Discussed at length on the previous thread. According to some, people who don’t get a British passport despite living here for decades, working, paying taxes, raising families etc, even fighting for this country are “guests”, if they’re lucky “honoured guests” and should not think of this as a stigma.
It that a legal category now .... ? In some ways that would be an improvement on the current Tory attitude.
Labour`s continual focus on the NHS and their insistence that "The Tories have cronically underfunded it for 9 years!" make me wonder: Is this actually true?
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Discussed at length on the previous thread. According to some, people who don’t get a British passport despite living here for decades, working, paying taxes, raising families etc, even fighting for this country are “guests”, if they’re lucky “honoured guests” and should not think of this as a stigma.
It would be risible were it not exactly the same posters who supposedly get so agitated by anti-Semitism when they see it in Labour ranks. Still, at least we don’t need to take their claims to any kind of integrity seriously in future.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
I think the headline is more of a dog whistle than the speech's contents.
"treat the UK as their own" (the headline) is not the same as "to treat the UK basically as though it’s part of their own country" (the actual quote).
Those non-Conservative partisans who affect to care about accuracy, now have a chance to demonstrate it.
WillS.
PS: Get well soon (I mean from the flu, not intended sarcastically).
I am not taking a position on the event, but I fail to see anything odd in the use of WhatsApp. We even use it at my cricket club to sort out teams. It seems to be the default mechanism when anything is organised.
Nothing. The accusation is that it wasn't just just a ramble who turned up, it was a protest financially supported by the Labour Party which resulted in an adviser getting lamped. At the moment it is all accusations, and I wait to see the proof.
However, it is a shit show now. Assaulting an adviser is an absolute no no.
I agree with your conclusion but see no connection between organising a protest and paying for it. Most protests will require some organisation but it carries no implication of payment. Conflating the issues makes me suspicious about the journo (although, tbf, my view of journos generally is similar to Ben Goldacre's).
Gove in Chesterfield today after a Tory surge in their canvass returns according to their candidate there.I thought all Labour activists had been relocated from Chesterfield as it was considered safe for Labour?.Needs about a ten per cent swing.
Labour`s continual focus on the NHS and their insistence that "The Tories have cronically underfunded it for 9 years!" make me wonder: Is this actually true?
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
@rcs1000 - I would like to see one of your 5-year spending comparisons for the NHS. I bet investment is far higher than it was in 2010.
Labour`s continual focus on the NHS and their insistence that "The Tories have cronically underfunded it for 9 years!" make me wonder: Is this actually true?
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
Yes it has, but the problem is that with demographic change and an increasing range of treatments available (some of which are very expensive), demand rises even faster than spending.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Why have you been so quiet on this forum this election?
You haven’t posted much.
I’ve been exceptionally busy with work and I’ve now come down with the flu.
Poor you.
I hope you haven’t been advising the Labour Party on how to nationalise all our pensions ..... 😏
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Does this mean we will get 52% then?
I’m glad you find demonising people who have lived here for decades hilarious.
Or saying they don't get English irony.
You picks your poison. One of them has to win.
Perhaps. That still doesn’t mean I have to choose either of them. And I reserve the right to spit with contempt in front of anyone who does who then tries to take the moral high ground for their choice.
Labour`s continual focus on the NHS and their insistence that "The Tories have cronically underfunded it for 9 years!" make me wonder: Is this actually true?
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
Its increased by 23%
Rising spending and underfunding are not contradictory of course. It all depends on what you think spending ought to be and what the rate of inflation is for medical services.
I am not taking a position on the event, but I fail to see anything odd in the use of WhatsApp. We even use it at my cricket club to sort out teams. It seems to be the default mechanism when anything is organised.
Nothing. The accusation is that it wasn't just just a ramble who turned up, it was a protest financially supported by the Labour Party which resulted in an adviser getting lamped. At the moment it is all accusations, and I wait to see the proof.
However, it is a shit show now. Assaulting an adviser is an absolute no no.
I agree with your conclusion but see no connection between organising a protest and paying for it. Most protests will require some organisation but it carries no implication of payment. Conflating the issues makes me suspicious about the journo (although, tbf, my view of journos generally is similar to Ben Goldacre's).
There is are WhatApp messages that specifically says that taxis will be paid for.
If I'm remembering correctly, didn't the previous Welsh barometer show an unexpected shift towards Labour? That would suggest simply that that was a slight outlier, and the position has returned towards how it has been for some weeks.
I don't think so. Labour's lead at the time was fairly consistent with the tory lead in the national polls (about 10%). If this result is consistent with national polls I think we can expect a national lead around 12-13%.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Why have you been so quiet on this forum this election?
You haven’t posted much.
I’ve been exceptionally busy with work and I’ve now come down with the flu.
Poor you.
I hope you haven’t been advising the Labour Party on how to nationalise all our pensions ..... 😏
Don't - their outriders have floated that as an idea already!!
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Discussed at length on the previous thread. According to some, people who don’t get a British passport despite living here for decades, working, paying taxes, raising families etc, even fighting for this country are “guests”, if they’re lucky “honoured guests” and should not think of this as a stigma.
It would be risible were it not exactly the same posters who supposedly get so agitated by anti-Semitism when they see it in Labour ranks. Still, at least we don’t need to take their claims to any kind of integrity seriously in future.
Sorry you have flu Alastair. I hope you have plenty of rest and recover quickly
I am sure you would have preferred not to be under the weather just now
Labour`s continual focus on the NHS and their insistence that "The Tories have cronically underfunded it for 9 years!" make me wonder: Is this actually true?
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
Its increased by 23%
So that`s about 2% per year in excess of inflation. So Labour are lying, yes?
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Why have you been so quiet on this forum this election?
You haven’t posted much.
I’ve been exceptionally busy with work and I’ve now come down with the flu.
Poor you.
I hope you haven’t been advising the Labour Party on how to nationalise all our pensions ..... 😏
Don't - their outriders have floated that as an idea already!!
I am not taking a position on the event, but I fail to see anything odd in the use of WhatsApp. We even use it at my cricket club to sort out teams. It seems to be the default mechanism when anything is organised.
Nothing. The accusation is that it wasn't just just a ramble who turned up, it was a protest financially supported by the Labour Party which resulted in an adviser getting lamped. At the moment it is all accusations, and I wait to see the proof.
However, it is a shit show now. Assaulting an adviser is an absolute no no.
I agree with your conclusion but see no connection between organising a protest and paying for it. Most protests will require some organisation but it carries no implication of payment. Conflating the issues makes me suspicious about the journo (although, tbf, my view of journos generally is similar to Ben Goldacre's).
There is are WhatApp messages that specifically says that taxis will be paid for.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Does this mean we will get 52% then?
I’m glad you find demonising people who have lived here for decades hilarious.
Or saying they don't get English irony.
You picks your poison. One of them has to win.
Perhaps. That still doesn’t mean I have to choose either of them. And I reserve the right to spit with contempt in front of anyone who does who then tries to take the moral high ground for their choice.
You have to look for the silver linings in every cloud. If Boris wins I assume that the societal norm will become polygamy. If Jezza wins at least we will have Michael McIntyre replaced by weekly political lectures from Diane Abbott - which will certainly be a lot funnier.
Ah, when a Labour canvasser got their arm broken it was all a bit of rough and tumble but when a Tory gets punched it's scum of the earth time.
None of it ok. I said at the time of the "milkshaking" and Corbyn getting an egg rammed on him head, that some thought was a right of laugh, this is really bad and potentially a slippery slope.
I am no fan of Corbyn, but smashing an egg on his head is absolutely not on.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Does this mean we will get 52% then?
I’m glad you find demonising people who have lived here for decades hilarious.
Or saying they don't get English irony.
You picks your poison. One of them has to win.
Perhaps. That still doesn’t mean I have to choose either of them. And I reserve the right to spit with contempt in front of anyone who does who then tries to take the moral high ground for their choice.
It's all relative and few are taking the moral high ground. My position is that I want anyone but Corbyn to be Prime Minister. It is my very bad luck that that means we have an utter, utter tosser as fulfilling that role. But I have made my decision. Not to make a decision I don't think gets us anywhere. Of course there is tactical voting which is perfectly legitimate but apart from a few, of which of course I believe you are one, I think tactical voting is more spoken about and understood than engaged in.
In one respect "Oh all the instruments agree". The pollsters are unanimous that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats have tanked during the campaign.
Actually no, depending on your definition of "tanked". All the pollsters show the LD vote share declining but those pollsters showing the smaller Tory leads show that decline as being in the 2-3% range.
I wouldn't define 2-3% as "tanked".
WillS.
Interesting phrasing. All the pollsters show it falling, but if you choose to only look at those its fallen the least and then ignore the fall that shows then the Lib Dems have lost less and you wouldn't view that as tanking? Strange cherrypicking.
In September the Lib Dems were consistently polling around 20% ± 2%. They're now consistently around 13% ± 2%. They've lost about 35% of the people who were intending to vote for them - I'd call that tanking.
It's very good news. It means the remain vote is not being split in Con/Lab marginals but going to Labour. It's the reverse in Con/LD marginals but there are far fewer of them, hence the reduction in LD national vote.
Some of the Remain vote is going to Labour, about half the Remain vote. Not all of it. Not much evidence of the reverse in Con/LD marginals. Especially when the LDs were seeking to call seats with over 10k votes to overhaul .
The stunt pulled by that so-called ITV journalist was pretty low IMO, but I expected something like this to happen in the days running up to the election. It's a classic tabloid style sting. Saying that, Boris could have handled it a lot better, but he appeared to panic a little bit. I'm sorry for the young lad who is being used as a political tool to gain points. It smacks of complete desperation IMO.
The kids parents. What are they playing at? Assume they are corbnistas
At lunchtime today we had 18 kids with bronchiolitis stuck in A and E with no children's beds to admit them into. All planned children's theatre admissions are cancelled.
Adult ambulances were taking 4 hours to unload last week as no beds to admit to. This is life on Opel 4.
I don't think that we had anyone on the floor on a drip though.
Lat week I did a three hour round trip in very heavy traffic for specialist day surgery & then waited a couple of hours only to be told by the Consultant that he didn't have my notes, so no procedure. He did mention that this wasn't the first time it happened!
Nothing to do with funding just sheer incompetence at a senior level.
My sisters experience with her Cancer treatment was even worse,again down to gross incompetence by the Consultant.
I'm guessing Gower, Delyn, Alyn & Deeside and Bridgend are the 4 extra Tory seats they would take compared to the MRP 2 weeks ago. The latter 3 are outside the Tories top 50 Lab targets on UNS.
I just found out from facebook that I went to the same school as Alexandra Hall Hall. I've made the suggestion on their facebook page of naming a big room after her (the Hall Hall Hall)
Aberystwyth Uni has some student accommodation named …. yep, you guessed it. Should ask for a donation, would be the Alexandra Hall Hall Alexandra Hall.
Labour`s continual focus on the NHS and their insistence that "The Tories have cronically underfunded it for 9 years!" make me wonder: Is this actually true?
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
Its increased by 23%
Inflation in NHS risen by 37% over same period as measured by the HCSA (the official Health cost measure)
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Why have you been so quiet on this forum this election?
You haven’t posted much.
I’ve been exceptionally busy with work and I’ve now come down with the flu.
Poor you.
I hope you haven’t been advising the Labour Party on how to nationalise all our pensions ..... 😏
Don't - their outriders have floated that as an idea already!!
No comment on Boris Johnson’s dog whistling racism?
You don't still think he said "People of Colour" do you?!
No, he’s moved on to telling people who’ve lived here for decades that this is not their home.
Reads to me as if he is saying that people are able to move from an EU country to here as if it is their own country, not that people who have been here decades shouldn't think of it that way.
"He told Sky News that “over the last couple of decades or more... we’ve seen quite a large numbers of people coming in from the whole of the EU […] able to treat the UK basically as though it’s part of their own country."
Discussed at length on the previous thread. According to some, people who don’t get a British passport despite living here for decades, working, paying taxes, raising families etc, even fighting for this country are “guests”, if they’re lucky “honoured guests” and should not think of this as a stigma.
It that a legal category now .... ? In some ways that would be an improvement on the current Tory attitude.
We’ll probably end up with some ghastly guest-arbeiter category run (if that’s the word) by the Home Office and the return of the “Aliens” channel at Dover.
I am not taking a position on the event, but I fail to see anything odd in the use of WhatsApp. We even use it at my cricket club to sort out teams. It seems to be the default mechanism when anything is organised.
Nothing. The accusation is that it wasn't just just a ramble who turned up, it was a protest financially supported by the Labour Party which resulted in an adviser getting lamped. At the moment it is all accusations, and I wait to see the proof.
However, it is a shit show now. Assaulting an adviser is an absolute no no.
I agree with your conclusion but see no connection between organising a protest and paying for it. Most protests will require some organisation but it carries no implication of payment. Conflating the issues makes me suspicious about the journo (although, tbf, my view of journos generally is similar to Ben Goldacre's).
There is are WhatApp messages that specifically says that taxis will be paid for.
The question is who authorized it. Is Dave actually anybody, or just some random in the Labour Leeds WhatApps group.
And to be honest, that bit is secondary. An adviser has by the sounds of it being assaulted.
Dave Spart.
It is odd how the most extreme characters from Private Eye seem to emerge for real. This certainly sounds like a Dave Spart episode and, of course, we know that the Blagdon Amateur Rapist has been active in both main parties. I look forward to the next pronouncements of Dave Snooty and Mr Millibean.
In one respect "Oh all the instruments agree". The pollsters are unanimous that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats have tanked during the campaign.
Actually no, depending on your definition of "tanked". All the pollsters show the LD vote share declining but those pollsters showing the smaller Tory leads show that decline as being in the 2-3% range.
I wouldn't define 2-3% as "tanked".
WillS.
Interesting phrasing. All the pollsters show it falling, but if you choose to only look at those its fallen the least and then ignore the fall that shows then the Lib Dems have lost less and you wouldn't view that as tanking? Strange cherrypicking.
In September the Lib Dems were consistently polling around 20% ± 2%. They're now consistently around 13% ± 2%. They've lost about 35% of the people who were intending to vote for them - I'd call that tanking.
It's very good news. It means the remain vote is not being split in Con/Lab marginals but going to Labour. It's the reverse in Con/LD marginals but there are far fewer of them, hence the reduction in LD national vote.
Some of the Remain vote is going to Labour, about half the Remain vote. Not all of it. Not much evidence of the reverse in Con/LD marginals. Especially when the LDs were seeking to call seats with over 10k votes to overhaul .
Look at the constituency polls in Esher, Finchley, Guildford, Wimbledon.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Discussed at length on the previous thread. According to some, people who don’t get a British passport despite living here for decades, working, paying taxes, raising families etc, even fighting for this country are “guests”, if they’re lucky “honoured guests” and should not think of this as a stigma.
What's the stigma about being a guest?
Yes if you've not a citizen here you are a guest of the country, that's always been the case and isn't new. That's why non-citizens don't get to vote here. Its also why British ex-pats living abroad who don't claim citizenship where they move to don't get to vote in the country they move to after emigrating too.
Labour`s continual focus on the NHS and their insistence that "The Tories have cronically underfunded it for 9 years!" make me wonder: Is this actually true?
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
Off topic to your point but I am continually surprised that labour keep banging on about the Torys and the NHS, yet they must know that the largest users of the NHS vote en mass for the Torys. You would have thought that somebody in Labour with half a brain would try a new NHS message, like one that resonated with voters they need to win over.
If I'm remembering correctly, didn't the previous Welsh barometer show an unexpected shift towards Labour? That would suggest simply that that was a slight outlier, and the position has returned towards how it has been for some weeks.
I don't think so. Labour's lead at the time was fairly consistent with the tory lead in the national polls (about 10%). If this result is consistent with national polls I think we can expect a national lead around 12-13%.
I was sort-of right. The previous (November) one is here:
It had a Labour lead of 6 points, with Lab 9 points since October and the Tories up 4. That means the Labour lead in the last three has been 1, 6, and now 3 points (albeit superimposed on a squeeze of the BXP in particular).
In one respect "Oh all the instruments agree". The pollsters are unanimous that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats have tanked during the campaign.
Actually no, depending on your definition of "tanked". All the pollsters show the LD vote share declining but those pollsters showing the smaller Tory leads show that decline as being in the 2-3% range.
I wouldn't define 2-3% as "tanked".
WillS.
Interesting phrasing. All the pollsters show it falling, but if you choose to only look at those its fallen the least and then ignore the fall that shows then the Lib Dems have lost less and you wouldn't view that as tanking? Strange cherrypicking.
In September the Lib Dems were consistently polling around 20% ± 2%. They're now consistently around 13% ± 2%. They've lost about 35% of the people who were intending to vote for them - I'd call that tanking.
The LDs may well nearly double their vote share from the last general election. That (if it happens) will near doublethe number of actual, not hypothetical, votes. That’s not bad.
On the other hand Brexit Party have gone from polling approximately 14% in Sept to around 3% now. Now THAT’S tanking.
Comparing subsamples (yes, I know) it suggests Labour is holding steady in Cardiff but dropping elsewhere, North Wales in particular.
Any whisper on Llanelli? That’s one I could just see having an outsize swing if Plaid had the right candidate, but I also seem to remember hearing about some trouble there.
Re the Welsh poll: Wales has flattered to deceive before. There was much talk of the Tories winning the majority of seats in 2010 after Labour had collapsed in the EU elections the previous year.
The last ITV welsh opinion poll before the 2017 election had UKIP on 5%. They actually polled 2%, and it seems that this missing 3% transferred to Labour.
The ITV welsh opinion poll released today has BREXIT on 5%....I wonder if history will repeat itself...
In one respect "Oh all the instruments agree". The pollsters are unanimous that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats have tanked during the campaign.
Actually no, depending on your definition of "tanked". All the pollsters show the LD vote share declining but those pollsters showing the smaller Tory leads show that decline as being in the 2-3% range.
I wouldn't define 2-3% as "tanked".
WillS.
Interesting phrasing. All the pollsters show it falling, but if you choose to only look at those its fallen the least and then ignore the fall that shows then the Lib Dems have lost less and you wouldn't view that as tanking? Strange cherrypicking.
In September the Lib Dems were consistently polling around 20% ± 2%. They're now consistently around 13% ± 2%. They've lost about 35% of the people who were intending to vote for them - I'd call that tanking.
It's very good news. It means the remain vote is not being split in Con/Lab marginals but going to Labour. It's the reverse in Con/LD marginals but there are far fewer of them, hence the reduction in LD national vote.
Some of the Remain vote is going to Labour, about half the Remain vote. Not all of it. Not much evidence of the reverse in Con/LD marginals. Especially when the LDs were seeking to call seats with over 10k votes to overhaul .
Look at the constituency polls in Esher, Finchley, Guildford, Wimbledon.
Re the Welsh poll: Wales has flattered to deceive before. There was much talk of the Tories winning the majority of seats in 2010 after Labour had collapsed in the EU elections the previous year.
I think when Wales goes, it will go suddenly.
And as with Scotland, I think it will never go back. Labour increasingly looks and sounds like a party of elderly Londoners and angry metropolitan teenagers. That isn’t something to appeal outside quite specific areas of England.
But hopefully Labour will elect somebody vaguely sane as their next leader and I will be proved wrong.
Not that far off what Survation, Opinium, and Mori say. So there is a chance that Boris could beat Ted Heath's 1970 result in terms of vote share.
That would be fairly remarkable...
Well it would have happened that one of the big two would have a chance to make a new record since the third parties are historically low since the selfdestruction of the LD.
1970 was the last election until 2017 that the big two got more than 80% of the vote, so a return to the pre-liberal revival era would result in massive vote shares.
45-50% vote share for a major party was normal in the 1950's and 60's.
In one respect "Oh all the instruments agree". The pollsters are unanimous that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats have tanked during the campaign.
Actually no, depending on your definition of "tanked". All the pollsters show the LD vote share declining but those pollsters showing the smaller Tory leads show that decline as being in the 2-3% range.
I wouldn't define 2-3% as "tanked".
WillS.
Interesting phrasing. All the pollsters show it falling, but if you choose to only look at those its fallen the least and then ignore the fall that shows then the Lib Dems have lost less and you wouldn't view that as tanking? Strange cherrypicking.
In September the Lib Dems were consistently polling around 20% ± 2%. They're now consistently around 13% ± 2%. They've lost about 35% of the people who were intending to vote for them - I'd call that tanking.
It's very good news. It means the remain vote is not being split in Con/Lab marginals but going to Labour. It's the reverse in Con/LD marginals but there are far fewer of them, hence the reduction in LD national vote.
Some of the Remain vote is going to Labour, about half the Remain vote. Not all of it. Not much evidence of the reverse in Con/LD marginals. Especially when the LDs were seeking to call seats with over 10k votes to overhaul .
Look at the constituency polls in Esher, Finchley, Guildford, Wimbledon.
Indeed, they don't match your model at all. We see the LDs going up as forecast but not by enough to take the seats.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Why have you been so quiet on this forum this election?
You haven’t posted much.
I’ve been exceptionally busy with work and I’ve now come down with the flu.
There was no punch and Laura K is now just a mouthpiece for no 10 .
She now just repeats anything she’s told before confirming the story is true .
Can you provide evidence of that
It’s on video . There was no punch , the Tories put out a lie which they fed to Laura K and she did her duty as a Tory shill.
The 100 protestors turned out to be three or four. The punch turned out to be a small collission because the adviser was not looking where he was going. Someone on the Tory side has spun that into a braying mob committing a full-scale assault - and the broadcast media bought it lock, stock and barrel!! https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204091610843226112
So the clown's crashed the clown car, and sends in another clown to throw a bucket of glitter on the clown-car-crash, and the second clown's assistant clown gets thumped in his big red clown nose.
"According to the results, Labour lose Wrexham, Vale of Clwyd, Gower, Cardiff North, Delyn, Bridgend, Clwyd South, and Alyn & Deeside to the Conservatives, who would also win back Brecon & Radnorshire, which they lost to the Liberal Democrats in a by-election earlier this year.
Plaid Cymru would lose Ceredigion to the Liberal Democrats."
Need Ynys Mon as well. I’m on for a number of those (small bets sadly) at the start of the campaign.
There was no punch and Laura K is now just a mouthpiece for no 10 .
She now just repeats anything she’s told before confirming the story is true .
Can you provide evidence of that
It’s on video . There was no punch , the Tories put out a lie which they fed to Laura K and she did her duty as a Tory shill.
The 100 protestors turned out to be three or four. The punch turned out to be a small collission because the adviser was not looking where he was going. Someone on the Tory side has spun that into a braying mob committing a full-scale assault - and the broadcast media bought it lock, stock and barrel!! https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204091610843226112
Media not having a good election. We had people of talent, now this.
There was no punch and Laura K is now just a mouthpiece for no 10 .
She now just repeats anything she’s told before confirming the story is true .
Can you provide evidence of that
It’s on video . There was no punch , the Tories put out a lie which they fed to Laura K and she did her duty as a Tory shill.
The 100 protestors turned out to be three or four. The punch turned out to be a small collission because the adviser was not looking where he was going. Someone on the Tory side has spun that into a braying mob committing a full-scale assault - and the broadcast media bought it lock, stock and barrel!! https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204091610843226112
Media not having a good election. We had people of talent, now this.
The world would be a better place if political reporting, memes and comment was banned from social media.
There was no punch and Laura K is now just a mouthpiece for no 10 .
She now just repeats anything she’s told before confirming the story is true .
As opposed to the twats working for ITV who think pushing a phone in the Prime Minister's face is how to do their job.
Never seen any reporters do that to Corbyn, have you?
I've seen interviewers ask Corbyn questions for which he is not prepared, if that is what you mean.
Reverse-ferreting the punch might explain why the Mail report someone linked to below seemed a bit garbled, if it was being rewritten as they tried to make sense of what happened.
'Flat Cap Fred' is basically a small step from Alf Garnett.
We all know it.
(Not that Corbyn's much better. The antisemitism is disgraceful.)
The antisemitism is disgraceful, and clear cut. Much worse is the economic programme. There's not the slightest support for it from economists. You really can't wing it when it comes to economic planning. McDonnell has no credibility whatsoever.
There was no punch and Laura K is now just a mouthpiece for no 10 .
She now just repeats anything she’s told before confirming the story is true .
Can you provide evidence of that
It’s on video . There was no punch , the Tories put out a lie which they fed to Laura K and she did her duty as a Tory shill.
The 100 protestors turned out to be three or four. The punch turned out to be a small collission because the adviser was not looking where he was going. Someone on the Tory side has spun that into a braying mob committing a full-scale assault - and the broadcast media bought it lock, stock and barrel!! https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204091610843226112
Media not having a good election. We had people of talent, now this.
Was the wonderful double meaning of that post deliberate?
There was no punch and Laura K is now just a mouthpiece for no 10 .
She now just repeats anything she’s told before confirming the story is true .
Can you provide evidence of that
It’s on video . There was no punch , the Tories put out a lie which they fed to Laura K and she did her duty as a Tory shill.
The 100 protestors turned out to be three or four. The punch turned out to be a small collission because the adviser was not looking where he was going. Someone on the Tory side has spun that into a braying mob committing a full-scale assault - and the broadcast media bought it lock, stock and barrel!! https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204091610843226112
Media not having a good election. We had people of talent, now this.
That can in no way be described as a punch. What was Laura thinking of describing it as such?
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In some ways that would be an improvement on the current Tory attitude.
But a long way to go. No room for complacency!
However today's headline is LAB election violence
"treat the UK as their own" (the headline) is not the same as "to treat the UK basically as though it’s part of their own country" (the actual quote).
Those non-Conservative partisans who affect to care about accuracy, now have a chance to demonstrate it.
WillS.
PS: Get well soon (I mean from the flu, not intended sarcastically).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18rrY4Yj07ne1QlhFYI0JuEl82dEXn5K4EdChKc8MRMo/edit?usp=sharing
I hope you haven’t been advising the Labour Party on how to nationalise all our pensions ..... 😏
WillS.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1204085025924362242
The question is who authorized it. Is Dave actually anybody, or just some random in the Labour Leeds WhatApps group.
And to be honest, that bit is secondary. An adviser has by the sounds of it being assaulted.
Lab 48.9%
Con 33.6%
Lib 4.5%
PC 10.4%
ukip 2%
I am sure you would have preferred not to be under the weather just now
All the best
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/10/09/footing-the-bill-the-challenges-for-freespending-politicians/
I am no fan of Corbyn, but smashing an egg on his head is absolutely not on.
LAB -9
CON +3
That would imply a national picture of:
CON 46
LAB 32
Not that far off what Survation, Opinium, and Mori say.
So there is a chance that Boris could beat Ted Heath's 1970 result in terms of vote share.
Lat week I did a three hour round trip in very heavy traffic for specialist day surgery & then waited a couple of hours only to be told by the Consultant that he didn't have my notes, so no procedure.
He did mention that this wasn't the first time it happened!
Nothing to do with funding just sheer incompetence at a senior level.
My sisters experience with her Cancer treatment was even worse,again down to gross incompetence by the Consultant.
(So - are you?)
And why Corbyn is campaigning in wales so much in the past few days.
"He told Sky News that “over the last couple of decades or more... we’ve seen quite a large numbers of people coming in from the whole of the EU […] able to treat the UK basically as though it’s part of their own country."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-eu-migrants-immigration-britain-general-election-a9238941.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7773113/Labour-activist-PUNCHES-Matt-Hancocks-adviser-Leeds-hospital.html
Yes if you've not a citizen here you are a guest of the country, that's always been the case and isn't new. That's why non-citizens don't get to vote here. Its also why British ex-pats living abroad who don't claim citizenship where they move to don't get to vote in the country they move to after emigrating too.
A word of caution about BR too - it would be entirely in keeping for them to return a newly elected MP with a much increased majority.
Bottom line is, we should remember UNS is of limited use in Wales because it’s both diverse and extremely parochial.
https://blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/electionsinwales/2019/11/25/the-november-welsh-political-barometer-poll-2/
It had a Labour lead of 6 points, with Lab 9 points since October and the Tories up 4. That means the Labour lead in the last three has been 1, 6, and now 3 points (albeit superimposed on a squeeze of the BXP in particular).
On the other hand Brexit Party have gone from polling approximately 14% in Sept to around 3% now. Now THAT’S tanking.
She now just repeats anything she’s told before confirming the story is true .
I have seen the video and agree there was no punch thrown
However, the labour activists have managed to lose the initiative for labour
Never seen any reporters do that to Corbyn, have you?
They actually polled 2%, and it seems that this missing 3% transferred to Labour.
The ITV welsh opinion poll released today has BREXIT on 5%....I wonder if history will repeat itself...
And as with Scotland, I think it will never go back. Labour increasingly looks and sounds like a party of elderly Londoners and angry metropolitan teenagers. That isn’t something to appeal outside quite specific areas of England.
But hopefully Labour will elect somebody vaguely sane as their next leader and I will be proved wrong.
https://news.sky.com/story/teenage-burnley-fc-fan-investigated-over-racist-gesture-at-tottenham-hotspur-stadium-11882447
'Flat Cap Fred' is basically a small step from Alf Garnett.
We all know it.
(Not that Corbyn's much better. The antisemitism is disgraceful.)
Why don't you report what he said & context instead of what you & the Independent would like him to have said.
1970 was the last election until 2017 that the big two got more than 80% of the vote, so a return to the pre-liberal revival era would result in massive vote shares.
45-50% vote share for a major party was normal in the 1950's and 60's.
Take care of yourself.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204091610843226112
Thank god the coalition of chaos never got in.
Clearly she realized her puppet masters at no 10 needed a deflection so gave them one .
@bbclaurak is a disgrace Oborne spot on about her being the minister for Tory Propaganda
When is Boris apologising to the 4 year old and his parents Stage 6.
Votes for 4 yr olds I reckon!!
Great poll for the Blue.
Oh, sorry, you meant an actual age of four?
Reverse-ferreting the punch might explain why the Mail report someone linked to below seemed a bit garbled, if it was being rewritten as they tried to make sense of what happened.