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Leave has won via Direct Democracy and Parliamentary Democracy, there is nothing really left to say.Philip_Thompson said:
They've ended up winning. They've got a deal much more to their liking, a Parliament much more to their liking and will get a final Brexit agreement much more to their liking.TOPPING said:All's fair if it's legal and tests the robustness of the Constitution (cf prorogation of parliament). For me it was the fanatics of the ERG who frustrated Brexit for so long.
And what have they ended up with before anyone crows at their victory? A path to a united Ireland. Well done them.
The ERG have won. The idea they "frustrated Brexit" is a fallacy that should have long since been put down now.
As for the path to the united Ireland, that may be relevant if you were talking about the DUP not the ERG. Of those who opposed May's deal the ERG are big winners and the DUP, Tiggers, Labour, Lib Dems and Conservative Remainers are the big losers.0 -
Niece work if you can get it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Uncle Vice is an awesome typo.FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
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I am sure leavers will have plenty more to say about this!isam said:
Leave has won via Direct Democracy and Parliamentary Democracy, there is nothing really left to say.Philip_Thompson said:
They've ended up winning. They've got a deal much more to their liking, a Parliament much more to their liking and will get a final Brexit agreement much more to their liking.TOPPING said:All's fair if it's legal and tests the robustness of the Constitution (cf prorogation of parliament). For me it was the fanatics of the ERG who frustrated Brexit for so long.
And what have they ended up with before anyone crows at their victory? A path to a united Ireland. Well done them.
The ERG have won. The idea they "frustrated Brexit" is a fallacy that should have long since been put down now.
As for the path to the united Ireland, that may be relevant if you were talking about the DUP not the ERG. Of those who opposed May's deal the ERG are big winners and the DUP, Tiggers, Labour, Lib Dems and Conservative Remainers are the big losers.0 -
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.0 -
74% is not a very high combined total when you've got a party leader in your seat.Chris said:
They voted against the desperate stunts of Swinson to block Brexit - and for the desperate stunts of the SNP? The combined Lib Dem/SNP vote in Swinson's seat totalling 74%?Philip_Thompson said:
To you it seems. If the voters were impressed with the likes of Swinson, Soubry etc they could have kept their seats. None did.Chris said:
Surely this election result provides enough ammunition for sensible points to be made by PB Tories, without descending to quite this level of absurdity.0 -
We are all leavers now brother!noneoftheabove said:
I am sure leavers will have plenty more to say about this!isam said:
Leave has won via Direct Democracy and Parliamentary Democracy, there is nothing really left to say.Philip_Thompson said:
They've ended up winning. They've got a deal much more to their liking, a Parliament much more to their liking and will get a final Brexit agreement much more to their liking.TOPPING said:All's fair if it's legal and tests the robustness of the Constitution (cf prorogation of parliament). For me it was the fanatics of the ERG who frustrated Brexit for so long.
And what have they ended up with before anyone crows at their victory? A path to a united Ireland. Well done them.
The ERG have won. The idea they "frustrated Brexit" is a fallacy that should have long since been put down now.
As for the path to the united Ireland, that may be relevant if you were talking about the DUP not the ERG. Of those who opposed May's deal the ERG are big winners and the DUP, Tiggers, Labour, Lib Dems and Conservative Remainers are the big losers.0 -
Floor to sit on? luxury! When I were a lad, we had to bluddy stand on trains, else guard gave us a clip round t’ear.Chris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.0 -
I can see Tim Farren at the back.FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
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Can you name the missing MP?Sandpit said:
Layla, Sarah, ... , err...FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
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Damn,....thats just...sad.Richard_Nabavi said:
Missing in action. That's the 10 other MPs plus Sal Brinton, I think.Pulpstar said:
Where is Jamie Stone ?Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
I think he’s in a very marginal district in NJ, and is well to the right of the average Democrat.FrancisUrquhart said:
What.....there has to be more to the story than that? Why would any democrat being going to the Republicans. You would think if anything it would be the other way around.Sandpit said:Ooh, we have an American floor-crosser.
Congressman Jeff van Drew leaving the Democrats and joining the Republicans over Trump’s impeachment.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7796061/Five-employees-Rep-Jeff-Van-Drew-RESIGN-lawmakers-decision-join-Republicans.html0 -
Well I hope that the passengers on the leave train remember who chose the destination and who they chose to drive the train. Whether it goes right or wrong they should take responsibility.isam said:
We are all leavers now brother!noneoftheabove said:
I am sure leavers will have plenty more to say about this!isam said:
Leave has won via Direct Democracy and Parliamentary Democracy, there is nothing really left to say.Philip_Thompson said:
They've ended up winning. They've got a deal much more to their liking, a Parliament much more to their liking and will get a final Brexit agreement much more to their liking.TOPPING said:All's fair if it's legal and tests the robustness of the Constitution (cf prorogation of parliament). For me it was the fanatics of the ERG who frustrated Brexit for so long.
And what have they ended up with before anyone crows at their victory? A path to a united Ireland. Well done them.
The ERG have won. The idea they "frustrated Brexit" is a fallacy that should have long since been put down now.
As for the path to the united Ireland, that may be relevant if you were talking about the DUP not the ERG. Of those who opposed May's deal the ERG are big winners and the DUP, Tiggers, Labour, Lib Dems and Conservative Remainers are the big losers.0 -
He used to gut fish for a living!Pulpstar said:
Where is Jamie Stone ?Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
This was his Deal or No Deal...interesting insight into how a pro thinks/calculates about risk and probability!TrèsDifficile said:
"WHILE most people in the betting industry have been busy trying to work out impossible races like the Pertemps Final Handicap Hurdle at Cheltenham, one Bet365 employee had his mind on other puzzles recently.FrancisUrquhart said:
How did he get on?TheScreamingEagles said:
More importantly he was also on Deal or No Deal.SandyRentool said:BBC: "Aaron Bell, now Tory MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme, is used to being on camera thanks to multiple quiz show appearances. Mr Bell has been on University Challenge, the Krypton Factor in 2009 and Only Connect." No mention of his PB connection.
Bet365's Aaron Bell was crowned The Krypton Factor champion on Thursday with an astonishingly high score of 47 and that was after making himself second favourite to win the ITV gameshow.
The trading development manager has been a regular on the telly over the years, notably picking up £25,000 on Deal Or No Deal, and his addiction to gameshows led Bell to naming the tables at his weddings after the programmes he had previously been on.
As well as The Krypton Factor and Deal Or No Deal, Bell has also appeared on Fifteen To One, University Challenge, Eggheads, TV Scrabble, Defectors, Memory Bank, Brainteaser, The Waiting Game and Playing For Time, while his wife made an appearance on Golden Balls.
Bet365 spokesman Steve Freeth said: "Hopefully he will now stop signing autographs for the tea ladies and concentrate on pushing the company forward!" "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIbEdzrR4Vc0 -
Stand on't floor?ydoethur said:
Floor to sit on? luxury! When I were a lad, we had to bluddy stand on trains, else guard gave us a clip round t’ear.Chris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.0 -
Where is the Change UK photo ?1
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To finish off your teatime viewing... I note that somehow this extensive list ("As well as The Krypton Factor and Deal Or No Deal, Bell has also appeared on Fifteen To One, University Challenge, Eggheads, TV Scrabble, Defectors, Memory Bank, Brainteaser, The Waiting Game and Playing For Time") misses the fact that not only did he make an appearance on Only Connect, his team - the Epicureans - were Champions! And then crowned Champion of Champions!! But could they become Champion of Champion of Champions??TrèsDifficile said:
"WHILE most people in the betting industry have been busy trying to work out impossible races like the Pertemps Final Handicap Hurdle at Cheltenham, one Bet365 employee had his mind on other puzzles recently.FrancisUrquhart said:
How did he get on?TheScreamingEagles said:
More importantly he was also on Deal or No Deal.SandyRentool said:BBC: "Aaron Bell, now Tory MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme, is used to being on camera thanks to multiple quiz show appearances. Mr Bell has been on University Challenge, the Krypton Factor in 2009 and Only Connect." No mention of his PB connection.
Bet365's Aaron Bell was crowned The Krypton Factor champion on Thursday with an astonishingly high score of 47 and that was after making himself second favourite to win the ITV gameshow.
The trading development manager has been a regular on the telly over the years, notably picking up £25,000 on Deal Or No Deal, and his addiction to gameshows led Bell to naming the tables at his weddings after the programmes he had previously been on.
As well as The Krypton Factor and Deal Or No Deal, Bell has also appeared on Fifteen To One, University Challenge, Eggheads, TV Scrabble, Defectors, Memory Bank, Brainteaser, The Waiting Game and Playing For Time, while his wife made an appearance on Golden Balls.
Bet365 spokesman Steve Freeth said: "Hopefully he will now stop signing autographs for the tea ladies and concentrate on pushing the company forward!" "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaWpkHQ5JQ1 -
He's the kind of Democrat who made Lieberman look like Bernie S. - and recently mused about voting for Trump next year.FrancisUrquhart said:
What.....there has to be more to the story than that? Why would any democrat being going to the Republicans. You would think if anything it would be the other way around.Sandpit said:Ooh, we have an American floor-crosser.
Congressman Jeff van Drew leaving the Democrats and joining the Republicans over Trump’s impeachment.
I'm not sure the Democrats gain all that much from running right wing candidates in what are staunchly Republican districts. The negative PR from events like this outweighs the occasional vote they get from them in Congress.0 -
Literally days before then 10th anniversary of the last defection. A disastrous and somewhat amusing story, Parker Griffiths won a tight district in Alabama and only a year into his term defected to the Republicans. But just 6 months later he lost his primary and so never ran for re-election as a Republican. The primary challenger won the seat, so Griffiths primaried him back 2 years on, but lost decisively. Finally he defected back to the Democrats and ran for Governor, losing.Sandpit said:Ooh, we have an American floor-crosser.
Congressman Jeff van Drew leaving the Democrats and joining the Republicans over Trump’s impeachment.0 -
He was going to get primaried and his polling numbers for the primary were utterly horrific- something like 17% support.Sandpit said:
I think he’s in a very marginal district in NJ, and is well to the right of the average Democrat.FrancisUrquhart said:
What.....there has to be more to the story than that? Why would any democrat being going to the Republicans. You would think if anything it would be the other way around.Sandpit said:Ooh, we have an American floor-crosser.
Congressman Jeff van Drew leaving the Democrats and joining the Republicans over Trump’s impeachment.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7796061/Five-employees-Rep-Jeff-Van-Drew-RESIGN-lawmakers-decision-join-Republicans.html1 -
Isn't that the title of a Christmas Movie?TheScreamingEagles said:
Uncle Vice is an awesome typo.FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
Uncle Vice comes to stay over the festive period, handing out a selection of interesting gifts to the rest of the family, and finding his way into all manner of hilarious scrapes.
Before being arrested on New Year's Eve.1 -
You'd trains ?ydoethur said:
Floor to sit on? luxury! When I were a lad, we had to bluddy stand on trains, else guard gave us a clip round t’ear.Chris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.
Bluddy lux'ry. We 'us lucky to 'ave cart to drag.0 -
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:0 -
After being pulled off New Year's Eve, surely ?SandyRentool said:
Isn't that the title of a Christmas Movie?TheScreamingEagles said:
Uncle Vice is an awesome typo.FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
Uncle Vice comes to stay over the festive period, handing out a selection of interesting gifts to the rest of the family, and finding his way into all manner of hilarious scrapes.
Before being arrested on New Year's Eve.0 -
Ah, found it: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/nadler-anti-impeachment-democrat-switching-parties-because-bad-primary-poll-n1102406
Van Drew was polling 24% to get renominated.0 -
Boris being half American explains much...Quincel said:
Literally days before then 10th anniversary of the last defection. A disastrous and somewhat amusing story, Parker Griffiths won a tight district in Alabama and only a year into his term defected to the Republicans. But just 6 months later he lost his primary and so never ran for re-election as a Republican. The primary challenger won the seat, so Griffiths primaried him back 2 years on, but lost decisively. Finally he defected back to the Democrats and ran for Governor, losing.Sandpit said:Ooh, we have an American floor-crosser.
Congressman Jeff van Drew leaving the Democrats and joining the Republicans over Trump’s impeachment.0 -
Cart? You were lucky. We ‘ad to carry the packhorse.Nigelb said:
You'd trains ?ydoethur said:
Floor to sit on? luxury! When I were a lad, we had to bluddy stand on trains, else guard gave us a clip round t’ear.Chris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.
Bluddy lux'ry. We 'us lucky to 'ave cart to drag.0 -
I thought Long Bailey didn't do too badly at all in the various TV debates. Rayner looks fighting fit too judging by her appearance at the count.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
They won't win in 2024 but Labour could do far worse.0 -
Yes. In which case Labour are ducked.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
That is a strange autocorrect effort, but I’m leaving it. Autocorrect has been completely quackers recently.0 -
Well, yes. They could elect Richard Burgon, or Ian Lavery.Pulpstar said:
I thought Long Bailey didn't do too badly at all in the various TV debates. Rayner looks fighting fit too judging by her appearance at the count.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
They won't win in 2024 but Labour could do far worse.
But being far better than those two doesn’t mean Wrong Daily is any good.0 -
This is Labour. The party that went from having a Jewish leader to an antisemitic mess in less time than it takes to get to the next Olympics. There is nothing that is too stupid for them to embrace and tenderly snog.isam said:Is RLB the lay of the century to be next leader? (apart from the time Boris was)
6/4???!0 -
Crikey I am in a betting hole! Might have to join and vote for Jess Phillips!! Is it still three quid?ydoethur said:
Yes. In which case Labour are ducked.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
That is a strange autocorrect effort, but I’m leaving it. Autocorrect has been completely quackers recently.0 -
Its the one more heave strategy with a continuity Corbynista ticket. Even with the biggest defeat since 1930s, they are still going to go for more of the same.ydoethur said:
Well, yes. They could elect Richard Burgon, or Ian Lavery.Pulpstar said:
I thought Long Bailey didn't do too badly at all in the various TV debates. Rayner looks fighting fit too judging by her appearance at the count.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
They won't win in 2024 but Labour could do far worse.
But being far better than those two doesn’t mean Wrong Daily is any good.
I don't see how the likes of Southam Observer ever get his party back.
One thing the Tories need to do though is not let the ideas go unopposed.0 -
Well, one more heave will resolve it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its the one more heave strategy with a continuity Corbynista ticket. Even with the biggest defeat since 1930s, they are still going to go for more of the same.ydoethur said:
Well, yes. They could elect Richard Burgon, or Ian Lavery.Pulpstar said:
I thought Long Bailey didn't do too badly at all in the various TV debates. Rayner looks fighting fit too judging by her appearance at the count.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
They won't win in 2024 but Labour could do far worse.
But being far better than those two doesn’t mean Wrong Daily is any good.
I don't see how the likes of Southam Observer ever get his party back.
One thing the Tories need to do though is not let the ideas go unopposed.
To the advantage of the Liberal Democrats.0 -
I bloody hope so.ydoethur said:
Well, one more heave will resolve it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its the one more heave strategy with a continuity Corbynista ticket. Even with the biggest defeat since 1930s, they are still going to go for more of the same.ydoethur said:
Well, yes. They could elect Richard Burgon, or Ian Lavery.Pulpstar said:
I thought Long Bailey didn't do too badly at all in the various TV debates. Rayner looks fighting fit too judging by her appearance at the count.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
They won't win in 2024 but Labour could do far worse.
But being far better than those two doesn’t mean Wrong Daily is any good.
I don't see how the likes of Southam Observer ever get his party back.
One thing the Tories need to do though is not let the ideas go unopposed.
To the advantage of the Liberal Democrats.0 -
It was £25 last time. Not sure if they’ve set a price yet.isam said:
Crikey I am in a betting hole! Might have to join and vote for Jess Phillips!! Is it still three quid?ydoethur said:
Yes. In which case Labour are ducked.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
That is a strange autocorrect effort, but I’m leaving it. Autocorrect has been completely quackers recently.0 -
https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/01/on-the-referendum-31-project-maven-procurement-lollapalooza-results-nuclear-agi-safety/
My brain is melting out of my ears reading this.0 -
What the likes of Southam Observer should do, in my opinion, is not have a party to lose, and have to get back. Why cling on to an institution when you disagree with its policies and dislike its leaders so often? This is why decrepit old parties limp on, it hinders progressFrancisUrquhart said:
Its the one more heave strategy with a continuity Corbynista ticket. Even with the biggest defeat since 1930s, they are still going to go for more of the same.ydoethur said:
Well, yes. They could elect Richard Burgon, or Ian Lavery.Pulpstar said:
I thought Long Bailey didn't do too badly at all in the various TV debates. Rayner looks fighting fit too judging by her appearance at the count.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
They won't win in 2024 but Labour could do far worse.
But being far better than those two doesn’t mean Wrong Daily is any good.
I don't see how the likes of Southam Observer ever get his party back.
One thing the Tories need to do though is not let the ideas go unopposed.0 -
I love those "do you recognise this man/woman?" questions that pollsters sometimes ask. Tend to prick many a politician's ego. (As do the politics rounds on Pointless, if we're on the subject of TV shows.)FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
Even quite prominent cabinet ministers that we regard as well-known faces are often obscure to the bulk of the electorate. To put things in context, on average roughly 4 million people watch the BBC News at Ten and 2 milllion the ITV equivalent. Newsnight gets about 300k, Peston about half a million. Not sure about Channel 4 news since they give the "reach" figure rather than how many people on average watch each broadcast, but they reckon something like 7 million people watch at least 15 minutes of C4 news each month - I think it's under 1 million people per broadcast.
I would be surprised if any of those Lib Dems bar Tim Farron are recognisable to more than 20%, or even 10%, of the population.0 -
But just because it happens at Christmas...SandyRentool said:
Isn't that the title of a Christmas Movie?TheScreamingEagles said:
Uncle Vice is an awesome typo.FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
Uncle Vice comes to stay over the festive period, handing out a selection of interesting gifts to the rest of the family, and finding his way into all manner of hilarious scrapes.
Before being arrested on New Year's Eve.0 -
That is a valid point. Most of the public can't name more than a handful or two of politicians and their current correct position.MyBurningEars said:
I love those "do you recognise this man/woman?" questions that pollsters sometimes ask. Tend to prick many a politician's ego. (As do the politics rounds on Pointless, if we're on the subject of TV shows.)FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
Even quite prominent cabinet ministers that we regard as well-known faces are often obscure to the bulk of the electorate. To put things in context, on average roughly 4 million people watch the BBC News at Ten and 2 milllion the ITV equivalent. Newsnight gets about 300k, Peston about half a million. Not sure about Channel 4 news since they give the "reach" figure rather than how many people on average watch each broadcast, but they reckon something like 7 million people watch at least 15 minutes of C4 news each month - I think it's under 1 million people per broadcast.
I would be surprised if any of those Lib Dems bar Tim Farron are recognisable to more than 20%, or even 10%, of the population.
I do think Cable was one that people do know.0 -
The purity of the Momentum brand is far more important than Labour winning. Its scarcely credible but its true. Continuity Corbyn. CCHQ must be laughing.2
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My Labour leadership book is an unholy mess. I'm sure I had good reasons at the time to bet on Yvette Cooper, Stella Creasy, John McDonnell, Angela Eagle, Laura Pidcock, Tom Watson and Owen Smith [who?], but those are not exactly looking like far-sighted bets now.
Luckily I am mildly green on RLB, but even so...0 -
Likewise.Richard_Nabavi said:My Labour leadership book is an unholy mess. I'm sure I had good reasons at the time to bet on Yvette Cooper, Stella Creasy, John McDonnell, Angela Eagle, Laura Pidcock, Tom Watson and Owen Smith [who?], but those are not exactly looking like far-sighted bets now.
Luckily I am mildly green on RLB, but even so...
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I've bet on Daisy with 2 bookies so far.... yellow peril need a brand new reboot and she's the ticket I reckon....0
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What happened to her minders? I probably should be expected to be a supporter, but I'm more than somewhat suspicious of the string-pulling around and behind young Miss ThunbergChris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.0 -
Please le it be so.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
All Boris’ dreams will have come true.
No, not those sort of dreams.
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Well, apart from Tories, obviously.viewcode said:
This is Labour. The party that went from having a Jewish leader to an antisemitic mess in less time than it takes to get to the next Olympics. There is nothing that is too stupid for them to embrace and tenderly snog.isam said:Is RLB the lay of the century to be next leader? (apart from the time Boris was)
6/4???!0 -
That was a very good game!MyBurningEars said:
This was his Deal or No Deal...interesting insight into how a pro thinks/calculates about risk and probability!TrèsDifficile said:
"WHILE most people in the betting industry have been busy trying to work out impossible races like the Pertemps Final Handicap Hurdle at Cheltenham, one Bet365 employee had his mind on other puzzles recently.FrancisUrquhart said:
How did he get on?TheScreamingEagles said:
More importantly he was also on Deal or No Deal.SandyRentool said:BBC: "Aaron Bell, now Tory MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme, is used to being on camera thanks to multiple quiz show appearances. Mr Bell has been on University Challenge, the Krypton Factor in 2009 and Only Connect." No mention of his PB connection.
Bet365's Aaron Bell was crowned The Krypton Factor champion on Thursday with an astonishingly high score of 47 and that was after making himself second favourite to win the ITV gameshow.
The trading development manager has been a regular on the telly over the years, notably picking up £25,000 on Deal Or No Deal, and his addiction to gameshows led Bell to naming the tables at his weddings after the programmes he had previously been on.
As well as The Krypton Factor and Deal Or No Deal, Bell has also appeared on Fifteen To One, University Challenge, Eggheads, TV Scrabble, Defectors, Memory Bank, Brainteaser, The Waiting Game and Playing For Time, while his wife made an appearance on Golden Balls.
Bet365 spokesman Steve Freeth said: "Hopefully he will now stop signing autographs for the tea ladies and concentrate on pushing the company forward!" "
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So you had arms, huh? Wuss...ydoethur said:
Cart? You were lucky. We ‘ad to carry the packhorse.Nigelb said:
You'd trains ?ydoethur said:
Floor to sit on? luxury! When I were a lad, we had to bluddy stand on trains, else guard gave us a clip round t’ear.Chris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.
Bluddy lux'ry. We 'us lucky to 'ave cart to drag.
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What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.0 -
viewcode said:
So you had arms, huh? Wuss...ydoethur said:
Cart? You were lucky. We ‘ad to carry the packhorse.Nigelb said:
You'd trains ?ydoethur said:
Floor to sit on? luxury! When I were a lad, we had to bluddy stand on trains, else guard gave us a clip round t’ear.Chris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.
Bluddy lux'ry. We 'us lucky to 'ave cart to drag.
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Starmer is intelligent, articulate, doesn't foam at the mouth and can carry a coherent argument for more than 5 minutes. What on earth makes anyone think he has a chance?6
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Have we heard anything from Yvette yet? Is she running?0
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It’s the “Everyone is a winner, snowflake sports day” effect.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
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I now have a vision of him screwing Rebecca Long Bailey...across the despatch box...RobinWiggs said:
Please le it be so.isam said:
If so, and should Jezza anoint her, given the current membership I guess this is a walk over?Slackbladder said:
All Boris’ dreams will have come true.
No, not those sort of dreams.1 -
Peak Thornbery....
Brexit with rollercoasters: the £3.5bn London Resort fantasy theme park
With its rickety rides, fire-breathing dragons and Arthurian castle, the enchanted realms proposed for the Thames Estuary park are little Britain writ large.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/dec/16/london-resort-theme-park-thames-estuary-brexit
How dare a British theme park have a union jack....forget all the jobs it will create, it is a disgusting Gammon theme park.0 -
Not sure that they get this democracy thing but they are in line with current educational "thinking" (I use the word loosely) in that all must win prizes.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.0 -
Do we really want a leader representing a marginal seat?rottenborough said:Have we heard anything from Yvette yet? Is she running?
Never thought I would have to say that about Cooper's constituency!0 -
That was entertaining!MyBurningEars said:
This was his Deal or No Deal...interesting insight into how a pro thinks/calculates about risk and probability!TrèsDifficile said:
"WHILE most people in the betting industry have been busy trying to work out impossible races like the Pertemps Final Handicap Hurdle at Cheltenham, one Bet365 employee had his mind on other puzzles recently.FrancisUrquhart said:
How did he get on?TheScreamingEagles said:
More importantly he was also on Deal or No Deal.SandyRentool said:BBC: "Aaron Bell, now Tory MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme, is used to being on camera thanks to multiple quiz show appearances. Mr Bell has been on University Challenge, the Krypton Factor in 2009 and Only Connect." No mention of his PB connection.
Bet365's Aaron Bell was crowned The Krypton Factor champion on Thursday with an astonishingly high score of 47 and that was after making himself second favourite to win the ITV gameshow.
The trading development manager has been a regular on the telly over the years, notably picking up £25,000 on Deal Or No Deal, and his addiction to gameshows led Bell to naming the tables at his weddings after the programmes he had previously been on.
As well as The Krypton Factor and Deal Or No Deal, Bell has also appeared on Fifteen To One, University Challenge, Eggheads, TV Scrabble, Defectors, Memory Bank, Brainteaser, The Waiting Game and Playing For Time, while his wife made an appearance on Golden Balls.
Bet365 spokesman Steve Freeth said: "Hopefully he will now stop signing autographs for the tea ladies and concentrate on pushing the company forward!" "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIbEdzrR4Vc0 -
Its bulls**tFrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.0 -
You wouldn't call him charismatic though, would you.DavidL said:Starmer is intelligent, articulate, doesn't foam at the mouth and can carry a coherent argument for more than 5 minutes. What on earth makes anyone think he has a chance?
Maybe of course he hasn't had the chance to prove it, but he doesn't seem to have sought jobs where he might have to show any. Even in the McLibel case he was in the background.0 -
As a PR fan I thought they were going to be misrepresented by your post but they are not! It is barmy.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
Their press release also specifically mentions LD under representation but doesnt mention the Brexit party who have it even worse.1 -
That may of course be one potential drawback with Rayner. Majority of just 4000 and a Brexit Party vote of over 3,000SandyRentool said:
Do we really want a leader representing a marginal seat?rottenborough said:Have we heard anything from Yvette yet? Is she running?
Never thought I would have to say that about Cooper's constituency!0 -
I worked in a factory in 1989 and there was some confusion over who Margaret Thatcher was.FrancisUrquhart said:
That is a valid point. Most of the public can't name more than a handful or two of politicians and their current correct position.MyBurningEars said:
I love those "do you recognise this man/woman?" questions that pollsters sometimes ask. Tend to prick many a politician's ego. (As do the politics rounds on Pointless, if we're on the subject of TV shows.)FrancisUrquhart said:
It will be interesting to know how many of those the public could name. Not only do they now have bugger all MPs, they don't even have the likes of Uncle Vice or Norman Lamb.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1206594291285581824
Even quite prominent cabinet ministers that we regard as well-known faces are often obscure to the bulk of the electorate. To put things in context, on average roughly 4 million people watch the BBC News at Ten and 2 milllion the ITV equivalent. Newsnight gets about 300k, Peston about half a million. Not sure about Channel 4 news since they give the "reach" figure rather than how many people on average watch each broadcast, but they reckon something like 7 million people watch at least 15 minutes of C4 news each month - I think it's under 1 million people per broadcast.
I would be surprised if any of those Lib Dems bar Tim Farron are recognisable to more than 20%, or even 10%, of the population.
I do think Cable was one that people do know.0 -
Apart from their bessies all over the Government benches. A decent PR system would give them seats of course.noneoftheabove said:
As a PR fan I thought they were going to be misrepresented by your post but they are not! It is barmy.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
Their press release also specifically mentions LD under representation but doesnt mention the Brexit party who have it even worse.1 -
You think it might be a bit suspect that someone who can simultaenously be a vulnerable schoolgirl with a mental illness when attacked for her opinions, and a fully compos mentis young adult with a right to be taken seriously when making speeches, has been found as the poster girl for a worthy campaign?OldKingCole said:
What happened to her minders? I probably should be expected to be a supporter, but I'm more than somewhat suspicious of the string-pulling around and behind young Miss ThunbergChris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.
You philistine.1 -
No I wouldn't. But neither was Attlee...who beat Boris's hero and role model, probably our most charismatic PM of all time. I think a little bit of precision whilst Boris floats off onto his latest fantasy could be quite effective and Labour have no one who even gets close on charisma.OldKingCole said:
You wouldn't call him charismatic though, would you.DavidL said:Starmer is intelligent, articulate, doesn't foam at the mouth and can carry a coherent argument for more than 5 minutes. What on earth makes anyone think he has a chance?
Maybe of course he hasn't had the chance to prove it, but he doesn't seem to have sought jobs where he might have to show any. Even in the McLibel case he was in the background.1 -
Someone has to take the photo, sillyRichard_Nabavi said:
Missing in action. That's the 10 other MPs plus Sal Brinton, I think.Pulpstar said:
Where is Jamie Stone ?Richard_Nabavi said:
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On the beeb (Radio 4 and World Service) everyone seems to be talking up Lisa Nandy (sp). It's not a name I know.
I am also waiting with baited breath for the end of the period of reflection, when the conclusion (based on past form) will be "We didn't work hard enough to get our message across and need to explore how we can do better". The idea that it was the wrong message will probably not get much currency.
- or am I just totally cynical?0 -
33.9% of the French electorate are unrepresented by the President of the Republic.DavidL said:
Not sure that they get this democracy thing but they are in line with current educational "thinking" (I use the word loosely) in that all must win prizes.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.0 -
And that's amongst those who bothered to vote!Malmesbury said:
33.9% of the French electorate are unrepresented by the President of the Republic.DavidL said:
Not sure that they get this democracy thing but they are in line with current educational "thinking" (I use the word loosely) in that all must win prizes.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.0 -
As much as I dislike the Brexit Party being a believer in PR involves sticking up for parties I disagree with when the system is unjust against them. 642,000 votes for zero MPs cant be right.OldKingCole said:
Apart from their bessies all over the Government benches.noneoftheabove said:
As a PR fan I thought they were going to be misrepresented by your post but they are not! It is barmy.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
Their press release also specifically mentions LD under representation but doesnt mention the Brexit party who have it even worse.1 -
She is much more moderate and was part of the Miliband's shadow cabinet. Also, she is one of the few Labour MPs who are not blaming the media, the Jews, the Illuminati, etc for Labour's defeat.Tim_B said:On the beeb (Radio 4 and World Service) everyone seems to be talking up Lisa Nandy (sp). It's not a name I know.
I am also waiting with baited breath for the end of the period of reflection, when the conclusion (based on past form) will be "We didn't work hard enough to get our message across and need to explore how we can do better". The idea that it was the wrong message will probably not get much currency.
- or am I just totally cynical?
She is making it clear that in her opinion people in these "Red Wall" communities have just been ignored for 30+ years (both Tory and Labour governments) and that is why they voted for Brexit and now have voted Tory.0 -
On the contrary, backing Stella was a tad too far-sighted.Richard_Nabavi said:My Labour leadership book is an unholy mess. I'm sure I had good reasons at the time to bet on Yvette Cooper, Stella Creasy, John McDonnell, Angela Eagle, Laura Pidcock, Tom Watson and Owen Smith [who?], but those are not exactly looking like far-sighted bets now.
Luckily I am mildly green on RLB, but even so...0 -
Head before heart, so no. Never underestimate the capacity of Labour to score own goals.isam said:Is RLB the lay of the century to be next leader? (apart from the time Boris was)
6/4???!0 -
Thee's 'ad floors?Chris said:
Stand on't floor?ydoethur said:
Floor to sit on? luxury! When I were a lad, we had to bluddy stand on trains, else guard gave us a clip round t’ear.Chris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.0 -
I've often observed sometimes those who want something are the worst at putting forward good arguments as to why.noneoftheabove said:
As a PR fan I thought they were going to be misrepresented by your post but they are not! It is barmy.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
Their press release also specifically mentions LD under representation but doesnt mention the Brexit party who have it even worse.0 -
That's the nicest thing anyone's written about me for a long time!isam said:
You think it might be a bit suspect that someone who can simultaenously be a vulnerable schoolgirl with a mental illness when attacked for her opinions, and a fully compos mentis young adult with a right to be taken seriously when making speeches, has been found as the poster girl for a worthy campaign?OldKingCole said:
What happened to her minders? I probably should be expected to be a supporter, but I'm more than somewhat suspicious of the string-pulling around and behind young Miss ThunbergChris said:
No - she didn't have a seat reservation. As I explained in the first post you quoted, according to her she was offered a seat more than four hours into her journey - for the final third of it.JohnLilburne said:
PChris said:
You forgot to quote the part of that article that said she got a seat only more than four hours into her journey.FrancisUrquhart said:
No, they gave her one.....Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
“Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
DB confirmed that Greta had travelled first class between the cities of Kassel and Hamburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm
You were rushing to make a point, perhaps, and missed it?
Odd, you are normally booked on a specific service with a seat reservation on a DB long distance service. Unless she was doing it on a QdL or Land ticket in which case it's regional and local trains only without bookable seats.Chris said:
Surely she had even more cause for complaint, if she'd bought an expensive first-class ticket?FrancisUrquhart said:Taking a leaf out of Jezza's book...
Rail firm claims Greta Thunberg had FIRST CLASS seat after she posts snap of her sat on floor because of ‘overcrowding’
Quite possibly she shouldn't have complained, on the basis that four hours sitting on the floor never did us any harm when we were young. But let's at least get the facts straight.
You philistine.1 -
RobinWiggs said:
It’s the “Everyone is a winner, snowflake sports day” effect.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
No, it’s the perfectly reasonable view - adopted by most of the world - that the object of an election is to ensure that as many people are represented as possible.
Our system is designed to make more than half the voters feel like losers. And we wonder why our politics is in trouble.0 -
Surely they should just vote Tory then?IanB2 said:RobinWiggs said:
It’s the “Everyone is a winner, snowflake sports day” effect.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
No, it’s the perfectly reasonable view - adopted by most of the world - that the object of an election is to ensure that as many people are represented as possible.
Our system is designed to make more than half the voters feel like losers. And we wonder why our politics is in trouble.0 -
This is probably shaping up to be a Bailey/Rayner left wing slate against Nandy and possibly Phillips.Tim_B said:On the beeb (Radio 4 and World Service) everyone seems to be talking up Lisa Nandy (sp). It's not a name I know.
I am also waiting with baited breath for the end of the period of reflection, when the conclusion (based on past form) will be "We didn't work hard enough to get our message across and need to explore how we can do better". The idea that it was the wrong message will probably not get much currency.
- or am I just totally cynical?0 -
In your humour you cast light upon the problem.DavidL said:
Surely they should just vote Tory then?IanB2 said:RobinWiggs said:
It’s the “Everyone is a winner, snowflake sports day” effect.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
No, it’s the perfectly reasonable view - adopted by most of the world - that the object of an election is to ensure that as many people are represented as possible.
Our system is designed to make more than half the voters feel like losers. And we wonder why our politics is in trouble.
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DavidL said:
No I wouldn't. But neither was Attlee...who beat Boris's hero and role model, probably our most charismatic PM of all time. I think a little bit of precision whilst Boris floats off onto his latest fantasy could be quite effective and Labour have no one who even gets close on charisma.OldKingCole said:
You wouldn't call him charismatic though, would you.DavidL said:Starmer is intelligent, articulate, doesn't foam at the mouth and can carry a coherent argument for more than 5 minutes. What on earth makes anyone think he has a chance?
Maybe of course he hasn't had the chance to prove it, but he doesn't seem to have sought jobs where he might have to show any. Even in the McLibel case he was in the background.
Good point. Attlee did have a powerful, experienced and competent team around him though.0 -
What quite a few "small R" remainers were not impressed by was this - complicated legal manoeuvrings which avoided actually voting against Brexit, in increasingly bizarre attempts to somehow make the delays to Brexit the fault of Leavers.isam said:
Well I don't think Remain voters are abnormal. Stretch it as much as you like to take offence, fine by menoneoftheabove said:
Your statement defined that a normal person "generally" thinks remain tactics are wrong, it is therefore clearly suggesting that remainers are less normal. Over half the country voted for remain parties and the vast majority of them are perfectly normal.isam said:
It's you who is saying that I am phrasing only leavers as normal people. I didn't say anything of the sort.noneoftheabove said:
And many people who voted leave, and would again, were unimpressed with the desperate stunts of Johnson, Francois, Cummings and Rees-Mogg.isam said:
It's not.Chris said:
"Normal people" as reflected by opinion polls have remained split roughly equally between Leave and Remain ever since the referendum.isam said:
Normal people, who are generally unimpressed by lawyers finding loopholes that deny what they see as justice being done, were less impressed with the Remain MPs antics in preventing any deal being done than the MPs and their cronies in the echo chambereek said:
Because it avoids the truth being discussed..tlg86 said:
What I find amusing is that Brexit barely registered on the TV vox pops during the election. And yet, the moment the Tories romp home, the media magically find people who are prepared to say it was Brexit what won it.Wulfrun_Phil said:FrancisUrquhart said:.
So it's ironic that 2019 of all elections is the one in which the far left is trying to blame the media for Corbyn's travails. As ever they are searching for a scapegoat in order to escape their own responsibilities for failure.
Perhaps it's the screaming tabloid headlines you're thinking of.
Many people who voted Remain, and would again, were unimpressed with the desperate stunts pulled by the likes of Soubry, Allen, Chuka, Swinson etc
For someone who (rightly) complains about a large chunk of the electorate being forgotten by politicians, now your side has won it might be a good time to consider that phrasing leavers as "normal" people is unnecessarily divisive.1 -
Well - powerful and experienced. Not all of them were competent. Shinwell infamously could not have run a piss up in a brewery. Dalton was little better.OldKingCole said:DavidL said:
No I wouldn't. But neither was Attlee...who beat Boris's hero and role model, probably our most charismatic PM of all time. I think a little bit of precision whilst Boris floats off onto his latest fantasy could be quite effective and Labour have no one who even gets close on charisma.OldKingCole said:
You wouldn't call him charismatic though, would you.DavidL said:Starmer is intelligent, articulate, doesn't foam at the mouth and can carry a coherent argument for more than 5 minutes. What on earth makes anyone think he has a chance?
Maybe of course he hasn't had the chance to prove it, but he doesn't seem to have sought jobs where he might have to show any. Even in the McLibel case he was in the background.
Good point. Attlee did have a powerful, experienced and competent team around him though.0 -
Not even Boris has that, let alone the next Labour party leader. Our politics is in a poor place.OldKingCole said:DavidL said:
No I wouldn't. But neither was Attlee...who beat Boris's hero and role model, probably our most charismatic PM of all time. I think a little bit of precision whilst Boris floats off onto his latest fantasy could be quite effective and Labour have no one who even gets close on charisma.OldKingCole said:
You wouldn't call him charismatic though, would you.DavidL said:Starmer is intelligent, articulate, doesn't foam at the mouth and can carry a coherent argument for more than 5 minutes. What on earth makes anyone think he has a chance?
Maybe of course he hasn't had the chance to prove it, but he doesn't seem to have sought jobs where he might have to show any. Even in the McLibel case he was in the background.
Good point. Attlee did have a powerful, experienced and competent team around him though.0 -
"Our system is designed to make more than half the voters feel like losers."IanB2 said:RobinWiggs said:
It’s the “Everyone is a winner, snowflake sports day” effect.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
No, it’s the perfectly reasonable view - adopted by most of the world - that the object of an election is to ensure that as many people are represented as possible.
Our system is designed to make more than half the voters feel like losers. And we wonder why our politics is in trouble.
Yes, 52% of us felt like that for 3 1/2 years!4 -
That was the vote for the FN.....DavidL said:
And that's amongst those who bothered to vote!Malmesbury said:
33.9% of the French electorate are unrepresented by the President of the Republic.DavidL said:
Not sure that they get this democracy thing but they are in line with current educational "thinking" (I use the word loosely) in that all must win prizes.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.0 -
Pure happenstance, I assure you.IanB2 said:
In your humour you cast light upon the problem.DavidL said:
Surely they should just vote Tory then?IanB2 said:RobinWiggs said:
It’s the “Everyone is a winner, snowflake sports day” effect.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
No, it’s the perfectly reasonable view - adopted by most of the world - that the object of an election is to ensure that as many people are represented as possible.
Our system is designed to make more than half the voters feel like losers. And we wonder why our politics is in trouble.0 -
53-47 to Remain parties. They should have gone for a 2nd referendum, not a GEWulfrun_Phil said:
Are you comparing UK or GB shares? Both are on the wiki page for polling for the next GE.lolandol said:Incidentally, anyone know the correct share of the vote for last week? Wiki figures look wrong when you look at Con and Lab votes compared to total votes, both higher than they state.
Thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
The GB shares are Con 44.7% Lab 32.9% LD 11.8%, 4.0% SNP, 2.8% Green, 2.1% BXP at a GB level.
Opinium got their final poll spot on. 45% Con, 33% Lab, 12% LD0 -
I know.Malmesbury said:
That was the vote for the FN.....DavidL said:
And that's amongst those who bothered to vote!Malmesbury said:
33.9% of the French electorate are unrepresented by the President of the Republic.DavidL said:
Not sure that they get this democracy thing but they are in line with current educational "thinking" (I use the word loosely) in that all must win prizes.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.0 -
Sure it can be. No area wants them representing them, that's fair. Just because you get a vote doesn't mean you win.noneoftheabove said:
As much as I dislike the Brexit Party being a believer in PR involves sticking up for parties I disagree with when the system is unjust against them. 642,000 votes for zero MPs cant be right.OldKingCole said:
Apart from their bessies all over the Government benches.noneoftheabove said:
As a PR fan I thought they were going to be misrepresented by your post but they are not! It is barmy.FrancisUrquhart said:What a weird take....
The Electoral Reform Society, which campaigns for a fairer voting system, has released figures saying 14.5m voters are effectively “unrepresented” because they voted for a candidate who did not win.
Their press release also specifically mentions LD under representation but doesnt mention the Brexit party who have it even worse.0 -
I like the fact that they forget to mention that it is privately funded.FrancisUrquhart said:Peak Thornbery....
Brexit with rollercoasters: the £3.5bn London Resort fantasy theme park
With its rickety rides, fire-breathing dragons and Arthurian castle, the enchanted realms proposed for the Thames Estuary park are little Britain writ large.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/dec/16/london-resort-theme-park-thames-estuary-brexit
How dare a British theme park have a union jack....forget all the jobs it will create, it is a disgusting Gammon theme park.1 -
Filtering the result of a vote through another voting system is not all that helpful in my opinion. Some Cons would vote Remain, some Labour voters would vote Leave, some of the GE2019 electorate wouldn't vote in a referendum, some who didn't vote in GE2019 would, etcnot_on_fire said:
53-47 to Remain parties. They should have gone for a 2nd referendum, not a GEWulfrun_Phil said:
Are you comparing UK or GB shares? Both are on the wiki page for polling for the next GE.lolandol said:Incidentally, anyone know the correct share of the vote for last week? Wiki figures look wrong when you look at Con and Lab votes compared to total votes, both higher than they state.
Thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
The GB shares are Con 44.7% Lab 32.9% LD 11.8%, 4.0% SNP, 2.8% Green, 2.1% BXP at a GB level.
Opinium got their final poll spot on. 45% Con, 33% Lab, 12% LD2 -
Shinwell certainly messed up big time during the 1947 freeze. He could and should have done so much better.ydoethur said:
Well - powerful and experienced. Not all of them were competent. Shinwell infamously could not have run a piss up in a brewery. Dalton was little better.OldKingCole said:DavidL said:
No I wouldn't. But neither was Attlee...who beat Boris's hero and role model, probably our most charismatic PM of all time. I think a little bit of precision whilst Boris floats off onto his latest fantasy could be quite effective and Labour have no one who even gets close on charisma.OldKingCole said:
You wouldn't call him charismatic though, would you.DavidL said:Starmer is intelligent, articulate, doesn't foam at the mouth and can carry a coherent argument for more than 5 minutes. What on earth makes anyone think he has a chance?
Maybe of course he hasn't had the chance to prove it, but he doesn't seem to have sought jobs where he might have to show any. Even in the McLibel case he was in the background.
Good point. Attlee did have a powerful, experienced and competent team around him though.0 -
As you well know you can't do that. There are people who still back Remain who voted Tory, and Labour were neither a Remain or Leave party, and plenty of voters who voted Leave will still have voted Labour.not_on_fire said:
53-47 to Remain parties. They should have gone for a 2nd referendum, not a GEWulfrun_Phil said:
Are you comparing UK or GB shares? Both are on the wiki page for polling for the next GE.lolandol said:Incidentally, anyone know the correct share of the vote for last week? Wiki figures look wrong when you look at Con and Lab votes compared to total votes, both higher than they state.
Thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
The GB shares are Con 44.7% Lab 32.9% LD 11.8%, 4.0% SNP, 2.8% Green, 2.1% BXP at a GB level.
Opinium got their final poll spot on. 45% Con, 33% Lab, 12% LD1
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