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I guess since we just lost one of those things, it’s a bit raw tonight.Casino_Royale said:
Indeed, but there is something unpatriotic about celebrating nothing of the many good things this country stands for or has to offer.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
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Absolutely.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
What a shame some Remainers can’t find anything in their own country to celebrate?0 -
I think everyone will come to realise that over time and the hyperbole of both sides in this debate will look ever more absurd.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.3 -
God, that’s a weak argument.Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.0 -
Excitement.kle4 said:
Why would that be? Nervousness? Excitement? Secret shame?TheGreenMachine said:I believe the people who supported Brexit won't sleep tonight.
If it's the latter id say it's usually wrong to assume people dont mean what they say, and anyone still a leaver wont regret that tonight. If it's the middle I doubt many are so enthused they'll give up a night's rest about it. If it's the first, well, leaps like this will cause disquiet even for many supporters, but the nerves will be there tomorrow so of course they'll sleep.0 -
I thought it was a menswear shop in Romford!rcs1000 said:
"Bacchus", that's a suspiciously foreign sounding word. Are you sure it's not secretly Greek wine?isam said:
The only bottle of white in our fridge is from the Bolney Estate in Sussex. I feel a bit of a wally drinking a glass of it tonight, but it’s only because there’s nothing else, not because of Brexit!Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
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How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.Jonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.0 -
You’d be wrong since, err, just as we were leaving the EU he was listening to the EU national anthem.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
If you’re going to find a trench to fight in at least find one not filled with water.0 -
What a twat and when you are sober tomorrow you will rightly be embarrassed at your twattishness.Casino_Royale said:
Indeed, but there is something unpatriotic about celebrating nothing of the many good things this country stands for or has to offer.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.0 -
Any remoaners on here or have they been banned?0
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Yes, but with a Bulgarian spouse you are less restricted in your rights than someone without an EU spouse. It is a simple matter of fact.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, wrong dummy.Foxy said:
Though with an EU spouse you have other ways to keep your FoM as I understand.Casino_Royale said:Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.Beibheirli_C said:
I am notCasino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The lastRobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.
I have British citizenship alone, am not eligible or interested in applying for any other (ever) and my wife voted Leave too.
I never asked for EU citizenship, nor wanted it, so spare me your crocodile tears.
It is perfectly reasonable for those who can to acquire an Irish or other EU passport in order to retain their freedoms. Unfortunately I cannot.1 -
I think they (we) all can. They may not all be things you’d celebrate, though. That’s how it works. Just as you regard Brexit as being a fantastic act of patriotism, others see it completely differently - and equally as genuinely. They perhaps don’t feel like celebrating tonight because they feel the country they love has taken a wrong and damaging turn.Casino_Royale said:
Absolutely.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
What a shame some Remainers can’t find anything in their own country to celebrate?
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So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?1 -
You think Brexiteers deserve to be treated with a behaviour that you’re caricaturing contemptuously to justify your own counter behaviour.Jonathan said:
How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.Jonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.
That suggests vengeance and malevolence, which is uncharacteristic of you.
I’ve already agreed the promises they need to be held accountable to, but I’ve said they need to be given a fair shot.0 -
Ironically, I had a midnight (23:59GMT) deadline which I've been working on since 3:30 and have just sent off the proposals with nine minutes to spare. So I shall now stand up and visit the bathroom before I go squish like a wee balloon.
Thinks.
That's probably too much detail...
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If I have been banned then the message has not got through. iirc the only ban tonight was some drunken maniac ranting at Big_G.Ave_it said:Any remoaners on here or have they been banned?
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I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.0 -
I have always predicted a damp squib Brexit. The economic and social decline will be more like the rusting out than a catastrophic failure. Tonight is merely a waypoint, at which we chose to go back a half century, forgetting the reasons we joined in the first place.DavidL said:
I think everyone will come to realise that over time and the hyperbole of both sides in this debate will look ever more absurd.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.0 -
And yet, tonight, they found nothing and mentioned nothing, and still haven’t despite my challenge.SouthamObserver said:
I think they (we) all can. They may not all be things you’d celebrate, though. That’s how it works. Just as you regard Brexit as being a fantastic act of patriotism, others see it completely differently - and equally as genuinely. They perhaps don’t feel like celebrating tonight because they feel the country they love has taken a wrong and damaging turn.Casino_Royale said:
Absolutely.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
What a shame some Remainers can’t find anything in their own country to celebrate?0 -
To say that you truly must believe that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics were not entirely fair and acted with malevolence.Casino_Royale said:
You think Brexiteers deserve to be treated with a behaviour that you’re caricaturing contemptuously to justify your own counter behaviour.Jonathan said:
How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.Jonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.
That suggests vengeance and malevolence, which is uncharacteristic of you.
I’ve already agreed the promises they need to be held accountable to, but I’ve said they need to be given a fair shot.
It is utterly hypocritical of Eurosceptics to say we must now somehow come together.0 -
This is a 100% remoaner website so I am surprised I am not banned.rottenborough said:
If I have been banned then the message has not got through. iirc the only ban tonight was some drunken maniac ranting at Big_G.Ave_it said:Any remoaners on here or have they been banned?
It's more hard left than going for a perrier with Rebecca Long Bailey 🇪🇺0 -
No, merely pointing out that our culture is closely intertwined with our continental neighbours and friends, it always has been and always will be. It is just from now on we will be outside the room where it happens.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?0 -
Well that’s a full hour out of the EU. At least civilisation hasn’t collapsed.0
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I have no more ‘rights’ than you, nor am I entitled to anything more, and nor do I want any even if I could.Foxy said:
Yes, but with a Bulgarian spouse you are less restricted in your rights than someone without an EU spouse. It is a simple matter of fact.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, wrong dummy.Foxy said:
Though with an EU spouse you have other ways to keep your FoM as I understand.Casino_Royale said:Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.Beibheirli_C said:
I am notCasino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The lastRobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.
I have British citizenship alone, am not eligible or interested in applying for any other (ever) and my wife voted Leave too.
I never asked for EU citizenship, nor wanted it, so spare me your crocodile tears.
It is perfectly reasonable for those who can to acquire an Irish or other EU passport in order to retain their freedoms. Unfortunately I cannot.
She does, and my daughter theoretically could, but neither of us are interested.
British citizenship is coveted throughout the world, the British passport is a powerful and formidable one and I have no desire for anything else.0 -
Tonight they may not feel like submitting to a patriotism test.Casino_Royale said:
And yet, tonight, they found nothing and mentioned nothing, and still haven’t despite my challenge.SouthamObserver said:
I think they (we) all can. They may not all be things you’d celebrate, though. That’s how it works. Just as you regard Brexit as being a fantastic act of patriotism, others see it completely differently - and equally as genuinely. They perhaps don’t feel like celebrating tonight because they feel the country they love has taken a wrong and damaging turn.Casino_Royale said:
Absolutely.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
What a shame some Remainers can’t find anything in their own country to celebrate?
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I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.0 -
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But if people want to eat, drink and consume music from EU countries as some sort of defiant act tonight, I don’t think that’s anything to be bothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.0 -
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Non sequitur of the year.Jonathan said:
To say that you truly must believe that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics were not entirely fair and acted with malevolence.Casino_Royale said:
You think Brexiteers deserve to be treated with a behaviour that you’re caricaturing contemptuously to justify your own counter behaviour.Jonathan said:
How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I aJonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.
That suggests vengeance and malevolence, which is uncharacteristic of you.
I’ve already agreed the promises they need to be held accountable to, but I’ve said they need to be given a fair shot.
It is utterly hypocritical of Eurosceptics to say we must now somehow come together.
Neither side has covered themselves in glory. But both sides must make a move if there is to be healing.
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The fact you choose not to exercise your option does not remove it. I do not have that option at all.Casino_Royale said:
I have no more ‘rights’ than you, nor am I entitled to anything more, and nor do I want any even if I could.Foxy said:
Yes, but with a Bulgarian spouse you are less restricted in your rights than someone without an EU spouse. It is a simple matter of fact.Casino_Royale said:
Nope, wrong dummy.Foxy said:
Though with an EU spouse you have other ways to keep your FoM as I understand.Casino_Royale said:Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers .Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.Beibheirli_C said:
I am notCasino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The lastRobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.
I have British citizenship alone, am not eligible or interested in applying for any other (ever) and my wife voted Leave too.
I never asked for EU citizenship, nor wanted it, so spare me your crocodile tears.
It is perfectly reasonable for those who can to acquire an Irish or other EU passport in order to retain their freedoms. Unfortunately I cannot.
She does, and my daughter theoretically could, but neither of us are interested.
British citizenship is coveted throughout the world, the British passport is a powerful and formidable one and I have no desire for anything else.0 -
Just caught up with this, and found it stemmedfrom a comment I made - the Portsea Islans fact is my favourite quiz question and I'm rather upset that I was picking the kids up asthat thread developed. Oh well.DavidL said:Today I learned that Portsea was the third most populous island in the British Isles. Every day is a learning day on PB but its time for bed.
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People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But if people want to eat, drink and consume music from EU countries as some sort of defiant act tonight, I don’t think that’s anything to be bothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.0 -
No, they’re angry because of your behaviour - as demonstrated on this thread in copious detail.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
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Yeah. Says it all.Casino_Royale said:
No, they’re angry because of your behaviour - as demonstrated on this thread in copious detail.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.
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You called it treasonous!Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But if people want to eat, drink and consume music from EU countries as some sort of defiant act tonight, I don’t think that’s anything to be bothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
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There is no test, but to wish the nation well.SouthamObserver said:
Tonight they may not feel like submitting to a patriotism test.Casino_Royale said:
And yet, tonight, they found nothing and mentioned nothing, and still haven’t despite my challenge.SouthamObserver said:
ICasino_Royale said:
Absolutely.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
What a shame some Remainers can’t find anything in their own country to celebrate?0 -
Anyway all leavers are wrong
Let's get behind Layla and Jo and argue to be let back in! Although Nicola will scare them off do needs to be pre 1801 boundaries!
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Dickhead.Gallowgate said:
Yeah. Says it all.Casino_Royale said:
No, they’re angry because of your behaviour - as demonstrated on this thread in copious detail.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.
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Midnight has passed. We have been out of the EU for an hour.
Can we all get back to Iowa now?1 -
Yes, because he was listening to and celebrating the EU national anthem as the UK broke away.SouthamObserver said:
You called it treasonous!Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But if people want to eat, drink and consume music from EU countries as some sort of defiant act tonight, I don’t think that’s anything to be bothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
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It’s total crap. In a democracy you get challenged. It’s a good thing. Live with it. You’re on the hook for a lot of unicorns. It is time to deliver. The Brexiteers never gave the old settlement an easy ride. Now you’re in the hot seat. Enjoy!Casino_Royale said:
Non sequitur of the year.Jonathan said:
To say that you truly must believe that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics were not entirely fair and acted with malevolence.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I aJonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.
That suggests vengeance and malevolence, which is uncharacteristic of you.
I’ve already agreed the promises they need to be held accountable to, but I’ve said they need to be given a fair shot.
It is utterly hypocritical of Eurosceptics to say we must now somehow come together.
Neither side has covered themselves in glory. But both sides must make a move if there is to be healing.
It’s disappointing that you don’t understand that.0 -
What on earth is your problem? We left the EU. You won. Chill out.Casino_Royale said:
Dickhead.Gallowgate said:
Yeah. Says it all.Casino_Royale said:
No, they’re angry because of your behaviour - as demonstrated on this thread in copious detail.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.
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I've never understood the constant references to divorce, we left a club, not a marriage.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.0 -
I have no such option. And if I did I would be offended that I even had one.Foxy said:
The fact you choose not to exercise your option does not remove it. I do not have that option at all.Casino_Royale said:
I have no more ‘rights’ than you, nor am I entitled to anything more, and nor do I want any even if I could.Foxy said:
Yes, but with a Bulgarian spouse you are less restricted in your rights than someone without an EU spouse. It is a simple matter of fact.Casino_Royale said:
NFoxy said:
Though with an EU spouse you have other ways to keep your FoM as I understand.Casino_Royale said:Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers .Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.Beibheirli_C said:
I am notCasino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The lastRobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.
It is perfectly reasonable for those who can to acquire an Irish or other EU passport in order to retain their freedoms. Unfortunately I cannot.
She does, and my daughter theoretically could, but neither of us are interested.
British citizenship is coveted throughout the world, the British passport is a powerful and formidable one and I have no desire for anything else.
Try getting that into your thick head.1 -
I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right0 -
Get over it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because he was listening to and celebrating the EU national anthem as the UK broke away.SouthamObserver said:
You called it treasonous!Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But if people want to eat, drink and consume music from EU countries as some sort of defiant act tonight, I don’t think that’s anything to be bothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
That is treasonous.0 -
Annoyingly, I also knew the answer to this, having got it wrong in a pub quiz!Cookie said:
Just caught up with this, and found it stemmedfrom a comment I made - the Portsea Islans fact is my favourite quiz question and I'm rather upset that I was picking the kids up asthat thread developed. Oh well.DavidL said:Today I learned that Portsea was the third most populous island in the British Isles. Every day is a learning day on PB but its time for bed.
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Well it’s neither patriotic nor unpatriotic to me really. If you’re annoyed about leaving the EU, then eating french cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven (if this all actually happened) on the night we leave is an understandable, if slightly corny, form of protest.Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But if people want to eat, drink and consume music from EU countries as some sort of defiant act tonight, I don’t think that’s anything to be bothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
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I’m not arguing there shouldn’t be constructive challenge. I’m arguing for fairness and good spirits.Jonathan said:
It’s total crap. In a democracy you get challenged. It’s a good thing. Live with it. You’re on the hook for a lot of unicorns. It is time to deliver. The Brexiteers never gave the old settlement an easy ride. Now you’re in the hot seat. Enjoy!Casino_Royale said:
Non sequitur of the year.Jonathan said:
To say that you truly must believe that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics were not entirely fair and acted with malevolence.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I aJonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Nm.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.
That suggests vengeance and malevolence, which is uncharacteristic of you.
I’ve already agreed the promises they need to be held accountable to, but I’ve said they need to be given a fair shot.
It is utterly hypocritical of Eurosceptics to say we must now somehow come together.
Neither side has covered themselves in glory. But both sides must make a move if there is to be healing.
It’s disappointing that you don’t understand that.
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When did Iowa join the EU??rottenborough said:Midnight has passed. We have been out of the EU for an hour.
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Nope, you need to get over it.Gallowgate said:
Get over it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because he was listening to and celebrating the EU national anthem as the UK broke away.SouthamObserver said:
You called it treasonous!Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But if people want to eat, drink and consume music from EU countries as some sort of defiant act tonight, I don’t think that’s anything to be bothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
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No, it’s not. The EU is not our enemy. It never oppressed us. Things just didn’t work out. Being sad about that, regretting it and consoling yourself with a bit of Beethoven is not the act of a traitor.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because he was listening to and celebrating the EU national anthem as the UK broke away.SouthamObserver said:
You called it treasonous!Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But ifbothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
That is treasonous.
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Being able to live and work freely in other countries offends you?Casino_Royale said:
I have no such option. And if I did I would be offended that I even had one.
Try getting that into your thick head.0 -
The question of who is British (or English) is an interesting one, but is one with blurred edges.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
There is the legal definition for passport purposes, though there are 10 million British citizens out with these Isles.
There is the cultural definition, based on whoever subscribes to a set of "British" values, however defined, though a substantial number of those who are resident in these Isles and have those values have Irish or other passports, and of course those with Commonwealth ones can vote
Then there is the ethnic definition, as indeed nations were once defined.
I am all three, but do find the appropriation of patriotism by Brexiters offensive. There is too much hatred of other aspects of modern British life for me to stomach.0 -
Boris got it done, sufficient for purpose at the least, well if we are fortunate. It will be interesting to see how far the gratitude will go as he moves on to other matters, or will cover him for further Brexit moves.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right0 -
I briefly walked by and I must say I was rather embarrassed.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right
I thought it was populated by 4-5k of the worst sort of Leave.EU leaver. The demographic and type were entirely predictable and eye-rolly.0 -
Respect and fairness is earned. You have a long way to go.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not arguing there shouldn’t be constructive challenge. I’m arguing for fairness and good spirits.Jonathan said:
It’s total crap. In a democracy you get challenged. It’s a good thing. Live with it. You’re on the hook for a lot of unicorns. It is time to deliver. The Brexiteers never gave the old settlement an easy ride. Now you’re in the hot seat. Enjoy!Casino_Royale said:
Non sequitur of the year.Jonathan said:
To say that you truly must believe that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics were not entirely fair and acted with malevolence.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I aJonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Nm.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.
That suggests vengeance and malevolence, which is uncharacteristic of you.
I’ve already agreed the promises they need to be held accountable to, but I’ve said they need to be given a fair shot.
It is utterly hypocritical of Eurosceptics to say we must now somehow come together.
Neither side has covered themselves in glory. But both sides must make a move if there is to be healing.
It’s disappointing that you don’t understand that.
Learn the difference, or stop wasting my time.
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It is interesting however how he slink from the limelight and is trying to Ban the word Brexit.kle4 said:
Boris got it done, sufficient for purpose at the least, well if we are fortunate. It will be interesting to see how far the gratitude will go as he moves on to other matters, or will cover him for further Brexit moves.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right0 -
I was going to say its because of the emotional element if being a part of the club, but seeing how people treat party membership even clubs have very intense emotions attached to them.dodrade said:
I've never understood the constant references to divorce, we left a club, not a marriage.SouthamObserver said:
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.0 -
Welcome to Farages Britain, we are his children now.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right0 -
Don’t ever post an EU flag to me again.Gallowgate said:
What on earth is your problem? We left the EU. You won. Chill out.Casino_Royale said:
Dickhead.Gallowgate said:
Yeah. Says it all.Casino_Royale said:
No, they’re angry because of your behaviour - as demonstrated on this thread in copious detail.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.
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The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.0
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This is getting embarrassing now.Casino_Royale said:
Don’t ever post an EU flag to me again.Gallowgate said:
What on earth is your problem? We left the EU. You won. Chill out.Casino_Royale said:
Dickhead.Gallowgate said:
Yeah. Says it all.Casino_Royale said:
No, they’re angry because of your behaviour - as demonstrated on this thread in copious detail.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.
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This is a ‘right’ that everyone talks about in theory but never exercises in practice.CatMan said:
Being able to live and work freely in other countries offends you?Casino_Royale said:
I have no such option. And if I did I would be offended that I even had one.
Try getting that into your thick head.
I’ve been on this planet nearly 40 years and have never had cause to use it.
You don’t need it for holidays nor for short business trips, so the anger over ‘losing’ it is entirely synthetic.0 -
But how is Primrose taking to our new found independence?SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right0 -
For you, yes.Gallowgate said:
This is getting embarrassing now.Casino_Royale said:
Don’t ever post an EU flag to me again.Gallowgate said:
What on earth is your problem? We left the EU. You won. Chill out.Casino_Royale said:
Dickhead.Gallowgate said:
Yeah. Says it all.Casino_Royale said:
No, they’re angry because of your behaviour - as demonstrated on this thread in copious detail.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.
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Unless you hold dual nationality that statement is now factually incorrect.Gallowgate said:The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.
Though it doesn't annoy me at all.0 -
I'd assume first that Boris, although loving attention, knows that too much focus without periods of quiet will see his personal popularity diminish, that's true of everyone in public life. As for the word Brexit, just an attempt at political reframing to encourage moving on - but I doubt people will stop using it.Foxy said:
It is interesting however how he slink from the limelight and is trying to Ban the word Brexit.kle4 said:
Boris got it done, sufficient for purpose at the least, well if we are fortunate. It will be interesting to see how far the gratitude will go as he moves on to other matters, or will cover him for further Brexit moves.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right0 -
Were you there at 11pm? I was, It was way bigger than 5k. And the mad hardcore Leavers had been diluted by a good natured crowd of flag wavers and hip flask swiggers and hipster nationalists.Casino_Royale said:
I briefly walked by and I must say I was rather embarrassed.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right
I thought it was populated by 4-5k of the worst sort of Leave.EU leaver. The demographic and type were entirely predictable and eye-rolly.
It was surprising, to me. I expected a few hundred nutters.
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Clearly it does.Richard_Tyndall said:
Unless you hold dual nationality that statement is now factually incorrect.Gallowgate said:The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.
Though it doesn't annoy me at all.0 -
Brexit Party era Farage is really just a pantomime figure. I think he could have been a serious politician if he had the inclination, but seems to enjoy the banter with old folk too much.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right0 -
But they can be a fickle bunch. Already Delingpole has gone from hailing Boris as the architect of a golden age to a betraying twat in the space of five months.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right0 -
Both sides do. Neither has a monopoly.Jonathan said:
Respect and fairness is earned. You have a long way to go.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not arguing there shouldn’t be constructive challenge. I’m arguing for fairness and good spirits.Jonathan said:
It’s total crap. In a democracy you get challenged. It’s a good thing. Live with it. You’re on the hook for a lot of unicorns. It is time to deliver. The Brexiteers never gave the old settlement an easy ride. Now you’re in the hot seat. Enjoy!Casino_Royale said:
No.Jonathan said:
Tor.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I aJonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Nm.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.
T.
Learn the difference, or stop wasting my time.
You actually understand this, but are just being obstinate and bloody minded tonight - as well as desperate to have the last word.
So, probably best ignored.0 -
So you’re arguing that rights you don’t use personally are disposable. Hmmmm. Somewhat worrying. I guess jury trials don’t matter either. Where will this end?Casino_Royale said:
This is a ‘right’ that everyone talks about in theory but never exercises in practice.CatMan said:
Being able to live and work freely in other countries offends you?Casino_Royale said:
I have no such option. And if I did I would be offended that I even had one.
Try getting that into your thick head.
I’ve been on this planet nearly 40 years and have never had cause to use it.
You don’t need it for holidays nor for short business trips, so the anger over ‘losing’ it is entirely synthetic.0 -
I’m not the one getting triggered by an Emoji.Casino_Royale said:
For you, yes.Gallowgate said:
This is getting embarrassing now.Casino_Royale said:
Don’t ever post an EU flag to me again.Gallowgate said:
What on earth is your problem? We left the EU. You won. Chill out.Casino_Royale said:
Dickhead.Gallowgate said:
Yeah. Says it all.Casino_Royale said:
No, they’re angry because of your behaviour - as demonstrated on this thread in copious detail.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.
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Your whole notion is that Brexit is the last word. It isn’t. Goodnight old chap. Your dreams are now reality. Rejoice.Casino_Royale said:
Both sides do. Neither has a monopoly.Jonathan said:
Respect and fairness is earned. You have a long way to go.Casino_Royale said:
I’m not arguing there shouldn’t be constructive challenge. I’m arguing for fairness and good spirits.Jonathan said:
It’s total crap. In a democracy you get challenged. It’s a good thing. Live with it. You’re on the hook for a lot of unicorns. It is time to deliver. The Brexiteers never gave the old settlement an easy ride. Now you’re in the hot seat. Enjoy!Casino_Royale said:
No.Jonathan said:
Tor.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
How is that dickish? Don’t you want to keep your promises? Do you think Brexiteers were somehow not fair?Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I aJonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Nm.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.
T.
Learn the difference, or stop wasting my time.
You actually understand this, but are just being obstinate and bloody minded tonight - as well as desperate to have the last word.
So, probably best ignored.0 -
There are 1.3 million or so UK citizens that have exercised their FoM and many more who might have considered doing so, but that appears to be closing off.Casino_Royale said:
This is a ‘right’ that everyone talks about in theory but never exercises in practice.CatMan said:
Being able to live and work freely in other countries offends you?Casino_Royale said:
I have no such option. And if I did I would be offended that I even had one.
Try getting that into your thick head.
I’ve been on this planet nearly 40 years and have never had cause to use it.
You don’t need it for holidays nor for short business trips, so the anger over ‘losing’ it is entirely synthetic.
It is of course possible that FoM will be part of the final deal, if not in 2021, then in the future. I note that Starmer supports it as part of our relationship with the EU, presumably as part of an EEA/EFTA arrangement.0 -
Angry winners (Unionists, Brexiteers, Trumpers) has really been the political theme of the last few years. What's more worrying is what happens when those angry winners are properly thwarted or become losers. We had a mild taste of it when there was all that 'there will be blood' shite during Brexit's stuttering progress through parliament.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.0 -
I was there at 9.48-9.57 to be fair, and it was that precise as I was checking for my train.SeanT said:
Were you there at 11pm? I was, It was way bigger than 5k. And the mad hardcore Leavers had been diluted by a good natured crowd of flag wavers and hip flask swiggers and hipster nationalists.Casino_Royale said:
I briefly walked by and I must say I was rather embarrassed.SeanT said:I was in Parliament Square for The Moment
There was real verve and passion. A couple of thugs got arrested. Some mildly nasty chanting. But this was maybe 39 people out of 30,000
It was a very British but very determined revolution.
Three things I noticed:
The crowd was much younger, taller, richer, better looking than the caricatures of Leavers. A lot of posh people there, waving Union Jacks. Obviously this is a London bias, but it was interesting nonetheless
It was Farage's show on the night. He conducted the final songs etc. He was largely cheered, in a rather vaudeville way. A popular pantomime figure
But: they REALLY love Boris. He is the total hero of all Brexiteers. Universally liked. He has a lot of support he can lose, but he has a potentially formidable core of disciples, if he gets it right
I thought it was populated by 4-5k of the worst sort of Leave.EU leaver. The demographic and type were entirely predictable and eye-rolly.
It was surprising, to me. I expected a few hundred nutters.
Maybe it got better later, but it was cringeworthy when I was there.
I am feeling remarkably misanthropic tonight. So many nobs (on both sides) but I’m very relieved in the legal abstract.
I felt so liberated when the clock struck eleven.0 -
1230 BBC4 An hour long show about the song ‘Common People’ - as good an explanation of why Brexit happened as any despite, I would guess, it’s writers political views0
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I disagree, and on that point hinges Brexit.SouthamObserver said:
No, it’s not. The EU is not our enemy. It never oppressed us. Things just didn’t work out. Being sad about that, regretting it and consoling yourself with a bit of Beethoven is not the act of a traitor.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because he was listening to and celebrating the EU national anthem as the UK broke away.SouthamObserver said:
You called it treasonous!Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But ifbothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed,SouthamObserver said:
ICasino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
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So European culture comes from the EU in your opinion.Foxy said:
No, merely pointing out that our culture is closely intertwined with our continental neighbours and friends, it always has been and always will be. It is just from now on we will be outside the room where it happens.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Well I suppose it can lay a claim to Henry Kelly's Going for Gold and Eldorado.0 -
No honestly it doesn't. My mood is very good tonight and I was making a merely semantic comment.Gallowgate said:
Clearly it does.Richard_Tyndall said:
Unless you hold dual nationality that statement is now factually incorrect.Gallowgate said:The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.
Though it doesn't annoy me at all.
As I said earlier I will enjoy all manner of fine European produce over the next few days and, unless there is some sort of desperate trade war going on that I have not heard of, I see nothing treasonous in those of a Remainer bent commiserating with European goodies. And Beethoven is the finest composer in the history of music. I would never criticise anyone for listening to him under any circumstances.
I agree with CR on many things but not on this. It is petty.0 -
Congratulations to all Brexiteers. It was a sad one for me but this is their night. I dearly wish to rejoin the EU and will continue to campaign for it, but in the meantime I hope we can come together and build the best Britain we can in the meantime.0
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Well then there’s an awful lot of traitors on this island now. What are you gonna do with us? Deport us?Casino_Royale said:
I disagree, and on that point hinges Brexit.SouthamObserver said:
No, it’s not. The EU is not our enemy. It never oppressed us. Things just didn’t work out. Being sad about that, regretting it and consoling yourself with a bit of Beethoven is not the act of a traitor.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because he was listening to and celebrating the EU national anthem as the UK broke away.SouthamObserver said:
You called it treasonous!Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But ifbothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed,SouthamObserver said:
ICasino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
That is treasonous.0 -
The flag of Europe is also the flag of (indeed was first adopted by) the Council of Europe of which the UK is still very much a member. So it is still a flag of all British citizens.Richard_Tyndall said:
Unless you hold dual nationality that statement is now factually incorrect.Gallowgate said:The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.
Though it doesn't annoy me at all.2 -
I don’t think it is the last word. Nothing is in politics. And I’m very conscious it might not work out and, even worse, I might lose everything one day through it.Jonathan said:
Your whole notion is that Brexit is the last word. It isn’t. Goodnight old chap. Your dreams are now reality. Rejoice.Casino_Royale said:
Both sides do. Neither has a monopoly.Jonathan said:
Respect and fairness is earned. You have a long way to go.Casino_Royale said:
Learn the difference, or stop wasting my time.Jonathan said:
I!Casino_Royale said:
No.Jonathan said:
Tor.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:Casino_Royale said:
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:Jonathan said:
.Casino_Royale said:
I aJonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Nm.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Grow up.
T.
You actually understand this, but are just being obstinate and bloody minded tonight - as well as desperate to have the last word.
So, probably best ignored.
But, it just irritates me people able to recognise that just as the Leave political leaders are accountable for their promises we all have an interest in making the best success we can of it.
I am happy, and thank you for your kind words, and very conscious there is a lot of work to do.
We all want to do the right thing. Goodnight.0 -
Many more than 1.3 million when you throw in those who switch between the UK and the EU27 for a few months at a time without giving it a second thought. It will also have a major impact on quite a few types of business trip if, as looks very likely, services are not part of the FTA that ends up being done. FoM will be a slow burner, but it will come to matter a fair bit.Foxy said:
There are 1.3 million or so UK citizens that have exercised their FoM and many more who might have considered doing so, but that appears to be closing off.Casino_Royale said:
This is a ‘right’ that everyone talks about in theory but never exercises in practice.CatMan said:
Being able to live and work freely in other countries offends you?Casino_Royale said:
I have no such option. And if I did I would be offended that I even had one.
Try getting that into your thick head.
I’ve been on this planet nearly 40 years and have never had cause to use it.
You don’t need it for holidays nor for short business trips, so the anger over ‘losing’ it is entirely synthetic.
It is of course possible that FoM will be part of the final deal, if not in 2021, then in the future. I note that Starmer supports it as part of our relationship with the EU, presumably as part of an EEA/EFTA arrangement.
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It's also the European flag so he can really feel as possessive of it as he likes.Richard_Tyndall said:
Unless you hold dual nationality that statement is now factually incorrect.Gallowgate said:The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.
Though it doesn't annoy me at all.0 -
Well Brexiteers, it’s all yours now. And in the words of Lord Edmund Blackadder, you’d better make it phenomenally good.0
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Can’t wait to see your magnanimity if and when there’s another Indyref that you have the misfortune to win.Theuniondivvie said:
Angry winners (Unionists, Brexiteers, Trumpers) has really been the political theme of the last few years. What's more worrying is what happens when those angry winners are properly thwarted or become losers. We had a mild taste of it when there was all that 'there will be blood' shite during Brexit's stuttering progress through parliament.Gallowgate said:I see that Leavers are still angry despite winning.
Says it all really.0 -
Ah but we are not citizens of the Council of Europe. An obscure but important difference.rpjs said:
The flag of Europe is also the flag of (indeed was first adopted by) the Council of Europe of which the UK is still very much a member. So it is still a flag of all British citizens.Richard_Tyndall said:
Unless you hold dual nationality that statement is now factually incorrect.Gallowgate said:The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.
Though it doesn't annoy me at all.0 -
Bugger. I thought we'd got rid of the bloody thing.rpjs said:
The flag of Europe is also the flag of (indeed was first adopted by) the Council of Europe of which the UK is still very much a member. So it is still a flag of all British citizens.Richard_Tyndall said:
Unless you hold dual nationality that statement is now factually incorrect.Gallowgate said:The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.
Though it doesn't annoy me at all.1 -
Evening all. Having watched tonight's TV coverage I couldn't help think how they kept dragging out the most partisan voices - Alistair Campbell and Farage when many people are probably feeling a bit more nuanced.
Overall I feel satisfied the result has been upheld and not triumphalist but I do feel a little sadness for remainer friends.
My hope is that Brexit will lead to a much stronger relationship with the EU, like divorced couples who sometimes become good friends afterwards - trading with the EU, working with the EU on areas of common benefit but not being run by the EU
As Laura K said on TV, our politicians now have nowhere to hide. No more blaming Brussels. The key thing is if Boris fails he can be kicked out. We couldn't kick out Tusk or Juncker.
I believe we have a great future ahead. That doesn't mean there won't be some bumps in the road of course. The companies that do the best will be those that are quickest to adapt to new circumstances. And hopefully our government can use our new found freedom to adapt to changing global currents
An interesting question is what happens to the EU next. Do Macron and Merkel's successor drive a new wave of integration? Does the next crisis cause some countries to leave the Euro or the EU? Does the EU recognise the need for a 2 tier model? Or do things just stagnate?4 -
If that is truly the case this country is in a whole heap of trouble. Thankfully, though, I think you’re in a small minority. And maybe you won’t be in it tomorrow!Casino_Royale said:
I disagree, and on that point hinges Brexit.SouthamObserver said:
No, it’s not. The EU is not our enemy. It never oppressed us. Things just didn’t work out. Being sad about that, regretting it and consoling yourself with a bit of Beethoven is not the act of a traitor.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because he was listening to and celebrating the EU national anthem as the UK broke away.SouthamObserver said:
You called it treasonous!Casino_Royale said:
People can do what they like, but let’s not pretend it’s some patriotic act.isam said:
It is a ridiculously weak, and transparently blinkered stance. But ifbothered about.Casino_Royale said:
I think the way it works is that if there is anything that is less than 100% British over the whole course of human history, then it isn’t really British at all and therefore there is no such thing as British.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed,SouthamObserver said:
ICasino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Funnily enough, this argument doesn’t seem to apply to other nations.
That is treasonous.
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No, but the EU is an expression of that common European Culture and Demos. Shortly we will join Belarus and Russia in being outside the EU, EEA, Customs Union or countries applying to be in at least one of these three. This is deliberately isolating us from the room where it happens.another_richard said:
So European culture comes from the EU in your opinion.Foxy said:
No, merely pointing out that our culture is closely intertwined with our continental neighbours and friends, it always has been and always will be. It is just from now on we will be outside the room where it happens.another_richard said:
So you are saying that the Queen is German ?Foxy said:
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
British nationality, born in Britain, parents born in Britain, 3/4 grandparents born in Britain, lived throughout her life in Britain.
How many of the British people in Leicester don't count as British by that definition ?
Well I suppose it can lay a claim to Henry Kelly's Going for Gold and Eldorado.0 -
Who said anything about being a citizen?Richard_Tyndall said:
Ah but we are not citizens of the Council of Europe. An obscure but important difference.rpjs said:
The flag of Europe is also the flag of (indeed was first adopted by) the Council of Europe of which the UK is still very much a member. So it is still a flag of all British citizens.Richard_Tyndall said:
Unless you hold dual nationality that statement is now factually incorrect.Gallowgate said:The EU flag is just as much mine as the Union Jack. The fact this annoys people is quite entertaining.
Though it doesn't annoy me at all.0
