“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?
From the BBC. MEP’s have voted for universal charging cables for mobiles. Same charger for Samsung, Apple etc. At first sight that’s a Good Idea. Won’t happen in UK of course!
So no company can innovate with a newer, better cable?
Hopefully everyone moves on to wireless charging but banning innovation doesn't seem smart. Almost all companies have already moved to standard ones anyway.
They're not actually insisting on a common cable, the story is wrong. They are insisting on common charging standards. That means the cable to charger interface has to be standard.
Do you mean they all have to be eg USB Type C? So no Lightning etc?
Or the connection to the charger block so they all need to be USB? Aren't they all already USB?
The idea is that we'll have chargers that conform to a common standard, but that the phone interface is up to manufacturers.
The result of this is that iPhones will get a lightning-to-usb c cable, and charging bricks will all have USB c output and conform USB-PD standards.
This does not mean you can't innovate. You can have your own snazzy high power interface. But if the device at the other end doesn't support it, you need to fall back to USB-PD.
The idea, rightly or wrongly, is to reduce e-waste by being able to reduce the number of chargers in existence.
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
Lordy. We've got at least another eleven months of Boris rippling his pects in everyone's faces, just to keep his boys and girls swooning. Will this never end?
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
Never quite sure whether Johnson really believes his own nonsense or whether it's just a (successful) ploy to keep his supporters in happy ignorance while he does his thing.
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?
They’re trying to make a WTO-exit credible to increase leverage in the primary trade talks. To be credible, we have to be prepared and be seen to be prepared and to go through with it if our bluff is called.
Whether it matters now is moot TBH. Obviously the EU is greatly diminished by Brexit, but there's no point them crying over milk they spilt five years ago.
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
The EU are offering no tariffs and quotas but will impose border controls.
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?
They’re trying to make a WTO-exit credible to increase leverage in the primary trade talks. To be credible, we have to be prepared and be seen to be prepared and to go through with it if our bluff is called.
I think that’s a fair, if high risk, strategy.
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?
They’re trying to make a WTO-exit credible to increase leverage in the primary trade talks. To be credible, we have to be prepared and be seen to be prepared and to go through with it if our bluff is called.
I think that’s a fair, if high risk, strategy.
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?
On that particular bit, in the Irish Sea, as required, or digitally. And yes, I know he says he won’t etc blah blah blah, so don’t bother pointing that out to me.
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
It's delusional claptrap, certainly, but I have a horrible feeling that they do believe it.
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
No bit.
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?
I have not mentioned no deal at all, why bring it in unless your argument is so weak that it is not worth stating. My point is that as soon as the PD was released by the EU/UK it was 100% clear that there would be customs checks and SPS checks at the border. Only a complete idiot thinks this is being done now for leverage, it was all agreed a long time ago and is the default outcome.
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
No bit.
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?
We hum the same old lines to a different crowd And everybody wants to cheer it We run on endless time to reach a higher cloud But we never ever seem to get near it
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
It's delusional claptrap, certainly, but I have a horrible feeling that they do believe it.
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
It's delusional claptrap, certainly, but I have a horrible feeling that they do believe it.
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
No bit.
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?
I have not mentioned no deal at all, why bring it in unless your argument is so weak that it is not worth stating. My point is that as soon as the PD was released by the EU/UK it was 100% clear that there would be customs checks and SPS checks at the border. Only a complete idiot thinks this is being done now for leverage, it was all agreed a long time ago and is the default outcome.
Take it up with Peter Foster, he's the one quoting UK negotiators saying it will give us leverage.
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?
On that particular bit, in the Irish Sea, as required, or digitally. And yes, I know he says he won’t etc blah blah blah, so don’t bother pointing that out to me.
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.
"In the Irish Sea"? I have this image of a shed on a raft.
More seriously, I appreciate you find it boring, but it is also important and relevant. The inability/refusal of people to come to terms with this point - as evinced by your uncharacteristically rude response - is notable.
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
No bit.
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?
I have not mentioned no deal at all, why bring it in unless your argument is so weak that it is not worth stating. My point is that as soon as the PD was released by the EU/UK it was 100% clear that there would be customs checks and SPS checks at the border. Only a complete idiot thinks this is being done now for leverage, it was all agreed a long time ago and is the default outcome.
Take it up with Peter Foster, he's the one quoting UK negotiators saying it will give us leverage.
Dear oh dear, "Oh it is not me it is the big boy at the Telegraph." Pathetic.
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?
On that particular bit, in the Irish Sea, as required, or digitally. And yes, I know he says he won’t etc blah blah blah, so don’t bother pointing that out to me.
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.
"In the Irish Sea"? I have this image of a shed on a raft.
More seriously, I appreciate you find it boring, but it is also important and relevant. The inability/refusal of people to come to terms with this point - as evinced by your uncharacteristically rude response - is notable.
Yaaaaaaaaawwwnnn
You asked a stupid question. So I gave a stupid answer.
We’ve all moved on from NI border now. That’s so 2019.
Certainly not. But glamour boy JFK is much to blame for that by my reading. He gets cut a lot of slack on account of being shot with a high powered rifle in Dealey Plaza on that fateful November day at some point in the early 60s.
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
No bit.
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?
I have not mentioned no deal at all, why bring it in unless your argument is so weak that it is not worth stating. My point is that as soon as the PD was released by the EU/UK it was 100% clear that there would be customs checks and SPS checks at the border. Only a complete idiot thinks this is being done now for leverage, it was all agreed a long time ago and is the default outcome.
Take it up with Peter Foster, he's the one quoting UK negotiators saying it will give us leverage.
Dear oh dear, "Oh it is not me it is the big boy at the Telegraph." Pathetic.
Not at all. I prefaced my original post with 'If this report is accurate..'. Peter Foster is generally extremely well-informed, but maybe he's got this wrong. If so then clearly my conclusion would be different.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
The maybe is would Cameron have become PM if the restrictions had been imposed.
What’s amazing is that the Blair government didn’t seem to consider the way it would alter the votes of the millions of British people affected. Genuine hubris.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
Ah, thought you had returned since you have your old avatar back. My apologies.
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
It's delusional claptrap, certainly, but I have a horrible feeling that they do believe it.
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.
We hold ALL the cards.
No, but we do hold some cards.
The balance of advantage lies somewhere between 30-70 to the EU to 40-60 to the EU, depending on the issue. On financial services and the city it might even be at parity.
Yet, the debate always seems to plunge new depths of reducto ad absurdium and hinge on whether it’s 100-0, or 0-100.
It’s pointless, repetitive, unenlightening and depressing.
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The result of this is that iPhones will get a lightning-to-usb c cable, and charging bricks will all have USB c output and conform USB-PD standards.
This does not mean you can't innovate. You can have your own snazzy high power interface. But if the device at the other end doesn't support it, you need to fall back to USB-PD.
The idea, rightly or wrongly, is to reduce e-waste by being able to reduce the number of chargers in existence.
He’s cutting it pretty fine..
But, that wasn’t my question..
What has the EU learnt from Brexit?
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
I think that’s a fair, if high risk, strategy.
Whether it matters now is moot TBH. Obviously the EU is greatly diminished by Brexit, but there's no point them crying over milk they spilt five years ago.
Cheerieu.....
OUT! OUT! OUT! OUT!
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRZZC-DH7M
And everybody wants to cheer it
We run on endless time to reach a higher cloud
But we never ever seem to get near it
I never wanted to be in that organisation, and didn’t agree with either its vision or objectives.
EU not as popular as we thought in Merseyside.....
The maybe is would Cameron have become PM if the restrictions had been imposed.
You’re uncharacteristically remoaney tonight.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/dont-listen-to-the-whingers-london-needs-immigrants-6786170.html
More seriously, I appreciate you find it boring, but it is also important and relevant. The inability/refusal of people to come to terms with this point - as evinced by your uncharacteristically rude response - is notable.
oh.
Cyclefree Meeks Tyson and the other moneyed left were right. Can we come back please?
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
You asked a stupid question. So I gave a stupid answer.
We’ve all moved on from NI border now. That’s so 2019.
Next.
Another surge continues also, the ALLIANCE surge!
Hanging on in there.
The balance of advantage lies somewhere between 30-70 to the EU to 40-60 to the EU, depending on the issue. On financial services and the city it might even be at parity.
Yet, the debate always seems to plunge new depths of reducto ad absurdium and hinge on whether it’s 100-0, or 0-100.
It’s pointless, repetitive, unenlightening and depressing.