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Did you make a dismissive waving hand gesture and/or make a sound like "tchoo" or "pfuee" when you saw it? It's a characteristic response.Casino_Royale said:
Yaaaaaaaaawwwnnnviewcode said:
"In the Irish Sea"? I have this image of a shed on a raft.Casino_Royale said:
On that particular bit, in the Irish Sea, as required, or digitally. And yes, I know he says he won’t etc blah blah blah, so don’t bother pointing that out to me.viewcode said:
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?Casino_Royale said:
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
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UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.
More seriously, I appreciate you find it boring, but it is also important and relevant. The inability/refusal of people to come to terms with this point - as evinced by your uncharacteristically rude response - is notable.
You asked a stupid question. So I gave a stupid answer.
We’ve all moved on from NI border now. That’s so 2019.
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Yes. They did. And your party is not much brighter so I expect them to make equally momentous screw-ups. Actually, I think they made a gigantic one less than an hour ago, but time will tell.Casino_Royale said:
They sowed the wind, and have reaped the whirlwind.Beibheirli_C said:
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/dont-listen-to-the-whingers-london-needs-immigrants-6786170.html0 -
Seems like it, judging by some of the comments!MarqueeMark said:0 -
Leavers should give a big hand to John Major whose peevish, embittered uselessness was a key turning point in setting the country on the course which has led to today.
It should be remembered that back in 1992 the number of Conservative MPs who wanted to leave the then EC was less than ten.0 -
Poundmillions, surelygeoffw said:Still Euromillions on the national lottery.
Hanging on in there.
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We are going to celebrate by paying our tax bill to HMRC. Sigh.0
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And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
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Doesn't that show what a transformation Maastricht was? Federalism really shifted up a gear then.another_richard said:Leavers should give a big hand to John Major whose peevish, embittered uselessness was a key turning point in setting the country on the course which has led to today.
It should be remembered that back in 1992 the number of Conservative MPs who wanted to leave the then EC was less than ten.0 -
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They’ll do it. They have to. They lose otherwise for sure.nico67 said:
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .Casino_Royale said:
They’re trying to make a WTO-exit credible to increase leverage in the primary trade talks. To be credible, we have to be prepared and be seen to be prepared and to go through with it if our bluff is called.Richard_Nabavi said:
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?ralphmalph said:
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
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UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
I think that’s a fair, if high risk, strategy.
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Ooh, thanks for the reminder!MarqueeMark said:0 -
What have you done with the real Ave It?Ave_it said:Don't like being outside EU
Cyclefree Meeks Tyson and the other moneyed left were right. Can we come back please?
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I seem to recall someone famous once said
Now is not the end. It’s not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.0 -
Who knew so many had a problem with their bile duct.....Richard_Nabavi said:
Seems like it, judging by some of the comments!MarqueeMark said:0 -
Oh dear two Leavers Stacey and Tracey on the BBC really just not helping the cause !
Apparently our courts are ruled by Germany ! Sorry Leavers I’m not getting the unite spirit .0 -
Unlike you, I don’t see the world in black and white (albeit you’re happy to switch your POV from black to white over the years) so I am perfectly able to accept the Conservative Party is far from perfect, and very capable of making screw ups.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. They did. And your party is not much brighter so I expect them to make equally momentous screw-ups. Actually, I think they made a gigantic one less than an hour ago, but time will tell.Casino_Royale said:
They sowed the wind, and have reaped the whirlwind.Beibheirli_C said:
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/dont-listen-to-the-whingers-london-needs-immigrants-6786170.html0 -
😊Casino_Royale said:
What have you done with the real Ave It?Ave_it said:Don't like being outside EU
Cyclefree Meeks Tyson and the other moneyed left were right. Can we come back please?
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It’s never-ending.nico67 said:Oh dear two Leavers Stacey and Tracey on the BBC really just not helping the cause !
Apparently our courts are ruled by Germany ! Sorry Leavers I’m not getting the unite spirit .0 -
Hope my EHIC card still works0
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And I thought Rob Brydon leaving was bad.nico67 said:Oh dear two Leavers Stacey and Tracey on the BBC really just not helping the cause !
Apparently our courts are ruled by Germany ! Sorry Leavers I’m not getting the unite spirit .
That’s going to be a really shit sequel.0 -
Retail sales might take a hit as the bog roll mountains are run down.MarqueeMark said:0 -
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.0 -
As a lapsed leaver turned remainer it's an ambivalent evening really. While one cannot doubt the ability of Boris to secure victory I wish I were more persuaded by his cohorts to have confidence in the future under him. I expect i shall become a sour note forever moaning about the shape of that which I helped set into motion.
Oh well, nothing to be done about it now. Happy transition period everyone. The 20s are going to be bumpy, one way or another.0 -
Aaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
"We may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing; but let us not forget for a moment the toil and efforts that lie ahead."stjohn said:I seem to recall someone famous once said
Now is not the end. It’s not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.0 -
Yes. I will need to go to the stockpile and get another bottle of wine.MarqueeMark said:0 -
In news which everyone will surely like the Notre Dame bees are doing well:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/31/they-survived-fire-and-lead-poisoning-so-what-happened-next-to-notre-dames-bees-aoe1 -
Well, I’m off to San Jose tomorrow for a week in Silicon Valley, doing my bit for Brexit Britain. I imagine there will be lots of questions. The UK will be an excellent European base for BigTech - if we get our immigration regime right.2
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This THREAD Has Left The E.U.0
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Surprusingly, in my bit of South Mamchester middle class suburbia remainia - about four miles inwards from yours - there are fireworks. I'm used to being the only leaver in the village, as it were, so this is slightly unexpected.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
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I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.Jonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.0 -
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....0 -
Do you know the way?SouthamObserver said:Well, I’m off to San Jose tomorrow for a week in Silicon Valley, doing my bit for Brexit Britain. I imagine there will be lots of questions. The UK will be an excellent European base for BigTech - if we get our immigration regime right.
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Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.1 -
I winced.nico67 said:Oh dear two Leavers Stacey and Tracey on the BBC really just not helping the cause !
Apparently our courts are ruled by Germany ! Sorry Leavers I’m not getting the unite spirit .0 -
I think the origins of Brexit really happened in the late 80s
Its little known but in return for the UK rebate in the 1980s the Germans forced a requirement for the BBC to broadcast the Legend of Tim Tyler.
Officially one of the worst shows in TV history, this attempt at German cultural domination sowed the seeds for where we are now.0 -
While you probably shouldn't read too much into it, there's an American Strategies (nope, never heard of them) Iowa poll out today which shows Klobuchar into third place on 16%, and only one point behind Biden.
She's definitely seeing a late surge. The only question is if it will be enough.
I'm on her at monster odds, so will be EXTREMELY boring about her if she wins the nomination.1 -
Where's the new thread?TheGreenMachine said:This THREAD Has Left The E.U.
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Good luck to you.SouthamObserver said:Well, I’m off to San Jose tomorrow for a week in Silicon Valley, doing my bit for Brexit Britain. I imagine there will be lots of questions. The UK will be an excellent European base for BigTech - if we get our immigration regime right.
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Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.0 -
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I believe the people who supported Brexit won't sleep tonight.0
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We won the war.
1918 and 1945.
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I am no longer there. I movedCookie said:
Surprusingly, in my bit of South Mamchester middle class suburbia remainia - about four miles inwards from yours - there are fireworks. I'm used to being the only leaver in the village, as it were, so this is slightly unexpected.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Goodnight all.
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It was cringe worthy ! I just hope Stacey the daughter hasn’t popped out too many babies and further polluted the UK gene pool !numbertwelve said:
I winced.nico67 said:Oh dear two Leavers Stacey and Tracey on the BBC really just not helping the cause !
Apparently our courts are ruled by Germany ! Sorry Leavers I’m not getting the unite spirit .0 -
Confession time.
I have said on this blog on regular occasions that we would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.
I was wrong and I accept the shame.0 -
Time to fire up the “Breturn” campaign. 🔥0
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Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....0 -
Very good. I hope the pilot does.isam said:
Do you know the way?SouthamObserver said:Well, I’m off to San Jose tomorrow for a week in Silicon Valley, doing my bit for Brexit Britain. I imagine there will be lots of questions. The UK will be an excellent European base for BigTech - if we get our immigration regime right.
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Not only changing your mind but admitting having done so. This renders you a very special construct indeed. Hats off.kle4 said:As a lapsed leaver turned remainer it's an ambivalent evening really. While one cannot doubt the ability of Boris to secure victory I wish I were more persuaded by his cohorts to have confidence in the future under him. I expect i shall become a sour note forever moaning about the shape of that which I helped set into motion.
Oh well, nothing to be done about it now. Happy transition period everyone. The 20s are going to be bumpy, one way or another.0 -
I think she’s fantastic and would love her to get the nod. I don’t think she’ll manage it but she’s articulate, centrist and eminently sensible.rcs1000 said:While you probably shouldn't read too much into it, there's an American Strategies (nope, never heard of them) Iowa poll out today which shows Klobuchar into third place on 16%, and only one point behind Biden.
She's definitely seeing a late surge. The only question is if it will be enough.
I'm on her at monster odds, so will be EXTREMELY boring about her if she wins the nomination.
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It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.Jonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.0 -
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
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It’s got stuck in the transition period.RobD said:0 -
If we're to be shamed for getting things wrong then the only people safe will be those who change their minds so often they are technically always right because theyve predicted every outcome.rottenborough said:Confession time.
I have said on this blog on regular occasions that we would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.
I was wrong and I accept the shame.0 -
Betfair have settled on the Brexit date market.0
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Have we left yet?0
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What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.0 -
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.0 -
Lol Southam 5 more years in opposition for you.SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
First time CON have increased their vote in six straight elections since 1066
CON in power until 22002 -
Actually, the last time Britain threw off the yoke of continental oppression it was similarly low key. When the Romans left (and I can't remember the details here, surely we have some classicist who can step in?) the British leader wrote a polite letter to Rome noting that as there were no soldiers left in the country, would it be ok if we ran our own affairs? Estrangement from Europe was not universally welcomed then either, particularly among the elite. [Note this is based on a couple of paragraphs I read on the subject a couple of decades ago; I will take no offence at more learned contributors elucidating or flat out contradicting].0
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It is, as of today. Your ability to run to the EU and say the beastly UK is being beastly to you just ended.....SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.0 -
Must admit there were times from July 2018 to October 2019 when I wobbled and didn't think it was going to happen.rottenborough said:Confession time.
I have said on this blog on regular occasions that we would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.
I was wrong and I accept the shame.
But as soon as the election was sorted out I never wobbled on Boris winning with a majority and taking us out.0 -
And the next few hundred years were a blast.Cookie said:Actually, the last time Britain threw off the yoke of foreign oppression it was similarly low key. When the Romans left (and I can't remember the details here, surely we have some classicist who can step in?) the British leader wrote a polite letter to Rome noting that as there were no soldiers left in the country, would it be ok if we ran our own affairs? Estrangement from Europe was not universally welcomed then either, particularly among the elite. [Note this is based on a couple of paragraphs I read on the subject a couple of decades ago; I will take no offence at more learned contributors elucidating or flat out contradicting].
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Indeed.RobD said:
Doesn't that show what a transformation Maastricht was? Federalism really shifted up a gear then.another_richard said:Leavers should give a big hand to John Major whose peevish, embittered uselessness was a key turning point in setting the country on the course which has led to today.
It should be remembered that back in 1992 the number of Conservative MPs who wanted to leave the then EC was less than ten.
But it was also the economic shambles of the ERM and the way the EU showed it had contempt for democracy after the Danish referendum.0 -
Richard you fine fellow. I believe it is only fair to give you a chance to close the bet we had now. Whilst there is a theoretical possibility that at the end of the transition we will move to EFTA, I think it is now vanishingly small and so believe I should do the honourable thing and settle up.Richard_Nabavi said:Betfair have settled on the Brexit date market!
I believe I owe you £100. If by some miracle we do move to EFTA in December we can always sort something out but given you have waited three and a half years to get your money back from me I think it is wrong to make you wait any longer.
Send me details old chap and I will make the arrangements.0 -
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.0 -
About to prove you wrong. Night all.TheGreenMachine said:I believe the people who supported Brexit won't sleep tonight.
We wake in a Brave New.....nah, forget it.0 -
The only bottle of white in our fridge is from the Bolney Estate in Sussex. I feel a bit of a wally drinking a glass of it tonight, but it’s only because there’s nothing else, not because of Brexit!Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
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We'd still be in it now if it wasn't for Jo Swinson inadvertently sacrificing her career for the good of the nation.rottenborough said:Confession time.
I have said on this blog on regular occasions that we would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.
I was wrong and I accept the shame.0 -
That makes absolutely no sense at all!!MarqueeMark said:
It is, as of today. Your ability to run to the EU and say the beastly UK is being beastly to you just ended.....SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
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And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.Jonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.0 -
I'd have preferred to have stayed in the 1990s version of the EU if it had still existed.1
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So be it. I can do my bit and no more.Ave_it said:
Lol Southam 5 more years in opposition for you.SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
First time CON have increased their vote in six straight elections since 1066
CON in power until 2200
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I didn't know that. Good night to you too, wherever you are. May your dreams be of Ireland and shoes. Irish shoes, perhaps.Beibheirli_C said:
I am no longer there. I movedCookie said:
Surprusingly, in my bit of South Mamchester middle class suburbia remainia - about four miles inwards from yours - there are fireworks. I'm used to being the only leaver in the village, as it were, so this is slightly unexpected.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Goodnight all.0 -
Just walked thriugh George Square, about 50 blokes with UJs in the rain. For some reason they seemed to be blasting out Status Quo from a tinny speaker, which is sending out mixed messages to say the least.0
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It wasn’t on offer.Andy_JS said:I'd have preferred to have stayed in the 1990s version of the EU if it had still existed.
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Brexiteers and eurosceptics don’t get to blame the EU any more. Since they’ve spent the last 30 years being negative, doing us down, don’t count on a huge amount of positive support now.MarqueeMark said:
It is, as of today. Your ability to run to the EU and say the beastly UK is being beastly to you just ended.....SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.0 -
I don't know for sure, and apologies for speaking for another poster, but I think Bev was born in Northern Ireland.Casino_Royale said:Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....0 -
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.3 -
Missing the EU
I voting Rebecca Long Bailey 🇪🇺0 -
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
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Why would that be? Nervousness? Excitement? Secret shame?TheGreenMachine said:I believe the people who supported Brexit won't sleep tonight.
If it's the latter id say it's usually wrong to assume people dont mean what they say, and anyone still a leaver wont regret that tonight. If it's the middle I doubt many are so enthused they'll give up a night's rest about it. If it's the first, well, leaps like this will cause disquiet even for many supporters, but the nerves will be there tomorrow so of course they'll sleep.0 -
Though with an EU spouse you have other ways to keep your FoM as I understand.Casino_Royale said:Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.0 -
I went to Leamington once and could only find Cheddar 😊😊🇪🇺SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.0 -
Which is why I think that John Major was the turning point with his obsession with staying in the ERM and then forcing through the Maastricht treaty.Andy_JS said:I'd have preferred to have stayed in the 1990s version of the EU if it had still existed.
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Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.SouthamObserver said:
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.0 -
Indeed, but there is something unpatriotic about celebrating nothing of the many good things this country stands for or has to offer.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
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Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.Jonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.0 -
Today I learned that Portsea was the third most populous island in the British Isles. Every day is a learning day on PB but its time for bed.0
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Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.Richard_Tyndall said:
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.Casino_Royale said:
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?FF43 said:
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doingCasino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
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Nope, wrong dummy.Foxy said:
Though with an EU spouse you have other ways to keep your FoM as I understand.Casino_Royale said:Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.Beibheirli_C said:
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.
I have British citizenship alone, am not eligible or interested in applying for any other (ever) and my wife voted Leave too.
I never asked for EU citizenship, nor wanted it, so spare me your crocodile tears.0 -
"Bacchus", that's a suspiciously foreign sounding word. Are you sure it's not secretly Greek wine?isam said:
The only bottle of white in our fridge is from the Bolney Estate in Sussex. I feel a bit of a wally drinking a glass of it tonight, but it’s only because there’s nothing else, not because of Brexit!Casino_Royale said:
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?SouthamObserver said:
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!Casino_Royale said:
Treasonous and pathetic.FF43 said:Leavers don't seem very happy.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.0 -
What a dickish thing to say.Jonathan said:
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.Casino_Royale said:
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.Jonathan said:
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.Casino_Royale said:
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.Jonathan said:
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.Casino_Royale said:
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Grow up.0
