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Unfortunate choice of words.GIN1138 said:Hope Gina and Jolyon aren't knocking up a judge in Edinburgh to get one final injunction to keep us in!
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Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?ralphmalph said:
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
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UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”0 -
The idea is that we'll have chargers that conform to a common standard, but that the phone interface is up to manufacturers.Philip_Thompson said:
Do you mean they all have to be eg USB Type C? So no Lightning etc?rcs1000 said:
They're not actually insisting on a common cable, the story is wrong. They are insisting on common charging standards. That means the cable to charger interface has to be standard.Philip_Thompson said:
So no company can innovate with a newer, better cable?OldKingCole said:From the BBC. MEP’s have voted for universal charging cables for mobiles. Same charger for Samsung, Apple etc.
At first sight that’s a Good Idea.
Won’t happen in UK of course!
Hopefully everyone moves on to wireless charging but banning innovation doesn't seem smart. Almost all companies have already moved to standard ones anyway.
Or the connection to the charger block so they all need to be USB? Aren't they all already USB?
The result of this is that iPhones will get a lightning-to-usb c cable, and charging bricks will all have USB c output and conform USB-PD standards.
This does not mean you can't innovate. You can have your own snazzy high power interface. But if the device at the other end doesn't support it, you need to fall back to USB-PD.
The idea, rightly or wrongly, is to reduce e-waste by being able to reduce the number of chargers in existence.0 -
Maybe at 5 minutes to it'll be postedPhilip_Thompson said:Shame on @TheScreamingEagles for never using this in a thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
Hand in your pop culture card!
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At this moment we really need Jeremy, the man who always brings people together.0
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When is Jo Maugham QC going to lay down his Hadouken! move?
He’s cutting it pretty fine..0 -
Lordy. We've got at least another eleven months of Boris rippling his pects in everyone's faces, just to keep his boys and girls swooning. Will this never end?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
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UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”0 -
Well, yeah, they have an advantage - sure.Richard_Nabavi said:
That they have the upper hand in the negotiations.Casino_Royale said:
True, but what has the EU learnt?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
But, that wasn’t my question..
What has the EU learnt from Brexit?0 -
Obviously since high-handedness is their forte.Richard_Nabavi said:
That they have the upper hand in the negotiations.Casino_Royale said:
True, but what has the EU learnt?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/0 -
I wonder what they'll do with the last £173,611?MarqueeMark said:Five minutes left.
You can still boil an egg whilst in the EU.0 -
Bedtime0
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And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
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Never quite sure whether Johnson really believes his own nonsense or whether it's just a (successful) ploy to keep his supporters in happy ignorance while he does his thing.Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”0 -
I am refreshing the European Union page on Wikipedia. Sad. 0
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Last minute guys...0
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Sigh0
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They’re trying to make a WTO-exit credible to increase leverage in the primary trade talks. To be credible, we have to be prepared and be seen to be prepared and to go through with it if our bluff is called.Richard_Nabavi said:
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?ralphmalph said:
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
I think that’s a fair, if high risk, strategy.0 -
I need to dig up that it's happening gif....numbertwelve said:Last minute guys...
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Referee's looking at his watch. He's going to blow it any second.0
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Very little, if anything.Casino_Royale said:Well, yeah, they have an advantage - sure.
But, that wasn’t my question..
What has the EU learnt from Brexit?
Whether it matters now is moot TBH. Obviously the EU is greatly diminished by Brexit, but there's no point them crying over milk they spilt five years ago.0 -
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?Richard_Nabavi said:
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?ralphmalph said:
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”0 -
BONG.
Cheerieu.....0 -
Brexit happened. Continent cut off.0
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bong!0
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I feel a bit claustrophobic on this little island0
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It's 1956!0
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The EU are offering no tariffs and quotas but will impose border controls.Casino_Royale said:
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.0 -
So.0
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We’re out.0
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Fireworks over Yorkshire!0
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In the style of Sir Jimmy Goldsmith:
OUT! OUT! OUT! OUT!0 -
Only 11 bongs? Rationing started pretty quickly.0
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Where's Marty McFly?0
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Has the sky fallen on our heads yet?0
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Now what?0
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The hangover begins.0
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Next.0
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Blimey! A few fireworks here in suburban Ilford!0
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No bit.ralphmalph said:
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?0 -
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?Casino_Royale said:
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.0 -
The EU maps on Wikipedia have been changed.0
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Fireworks in deepest remania central Cardiff! Genuinely surprised. Almost subversive round here.0
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It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .Casino_Royale said:
They’re trying to make a WTO-exit credible to increase leverage in the primary trade talks. To be credible, we have to be prepared and be seen to be prepared and to go through with it if our bluff is called.Richard_Nabavi said:
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?ralphmalph said:
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
I think that’s a fair, if high risk, strategy.
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Rejoin! Rejoin! Rejoin!0
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Wikipedia has already been updated0
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We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
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Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-249242190 -
It’s perfectly credible.nico67 said:
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .Casino_Royale said:
They’re trying to make a WTO-exit credible to increase leverage in the primary trade talks. To be credible, we have to be prepared and be seen to be prepared and to go through with it if our bluff is called.Richard_Nabavi said:
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?ralphmalph said:
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
I think that’s a fair, if high risk, strategy.0 -
Thanks Jezza. We couldn't have done it without you. 0
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Farage’s Britain beginsMikeSmithson said:0 -
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
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It is the only reason it happened.Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-249242190 -
Does that include the Vietnam war ?kinabalu said:BEST president IMO is LBJ. Achieved a lot in a short time and most of it good.
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On that particular bit, in the Irish Sea, as required, or digitally. And yes, I know he says he won’t etc blah blah blah, so don’t bother pointing that out to me.viewcode said:
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?Casino_Royale said:
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.0 -
Enlargement was a noble idea. It should have been phased. Hubris.Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
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It's delusional claptrap, certainly, but I have a horrible feeling that they do believe it.nico67 said:It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.0 -
Greetings fellow children of Nigel.0
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I have not mentioned no deal at all, why bring it in unless your argument is so weak that it is not worth stating. My point is that as soon as the PD was released by the EU/UK it was 100% clear that there would be customs checks and SPS checks at the border. Only a complete idiot thinks this is being done now for leverage, it was all agreed a long time ago and is the default outcome.Richard_Nabavi said:
No bit.ralphmalph said:
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?0 -
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We hum the same old lines to a different crowdRichard_Nabavi said:
No bit.ralphmalph said:
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?
And everybody wants to cheer it
We run on endless time to reach a higher cloud
But we never ever seem to get near it0 -
I felt a huge sigh of relief at 11pm to be honest.
I never wanted to be in that organisation, and didn’t agree with either its vision or objectives.0 -
We hold ALL the cards.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's delusional claptrap, certainly, but I have a horrible feeling that they do believe it.nico67 said:It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.0 -
Yeah. I can hear them as well in Bootle.Sunil_Prasannan said:Blimey! A few fireworks here in suburban Ilford!
EU not as popular as we thought in Merseyside.....0 -
At least someone might have learnt something.isam said:
It is the only reason it happened.Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-249242190 -
The Berkshire sky is deathly silent.0
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No maybe about it.Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
The maybe is would Cameron have become PM if the restrictions had been imposed.0 -
Chill, and get with the programme.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's delusional claptrap, certainly, but I have a horrible feeling that they do believe it.nico67 said:It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.
You’re uncharacteristically remoaney tonight.0 -
Take it up with Peter Foster, he's the one quoting UK negotiators saying it will give us leverage.ralphmalph said:
I have not mentioned no deal at all, why bring it in unless your argument is so weak that it is not worth stating. My point is that as soon as the PD was released by the EU/UK it was 100% clear that there would be customs checks and SPS checks at the border. Only a complete idiot thinks this is being done now for leverage, it was all agreed a long time ago and is the default outcome.Richard_Nabavi said:
No bit.ralphmalph said:
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?0 -
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/dont-listen-to-the-whingers-london-needs-immigrants-6786170.html
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Ah, is that schadenfreude i'm feeling right now?Beibheirli_C said:
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/dont-listen-to-the-whingers-london-needs-immigrants-6786170.html 0 -
Personally I think the first ten minutes have been a great success!1
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Because, let me guess, Boris owns Brexit? It's not that I don't sympathise, but nothing looks more impotent than premature schadenfreude.Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
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"In the Irish Sea"? I have this image of a shed on a raft.Casino_Royale said:
On that particular bit, in the Irish Sea, as required, or digitally. And yes, I know he says he won’t etc blah blah blah, so don’t bother pointing that out to me.viewcode said:
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?Casino_Royale said:
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
...
UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.
More seriously, I appreciate you find it boring, but it is also important and relevant. The inability/refusal of people to come to terms with this point - as evinced by your uncharacteristically rude response - is notable.0 -
Dear oh dear, "Oh it is not me it is the big boy at the Telegraph." Pathetic.Richard_Nabavi said:
Take it up with Peter Foster, he's the one quoting UK negotiators saying it will give us leverage.ralphmalph said:
I have not mentioned no deal at all, why bring it in unless your argument is so weak that it is not worth stating. My point is that as soon as the PD was released by the EU/UK it was 100% clear that there would be customs checks and SPS checks at the border. Only a complete idiot thinks this is being done now for leverage, it was all agreed a long time ago and is the default outcome.Richard_Nabavi said:
No bit.ralphmalph said:
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?0 -
Don't like being outside EU
Cyclefree Meeks Tyson and the other moneyed left were right. Can we come back please?
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"In the Irish Sea"? I have this image of a shed on a raft.Casino_Royale said:
On that particular bit, in the Irish Sea, as required, or digitally. And yes, I know he says he won’t etc blah blah blah, so don’t bother pointing that out to me.viewcode said:
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?Casino_Royale said:
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.Richard_Nabavi said:If this report is accurate, the fantasists running the government have learnt nothing:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/31/boris-johnson-ramps-pressure-eu-plans-impose-full-customs-border/
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”
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UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.
More seriously, I appreciate you find it boring, but it is also important and relevant. The inability/refusal of people to come to terms with this point - as evinced by your uncharacteristically rude response - is notable.
You asked a stupid question. So I gave a stupid answer.
We’ve all moved on from NI border now. That’s so 2019.
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Certainly not. But glamour boy JFK is much to blame for that by my reading. He gets cut a lot of slack on account of being shot with a high powered rifle in Dealey Plaza on that fateful November day at some point in the early 60s.another_richard said:Does that include the Vietnam war ?
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They sowed the wind, and have reaped the whirlwind.Beibheirli_C said:
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/dont-listen-to-the-whingers-london-needs-immigrants-6786170.html0 -
Not at all. I prefaced my original post with 'If this report is accurate..'. Peter Foster is generally extremely well-informed, but maybe he's got this wrong. If so then clearly my conclusion would be different.ralphmalph said:
Dear oh dear, "Oh it is not me it is the big boy at the Telegraph." Pathetic.Richard_Nabavi said:
Take it up with Peter Foster, he's the one quoting UK negotiators saying it will give us leverage.ralphmalph said:
I have not mentioned no deal at all, why bring it in unless your argument is so weak that it is not worth stating. My point is that as soon as the PD was released by the EU/UK it was 100% clear that there would be customs checks and SPS checks at the border. Only a complete idiot thinks this is being done now for leverage, it was all agreed a long time ago and is the default outcome.Richard_Nabavi said:
No bit.ralphmalph said:
What bit of the political declaration that says we will not be in a customs union do you not understand?
So, are you seriously repeating the garbage about how the EU will fold if we threaten no deal? Really? I mean, really, really?0 -
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
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THIS. 1000x THIS. Tweet of the evening.GIN1138 said:Thanks Jezza. We couldn't have done it without you.
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What’s amazing is that the Blair government didn’t seem to consider the way it would alter the votes of the millions of British people affected. Genuine hubris.another_richard said:
No maybe about it.Andy_JS said:Maybe this is one of the reasons why it happened:
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.
The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
The maybe is would Cameron have become PM if the restrictions had been imposed.0 -
Still Euromillions on the national lottery.
Hanging on in there.0 -
Ah, thought you had returned since you have your old avatar back. My apologies.Beibheirli_C said:
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.RobD said:
PB is addictive, isn't it?Beibheirli_C said:
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.Gallowgate said:Now what?
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No, but we do hold some cards.Jonathan said:
We hold ALL the cards.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's delusional claptrap, certainly, but I have a horrible feeling that they do believe it.nico67 said:It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
2020 is just going to be a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement negotiation: stupid bluster from the Brexiteers, followed by the inevitable climbdown when they bump up against their own brain-dead, self-imposed deadline.
The balance of advantage lies somewhere between 30-70 to the EU to 40-60 to the EU, depending on the issue. On financial services and the city it might even be at parity.
Yet, the debate always seems to plunge new depths of reducto ad absurdium and hinge on whether it’s 100-0, or 0-100.
It’s pointless, repetitive, unenlightening and depressing.0
