Jess Phillips would be shite as leader. All she's done for the past 3 years is post sarcastic tweets without taking any action - I see no evidence she would be any better than Corbyn
I agree with that -- she would be a terrible mistake.
One of the richest parts of the country is keen on Marxism.
As I argued in 2017, the people driving Corbynism are the children of the well-off middle classes. University educated but saddled in debt, living in "nice" places like Putney but renting four to a house with no hope of ever getting on the property ladder.
Corbynism was always a middle class youth rebellion about living standards not being equal to their parents.
The family middle class hobby Socialist is one such example. Doesn't live in London, though, and will inherit plenty of money.
Lots of them are playing at being 'the new working class', it's like cosplay for them.
One of the richest parts of the country is keen on Marxism not keen on Brexit.
See above
So why didn't they vote Lib Dem?
Tactical decision. I have a relative in Putney who was going to vote LD but decided (rightly it seems) that Labour had the the best chance of beating the Tory.
Jess Phillips would be shite as leader. All she's done for the past 3 years is post sarcastic tweets without taking any action - I see no evidence she would be any better than Corbyn
I think almost anyone would be better than Corbyn!
Is Barnesian not here tonight? I hope he's not too depressed, I argued against his model but I know he worked hard on it so kudos for that.
Hopefully Correct Horse Battery is OK!
Yeah. He was disappointed but philosophical when he went to bed some time ago.
Good to hear.
There are some very devastated Corbynites on my Facebook feed tonight.
I never predicted the size or scale of the likely Con victory, but I'm genuinely surprised by how many of them were expecting to wake up to JC as PM tomorrow.
How are ITV calling seats so early? They really seem to be getting the results much quicker than everyone else.
Because they don't wait for the returning officer to announce the result. They've been doing it since 1992 when they made a lot of mistakes like announcing that Simon Hughes had lost his seat in Bermondsey when he held it by 10,000.
One of the richest parts of the country is keen on Marxism not keen on Brexit.
See above
So why didn't they vote Lib Dem?
Tactical decision. I have a relative in Putney who was going to vote LD but decided (rightly it seems) that Labour had the the best chance of beating the Tory.
LibDem and Labour votes both went up by about 4-5%
One of the richest parts of the country is keen on Marxism not keen on Brexit.
See above
So why didn't they vote Lib Dem?
Tactical decision. I have a relative in Putney who was going to vote LD but decided (rightly it seems) that Labour had the the best chance of beating the Tory.
Yes, but that comes after some people actively choose to vote Labour.
How are ITV calling seats so early? They really seem to be getting the results much quicker than everyone else.
Because they don't wait for the returning officer to announce the result. They've been doing it since 1992 when they made a lot of mistakes like announcing that Simon Hughes had lost his seat in Bermondsey when he held it by 10,000.
The people in the hall know the outcome before it is announced, and the ITV journalists endeavour to get tipped off
One of the richest parts of the country is keen on Marxism.
As I argued in 2017, the people driving Corbynism are the children of the well-off middle classes. University educated but saddled in debt, living in "nice" places like Putney but renting four to a house with no hope of ever getting on the property ladder.
Corbynism was always a middle class youth rebellion about living standards not being equal to their parents.
To an extent, though I'd say university educated and paid too little to get what previous generations took for granted in an alienating office job is no less working class than a plumber doing well for himself etc. It's easy to overemphasise cultural factors (an avocado costs pennies in the Tesco discount pile...) and forget the real practical facts of daily life. We shouldn't haveva view of class that's frozen since the interwar period...
Is Barnesian not here tonight? I hope he's not too depressed, I argued against his model but I know he worked hard on it so kudos for that.
Hopefully Correct Horse Battery is OK!
Yeah. He was disappointed but philosophical when he went to bed some time ago.
Good to hear.
There are some very devastated Corbynites on my Facebook feed tonight.
I never predicted the size or scale of the likely Con victory, but I'm genuinely surprised by how many of them were expecting to wake up to JC as PM tomorrow.
His big mistake was declaring war on social democrats and the centre-left.
Tonight is all about Labour. Honestly, I am delighted to watch it lose so massively. The scale of the defeat is such that even the self-indulgent membership may realise that feelgood Corbynism is not the way to win. I reckon it’s a 30% shot.
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Burnham's old patch!
Owen looks like he's about to bawl his eyes out.
Huw Edwards is sounding stunned.
That's a majority of around 50.
It will go up again though.
Lab hold but only by 1000
Con 21,266
Lab 19,301
BRX 3,161
LD 2,252
Lots of them are playing at being 'the new working class', it's like cosplay for them.
Rather stupid by the DUP, UUP and Tories there!
There are some very devastated Corbynites on my Facebook feed tonight.
I never predicted the size or scale of the likely Con victory, but I'm genuinely surprised by how many of them were expecting to wake up to JC as PM tomorrow.
LAB: 50.8% (-16.2)
CON: 38.6% (+14.4)
LDEM: 5.7% (+3.1)
BREX: 2.5% (+2.5)
GRN: 1.8% (-0.2)
Swing: -16.2
Turnout: 63.0%
Full results: https://t.co/pHAmhckPls #GE2019
Jesus
BREAKING NEWS!
Belfast North : John Finucane on course to win by a few hundred Votes.
Fermanagh And South Tyrone : Michelle Gildernew polling well.
SNP 47.9% (+8.6)
SCon 25.6% (-3.8)
SLab 20.5% (-7.0)
SLD 5.3% (+2.1)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14001056
sorry @Ave_it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000782
But Boris MUST push them through.
The blue wall in North Wales has another brick.
We cannot continue having a press that is totally batting for one side that will do whatever it takes to get one side elected.
https://twitter.com/RossPolitics/status/1205307648117235714
Absolute class management of the ground game.