible centre-right politics but there's not much call for that when Scotland isn't independent and is tied to Westminster.malcolmg said:
More ignorant comments about the SNP, look closer to home for ignoring democracy for an example, take too long to list everything.Philip_Thompson said:
Thanks what about the other questions?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sinn Fein is organised on an all-Ireland basis. There is no "Northern Ireland" or "Republic" Sinn Fein.Philip_Thompson said:Does anyone know how integrated the Republic's Sinn Fein party is with Northern Ireland's Sinn Fein party?
And Sinn Fein signed the Good Friday Agreement 23 years ago agreeing to settle Ireland's future peacefully. Does the Republic's Sinn Fein stand by that? Does their manifesto and campaigning actually concentrate on constitutional issues [like the SNP] or does it concentrate on domestic matters?
Are they campaigning on constitutional change demanding a border poll while ignoring other issues, like the SNP? Or are they campaigning on more mundane domestic matters?
Why do they keep winning elections with increasing majorities after 13 years, use a brain cell and try not to let your bias blind you.
If and when Scotland is independent then things will evolve differently.0 -
Peterborough ?Gallowgate said:
I could have predicted this response. You know full well.Casino_Royale said:
What serious problems?Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.Casino_Royale said:
It’s far too myopic to say that low tech/no tech solutions are anachronistic and high tech ones must be better/more efficient.TGOHF666 said:Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..
Democracy has to be seen to be believed. At its core that depends upon a secret physical vote being cast against a registered voter. It’s not all about speed. The ballot boxes and votes need to be seen being counted and tallied by all sides, so they are accepted. There also needs to be an audit trail of where the votes came (not who cast them) from that’s reviewable.
Our system works because it’s physical and transparent. We’re also pretty darn efficient at counting them too.
Whether you think that the other factors outweigh this is of course a matter of opinion.
Votes should be cast on the day in the booth - unless you are dead.0 -
For serious and unreformed offenders? Yes, for life if need be.DavidL said:
Up to a point. With the current regime we already lock up more for longer than any other Western European country. Do we really want to double this?rcs1000 said:As always, @Cyclefree nails it.
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“Represent the results from nearly 40%....” - ie this statement is entirely self serving, and unlikely to represent an accurate result.edmundintokyo said:Bernie Campaign numbers:
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1224590000089636866
Bernie: 29.66
Buttigeig 24.59
Warren: 21.24
Biden: 12.37
KLOBUCHAR 11%
Not quite enough to knock out any of the top five.2 -
Who’s going to pay for it?Philip_Thompson said:
For serious and unreformed offenders? Yes, for life if need be.DavidL said:
Up to a point. With the current regime we already lock up more for longer than any other Western European country. Do we really want to double this?rcs1000 said:As always, @Cyclefree nails it.
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None of the London sock puppet parties offer anything for Scotland. The SNP are a Scottish party whose only interest is Scotland and making it a better place.Philip_Thompson said:
Because being ~10% of the nation they go for the only party that is dedicated to getting the most for that 10%. Labour and the Lib Dems took their Scottish voters for granted and offer nothing, the Tories offer sensible centre-right politics but there's not much call for that when Scotland isn't independent and is tied to Westminster.malcolmg said:
More ignorant comments about the SNP, look closer to home for ignoring democracy for an example, take too long to list everything.Philip_Thompson said:
Thanks what about the other questions?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sinn Fein is organised on an all-Ireland basis. There is no "Northern Ireland" or "Republic" Sinn Fein.Philip_Thompson said:Does anyone know how integrated the Republic's Sinn Fein party is with Northern Ireland's Sinn Fein party?
And Sinn Fein signed the Good Friday Agreement 23 years ago agreeing to settle Ireland's future peacefully. Does the Republic's Sinn Fein stand by that? Does their manifesto and campaigning actually concentrate on constitutional issues [like the SNP] or does it concentrate on domestic matters?
Are they campaigning on constitutional change demanding a border poll while ignoring other issues, like the SNP? Or are they campaigning on more mundane domestic matters?
Why do they keep winning elections with increasing majorities after 13 years, use a brain cell and try not to let your bias blind you.
If and when Scotland is independent then things will evolve differently.0 -
Seems to be an irregular verb on my train this morning - lady next to me blew her nose but starting googling the latest from China when she saw me doing the same:
I have a cold
You have coronavirus
We are all fucked2 -
Taxes. Keeping the public safe is the first responsibility of government. The criminal justice system should be fully funded.Gallowgate said:
Who’s going to pay for it?Philip_Thompson said:
For serious and unreformed offenders? Yes, for life if need be.DavidL said:
Up to a point. With the current regime we already lock up more for longer than any other Western European country. Do we really want to double this?rcs1000 said:As always, @Cyclefree nails it.
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Well at least we agree on that.Philip_Thompson said:
Taxes. Keeping the public safe is the first responsibility of government. The criminal justice system should be fully funded.Gallowgate said:
Who’s going to pay for it?Philip_Thompson said:
For serious and unreformed offenders? Yes, for life if need be.DavidL said:
Up to a point. With the current regime we already lock up more for longer than any other Western European country. Do we really want to double this?rcs1000 said:As always, @Cyclefree nails it.
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That's basically what I said in my first sentence.malcolmg said:
None of the London sock puppet parties offer anything for Scotland. The SNP are a Scottish party whose only interest is Scotland and making it a better place.Philip_Thompson said:
Because being ~10% of the nation they go for the only party that is dedicated to getting the most for that 10%. Labour and the Lib Dems took their Scottish voters for granted and offer nothing, the Tories offer sensible centre-right politics but there's not much call for that when Scotland isn't independent and is tied to Westminster.malcolmg said:
More ignorant comments about the SNP, look closer to home for ignoring democracy for an example, take too long to list everything.Philip_Thompson said:
Thanks what about the other questions?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sinn Fein is organised on an all-Ireland basis. There is no "Northern Ireland" or "Republic" Sinn Fein.Philip_Thompson said:Does anyone know how integrated the Republic's Sinn Fein party is with Northern Ireland's Sinn Fein party?
And Sinn Fein signed the Good Friday Agreement 23 years ago agreeing to settle Ireland's future peacefully. Does the Republic's Sinn Fein stand by that? Does their manifesto and campaigning actually concentrate on constitutional issues [like the SNP] or does it concentrate on domestic matters?
Are they campaigning on constitutional change demanding a border poll while ignoring other issues, like the SNP? Or are they campaigning on more mundane domestic matters?
Why do they keep winning elections with increasing majorities after 13 years, use a brain cell and try not to let your bias blind you.
If and when Scotland is independent then things will evolve differently.
That's why I believe Scotland SHOULD go independent.0 -
Yes.Stocky said:
Would you lay Bloomberg now (if you hadn`t already)?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. I got greedy.Nigelb said:
I feel your pain. Fortunately I only dipped my toe in that pool of mud.Casino_Royale said:I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.
So now comes the hubris.0 -
Some sort of prison colony on a South Atlantic Island ?Philip_Thompson said:
Taxes. Keeping the public safe is the first responsibility of government. The criminal justice system should be fully funded.Gallowgate said:
Who’s going to pay for it?Philip_Thompson said:
For serious and unreformed offenders? Yes, for life if need be.DavidL said:
Up to a point. With the current regime we already lock up more for longer than any other Western European country. Do we really want to double this?rcs1000 said:As always, @Cyclefree nails it.
Parachute supplies in once a month.0 -
I’m afraid I don’t.Gallowgate said:
I could have predicted this response. You know full well.Casino_Royale said:
What serious problems?Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.Casino_Royale said:
It’s far too myopic to say that low tech/no tech solutions are anachronistic and high tech ones must be better/more efficient.TGOHF666 said:Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..
Democracy has to be seen to be believed. At its core that depends upon a secret physical vote being cast against a registered voter. It’s not all about speed. The ballot boxes and votes need to be seen being counted and tallied by all sides, so they are accepted. There also needs to be an audit trail of where the votes came (not who cast them) from that’s reviewable.
Our system works because it’s physical and transparent. We’re also pretty darn efficient at counting them too.
Whether you think that the other factors outweigh this is of course a matter of opinion.
Have you had your coffee this morning yet?0 -
Yes , we agree.Philip_Thompson said:
That's basically what I said in my first sentence.malcolmg said:
None of the London sock puppet parties offer anything for Scotland. The SNP are a Scottish party whose only interest is Scotland and making it a better place.Philip_Thompson said:
Because being ~10% of the nation they go for the only party that is dedicated to getting the most for that 10%. Labour and the Lib Dems took their Scottish voters for granted and offer nothing, the Tories offer sensible centre-right politics but there's not much call for that when Scotland isn't independent and is tied to Westminster.malcolmg said:
More ignorant comments about the SNP, look closer to home for ignoring democracy for an example, take too long to list everything.Philip_Thompson said:
Thanks what about the other questions?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sinn Fein is organised on an all-Ireland basis. There is no "Northern Ireland" or "Republic" Sinn Fein.Philip_Thompson said:Does anyone know how integrated the Republic's Sinn Fein party is with Northern Ireland's Sinn Fein party?
And Sinn Fein signed the Good Friday Agreement 23 years ago agreeing to settle Ireland's future peacefully. Does the Republic's Sinn Fein stand by that? Does their manifesto and campaigning actually concentrate on constitutional issues [like the SNP] or does it concentrate on domestic matters?
Are they campaigning on constitutional change demanding a border poll while ignoring other issues, like the SNP? Or are they campaigning on more mundane domestic matters?
Why do they keep winning elections with increasing majorities after 13 years, use a brain cell and try not to let your bias blind you.
If and when Scotland is independent then things will evolve differently.
That's why I believe Scotland SHOULD go independent.1 -
You don't just get to make that statement without being called out.Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.
Within the past decade we had a nationwide vote on whether to change the voting system. (Admittedly, only because a party with 57 of the 650 seats - down 5 on their previous showing - insisted. Democracy, huh?)
The voters went away, thought about it - and said "Nah. You're alright. We'll stick with what we know." So that recently democratically-endorsed system is the one we use.
Excuse me, but I'm seeing fuck all unfairness there. Just a bad loser.3 -
Not quite enough to knock out any of the top five.edmundintokyo said:Bernie Campaign numbers:
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1224590000089636866Sanders: 29.66%
Buttigieg 24.59%
Warren: 21.24%
Biden: 12.375
KLOBUCHAR 11%
Bad for Biden, good for Mayor Pete, Bizzie Lizzie and Amy if those are correct.1 -
She'd win independents 3-1.Endillion said:
Seriously? Trump would even win the popular vote this time, if that happened.MarqueeMark said:
Difference being, on would prove electable.ydoethur said:
Whereas it would look really good to have consecutive candidates who were the wives of previous Presidents...MarqueeMark said:
Just draft Michelle Obama and make a contest of it.speedy2 said:
The path of being useless.rcs1000 said:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224566143043674112?s=19
The path being no usable results?
Because, Democrats, at this point it ain't.....
I mean, really America, Michelle Obama or Donald Trump. Who you gonna call?
And that's before considering the Sanders supporters who won't vote for anyone who's a registered Democrat on principle.
And she would re-energise the black vote, that stayed home for Hillary.0 -
Indeed. Our system rewards parties which get more votes and not those that get fewer votes.MarqueeMark said:
You don't just get to make that statement without being called out.Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.
Within the past decade we had a nationwide vote on whether to change the voting system. (Admittedly, only because a party with 57 of the 650 seats - down 5 on their previous showing - insisted. Democracy, huh?)
The voters went away, thought about it - and said "Nah. You're alright. We'll stick with what we know." So that recently democratically-endorsed system is the one we use.
Excuse me, but I'm seeing fuck all unfairness there. Just a bad loser.
Rather than trying to get more votes we get poor losers whining about the voting system instead.
Here's food for thought for any complainants - take the beam out of your own eye and figure out why voters aren't backing your party.1 -
I’m afraid I don’t.Gallowgate said:
I could have predicted this response. You know full well.Casino_Royale said:
What serious problems?Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.Casino_Royale said:
It’s far too myopic to say that low tech/no tech solutions are anachronistic and high tech ones must be better/more efficient.TGOHF666 said:Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..
Democracy has to be seen to be believed. At its core that depends upon a secret physical vote being cast against a registered voter. It’s not all about speed. The ballot boxes and votes need to be seen being counted and tallied by all sides, so they are accepted. There also needs to be an audit trail of where the votes came (not who cast them) from that’s reviewable.
Our system works because it’s physical and transparent. We’re also pretty darn efficient at counting them too.
Whether you think that the other factors outweigh this is of course a matter of opinion.
Have you had your coffee this morning yet?0 -
Thanks - by the way Mr Royale, I preferred your analysis of the Parliament Square Brexit celebrations over SeanT`s. I was there all afternoon until past midnight. I haven`t posted about it yet, but suffice it to say that my wife and I felt ashamed about what we saw.Casino_Royale said:
Yes.Stocky said:
Would you lay Bloomberg now (if you hadn`t already)?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. I got greedy.Nigelb said:
I feel your pain. Fortunately I only dipped my toe in that pool of mud.Casino_Royale said:I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.
So now comes the hubris.0 -
What it does strongly suggest is that Buttigieg did very well indeed. He's 10-1 on Betfair for the nomination - I suspect that will shorten when the official results appear.Nigelb said:
“Represent the results from nearly 40%....” - ie this statement is entirely self serving, and unlikely to represent an accurate result.edmundintokyo said:Bernie Campaign numbers:
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1224590000089636866
Bernie: 29.66
Buttigeig 24.59
Warren: 21.24
Biden: 12.37
KLOBUCHAR 11%
Not quite enough to knock out any of the top five.
Incidentally, I no longer think that most US voters don't think of the candidates mainly in moderate vs liberal terms. Nearly everyone interviewed on CNN (before I went to bed at 1) was doing exactly that, and voting accordingly.0 -
That would utterly screw the Tory party as the largest user of postal votes are (elderly) Tories.TGOHF666 said:
Peterborough ?Gallowgate said:
I could have predicted this response. You know full well.Casino_Royale said:
What serious problems?Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.Casino_Royale said:
It’s far too myopic to say that low tech/no tech solutions are anachronistic and high tech ones must be better/more efficient.TGOHF666 said:Pencil, paper - most votes the winner.
Not hard innit.
I fully expect Jezza/RLB to call for electronic voter tweet hubs in Lidl within 48hrs..
Democracy has to be seen to be believed. At its core that depends upon a secret physical vote being cast against a registered voter. It’s not all about speed. The ballot boxes and votes need to be seen being counted and tallied by all sides, so they are accepted. There also needs to be an audit trail of where the votes came (not who cast them) from that’s reviewable.
Our system works because it’s physical and transparent. We’re also pretty darn efficient at counting them too.
Whether you think that the other factors outweigh this is of course a matter of opinion.
Votes should be cast on the day in the booth - unless you are dead.0 -
Seems like that, although I guess the places where Bernie has a volunteer who's on top of things skew young and/or urban, which I think would favour Mayor Pete over the other moderates.NickPalmer said:
What it does strongly suggest is that Buttigieg did very well indeed. He's 10-1 on Betfair for the nomination - I suspect that will shorten when the official results appear.Nigelb said:
“Represent the results from nearly 40%....” - ie this statement is entirely self serving, and unlikely to represent an accurate result.edmundintokyo said:Bernie Campaign numbers:
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1224590000089636866
Bernie: 29.66
Buttigeig 24.59
Warren: 21.24
Biden: 12.37
KLOBUCHAR 11%
Not quite enough to knock out any of the top five.
Incidentally, I no longer think that most US voters don't think of the candidates mainly in moderate vs liberal terms. Nearly everyone interviewed on CNN (before I went to bed at 1) was doing exactly that, and voting accordingly.0 -
Not sure on the former, especially considering the circumstances that would be required to get her on the ballot paper. I can't see how that happens without her being forced to spend the whole campaign defending her legitimacy as the candidate.MarqueeMark said:
She'd win independents 3-1.Endillion said:
Seriously? Trump would even win the popular vote this time, if that happened.MarqueeMark said:
Difference being, on would prove electable.ydoethur said:
Whereas it would look really good to have consecutive candidates who were the wives of previous Presidents...MarqueeMark said:
Just draft Michelle Obama and make a contest of it.speedy2 said:
The path of being useless.rcs1000 said:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224566143043674112?s=19
The path being no usable results?
Because, Democrats, at this point it ain't.....
I mean, really America, Michelle Obama or Donald Trump. Who you gonna call?
And that's before considering the Sanders supporters who won't vote for anyone who's a registered Democrat on principle.
And she would re-energise the black vote, that stayed home for Hillary.
And I just cannot see her winning the rust belt. To me, she comes across as an even more preachy version of Jo Swinson.0 -
Don’t be silly. The losers are generally part of the progressive majority. Just a majority where they don’t agree on anything. Except they are not Tories. Except those masquerading as being in the progressive majority that they disagree with.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Our system rewards parties which get more votes and not those that get fewer votes.MarqueeMark said:
You don't just get to make that statement without being called out.Gallowgate said:
It also has to be fair and you know full well there are serious problems with our system in this department.
Within the past decade we had a nationwide vote on whether to change the voting system. (Admittedly, only because a party with 57 of the 650 seats - down 5 on their previous showing - insisted. Democracy, huh?)
The voters went away, thought about it - and said "Nah. You're alright. We'll stick with what we know." So that recently democratically-endorsed system is the one we use.
Excuse me, but I'm seeing fuck all unfairness there. Just a bad loser.
Rather than trying to get more votes we get poor losers whining about the voting system instead.
Here's food for thought for any complainants - take the beam out of your own eye and figure out why voters aren't backing your party.0 -
Were those interviewed representative of 'most US voters', though ?NickPalmer said:
What it does strongly suggest is that Buttigieg did very well indeed. He's 10-1 on Betfair for the nomination - I suspect that will shorten when the official results appear.Nigelb said:
“Represent the results from nearly 40%....” - ie this statement is entirely self serving, and unlikely to represent an accurate result.edmundintokyo said:Bernie Campaign numbers:
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1224590000089636866
Bernie: 29.66
Buttigeig 24.59
Warren: 21.24
Biden: 12.37
KLOBUCHAR 11%
Not quite enough to knock out any of the top five.
Incidentally, I no longer think that most US voters don't think of the candidates mainly in moderate vs liberal terms. Nearly everyone interviewed on CNN (before I went to bed at 1) was doing exactly that, and voting accordingly.
If they were caucusgoers, then almost certainly not.0 -
Thanks.Stocky said:
Thanks - by the way Mr Royale, I preferred your analysis of the Parliament Square Brexit celebrations over SeanT`s. I was there all afternoon until past midnight. I haven`t posted about it yet, but suffice it to say that my wife and I felt ashamed about what we saw.Casino_Royale said:
Yes.Stocky said:
Would you lay Bloomberg now (if you hadn`t already)?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. I got greedy.Nigelb said:
I feel your pain. Fortunately I only dipped my toe in that pool of mud.Casino_Royale said:I am very heavily underwater on Bloomberg now.
The guy just keeps shortening.
I’m hoping I’m like Michael Burry in the Big Short, but I’m starting to worry I might end up more like Nick Leeson.
So now comes the hubris.0 -
Phuket.
I’ve shorted Biden down a few hundred and topped up on Pete.0 -
For the nom or Iowa?Casino_Royale said:Phuket.
I’ve shorted Biden down a few hundred and topped up on Pete.0 -
Pretty standard way to settle a tie...Alistair said:2
