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  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    That was horrific. The woman who reacts to him saying 'are you concerned that 50% of Jews are thinking of leaving the country' she says 'well where would they go, Palestine? Jews are just scared of Corbyn because they have off shore accounts and don't want to pay tax'

    What the actual f**k ?
    The 'Palestine' comment is revealing - presumably the country she means is the one most people referto as 'Israel', rather than meaning the West Bank or Gaza Strip - but she can't bring herself to say the word 'Israel'. Reminiscent of the linguistic gymnastics used by Sinn Fein referring to 'The North of Ireland' rather than admit the existence of Northern Ireland.
  • Tyke said:

    As a northerner myself I am DEAD at this anecdote. It’s an absolute hoot. Keep them coming.

    We are, of course, all the same - with our flat caps and our whippets, guilted against voting Tory from beyond the grace by our dear socialist fathers.
    I was only repeating an anecdote. No worries you think something else.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133

    Here's an entertaining tidbit to look for on election night. With the BXP in utter freefall apparently might we see in one of the constituencies where both stand Pat Mountains UKIP outpoll Nigel Farages BXP?

    Betting: you can still get 1.22 on BFE no seats for BXP or 1.03 fewer than ten seats.
  • MikeL said:

    ...
    Continuation of trend whereby boundary unfairness to Con is actually reducing - fastest growing area of country is London Labour seats.

    Yes, with the combination of shifts in population and shifts in the support bases of the two main parties, it might be the case that the unfair boundaries effect largely disappears in this election, or even goes into reverse. It will be interesting to see the analysis once we have the results.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    No sorry I meant none of them could vote Tory. For the particular person that was why
    I liker it better before you explained.
  • twitter.com/TheStaggers/status/1202603857571991552?s=20

    The News Statesman should just f##k off and join the Tories....
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,844
    kinabalu said:

    They ALL walked past their Dad's grave on the way to vote?
    Could be a good last minute tactic for Labour on the day, block some roads and put up signs saying Detour going past the local cemetery to the polling booth
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    MikeL said:

    At last - someone taking the trouble to get the data that matters.

    Electorate DOWN in:
    Batley & Spen
    Colne Valley
    Dewsbury
    Huddersfield
    Enfield Southgate

    UP in:
    Lambeth seats (up a lot 8 or 9%)

    Continuation of trend whereby boundary unfairness to Con is actually reducing - fastest growing area of country is London Labour seats.

    I made this point, speculatively, yesterday. The big cities are growing. It isn't the 80s any more, demographically.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited December 2019

    twitter.com/election_data/status/1202598865473589248?s=21

    Is this from another sub-sample of 27?
  • Do those registered voters refer to Labour or an electorate as a whole? They surely don’t know how people will vote. I don’t see how turnout going down as a whole really benefits one side or the other, can somebody explain?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TOPPING said:

    The ascent of Boris irritated the fuck out of me but whenever I ponder my malaise I glance briefly at Jezza and think "anyone but him". And voila, doubts evaporate.
    There must be, hopefully, millions who've been on a similar journey.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,724

    There must be, hopefully, millions who've been on a similar journey.
    And some of them must be gagging for a sensible, centre left alternative promoted by the Labour Party.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    edited December 2019
    Haven’t we been banging on about this? It’s a middle class bung, nothing more.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683

    Do those registered voters refer to Labour or an electorate as a whole? They surely don’t know how people will vote. I don’t see how turnout going down as a whole really benefits one side or the other, can somebody explain?

    They refer to the electorate as a whole. They suggest that the contention that 'there is a big increase in young voters registering at the last minute compared to 2017' is not true.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    The Tories have got a week left to spend all that. Douglas Carswell’s article was right, there’s going to be an onslaught for the next seven days.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,772

    Yes, with the combination of shifts in population and shifts in the support bases of the two main parties, it might be the case that the unfair boundaries effect largely disappears in this election, or even goes into reverse. It will be interesting to see the analysis once we have the results.
    Yes - it's another myth embedded in some people's brains (bit like everyone thinking YouGov were issuing an MRP yesterday).

    Maximum boundary unfairness was 2005 GE - then new boundaries at 2010 GE helped (albeit based on 2000 Electoral register) and now in the last 15 years there has been huge population growth in Labour seats in Inner London and also the likes of Manchester etc.

    Boundaries are still a bit unfair to Con but it's now really only very marginal.
  • George Zimmerman, who shot dead unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012, is suing his family, their attorney, the US state and others for around $100m (£77m).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50671843
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    TudorRose said:

    They refer to the electorate as a whole. They suggest that the contention that 'there is a big increase in young voters registering at the last minute compared to 2017' is not true.
    You mean all that hype about registration figures was for naught? :open_mouth:

    Titters.
  • melcfmelcf Posts: 166
    Sandpit said:

    The Tories have got a week left to spend all that. Douglas Carswell’s article was right, there’s going to be an onslaught for the next seven days.
    All this money comes free?? No strings attached eh?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    New thread.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    melcf said:

    All this money comes free?? No strings attached eh?
    That’s what donation means.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    Does anyone use Smarkets? I`ve been picking up some nice odds there on constituencies, albeit small stakes only. Just got over 6/4 on Tories in West Bromwich East.
  • melcfmelcf Posts: 166

    Is that a general criticism or specific? Not that I care from a nincompoop.
    You're not sad, just pathetic
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,818

    No sorry I meant none of them could vote Tory. For the particular person that was why

    :smile:
    I know.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,639
    Andy_JS said:

    Do you have any evidence to back that up?
    Google channel 4 anti semitism fact check polling, should be the first thing that comes up.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Byronic said:

    Fair enough. If you're not Labour I withdraw the allegation and apologise. But you are still a blinkered fool if you refuse to see what it there in plain sight.
    I also withdraw the idiot, but you are similarly a blinkered fool if you do not factor in the Guido source with any material. The man makes Trump look like a fount of decency.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Stocky said:

    See "Let`s Talk Landslides", written as a header for us 23rd November.

    It concluded:

    "The markets for the number of Con seats or size of majority look quite under-developed but as they come on streeam, I expect the value to be to go high on Con. I think Johnson could well end up sitting pretty with the biggest Tory majority since at least 1983."
    Thanks. Betting on that is like catastrophe insurance.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    Goodness, you are clutching at straws. These were real people. Yes, no one likes being tricked, but some of the comments were pretty shocking. Anti-semitism is a cancer, and that cancer is clearly flourishing in the heart of the Labour left.
    Have you ever come across Dipso Staines? He is the worst type of sub-Trump, Putin -run scum. It may be genuine, but without independent verification I would never ascribe any credibility to anything from his grubby hands.
  • Henrietta said:

    Around 30% of 18 year olds apply for university, and around 50% of youngsters enter higher education before they are 30. Labour running at 70%-75% among undergraduates both in 2017 and now wouldn't be surprising. There's a huge age divide in Labour/Tory. Labour need to convey that social provision for the young (university tuition) and over-50s (main users of the NHS) comes as a bundle. Whether they can is another matter.
    Read the piece on the sub-sample further up the thread.

    I’m afraid I find much of the rest of your post a non-sequitur: they’re Labour because they’re young isn’t sufficient to explain it, and the percentages you cite aren’t correct either.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    This is the tag line for anti-Semitism
    I see you are taking a lesson from Guido - accusing anyone questioning his methods of antisemitism. You really are a digusting piece of low life. I do not defend Labour (I am not a supporter and have called them vile) and do not doubt their antisemitism, but you need to learn the difference between evidence from a reliable source and Guido. But I guess you do not care because you are mno better than Guido.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,679
    Cyclefree said:

    FPT: from @Nigelb in response to my question:-

    “And what on earth is wrong with asking people who suffer from gender dysphoria - for whom I have the utmost sympathy - to undergo a medical diagnosis before changing their gender? What, exactly, is the problem with this?”

    Inadequate funding, and widespread ignorance.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/26/trans-patients-in-england-face-soul-destroying-wait-for-treatment


    If so, the answer is to increase funding to the level of need and improve education not allow a legal change which risks being seriously detrimental to women and their hard-won rights.

    I think it will be seriously detrimental to all concerned.

    The spectre of a prominent individual in the movement having taken their children abroad for illegal (in the UK) surgery at ages below 16, and then subsequently using the police as a tool to silence critical commentary, is not reassuring.
  • The significant black African / black Caribbean delta there for the Tories is interesting.

    Probably a function of age (first generation Windrush now elderly and better distributed around the UK) whereas recent migrants from Africa likely to be younger and have less emotional affinity with Britain, but hard to be certain.
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,031
    Andy_JS said:

    It's fortunate that the voters are going to have a chance to judge the fitness for office of the likes of Patel, Francois and Baker in just 7 days from now.
    Except that in our shithouse system, anyone in their constituencies who supports the Tory platform (poor deluded souls) yet does not find them fit for office has to vote for them anyway.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    However, as I said earlier, the legal changes for self-identification have nothing to do with the medical treatment process.
    And my point is that they ought to be in sync. Only when you are medically diagnosed as having gender dysphoria should you be able legally to change your gender.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited December 2019

    That is brilliant - thanks for pointing it out. There's a lot of good stuff in there.
    Yes, many thanks for the MRP link - lots of great information.

    Like for example here are the 12 seats where the Tories are currently shown as having at least a 75% chance of winning and where their best bookie's odds are 1.50 or better:
    Ashfield ............... 95% ...............1.80
    Wakefield ............. 95% .............. 1.53
    Eastbourne ........... 94% ...............2.00
    Rother Valley ........ 89% ...............1.67
    Don Valley ............ 87% .............. 1.85
    Wolves Sth West .... 84% .............. 1.73
    Blackpool South .... 84% .............. 1.50
    Norfolk North ....... 82% ...............1.73
    Kensington ........... 82% .............. 1.80
    Stockton South ..... 81% .............. 1.57
    Colne Valley ......... 79% .............. 1.60
    Stoke-O-T(Nth)..... 78% .............. 1.53

    As ever, DYOR





  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited December 2019
    .

    George Zimmerman, who shot dead unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012, is suing his family, their attorney, the US state and others for around $100m (£77m).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50671843

    In May 2016, George Zimmerman sold the gun that killed Trayvon Martin for $250,000 (£172,000) by auction.

    Fuck.
    Me.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Yes, many thanks for the MRP link - lots of great information.

    Like for example here are the 12 seats where the Tories are currently shown as having at least a 75% chance of winning and where their best bookie's odds are 1.50 or better:
    Ashfield ............... 95% ...............1.80
    Wakefield ............. 95% .............. 1.53
    Eastbourne ........... 94% ...............2.00
    Rother Valley ........ 89% ...............1.67
    Don Valley ............ 87% .............. 1.85
    Wolves Sth West .... 84% .............. 1.73
    Blackpool South .... 84% .............. 1.50
    Norfolk North ....... 82% ...............1.73
    Kensington ........... 82% .............. 1.80
    Stockton South ..... 81% .............. 1.57
    Colne Valley ......... 79% .............. 1.60
    Stoke-O-T(Nth)..... 78% .............. 1.53

    As ever, DYOR





    Ashfield I have left alone because of the independent.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    Yes, many thanks for the MRP link - lots of great information.

    Like for example here are the 12 seats where the Tories are currently shown as having at least a 75% chance of winning and where their best bookie's odds are 1.50 or better:
    Ashfield ............... 95% ...............1.80
    Wakefield ............. 95% .............. 1.53
    Eastbourne ........... 94% ...............2.00
    Rother Valley ........ 89% ...............1.67
    Don Valley ............ 87% .............. 1.85
    Wolves Sth West .... 84% .............. 1.73
    Blackpool South .... 84% .............. 1.50
    Norfolk North ....... 82% ...............1.73
    Kensington ........... 82% .............. 1.80
    Stockton South ..... 81% .............. 1.57
    Colne Valley ......... 79% .............. 1.60
    Stoke-O-T(Nth)..... 78% .............. 1.53

    As ever, DYOR





    Blimey. Back of a fag packet, I'd make Blackpool South, Colne Valley, Stockton South and Eastbourne roughly 50-50, and the rest less than a one in three chance for CON. Now this is an intuitive reaction and I don't want to place my evidence-free gur feel above something professionally produced and evidence based. But unless something is seriously amiss tnis election is going to throw uo some very odd results. Rother Valley?! Don Valley?!
    I know what the polls aresaying, I'm just finding them veey hard to believe!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited December 2019

    Yes, many thanks for the MRP link - lots of great information.

    Like for example here are the 12 seats where the Tories are currently shown as having at least a 75% chance of winning and where their best bookie's odds are 1.50 or better:
    Ashfield ............... 95% ...............1.80
    Wakefield ............. 95% .............. 1.53
    Eastbourne ........... 94% ...............2.00
    Rother Valley ........ 89% ...............1.67
    Don Valley ............ 87% .............. 1.85
    Wolves Sth West .... 84% .............. 1.73
    Blackpool South .... 84% .............. 1.50
    Norfolk North ....... 82% ...............1.73
    Kensington ........... 82% .............. 1.80
    Stockton South ..... 81% .............. 1.57
    Colne Valley ......... 79% .............. 1.60
    Stoke-O-T(Nth)..... 78% .............. 1.53

    As ever, DYOR





    The other thing to do is to see how accurate the YouGov 2017 model was for the constituency.

    Fortunately someone has already done that.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18rrY4Yj07ne1QlhFYI0JuEl82dEXn5K4EdChKc8MRMo/edit?usp=drivesdk

    For instance in Don Valley YouGov 2017 underestimated the Lab vote by 4.5% points.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,317
    IanB2 said:

    Indeed. I have put more money info FX than bets on the election, and am up well into three figures already. The good thing about betting on FX is that you can take some profits before the exit poll.

    I can’t remember which PB’er it was who bought into a load of foreign currency anticipating a fall in the £, but fear he is going to be well out of pocket by now.
    It was I and yes I would be. However (as I said in an earlier post) once a deal was announced and GBP crossed a certain threshold some weeks ago I traded out of around 70% of my foreign currency position in about a week in about three tranches. It was around this time that I worked out that online trading is geographically dependent (it only works if you are in a certain area) so this required booking a taxi to go into town to do it in the bank. I am now on first-name terms with the special adviser. Once the dust has settled and trading costs are taken into account my losses will be in low-four-figures spread over a year. However if I had not moved when I did it would be low-five-figures, so just no new laptop instead of slash-wrists-time.

    I intend to write up he process in "Chronicle of a bet foretold: part 3", which hopefully @TheScreamingEagles will see fit to publish later in the year.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    BluerBlue said:

    This where I remind everyone that Labour's manifesto includes specific plans to extend the franchise to all residents of the UK, which could mean a net gain of millions of votes for Labour and would be the most extreme act of vote-rigging in generations.
    It's not a competition to see who is seeking to change the rules of the game most in their partisan favour. At least it bloody well shouldnt be.
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,031
    Dura_Ace said:

    They tories will be pleased when Corbo is gone and they can resume disinterest in identity politics.
    Oh, I think they'll be itching to get in on the Bannon side of it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,679
    Alistair said:

    Ashfield I have left alone because of the independent.
    And at least three Tory faceplants :-)
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