Gove in Chesterfield today after a Tory surge in their canvass returns according to their candidate there.I thought all Labour activists had been relocated from Chesterfield as it was considered safe for Labour?.Needs about a ten per cent swing.
The stunt pulled by that so-called ITV journalist was pretty low IMO, but I expected something like this to happen in the days running up to the election. It's a classic tabloid style sting. Saying that, Boris could have handled it a lot better, but he appeared to panic a little bit. I'm sorry for the young lad who is being used as a political tool to gain points. It smacks of complete desperation IMO.
The kids parents. What are they playing at? Assume they are corbnistas
Yeah, that's right - the hospital would have found their son a bed if they had been card-carrying Tories.
Guarantee you they set up the picture. What parent is going to put their kid on the floor?
I wonder whether some people will defend this alleged punch as an understandable response to Johnson putting a reporter's phone in his (Johnson's) pocket.
What a weird thing to wonder about. Youve now got me pointlessly wondering why someone is wondering about a hypothetical weird piece of whataboutery that hasnt happened. Must get back to real life.
The stunt pulled by that so-called ITV journalist was pretty low IMO, but I expected something like this to happen in the days running up to the election. It's a classic tabloid style sting. Saying that, Boris could have handled it a lot better, but he appeared to panic a little bit. I'm sorry for the young lad who is being used as a political tool to gain points. It smacks of complete desperation IMO.
The kids parents. What are they playing at? Assume they are corbnistas
At lunchtime today we had 18 kids with bronchiolitis stuck in A and E with no children's beds to admit them into. All planned children's theatre admissions are cancelled.
Adult ambulances were taking 4 hours to unload last week as no beds to admit to. This is life on Opel 4.
I don't think that we had anyone on the floor on a drip though.
If the Tories had any sense, they won't shy away from this. Have some sort of excuse for Boris initial behaviour, but then point to how they have tried to do the right thing and ended up in an adviser being assaulted.
In one respect "Oh all the instruments agree". The pollsters are unanimous that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats have tanked during the campaign.
Actually no, depending on your definition of "tanked". All the pollsters show the LD vote share declining but those pollsters showing the smaller Tory leads show that decline as being in the 2-3% range.
I wouldn't define 2-3% as "tanked".
WillS.
Interesting phrasing. All the pollsters show it falling, but if you choose to only look at those its fallen the least and then ignore the fall that shows then the Lib Dems have lost less and you wouldn't view that as tanking? Strange cherrypicking.
In September the Lib Dems were consistently polling around 20% ± 2%. They're now consistently around 13% ± 2%. They've lost about 35% of the people who were intending to vote for them - I'd call that tanking.
When GE books opened the bookies had LibDem Over/Under bets at 5/6 over or under 40.5 seats.
Don't bother arguing with Richard N - he's never liked Jo's hair or how she dresses. I don't suppose he's even heard a word she's said.
Ah, and the hair. I've tested this theory. Ask any woman about it. You will find I was right. One lady was very surprised that I'd noticed or would care; of course I don't care personally - I'm voting LibDem anyway - but I do care in the sense that I think the fact that Ms Swinson looks so unprofessional is influencing voters, mostly without them even being aware of it.
Even Corbyn, FFS, managed to smarten himself up when his minders nagged him to do so.
That must be the most stupid comment I have heard in a long time. By all means dislike her, but do not suggest her hair and clothes make her unprofessional when she is up against Johnson and Corbyn, both of whom would be put to shame by a scarecrow.
Very good point!
But wrong. Corbyn smartened himself up considerably after being told the opinion of the dowager Mrs Cameron. He now looks quite smart enough. Boris is a bit of special case, as always, but he dresses appropriately.
You have to be joking. Corbyn has been repeatedly doing an Eric Morecambe tribute act with his glasses and a successful dress day for Boris is remembering to zip his fly.
The stunt pulled by that so-called ITV journalist was pretty low IMO, but I expected something like this to happen in the days running up to the election. It's a classic tabloid style sting. Saying that, Boris could have handled it a lot better, but he appeared to panic a little bit. I'm sorry for the young lad who is being used as a political tool to gain points. It smacks of complete desperation IMO.
The kids parents. What are they playing at? Assume they are corbnistas
Yeah, that's right - the hospital would have found their son a bed if they had been card-carrying Tories.
Guarantee you they set up the picture. What parent is going to put their kid on the floor?
I just found out from facebook that I went to the same school as Alexandra Hall Hall. I've made the suggestion on their facebook page of naming a big room after her (the Hall Hall Hall)
If the Tories had any sense, they won't shy away from this. Have some sort of excuse for Boris initial behaviour, but then point to how they have tried to do the right thing and ended up in an adviser being assaulted.
They've got a good case for it being Gotcha journalism though Boris will have to defend his peculiar reaction, but I'd think theyd like to draw a line under it today and move back to Brexit tomorrow. However they certainly won't turn down any Corbynista thuggery to win some votes.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Betfair on the massive slide now....another bad poll incoming?
Thought rather strange. At 1.3, this would have been my expected reaction to the earlier ICM poll but instead it waited a bit.
Be really surprised if Wales poll is bad for Tories.
Well the last Wales Only poll wasn't that good for Con as it?
Has there been much poll ramping/teasing on Twitter about this one?
Not that much from what I've seen. He did the same thing 2 weeks ago and it wasn't the bombshell everyone was expecting so it looks like he's not taken as seriously this time around.
The stunt pulled by that so-called ITV journalist was pretty low IMO, but I expected something like this to happen in the days running up to the election. It's a classic tabloid style sting. Saying that, Boris could have handled it a lot better, but he appeared to panic a little bit. I'm sorry for the young lad who is being used as a political tool to gain points. It smacks of complete desperation IMO.
The kids parents. What are they playing at? Assume they are corbnistas
And another thing. If these people can afford coats, why don't they pay for private medical care instead of sponging on the state?
If the Tories had any sense, they won't shy away from this. Have some sort of excuse for Boris initial behaviour, but then point to how they have tried to do the right thing and ended up in an adviser being assaulted.
They've got a good case for it being Gotcha journalism though Boris will have to defend his peculiar reaction, but I'd think theyd like to draw a line under it today and move back to Brexit tomorrow. However they certainly won't turn down any Corbynista thuggery to win some votes.
The problem for Bozo is that he tried to move back to Brexit during the interview, and respond with the same tedious soundbites, rather than address the issue he was being presented with. Tezzie would have been proud of him.
The stunt pulled by that so-called ITV journalist was pretty low IMO, but I expected something like this to happen in the days running up to the election. It's a classic tabloid style sting. Saying that, Boris could have handled it a lot better, but he appeared to panic a little bit. I'm sorry for the young lad who is being used as a political tool to gain points. It smacks of complete desperation IMO.
The kids parents. What are they playing at? Assume they are corbnistas
At lunchtime today we had 18 kids with bronchitis stuck in A and E with no children's beds to admit them into. All planned children's theatre admissions are cancelled.
Adult ambulances were taking 4 hours to unload last week as no beds to admit to. This is life on Opel 4.
I don't think that we had anyone on the floor on a drip though.
On the face of it, that obviously sounds very bad indeed But can you give us some context: How many children's beds do you have in the hospital? How unusual is it to have 18 children with bronchitis needing admission at the same time? or 18 children with any kind of condition needing admission at the same time? How often are children admitted to other hospitals or adult wards because your hospital is full?
The stunt pulled by that so-called ITV journalist was pretty low IMO, but I expected something like this to happen in the days running up to the election. It's a classic tabloid style sting. Saying that, Boris could have handled it a lot better, but he appeared to panic a little bit. I'm sorry for the young lad who is being used as a political tool to gain points. It smacks of complete desperation IMO.
The kids parents. What are they playing at? Assume they are corbnistas
Yeah, that's right - the hospital would have found their son a bed if they had been card-carrying Tories.
Guarantee you they set up the picture. What parent is going to put their kid on the floor?
You seriously think that? Sad.
However you cut it, his predicament is being used as a political tool. Corbyn hysterically waving around the Daily Mirror - three days before a general election with Labour trailing well behind. It's pretty low stuff IMO, and I'd say that if it was a Labour PM confronted with that photo.
I just found out from facebook that I went to the same school as Alexandra Hall Hall. I've made the suggestion on their facebook page of naming a big room after her (the Hall Hall Hall)
Aberystwyth Uni has some student accommodation named …. yep, you guessed it. Should ask for a donation, would be the Alexandra Hall Hall Alexandra Hall.
In one respect "Oh all the instruments agree". The pollsters are unanimous that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats have tanked during the campaign.
It wouldn't have made a scintilla of difference if Ed Davey had been leader or if the policy had been a second referendum rather than revoke.
Jo Swinson has certainly had a baptism of fire and hopefully she will learn a lot from the experience - primarily to ignore or face down the misogynistic comments.
She's done well. Her approval rating is well ahead of the LD share unlike the other leaders.
The reason for the reduction in LD share is a Labour squeeze in Lab/Con marginals, - a squeeze that I very much approve of. The reduction in share is nothing to do with Jo.
"According to the results, Labour lose Wrexham, Vale of Clwyd, Gower, Cardiff North, Delyn, Bridgend, Clwyd South, and Alyn & Deeside to the Conservatives, who would also win back Brecon & Radnorshire, which they lost to the Liberal Democrats in a by-election earlier this year.
Plaid Cymru would lose Ceredigion to the Liberal Democrats."
The stunt pulled by that so-called ITV journalist was pretty low IMO, but I expected something like this to happen in the days running up to the election. It's a classic tabloid style sting. Saying that, Boris could have handled it a lot better, but he appeared to panic a little bit. I'm sorry for the young lad who is being used as a political tool to gain points. It smacks of complete desperation IMO.
The kids parents. What are they playing at? Assume they are corbnistas
And another thing. If these people can afford coats, why don't they pay for private medical care instead of sponging on the state?
Definitely a faked up image. I know,, days mum, I'll put sick little Jimmy on the floor rather than my lap.
I just found out from facebook that I went to the same school as Alexandra Hall Hall. I've made the suggestion on their facebook page of naming a big room after her (the Hall Hall Hall)
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
"According to the results, Labour lose Wrexham, Vale of Clwyd, Gower, Cardiff North, Delyn, Bridgend, Clwyd South, and Alyn & Deeside to the Conservatives, who would also win back Brecon & Radnorshire, which they lost to the Liberal Democrats in a by-election earlier this year.
Plaid Cymru would lose Ceredigion to the Liberal Democrats."
"According to the results, Labour lose Wrexham, Vale of Clwyd, Gower, Cardiff North, Delyn, Bridgend, Clwyd South, and Alyn & Deeside to the Conservatives, who would also win back Brecon & Radnorshire, which they lost to the Liberal Democrats in a by-election earlier this year.
Plaid Cymru would lose Ceredigion to the Liberal Democrats."
But, not Ynys Mon?
Given the way this poll was ramped I half-expected Con Gain Merthyr Tydfil.
I am not taking a position on the event, but I fail to see anything odd in the use of WhatsApp. We even use it at my cricket club to sort out teams. It seems to be the default mechanism when anything is organised.
Buffoon drops a bollock re NHS and heartless Tories, Twitter goes in to orgasmic spasm with much anger about the evil tories being revealed for what they are, enraged Labour mob arrives to confront evil Tory visitors (rushed in to limit buffoon's damage) leading to alleged violence against a Tory at said hospital... who could have imagined that might happen with tempers so high?
Both teams doing their best to lose votes then... .
Pretty good trend for the Tories. Given that just after the previous Welsh poll both Yougov's standard poll and the MRP showed an 11% tory lead, if this polling in Wales reflects the national trend they may actually have even more seats in tomorrow's MRP update.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Why have you been so quiet on this forum this election?
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Does this mean we will get 52% then?
I’m glad you find demonising people who have lived here for decades hilarious.
Gove in Chesterfield today after a Tory surge in their canvass returns according to their candidate there.I thought all Labour activists had been relocated from Chesterfield as it was considered safe for Labour?.Needs about a ten per cent swing.
I am not taking a position on the event, but I fail to see anything odd in the use of WhatsApp. We even use it at my cricket club to sort out teams. It seems to be the default mechanism when anything is organised.
Nothing. The accusation is that it wasn't just just a ramble who turned up, it was a protest financially supported by the Labour Party which resulted in an adviser getting lamped. At the moment it is all accusations, and I wait to see the proof.
However, it is a shit show now. Assaulting an adviser is an absolute no no.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Why have you been so quiet on this forum this election?
You haven’t posted much.
I’ve been exceptionally busy with work and I’ve now come down with the flu.
Pretty good trend for the Tories. Given that just after the previous Welsh poll both Yougov's standard poll and the MRP showed an 11% tory lead, if this polling in Wales reflects the national trend they may actually have even more seats in tomorrow's MRP update.
Finally had my second LD leaflet. No change of focus from Jo Swinson, 'The PM we deserve' but definitely trying to lure Cons as a list of ex conservative mps with quotes about the party on it.
Finally had my second LD leaflet. No change of focus from Jo Swinson, 'The PM we deserve' but definitely trying to lure Cons as a list of ex conservative mps with quotes about the party on it.
I am still getting leaflets jamming up my letterbox...no BS.
If I'm remembering correctly, didn't the previous Welsh barometer show an unexpected shift towards Labour? That would suggest simply that that was a slight outlier, and the position has returned towards how it has been for some weeks.
In one respect "Oh all the instruments agree". The pollsters are unanimous that Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats have tanked during the campaign.
Actually no, depending on your definition of "tanked". All the pollsters show the LD vote share declining but those pollsters showing the smaller Tory leads show that decline as being in the 2-3% range.
I wouldn't define 2-3% as "tanked".
WillS.
Interesting phrasing. All the pollsters show it falling, but if you choose to only look at those its fallen the least and then ignore the fall that shows then the Lib Dems have lost less and you wouldn't view that as tanking? Strange cherrypicking.
In September the Lib Dems were consistently polling around 20% ± 2%. They're now consistently around 13% ± 2%. They've lost about 35% of the people who were intending to vote for them - I'd call that tanking.
It's very good news. It means the remain vote is not being split in Con/Lab marginals but going to Labour. It's the reverse in Con/LD marginals but there are far fewer of them, hence the reduction in LD national vote.
At around 135 days Jane Dodds (Brecon & Radnorshire) will have served the shortest term as an MP for 30 years. (the late Michael Carr served just 45 days as MP in Bootle, 1990).
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Discussed at length on the previous thread. According to some, people who don’t get a British passport despite living here for decades, working, paying taxes, raising families etc, even fighting for this country are “guests”, if they’re lucky “honoured guests” and should not think of this as a stigma.
Here is what I think the reference to WhatsApp messages are....interesting 2 cameras setup. You would think any fisty-cuffs would have been captured then.
Labour`s continual focus on the NHS and their insistence that "The Tories have cronically underfunded it for 9 years!" make me wonder: Is this actually true?
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
Does this mean we will get 52% then?
I’m glad you find demonising people who have lived here for decades hilarious.
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"Which of the following would be best for the NHS?"
Con government led by Boris Johnson w/ Matt Hancock as Health Secretary = 44%
Lab government led by Jeremy Corbyn w/ John Ashworth as Health Security = 37%
Deltapoll Dec 5-7
#ge2019 #Brexit #NHS
Adult ambulances were taking 4 hours to unload last week as no beds to admit to. This is life on Opel 4.
I don't think that we had anyone on the floor on a drip though.
Has there been much poll ramping/teasing on Twitter about this one?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-eu-migrants-immigration-britain-general-election-a9238941.html
It will no doubt be effective. Those Conservative partisans who affect to care about racism when they perceive it elsewhere, take note. If you have any principles, this is your chance to demonstrate them.
In rugby, this would lead to conceding 3-6 penalty points but still winning the game 35-18, with all the trys on your side.
Major news of the day...
But can you give us some context:
How many children's beds do you have in the hospital?
How unusual is it to have 18 children with bronchitis needing admission at the same time? or 18 children with any kind of condition needing admission at the same time?
How often are children admitted to other hospitals or adult wards because your hospital is full?
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1204081849183678465
The reason for the reduction in LD share is a Labour squeeze in Lab/Con marginals, - a squeeze that I very much approve of. The reduction in share is nothing to do with Jo.
Con 37%
PC 10%
LD 6%
BRX 5%
Grn 1%
Oth 1%
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2019-12-09/new-poll-shows-conservatives-set-to-gain-welsh-seats-as-labour-s-lead-is-cut/
"According to the results, Labour lose Wrexham, Vale of Clwyd, Gower, Cardiff North, Delyn, Bridgend, Clwyd South, and Alyn & Deeside to the Conservatives, who would also win back Brecon & Radnorshire, which they lost to the Liberal Democrats in a by-election earlier this year.
Plaid Cymru would lose Ceredigion to the Liberal Democrats."
LAB: 40% (+2)
CON: 37% (+5)
PLC: 10% (-1)
LDM: 6% (-3)
BXP: 5% (-3)
GRN: 1% (=)
Via @YouGov, 6-9 Dec.
Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.
Given the way this poll was ramped I half-expected Con Gain Merthyr Tydfil.
Kinder, gentler politics.
Buffoon drops a bollock re NHS and heartless Tories, Twitter goes in to orgasmic spasm with much anger about the evil tories being revealed for what they are, enraged Labour mob arrives to confront evil Tory visitors (rushed in to limit buffoon's damage) leading to alleged violence against a Tory at said hospital... who could have imagined that might happen with tempers so high?
Both teams doing their best to lose votes then... .
Lab -8.9%
Con +3.4%
PC -0.4%
LD +1.5%
You haven’t posted much.
Fingers crossed labour is going to reap the reward for years of neglect in Wales
However, it is a shit show now. Assaulting an adviser is an absolute no no.
LAB: 20 (-8)
CON: 16 (+8)
PLC: 3 (-1)
LDM: 1 (+1)
Changes w/ GE2017. https://t.co/In0evS0Dua
Alliance got 2 seats for their 23%
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10514844/boris-johnson-apologises-to-family-of-boy-4-forced-to-sleep-on-hospital-floor/
NASTY LABOUR Labour activist ‘punched Matt Hancock’s adviser in protest at Leeds Hospital over boy, 4, forced to sleep on floor’
https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/hancock-advisor-punched-labour-activist-leeds-hospital-visit/
Does anyone know whether NHS spending has risen since 2010? (Inflation adjusted.) I suspect that the claim isn`t true.
You picks your poison. One of them has to win.
If I had left this bet on it would have been guaranteed to fail like my Con Maj in 2017 and Lab Most seats in 2015