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My campaign highlight0
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Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.0
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When I looked into it all of this, it wasn't really that complicated. I wouldn't want the code controlling a nuclear power station, but for what we need it should be fine (again with the caveat that the BBC website doesn't change, I don't get the ban hammer and they do update the constituency pages in real time*).RobD said:
Well my inner (and outer) nerd is very excited.FrancisUrquhart said:
There won't be much exciting to see. Is a bit like a swan, lots of stuff running on my pc under the water, but there should just be a simple link to a fairly straight forward google doc that will update itself automatically.RobD said:
Cant wait to see it!FrancisUrquhart said:
Well live automated scraping the BBC website is working* (and much better scheduled to only look for likely announcements) plus building and publishing the spreadsheet to google docs is as well. So fingers crossed I can hit the button and sit back.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think they concentrate not on representative constituencies in every region, but on representative marginals, and that the key thing they track is how stated vote on exit compares with the corresponding figures for the exit polls they ran in the same constituencies in previous elections. If my memory is correct on that, there could be a problem this time because the constituencies of greatest interest aren't necessarily the ones where they have built up a history to compare with.HYUFD said:The exit poll is conducted at representative constituencies in every region of the country for a reason
For this reason, I won't be surprised if the exit poll is out by a larger margin this time than we're used to - so I'll be watching the live results as they come in* and comparing with the YouGov MRP projections to try to get an early indication.
* Hopefully with the help of @FrancisUrquhart
Although I capture all the seats / party %'s etc, I won't be putting those in the spreadsheet. At the moment, I plan to just concentrate on Tory / Lab fights, show swing and comparison to MRP (and 2017 result).
* Just hope they don't change the holding pages too much on the night.
* if they aren't, it should still be possible to scrap the live thread / Sky. But how fast I can do that on the night is another matter.0 -
It’s just so much better when someone else has done all the work.FrancisUrquhart said:
When I looked into it all of this, it wasn't really that complicated.RobD said:
Well my inner (and outer) nerd is very excited.FrancisUrquhart said:
There won't be much exciting to see. Is a bit like a swan, lots of stuff running on my pc under the water, but there should just be a simple link to a fairly straight forward google doc that will update itself automatically.RobD said:
Cant wait to see it!FrancisUrquhart said:
Well live automated scraping the BBC website is working* (and much better scheduled to only look for likely announcements) plus building and publishing the spreadsheet to google docs is as well. So fingers crossed I can hit the button and sit back.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think they concentrate not on representative constituencies in every region, but on representative marginals, and that the key thing they track is how stated vote on exit compares with the corresponding figures for the exit polls they ran in the same constituencies in previous elections. If my memory is correct on that, there could be a problem this time because the constituencies of greatest interest aren't necessarily the ones where they have built up a history to compare with.HYUFD said:The exit poll is conducted at representative constituencies in every region of the country for a reason
For this reason, I won't be surprised if the exit poll is out by a larger margin this time than we're used to - so I'll be watching the live results as they come in* and comparing with the YouGov MRP projections to try to get an early indication.
* Hopefully with the help of @FrancisUrquhart
Although I capture all the seats / party %'s etc, I won't be putting those in the spreadsheet. At the moment, I plan to just concentrate on Tory / Lab fights, show swing and comparison to MRP (and 2017 result).
* Just hope they don't change the holding pages too much on the night.
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That was my highlight too.Pulpstar said:
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Well that's easy for you to say!Pulpstar said:
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Not just the Russians interfering in UK elections apparently...
Hamas linked propaganda unit interfering in UK election
http://david-collier.com/hamas-propaganda-corbyn/0 -
The double whammy is that not just are the Tories keeping more Remainers but those they lose are going mainly to the Lib Dems.
While Labour are not just losing more Leavers, more of them going direct to the Tories.0 -
Possibly, but they won't have had it good under a Corbyn/Sturgeon government with regards jobs, pensions, immigration and interest rates.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
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https://twitter.com/roger_scully/status/1204034744096301056
anything less than a large Tory vote share would be rather disappointing.0 -
Whoever runs this account, doesn't half do a lot of digging..
https://twitter.com/TimesCorbyn/status/12037663521729986570 -
Latest Farage email below ... spot the lie:
Dear Brexiteer,
On Wednesday, the eve of the General Election, I will be campaigning in Hartlepool in support of our outstanding candidate, Richard Tice. Come and join me and let’s get Richard over the line!
In key seats like Hartlepool it’s now a two-horse race between The Brexit Party and a Remainer Labour MP. The message we will be delivering to voters is clear: only Richard Tice and The Brexit Party can beat Corbyn’s Remainer Labour here.
Join me in Hartlepool on Wednesday, where our team will be leafleting, door-knocking and drumming up support. Don’t miss this chance to make history in Hartlepool!
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I imagine it will be up.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
The poor get shafted the most whenever Labour screw up the economy.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
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Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
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It's an astonishing revelation that a daily newspaper based in the Palestinian territories is critical of Israel and supportive of Jeremy Corbyn.FrancisUrquhart said:Not just the Russians interfering in UK elections apparently...
Hamas linked propaganda unit interfering in UK election
http://david-collier.com/hamas-propaganda-corbyn/
This has changed my whole view of the world. Investigative journalism at its finest.0 -
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The evidence from the US is that the right will try to regain the votes via social issues and immigration rather than improving the lives of the poor.alex_ said:
Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
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Labour looks to get votes from the poorest which encourages them to ensure they stay poor. Hence the poverty trap they created ensures they stay impoverished, while ensuring people rent is good for Labour.alex_ said:
Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
Tories want to help people succeed and believe in mobility. Lifting people out of poverty and helping them own their own home is good for the Tories.-1 -
Only three sleeps to go.2
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If the Wrexham constituency poll is anything to go by, the only reading of these teases is of a blue wave crashing over Offa's Dyke. They're apparently pushing hard in the NE Wales seats.. lots of Tories from safe English seats being drafted in to help.RobD said:
I imagine it will be up.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
I like Corbyn in the Times
"It's amazing that images from my exclusive last night also ended up on Guido's website today. Apparently it's all a coincidence. I thought it was only Corbynistas who want to take things without paying? Obviously not."
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True. And, the Conservatives can probably afford such losses better than Labour, as they tend to be in affluent seats with very large Conservative majorities. If the Tory lead in Esher & Walton is cut from 23,000 to 5,000, it's still a Conservative seat in the Commons.Philip_Thompson said:The double whammy is that not just are the Tories keeping more Remainers but those they lose are going mainly to the Lib Dems.
While Labour are not just losing more Leavers, more of them going direct to the Tories.1 -
How can lots of people own their own time at the same time as the country promotes landlordism as a replacement for pensions. A party cant both be the party of landlords and widespread homeownership. Well they can, but thats because the public are suckers rather than any logical coherence.Philip_Thompson said:
Labour looks to get votes from the poorest which encourages them to ensure they stay poor. Hence the poverty trap they created ensures they stay impoverished, while ensuring people rent is good for Labour.alex_ said:
Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
Tories want to help people succeed and believe in mobility. Lifting people out of poverty and helping them own their own home is good for the Tories.2 -
I get the sentiment. But they will get at least one thing they wanted. Which might be one more thing than they might otherwise have had.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
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Well, friends try to help friends......FrancisUrquhart said:Not just the Russians interfering in UK elections apparently...
Hamas linked propaganda unit interfering in UK election
http://david-collier.com/hamas-propaganda-corbyn/0 -
@Roger_Awan-Scully is the worst poll ramper in the history of polling.5
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Gesundheit.Pulpstar said:
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Perhaps ever....Pulpstar said:@Roger_Awan-Scully is the worst poll ramper in the history of polling.
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Indeed. Labour chose to be the party for landlords when in government which is why home ownership rates collapsed in this country.noneoftheabove said:
How can lots of people own their own time at the same time as the country promotes landlordism as a replacement for pensions. A party cant both be the party of landlords and widespread homeownership. Well they can, but thats because the public are suckers rather than any logical coherence.Philip_Thompson said:
Labour looks to get votes from the poorest which encourages them to ensure they stay poor. Hence the poverty trap they created ensures they stay impoverished, while ensuring people rent is good for Labour.alex_ said:
Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
Tories want to help people succeed and believe in mobility. Lifting people out of poverty and helping them own their own home is good for the Tories.
The Tories for years have been taxing landlords putting additional Stamp Duty on second homes and offering Help to Buy only to those wanting to buy their own home not landlords and now home ownership rates are increasing once more.
I think the Tories increasing home ownership rates is good. I think Labour decreasing home ownership rates was bad. What about you?0 -
You didn't read the article, did you?Chris said:
It's an astonishing revelation that a daily newspaper based in the Palestinian territories is critical of Israel and supportive of Jeremy Corbyn.FrancisUrquhart said:Not just the Russians interfering in UK elections apparently...
Hamas linked propaganda unit interfering in UK election
http://david-collier.com/hamas-propaganda-corbyn/
This has changed my whole view of the world. Investigative journalism at its finest.
Wasn't even a particularly good guess at what it said, either.1 -
I feel we're being teed up for evidence of tactical voting. Just not the traditional type.Harris_Tweed said:
If the Wrexham constituency poll is anything to go by, the only reading of these teases is of a blue wave crashing over Offa's Dyke. They're apparently pushing hard in the NE Wales seats.. lots of Tories from safe English seats being drafted in to help.RobD said:
I imagine it will be up.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Sounds like we will have a big tory majority combined with loads of marginals for them to defend in 2024. The difficulty for the tories at that election will be half the marginals will be in affluent seats and half in post industrial struggling towns. I fail to see how they keep those parts of their coalition together.Sean_F said:
True. And, the Conservatives can probably afford such losses better than Labour, as they tend to be in affluent seats with very large Conservative majorities. If the Tory lead in Esher & Walton is cut from 23,000 to 5,000, it's still a Conservative seat in the Commons.Philip_Thompson said:The double whammy is that not just are the Tories keeping more Remainers but those they lose are going mainly to the Lib Dems.
While Labour are not just losing more Leavers, more of them going direct to the Tories.0 -
It may be that I am just an old cynic, but when I see pieces like this (and those purporting to link Russians to working the web on behalf of the Tories) my first reaction is to ask whether this can be taken at face value or is it a false flag operation?FrancisUrquhart said:Not just the Russians interfering in UK elections apparently...
Hamas linked propaganda unit interfering in UK election
http://david-collier.com/hamas-propaganda-corbyn/0 -
Surprised given this is Liverpool diaspora territory, you'd have thought there would be softer targets. The Conservatives thought they could sweep here last time..Harris_Tweed said:
If the Wrexham constituency poll is anything to go by, the only reading of these teases is of a blue wave crashing over Offa's Dyke. They're apparently pushing hard in the NE Wales seats.. lots of Tories from safe English seats being drafted in to help.RobD said:
I imagine it will be up.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
I think I have spotted the lie. Nige will be in Hartlepool, but in a pub rather than out campaigning.Stocky said:Latest Farage email below ... spot the lie:
Dear Brexiteer,
On Wednesday, the eve of the General Election, I will be campaigning in Hartlepool in support of our outstanding candidate, Richard Tice. Come and join me and let’s get Richard over the line!
In key seats like Hartlepool it’s now a two-horse race between The Brexit Party and a Remainer Labour MP. The message we will be delivering to voters is clear: only Richard Tice and The Brexit Party can beat Corbyn’s Remainer Labour here.
Join me in Hartlepool on Wednesday, where our team will be leafleting, door-knocking and drumming up support. Don’t miss this chance to make history in Hartlepool!2 -
Its noticeable that 11% of Lab Leavers intend voting LD. It can't in the main be a sampling error as Deltapoll also have 9%.
Rationalising it, I think it must be something to do with antipathy to the extreme direction the party is taking under Corbyn, held by people who would never vote Conservative but for whom Brexit is a secondary issue even though they voted Leave. For them a desire for moderate social democratic politics trumps Brexit.
What might the % figures have been amongst both Lab Leavers and Remainers if Swinson had not taken such an extreme position on Brexit? A bit higher in both camps I suspect.0 -
if you can react quickly to a Wales poll you can get 1/7 Labour most seats in Wales with Labrokes, or 7/1 Cons most seats with Paddy's. one of those could be a great bet at 17:05.Pulpstar said:@Roger_Awan-Scully is the worst poll ramper in the history of polling.
the 4/6 under 4.5 Plaid seats has now gone. 1/2 and shorter now.0 -
Sub 50 minute 10k and sub 4 marathon for Jo back in 2011, which is decent.
https://www.runbritainrankings.com/runners/profile.aspx?athleteid=10447480 -
The Blair approach? Win big enough first up to last for three terms?noneoftheabove said:
Sounds like we will have a big tory majority combined with loads of marginals for them to defend in 2024. The difficulty for the tories at that election will be half the marginals will be in affluent seats and half in post industrial struggling towns. I fail to see how they keep those parts of their coalition together.Sean_F said:
True. And, the Conservatives can probably afford such losses better than Labour, as they tend to be in affluent seats with very large Conservative majorities. If the Tory lead in Esher & Walton is cut from 23,000 to 5,000, it's still a Conservative seat in the Commons.Philip_Thompson said:The double whammy is that not just are the Tories keeping more Remainers but those they lose are going mainly to the Lib Dems.
While Labour are not just losing more Leavers, more of them going direct to the Tories.
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In the 1980s the Tories were the party of both landlords and houseowners.noneoftheabove said:
How can lots of people own their own time at the same time as the country promotes landlordism as a replacement for pensions. A party cant both be the party of landlords and widespread homeownership. Well they can, but thats because the public are suckers rather than any logical coherence.Philip_Thompson said:
Labour looks to get votes from the poorest which encourages them to ensure they stay poor. Hence the poverty trap they created ensures they stay impoverished, while ensuring people rent is good for Labour.alex_ said:
Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
Tories want to help people succeed and believe in mobility. Lifting people out of poverty and helping them own their own home is good for the Tories.0 -
No humanity and no empathy .
Bozos interview when asked about the poor boy suffering from pneumonia and forced to lie on coats on the floor of the hospital .
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It's due to be windy on Wednesday. Tice would be well advised to stay indoors.alb1on said:
I think I have spotted the lie. Nige will be in Hartlepool, but in a pub rather than out campaigning.Stocky said:Latest Farage email below ... spot the lie:
Dear Brexiteer,
On Wednesday, the eve of the General Election, I will be campaigning in Hartlepool in support of our outstanding candidate, Richard Tice. Come and join me and let’s get Richard over the line!
In key seats like Hartlepool it’s now a two-horse race between The Brexit Party and a Remainer Labour MP. The message we will be delivering to voters is clear: only Richard Tice and The Brexit Party can beat Corbyn’s Remainer Labour here.
Join me in Hartlepool on Wednesday, where our team will be leafleting, door-knocking and drumming up support. Don’t miss this chance to make history in Hartlepool!
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True,Pulpstar said:@Roger_Awan-Scully is the worst poll ramper in the history of polling.
But do you know when the poll is due?0 -
All governments this century are responsible for the housing situation, so Labour, Tories and LDs. Like the other parties the Tories record is mixed, Osbourne started to realise people without capital dont vote for capitalism shortly before he left and some of the recent initiatives have therefore been positive. Most of the negative impact from QE, nationalised mortgage banking and Help to Buy have happened under the Tory watch though.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Labour chose to be the party for landlords when in government which is why home ownership rates collapsed in this country.noneoftheabove said:
How can lots of people own their own time at the same time as the country promotes landlordism as a replacement for pensions. A party cant both be the party of landlords and widespread homeownership. Well they can, but thats because the public are suckers rather than any logical coherence.Philip_Thompson said:
Labour looks to get votes from the poorest which encourages them to ensure they stay poor. Hence the poverty trap they created ensures they stay impoverished, while ensuring people rent is good for Labour.alex_ said:
Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
Tories want to help people succeed and believe in mobility. Lifting people out of poverty and helping them own their own home is good for the Tories.
The Tories for years have been taxing landlords putting additional Stamp Duty on second homes and offering Help to Buy only to those wanting to buy their own home not landlords and now home ownership rates are increasing once more.
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If they indeed have a big majority, they'll probably be able to afford a decent amount of losses anyway.noneoftheabove said:
Sounds like we will have a big tory majority combined with loads of marginals for them to defend in 2024. The difficulty for the tories at that election will be half the marginals will be in affluent seats and half in post industrial struggling towns. I fail to see how they keep those parts of their coalition together.Sean_F said:
True. And, the Conservatives can probably afford such losses better than Labour, as they tend to be in affluent seats with very large Conservative majorities. If the Tory lead in Esher & Walton is cut from 23,000 to 5,000, it's still a Conservative seat in the Commons.Philip_Thompson said:The double whammy is that not just are the Tories keeping more Remainers but those they lose are going mainly to the Lib Dems.
While Labour are not just losing more Leavers, more of them going direct to the Tories.
This having been said, given current polling, I don't think there'll actually be a lot of remain con / lib marginals that will narrowly go tory (let's say by less than 10%). Probably less than 10. Most of their remain seats in the South East have huge majorities and while they'll probably be reduced a bit, they'll still be safe next time unless the libdems surge massively.0 -
If some ERG types in previously safe Tory seats get a bit of a shock and find themselves in semi marginal seats on Friday morning, is their the possibility that even they might start thinking about softening their Brexit stance a bit? Nothing focuses the mind like the thought of you future earnings being at risk...0
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Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
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He’s appealing to the Corbynista vote.Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.1 -
Who could blame him, the site is a visual abomination. I had a headache by the 2nd para.Endillion said:
You didn't read the article, did you?Chris said:
It's an astonishing revelation that a daily newspaper based in the Palestinian territories is critical of Israel and supportive of Jeremy Corbyn.FrancisUrquhart said:Not just the Russians interfering in UK elections apparently...
Hamas linked propaganda unit interfering in UK election
http://david-collier.com/hamas-propaganda-corbyn/
This has changed my whole view of the world. Investigative journalism at its finest.
Wasn't even a particularly good guess at what it said, either.
Still, I'll be looking out for being propagandised by *checks notes* Al Thoraya and Khamakar Press.0 -
Revoke without a referendum was the most egregious self inflicted error in a long time. No reward whatsoever from that.Wulfrun_Phil said:Its noticeable that 11% of Lab Leavers intend voting LD. It can't in the main be a sampling error as Deltapoll also have 9%.
Rationalising it, I think it must be something to do with antipathy to the extreme direction the party is taking under Corbyn, held by people who would never vote Conservative but for whom Brexit is a secondary issue even though they voted Leave. For them a desire for moderate social democratic politics trumps Brexit.
What might the % figures have been amongst both Lab Leavers and Remainers if Swinson had not taken such an extreme position on Brexit? A bit higher in both camps I suspect.
Unequivocally for remain in a second referendum was sufficient. They didn't need to overreach.0 -
You think the Israeli government is attacking artists for scheduling performances in Israel to make Hamas look bad?alb1on said:
It may be that I am just an old cynic, but when I see pieces like this (and those purporting to link Russians to working the web on behalf of the Tories) my first reaction is to ask whether this can be taken at face value or is it a false flag operation?FrancisUrquhart said:Not just the Russians interfering in UK elections apparently...
Hamas linked propaganda unit interfering in UK election
http://david-collier.com/hamas-propaganda-corbyn/
I mean, fair enough, to be honest I had a similar thought, and I think in general it's the right response in this day and age. However, the range of targets in this article should preclude that from being a likelihood. It's very unlikely the same people are having a go at both British Jews criticising the Labour party, and supporting pro-Palestinian US politicians.0 -
I doubt it. There's very few of them in seats that voted remain, and even then most of those will remain very safe seats no matter what (like Windsor). Redwood is one who could potentially be vulnerable next election, but he's pretty much the hardest of the bunch, so I don't see him budging.alex_ said:If some ERG types in previously safe Tory seats get a bit of a shock and find themselves in semi marginal seats on Friday morning, is their the possibility that even they might start thinking about softening their Brexit stance a bit? Nothing focuses the mind like the thought of you future earnings being at risk...
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Good afternoon, everyone.
No overall majority was 4 this morning, 4.5 now (Ladbrokes).0 -
Many regret their vote every time, that's life.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
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It was 5pm last time (he ramped a poll).MilesPartridge said:
True,Pulpstar said:@Roger_Awan-Scully is the worst poll ramper in the history of polling.
But do you know when the poll is due?0 -
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.0 -
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A constituency poll of Hartlepool would come in very handy for nailing this charlatan.Stocky said:Latest Farage email below ... spot the lie:
Dear Brexiteer,
On Wednesday, the eve of the General Election, I will be campaigning in Hartlepool in support of our outstanding candidate, Richard Tice. Come and join me and let’s get Richard over the line!
In key seats like Hartlepool it’s now a two-horse race between The Brexit Party and a Remainer Labour MP. The message we will be delivering to voters is clear: only Richard Tice and The Brexit Party can beat Corbyn’s Remainer Labour here.
Join me in Hartlepool on Wednesday, where our team will be leafleting, door-knocking and drumming up support. Don’t miss this chance to make history in Hartlepool!
Only 6 of the 29 constituencies for which we have published polls come from N or W of a line drawn from the Severn to the Wash. The London/SE focus of this election is getting very frustrating.0 -
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.0 -
It's an unusual situation given the Tories have won in government for 9 years one way or another and a big win should not really happen. If it does it might be that big majority is not the firewall that Blairs was given the letters was first term.camel said:
The Blair approach? Win big enough first up to last for three terms?noneoftheabove said:
Sounds like we will have a big tory majority combined with loads of marginals for them to defend in 2024. The difficulty for the tories at that election will be half the marginals will be in affluent seats and half in post industrial struggling towns. I fail to see how they keep those parts of their coalition together.Sean_F said:
True. And, the Conservatives can probably afford such losses better than Labour, as they tend to be in affluent seats with very large Conservative majorities. If the Tory lead in Esher & Walton is cut from 23,000 to 5,000, it's still a Conservative seat in the Commons.Philip_Thompson said:The double whammy is that not just are the Tories keeping more Remainers but those they lose are going mainly to the Lib Dems.
While Labour are not just losing more Leavers, more of them going direct to the Tories.
I really hope not.0 -
True, for context in the 1980s there were 5m council homes, now its closer to 1.5m, so the tories were pro landlords and homeowners by squeezing and reducing council housing. Today with a much smaller public sector involvement that squeeze is a lot harder so the decision is more whether to incentivise home owners or landlords. Not both.Andy_JS said:
In the 1980s the Tories were the party of both landlords and houseowners.noneoftheabove said:
How can lots of people own their own time at the same time as the country promotes landlordism as a replacement for pensions. A party cant both be the party of landlords and widespread homeownership. Well they can, but thats because the public are suckers rather than any logical coherence.Philip_Thompson said:
Labour looks to get votes from the poorest which encourages them to ensure they stay poor. Hence the poverty trap they created ensures they stay impoverished, while ensuring people rent is good for Labour.alex_ said:
Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
Tories want to help people succeed and believe in mobility. Lifting people out of poverty and helping them own their own home is good for the Tories.0 -
Per BBC:
"Back to Boris Johnson and his questions. He's asked about the future of the BBC licence fee and surprises those listening saying he believes the whole idea of funding the BBC through a licence fee should be looked at.
"It is effectively a tax," he says."
So he says looked at. Nothing definitive.
If he wins, let's hope this is the leverage to force BBC to pay for all Over 75s.2 -
Clearly the Welsh poll is going to show the Tories ahead otherwise it wouldn’t be historical or are we falling for more hype that doesn’t deliver .0
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QE began under the last government and was needed as they'd ran out of money. Help to Buy was a Tory idea and has helped lead to record construction and improved home ownership rates I agree.noneoftheabove said:
All governments this century are responsible for the housing situation, so Labour, Tories and LDs. Like the other parties the Tories record is mixed, Osbourne started to realise people without capital dont vote for capitalism shortly before he left and some of the recent initiatives have therefore been positive. Most of the negative impact from QE, nationalised mortgage banking and Help to Buy have happened under the Tory watch though.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Labour chose to be the party for landlords when in government which is why home ownership rates collapsed in this country.noneoftheabove said:
How can lots of people own their own time at the same time as the country promotes landlordism as a replacement for pensions. A party cant both be the party of landlords and widespread homeownership. Well they can, but thats because the public are suckers rather than any logical coherence.Philip_Thompson said:
Labour looks to get votes from the poorest which encourages them to ensure they stay poor. Hence the poverty trap they created ensures they stay impoverished, while ensuring people rent is good for Labour.alex_ said:
Obviously this is the case if you believe that Brexit being bad for them is axiomatic, but in purely political terms the election of lots of Tory MPs in traditional Labour areas will create powerful political reasons for the Conservatives to redirect funding towards them. At the end of the day, politicians’ default position is to look after those who vote for them - especially if they contribute towards electing MPs.SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
Tories want to help people succeed and believe in mobility. Lifting people out of poverty and helping them own their own home is good for the Tories.
The Tories for years have been taxing landlords putting additional Stamp Duty on second homes and offering Help to Buy only to those wanting to buy their own home not landlords and now home ownership rates are increasing once more.
I think the Tories increasing home ownership rates is good. I think Labour decreasing home ownership rates was bad. What about you?
Which was my original point. Tories want voters to have capital. They want voters to succeed.
Labour wants voters to rely upon them.0 -
Just a thought...dead cat strategy again....the stuff about the kid not getting a bed is bad.Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.
What we do know, the media love to talk about themselves and the BBC going mental should anybody ever suggest that you know the BBC should ever be reformed in anyway.
His comment is totally undefinitive, just pointing out the media landscape is changing and the licence fee is reviewed on a regular basis (but isn't due to be looked at again for ages). But you know the BBC will now what to dedicate hours to talking about themselves.0 -
I don't see why the over 75s shouldn't pay for their own TV licence. If anything the Over75s need to pay for much more in society.MikeL said:Per BBC:
"Back to Boris Johnson and his questions. He's asked about the future of the BBC licence fee and surprises those listening saying he believes the whole idea of funding the BBC through a licence fee should be looked at.
"It is effectively a tax," he says."
So he says looked at. Nothing definitive.
If he wins, let's hope this is the leverage to force BBC to pay for all Over 75s.2 -
Which doesn’t exactly bode well for his judgment should he get another five years as PM....Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them....
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Remain United have paid for an advert to stop Boris Johnson by "tactical voting" in Rother Valley.
The comments are delivering under the header.1 -
What a charming choice is presented to the electorate in Bradford East.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/09/tory-candidate-linden-kemkaran-shared-tweet-claiming-muslims-play-race-card0 -
Yes he threw in the BBC comment to deflect from the horror interview earlier with ITV. But without the license fee the BBC will not survive in its current form .FrancisUrquhart said:
Just a thought...dead cat strategy again....the stuff about the kid not getting a bed is bad. What we do know, the media love to talk about themselves and the BBC going mental should anybody ever suggest that you know the BBC should ever be reformed in anyway.Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.0 -
I notice Led By Donkeys are still at it. Have they registered properly this time?Pulpstar said:Remain United have paid for an advert to stop Boris Johnson by "tactical voting" in Rother Valley.
The comments are delivering under the header.0 -
I think this is just as important a point as the retention difference.Philip_Thompson said:The double whammy is that not just are the Tories keeping more Remainers but those they lose are going mainly to the Lib Dems.
While Labour are not just losing more Leavers, more of them going direct to the Tories.0 -
The Tories have just presided over a decade where those with assets have raced away from those with wages but no assets. I think the first few years of that were unintended as politicians didnt fully understand what QE was doing and just following central bankers advice. The last few years have been a deliberate continuance, separating the country into haves and have nots. After a decade in power I will judge by their actions and results not their words or spin.Philip_Thompson said:
QE began under the last government and was needed as they'd ran out of money. Help to Buy was a Tory idea and has helped lead to record construction and improved home ownership rates I agree.noneoftheabove said:
All governments this century are responsible for the housing situation, so Labour, Tories and LDs. Like the other parties the Tories record is mixed, Osbourne started to realise people without capital dont vote for capitalism shortly before he left and some of the recent initiatives have therefore been positive. Most of the negative impact from QE, nationalised mortgage banking and Help to Buy have happened under the Tory watch though.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Labour chose to be the party for landlords when in government which is why home ownership rates collapsed in this country.noneoftheabove said:Philip_Thompson said:
Labour looks to get votes from the poorest which encourages them to ensure they stay poor. Hence the poverty trap they created ensures they stay impoverished, while ensuring people rent is good for Labour.alex_ said:SandyRentool said:Folk switching from Labour to Conservative over Brexit will live to regret their decision when they get shafted by the next Government.
Tories want to help people succeed and believe in mobility. Lifting people out of poverty and helping them own their own home is good for the Tories.
The Tories for years have been taxing landlords putting additional Stamp Duty on second homes and offering Help to Buy only to those wanting to buy their own home not landlords and now home ownership rates are increasing once more.
I think the Tories increasing home ownership rates is good. I think Labour decreasing home ownership rates was bad. What about you?
Which was my original point. Tories want voters to have capital. They want voters to succeed.
Labour wants voters to rely upon them.
Obviously I have no time for Labours current economics either. No-one is representing workers interests.1 -
Anybody who has kids, know they all watch YouTube these days. Netflix and other streaming services are throwing mega bucks at productions for the adults. Disney+ now there for kids. The BBC will have to reform, and the licence fee in todays world is totally unenforceable, as you can't tie watching TV to a single physical moving picture box.nico67 said:
Yes he threw in the BBC comment to deflect from the horror interview earlier with ITV. But without the license fee the BBC will not survive in its current form .FrancisUrquhart said:
Just a thought...dead cat strategy again....the stuff about the kid not getting a bed is bad. What we do know, the media love to talk about themselves and the BBC going mental should anybody ever suggest that you know the BBC should ever be reformed in anyway.Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.
How we move forward from that will have to be debated. A tax on everybody regardless of tv or not or ads, or a bit of both, seems like the only way, other than total let them fight with everybody else.1 -
They were at the beginning of the campaign but the next poll showed Labour pulling ahead. Could I guess be historical share, but then I find it's usually wise to expect the opposite of what Roger is hinting.RobD said:
Weren’t they ahead last month?nico67 said:Clearly the Welsh poll is going to show the Tories ahead otherwise it wouldn’t be historical or are we falling for more hype that doesn’t deliver .
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Trying to work out why Boris - normally good at empathy - refused to look at the photo. My theory is pretty simple, he worried it was a trick, to get him to look at something REALLY and personally embarrassing. Maybe a photo of one of his own kids?!nico67 said:
Yes he threw in the BBC comment to deflect from the horror interview earlier with ITV. But without the license fee the BBC will not survive in its current form .FrancisUrquhart said:
Just a thought...dead cat strategy again....the stuff about the kid not getting a bed is bad. What we do know, the media love to talk about themselves and the BBC going mental should anybody ever suggest that you know the BBC should ever be reformed in anyway.Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.
So he acts wary and defensive.
I do not believe he knew the photo and was too ashamed to view it. All he had to do was look at it and say Oh that's terrible, which in the end was what he did.
But he came across as shifty and sly. Not good.0 -
Let's hope it's a means of shifting the BBC to a proper subscription model as forcing the BBC to pay for the Over 75s was a cheap tax trick by Osbourne and should have been called out at the time for what it was.MikeL said:Per BBC:
"Back to Boris Johnson and his questions. He's asked about the future of the BBC licence fee and surprises those listening saying he believes the whole idea of funding the BBC through a licence fee should be looked at.
"It is effectively a tax," he says."
So he says looked at. Nothing definitive.
If he wins, let's hope this is the leverage to force BBC to pay for all Over 75s.
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Comment 1: Labour is finished here 💩💩💩💩🤬FrancisUrquhart said:
I notice Led By Donkeys are still at it. Have they registered properly this time?Pulpstar said:Remain United have paid for an advert to stop Boris Johnson by "tactical voting" in Rother Valley.
The comments are delivering under the header.
Comment 2: The new Bolsheviks
Comment 3: Wanted for supporting the IRA
Comment 4: Labour the party that {Whole host of negative things}
Whole bunch of: Fuck off & Leave means leave
There are a couple of Corbyn fans defending him but it's overwhelmingly negative.0 -
I have been thinking why so many Brexiters are so against the Lib Dem revoke policy. I think their concern is it sets a marker for a future reversal of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
Revoke without a referendum was the most egregious self inflicted error in a long time. No reward whatsoever from that.Wulfrun_Phil said:Its noticeable that 11% of Lab Leavers intend voting LD. It can't in the main be a sampling error as Deltapoll also have 9%.
Rationalising it, I think it must be something to do with antipathy to the extreme direction the party is taking under Corbyn, held by people who would never vote Conservative but for whom Brexit is a secondary issue even though they voted Leave. For them a desire for moderate social democratic politics trumps Brexit.
What might the % figures have been amongst both Lab Leavers and Remainers if Swinson had not taken such an extreme position on Brexit? A bit higher in both camps I suspect.
Unequivocally for remain in a second referendum was sufficient. They didn't need to overreach.
The Conservative Party is setting off on a unknown voyage of ditching much of its traditional voter base for a new set. The bastion of SE England will no longer be their core heartland. Only time will tell if this is a good idea or not.
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What the data shows is that with FPTP the LibDems need a moderate Labour leader in order to maximise their own vote.0
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Yes how dare the young choose to watch TV differently to the older generations and then not expect to subsidise their much richer parents and grandparents TV licenses. What is the world coming to?FrancisUrquhart said:
Anybody who has kids, know they all watch YouTube these days. Netflix and other streaming services are throwing mega bucks at productions for the adults. Disney+ now there for kids. The BBC will have to reform, and the licence fee in todays world is totally unenforceable, as you can't tie watching TV to a single physical moving picture box.nico67 said:
Yes he threw in the BBC comment to deflect from the horror interview earlier with ITV. But without the license fee the BBC will not survive in its current form .FrancisUrquhart said:
Just a thought...dead cat strategy again....the stuff about the kid not getting a bed is bad. What we do know, the media love to talk about themselves and the BBC going mental should anybody ever suggest that you know the BBC should ever be reformed in anyway.Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.
How we move forward from that will have to be debated. A tax on everybody regardless of tv or not or ads, or a bit of both, seems like the only way, other than total let them fight with everybody else.1 -
Brendan O'Neill on the "people of talent/colour" controversy:
"And yet, remarkably, there are still some people-of-colour truthers out there. With astonishing speed they have become a new breed of conspiracy theorist. ‘He did say “people of colour” and the mainstream media should stop covering that up’, they say, insanely, coming off like leftish versions of Obama birth truthers.
Why is this happening? Because the anti-Boris brigade has gone mad. It’s been brewing for a couple of weeks and now it has exploded into public life. The ‘people of colour’ conspiracy theory confirms how unhinged the Corbynista wing of politics in particular has become."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/06/the-hysteria-of-the-boris-bashers/2 -
It’s bizarre . Not sure why he couldn’t just look at it and say that’s terrible . It looks like he couldn’t care and just wanted to start delivering his sound bites .Byronic said:
Trying to work out why Boris - normally good at empathy - refused to look at the photo. My theory is pretty simple, he worried it was a trick, to get him to look at something REALLY and personally embarrassing. Maybe a photo of one of his own kids?!nico67 said:
Yes he threw in the BBC comment to deflect from the horror interview earlier with ITV. But without the license fee the BBC will not survive in its current form .FrancisUrquhart said:
Just a thought...dead cat strategy again....the stuff about the kid not getting a bed is bad. What we do know, the media love to talk about themselves and the BBC going mental should anybody ever suggest that you know the BBC should ever be reformed in anyway.Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.
So he acts wary and defensive.
I do not believe he knew the photo and was too ashamed to view it. All he had to do was look at it and say Oh that's terrible, which in the end was what he did.
But he came across as shifty and sly. Not good.
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I had conniptions yesterday night, when someone posted a mock Survation poll putting the Conservatives and Labour on 39% each.1
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The Cult are particularly keen on a conspiracy theory from "alternative media". Its really sad actually. It is one thing to have different ideas on policy, but so many appear to be left wing versions of David Icke. I pointed out the poet Michael Rosen twitter feed is littered with retweets from these dodgy outlets.Andy_JS said:"And yet, remarkably, there are still some people-of-colour truthers out there. With astonishing speed they have become a new breed of conspiracy theorist. ‘He did say “people of colour” and the mainstream media should stop covering that up’, they say, insanely, coming off like leftish versions of Obama birth truthers.
Why is this happening? Because the anti-Boris brigade has gone mad. It’s been brewing for a couple of weeks and now it has exploded into public life. The ‘people of colour’ conspiracy theory confirms how unhinged the Corbynista wing of politics in particular has become."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/06/the-hysteria-of-the-boris-bashers/0 -
A hypothecated 0.6% increase in income tax base rate would be fairer. The licence fee is both regressive and easily evaded.eek said:
Let's hope it's a means of shifting the BBC to a proper subscription model as forcing the BBC to pay for the Over 75s was a cheap tax trick by Osbourne and should have been called out at the time for what it was.MikeL said:Per BBC:
"Back to Boris Johnson and his questions. He's asked about the future of the BBC licence fee and surprises those listening saying he believes the whole idea of funding the BBC through a licence fee should be looked at.
"It is effectively a tax," he says."
So he says looked at. Nothing definitive.
If he wins, let's hope this is the leverage to force BBC to pay for all Over 75s.0 -
Boris can console himself that it probably won't shift many votes. It will just confirm to Boris-haters how awful he is. He's gonna have to live with thatnico67 said:
It’s bizarre . Not sure why he couldn’t just look at it and say that’s terrible . It looks like he couldn’t care and just wanted to start delivering his sound bites .Byronic said:
Trying to work out why Boris - normally good at empathy - refused to look at the photo. My theory is pretty simple, he worried it was a trick, to get him to look at something REALLY and personally embarrassing. Maybe a photo of one of his own kids?!nico67 said:
Yes he threw in the BBC comment to deflect from the horror interview earlier with ITV. But without the license fee the BBC will not survive in its current form .FrancisUrquhart said:
Just a thought...dead cat strategy again....the stuff about the kid not getting a bed is bad. What we do know, the media love to talk about themselves and the BBC going mental should anybody ever suggest that you know the BBC should ever be reformed in anyway.Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.
So he acts wary and defensive.
I do not believe he knew the photo and was too ashamed to view it. All he had to do was look at it and say Oh that's terrible, which in the end was what he did.
But he came across as shifty and sly. Not good.0 -
Have the Conservatives ever finished ahead of Labour in an election in Wales?Brom said:https://twitter.com/roger_scully/status/1204034744096301056
anything less than a large Tory vote share would be rather disappointing.0 -
Re above - my concern is that BBC charging over 75s is giving BBC an unexpected revenue gain vs original LF settlement - which will mean more BBC expansion, largesse etc.
The original deal should have been stuck to - ie BBC fund all over 75s in return for:
1) Return of CPI rises
2) BBC stops paying £150m for broadband
3) LF required for I-player
BBC have banked 1) + 2) + 3) but have now gone back on funding all over 75s.
Result: BBC revenue from 2020 onwards will be £450m higher than expected at time of deal.1 -
You are joking right? Boris Johnson is one of the least empathetic politicians I have ever seen. Wanting to be loved and loving other people back are two entirely different things.Byronic said:
Trying to work out why Boris - normally good at empathy - refused to look at the photo. My theory is pretty simple, he worried it was a trick, to get him to look at something REALLY and personally embarrassing. Maybe a photo of one of his own kids?!nico67 said:
Yes he threw in the BBC comment to deflect from the horror interview earlier with ITV. But without the license fee the BBC will not survive in its current form .FrancisUrquhart said:
Just a thought...dead cat strategy again....the stuff about the kid not getting a bed is bad. What we do know, the media love to talk about themselves and the BBC going mental should anybody ever suggest that you know the BBC should ever be reformed in anyway.Byronic said:
But that's how it will be portrayed. Boris is making gaffes as we enter the final straight. The guest workers comment. This BBC idea. The kid in the photo - Why not look?Stocky said:
Why privatise? The opposite surely?Byronic said:Boris has just said he might abolish the BBC licence fee.
That's really quite stupid. Yes it makes logical sense, the BBC itself is considering a new structure, as the fee is unsustainable. But why say it NOW? Why say anything controversial NOW, when the election is almost over, and probably won?
This can easily be portrayed - esp by angry BBC journos - as Boris threatening to privatise our beloved Beeb, as well as the NHS, blah blah
Silly man.
He's probably as tired as the rest of them. Just three days to go. Help.
So he acts wary and defensive.
I do not believe he knew the photo and was too ashamed to view it. All he had to do was look at it and say Oh that's terrible, which in the end was what he did.
But he came across as shifty and sly. Not good.1 -
Spiked Online is the last bastion of sanity. O`Neill`s two books are essential reading.Andy_JS said:Brendan O'Neill on the "people of talent/colour" controversy:
"And yet, remarkably, there are still some people-of-colour truthers out there. With astonishing speed they have become a new breed of conspiracy theorist. ‘He did say “people of colour” and the mainstream media should stop covering that up’, they say, insanely, coming off like leftish versions of Obama birth truthers.
Why is this happening? Because the anti-Boris brigade has gone mad. It’s been brewing for a couple of weeks and now it has exploded into public life. The ‘people of colour’ conspiracy theory confirms how unhinged the Corbynista wing of politics in particular has become."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/06/the-hysteria-of-the-boris-bashers/0
