Not to defend everything in the Labour manifesto but to make a general point. This iteration of Labour (unlike previous ones) is challenging the consensus that arose from Mrs Thatcher's revolution. Much of the comment about how "ridiculous" and "insane" the policies are is purely because this consensus has now become sterile received wisdom. Exactly as happened with the previous consensus before Thatcher blew it apart.
Simplification of course but I have never seen a consensus that agrees with gross overspending compared to sound money.
At worst he latter may have implications around funding levels but the former is the sure path to a Venezuela/Zimbabwe type outcome.
Venezuela/Zimbabwe seems a little over the top. The IFS said Labour's spending would take it to a similar level in relation to GDP as Germany. And there are still a further six Western European countries with higher spending than that (none of whom have economies that bear comparison to Venezuela or Zimbabwe).
I said below on this thread, that I'm amazed how so many intelligent people can't understand that other intelligent people have differing views.
The amount of comments (and I'm not suggesting you are guilty), that are accompanied by abuse or hyperbole ("cretin", "idiot", "fool", "insane" etc.) is worthy of echo chambers like the Daily Mail comments page or Rachael Swindon's twitter feed, not a comment section on a betting like this.
Jeremy Corbyn vowed to confront Donald Trump at Buckingham Palace tonight after the US president took a wrecking ball to his claims the US want to seize the NHS.
I have a vision of Queenie going leave it Jezza its not worth it...
I can just see Corbyn there waving the dodgy dossier about in his hands, foaming at the mount with his utter hatred of our closest ally. Corbyn - and the Labour party - have lost their minds.
Just received a Tory leaflet in Windsor for Adam Afriyie (the local MP). 3 Priorities listed are
Fighting Heathrow expansion Protecting against flooding Defending local vibrant economy
There is no mention of Brexit at all, which I find strange as he was a spartan voting against May's deal.
It's almost as though he is ashamed of it.....
So he should be ashamed - Windsor voted 53% Remain. Could be that he's detected a formidable Lib Dem surge.
Today's Darlington Tory leaflet is the same
More GPs Revitalise the Town Centre (Good luck there) More Police (possibly)
No mention of Brexit just a desire for a none hung Parliament.
Same as for Ranil in NE Hampshire. Leaflet in the post addressed to me. No mention of Boris or Brexit just a focus on "local issues" (housebuilding, roads, schools, GPs, etc) and a warning about hung Parliament / Corbyn if you vote Lib Dem. Seems like a CCHQ "template" approach in (very) safe Tory seats to me i.e. token effort not really required.
Haven't noticed any posters from any party in any windows ... just a couple of Ranil billboards in the local farmers' fields. MRP says he'll lose some vote share to the Lib Dems but I doubt it ... the mood here is very Leavey and very anti-Corbyn (obv.).
I'm meeting a mate for lunch tomorrow - he's involved with coordinating the Lib Dem effort in Winchester so l'll report back with any nuggets of info. from the front line.
I can understand why sitting Tory MPs don't feel it necessary to emphasise a pro Brexit message on their election leaflet in both of Remain voting NE Hampshire and Windsor. They probably feel that they can pretty well clean up the pro Brexit vote in the absence of the BXP, with their main concern to keep a reasonable proportion of Tory Remainers on board by appealing to a broader agenda. However, the rationale of a Tory challenger downplaying Brexit in 58% Leave voting Darlington is harder to fathom in the face of competition from the BXP for Leave voters.
Sleaford and North Hykeham Conservative leaflet seems to be rather different to those previously mentioned.
The three priorities mentioned are:
Investment in Local NHS Services Get Brexit Done Better Infrastructure, more police, protected rural communities.
I think this may be the 4th or 5th Tory leaflet so it's probably not surprising it isn't about Brexit.
The choice of photos does however show how little the Tories know about the town...
Why’s Boris campaigning in Salisbury? 17,000 odd majority. Keeping him out of trouble? SW Tory vote a bit soft? He should campaigning in Labour’ red wall.
Jeremy Corbyn vowed to confront Donald Trump at Buckingham Palace tonight after the US president took a wrecking ball to his claims the US want to seize the NHS.
I have a vision of Queenie going leave it Jezza its not worth it...
I can just see Corbyn there waving the dodgy dossier about in his hands, foaming at the mount with his utter hatred of our closest ally. Corbyn - and the Labour party - have lost their minds.
I can just see Trump there saying "My friend Vladimir told me about that dodgy dossier in your hand....how he was laughing...."
Just had by 9-13th latest LD leaflets (including the regulation joke one from OGH).
It's utterly insane - there is zero chance they are sticking to spending limits - They must have spent £3 on me alone by this point, in a constituency they have no chance in.
If delivered by hand by volunteers they're not expensive.
I've had 7 by mail. If they're delivering by volunteers then these people are morons as I'm in a safe seat next door to a major target for the yellow peril.
Between this and the Warrington South muck up, the Lib Dem ground game this time round seems totally bonkers. Who on earth is running it ?
I'm reading insane shit that the LD internal polling is showing Swinson down 3 to 6 points on the SNP.
If so I would like to deeply apologise to those people. I mocked for suggesting Swinson could be in trouble.
Sounds like ramping. She has a 5k majority and the former SNP MP has bunked off to fight a Tory seat - Ochil and South Perthshire. (This unfortunate then managed to forget which seat he was fighting during a hustings to the hilarity of all, himself excepted).
Why’s Boris campaigning in Salisbury? 17,000 odd majority. Keeping him out of trouble? SW Tory vote a bit soft? He should campaigning in Labour’ red wall.
I can just see Corbyn there waving the dodgy dossier about in his hands, foaming at the mount with his utter hatred of our closest ally. Corbyn - and the Labour party - have lost their minds.
His aides will be sewing in a secret camera so they can release the footage of BIG JC giving it to Trump.
Why’s Boris campaigning in Salisbury? 17,000 odd majority. Keeping him out of trouble? SW Tory vote a bit soft? He should campaigning in Labour’ red wall.
Just had by 9-13th latest LD leaflets (including the regulation joke one from OGH).
It's utterly insane - there is zero chance they are sticking to spending limits - They must have spent £3 on me alone by this point, in a constituency they have no chance in.
If delivered by hand by volunteers they're not expensive.
What's the print cost of a leaflet ?
Very little and there are economies of scale
I can get 5000 A5 full colour glossy leaflets done for a local event for about £50.
Further update on tactical voting (from the Guardian blog):
Almost a third of voters now say they will vote tactically in the election, according to polling carried out for the Electoral Reform Society (ERS), with the proportion rising rapidly.
The polling by BMG found 30% of people said they would be “voting for the best-positioned party/candidate to keep out another party/candidate that I dislike” on 12 December. This is up from 22% saying this at the start of the election campaign, and 24% in a parallel poll last week.
Only 51% of people said they would pick “the candidate/party I most prefer, regardless of how likely they are to win”.
True. That’s why I’ll be voting Tory, to keep out Corbyn.
Why’s Boris campaigning in Salisbury? 17,000 odd majority. Keeping him out of trouble? SW Tory vote a bit soft? He should campaigning in Labour’ red wall.
google salisbury and get corbyn and russia?
Google Boris and get Trump and Russia.
Mine was a serious response
I associate Salisbury with Russian poisoning, Constable and Robert Cecil
Admittedly a rather eclectic list...
But most people I suspect would link to poisoning attempts
I can just see Corbyn there waving the dodgy dossier about in his hands, foaming at the mount with his utter hatred of our closest ally. Corbyn - and the Labour party - have lost their minds.
His aides will be sewing in a secret camera so they can release the footage of BIG JC giving it to Trump.
I’m not sure what sort of event Corbyn thinks he’s going to, but he may be in for a surprise if he thinks that you can just wonder up to one of the main guests and have a chat.
Just had by 9-13th latest LD leaflets (including the regulation joke one from OGH).
It's utterly insane - there is zero chance they are sticking to spending limits - They must have spent £3 on me alone by this point, in a constituency they have no chance in.
If delivered by hand by volunteers they're not expensive.
I've had 7 by mail. If they're delivering by volunteers then these people are morons as I'm in a safe seat next door to a major target for the yellow peril.
Between this and the Warrington South muck up, the Lib Dem ground game this time round seems totally bonkers. Who on earth is running it ?
Why’s Boris campaigning in Salisbury? 17,000 odd majority. Keeping him out of trouble? SW Tory vote a bit soft? He should campaigning in Labour’ red wall.
Salisbury has been brought up quite a lot by the Tories on the campaign trail regarding Corbyn's response to Novichok so that might be part of it.
But the most difficult moment he has faced on the trail is in South Yorks after the floods so maybe to avoid any gaffes it's best to get the leader behind the blue wall and let the local candidates and the Brexit message cut through instead.
Not to defend everything in the Labour manifesto but to make a general point. This iteration of Labour (unlike previous ones) is challenging the consensus that arose from Mrs Thatcher's revolution. Much of the comment about how "ridiculous" and "insane" the policies are is purely because this consensus has now become sterile received wisdom. Exactly as happened with the previous consensus before Thatcher blew it apart.
Simplification of course but I have never seen a consensus that agrees with gross overspending compared to sound money.
At worst he latter may have implications around funding levels but the former is the sure path to a Venezuela/Zimbabwe type outcome.
Venezuela/Zimbabwe seems a little over the top. The IFS said Labour's spending would take it to a similar level in relation to GDP as Germany. And there are still a further six Western European countries with higher spending than that (none of whom have economies that bear comparison to Venezuela or Zimbabwe).
I said below on this thread, that I'm amazed how so many intelligent people can't understand that other intelligent people have differing views.
The amount of comments (and I'm not suggesting you are guilty), that are accompanied by abuse or hyperbole ("cretin", "idiot", "fool", "insane" etc.) is worthy of echo chambers like the Daily Mail comments page or Rachael Swindon's twitter feed, not a comment section on a betting like this.
They have added spending commitments since the IFS analysis. The other problem is that labour also have numerous policies to shrink GDP and to shrink it a lot.
Why’s Boris campaigning in Salisbury? 17,000 odd majority. Keeping him out of trouble? SW Tory vote a bit soft? He should campaigning in Labour’ red wall.
Salisbury has been brought up quite a lot by the Tories on the campaign trail regarding Corbyn's response to Novichok so that might be part of it.
But the most difficult moment he has faced on the trail is in South Yorks after the floods so maybe to avoid any gaffes it's best to get the leader behind the blue wall and let the local candidates and the Brexit message cut through instead.
Why’s Boris campaigning in Salisbury? 17,000 odd majority. Keeping him out of trouble? SW Tory vote a bit soft? He should campaigning in Labour’ red wall.
google salisbury and get corbyn and russia?
Google Boris and get Trump and Russia.
Mine was a serious response
I associate Salisbury with Russian poisoning, Constable and Robert Cecil
Admittedly a rather eclectic list...
But most people I suspect would link to poisoning attempts
Boris going to Salisbury is a less than subtle reminder of the threat NATO faces on its birthday.
Not to defend everything in the Labour manifesto but to make a general point. This iteration of Labour (unlike previous ones) is challenging the consensus that arose from Mrs Thatcher's revolution. Much of the comment about how "ridiculous" and "insane" the policies are is purely because this consensus has now become sterile received wisdom. Exactly as happened with the previous consensus before Thatcher blew it apart.
Simplification of course but I have never seen a consensus that agrees with gross overspending compared to sound money.
At worst he latter may have implications around funding levels but the former is the sure path to a Venezuela/Zimbabwe type outcome.
Venezuela/Zimbabwe seems a little over the top. The IFS said Labour's spending would take it to a similar level in relation to GDP as Germany. And there are still a further six Western European countries with higher spending than that (none of whom have economies that bear comparison to Venezuela or Zimbabwe).
I said below on this thread, that I'm amazed how so many intelligent people can't understand that other intelligent people have differing views.
The amount of comments (and I'm not suggesting you are guilty), that are accompanied by abuse or hyperbole ("cretin", "idiot", "fool", "insane" etc.) is worthy of echo chambers like the Daily Mail comments page or Rachael Swindon's twitter feed, not a comment section on a betting like this.
They have added spending commitments since the IFS analysis. The other problem is that labour also have numerous policies to shrink GDP and to shrink it a lot.
Labour would rely on funding from the bond markets and even by McDonnell's own acknowledgement there is likely to be a reluctance to finance such government spending.
Which forces the government to create the money to finance its promises.
All you've confirmed in my mind is that she's a female Corbyn. A mad conspiracy theorist with a distinctly unserious mind. Still, in the eye of the beholder and all that.
And there you have it, friends. Within weeks she will be there, sharing hustings with Keir Starmer and Rebecca Long Bailey in front of the labour membership. You don't have to share kinabalu's politics. This is a betting site. As Ave it would have it, Piddy nailed on!
She has to hold her seat first. I'd rather be "up for Pidcock" on election night if its possible.
Today is all Trump and Boris meeting Merkel and Macron at no 10 and tonight the banquet with HMQ
And Corbyn, standing in front of a picket line
Tomorrow will be all about the NATO conference and international security
And then just 6 days campaign left
When does the Tory campaign start?
Seems to be doing ok with Boris up 4% to 41% approval and Corbyn down 2% to 22% in todays poll
Has HYUFD hacked your PB account? I remember those days just last summer when you planned on leaving the Conservative Party because they had just elected a charlatan as PM.
Her popularity has definitely waned locally, might see her vote drop, but tactical voting is the big unknown. I say narrow hold, but would be interested to hear from anyone with a local contact.
Not to defend everything in the Labour manifesto but to make a general point. This iteration of Labour (unlike previous ones) is challenging the consensus that arose from Mrs Thatcher's revolution. Much of the comment about how "ridiculous" and "insane" the policies are is purely because this consensus has now become sterile received wisdom. Exactly as happened with the previous consensus before Thatcher blew it apart.
Simplification of course but I have never seen a consensus that agrees with gross overspending compared to sound money.
At worst he latter may have implications around funding levels but the former is the sure path to a Venezuela/Zimbabwe type outcome.
Venezuela/Zimbabwe seems a little over the top. The IFS said Labour's spending would take it to a similar level in relation to GDP as Germany. And there are still a further six Western European countries with higher spending than that (none of whom have economies that bear comparison to Venezuela or Zimbabwe).
I said below on this thread, that I'm amazed how so many intelligent people can't understand that other intelligent people have differing views.
The amount of comments (and I'm not suggesting you are guilty), that are accompanied by abuse or hyperbole ("cretin", "idiot", "fool", "insane" etc.) is worthy of echo chambers like the Daily Mail comments page or Rachael Swindon's twitter feed, not a comment section on a betting like this.
They have added spending commitments since the IFS analysis. The other problem is that labour also have numerous policies to shrink GDP and to shrink it a lot.
Labour would rely on funding from the bond markets and even by McDonnell's own acknowledgement there is likely to be a reluctance to finance such government spending.
Which forces the government to create the money to finance its promises.
And then inflation takes hold.
And then our currency becomes devalued.
Yet another difficult one for Tories to brandish with any credibility, considering Brexit has already devalued the £ considerably. Mind you if Jezza gets in it will be worth less than a dollar in no time; a Zimbabwean one no doubt!
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Still time yet. Is Swinson doing one?
No idea.
But my point is good. The London Bridge attack has allowed Boris to sidestep the Andrew Neil nightmare. No one is talking about it any more, apart from me,
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Still time yet. Is Swinson doing one?
No idea.
But my point is good. The London Bridge attack has allowed Boris to sidestep the Andrew Neil nightmare. No one is talking about it any more, apart from me,
I honestly think the whole thing was over-hyped, all because Jezza had a multi-car pile-up and which I don't think has hurt his polling.
I think the terrorist stuff is trickier as we now have one of the fathers (who isn't exactly a Tory fan to put it mildly looking at this twitter feed) being very unhappy with his response, while I think the public will be angry that terrorists are getting released early.
Today is all Trump and Boris meeting Merkel and Macron at no 10 and tonight the banquet with HMQ
And Corbyn, standing in front of a picket line
Tomorrow will be all about the NATO conference and international security
And then just 6 days campaign left
When does the Tory campaign start?
Seems to be doing ok with Boris up 4% to 41% approval and Corbyn down 2% to 22% in todays poll
Has HYUFD hacked your PB account? I remember those days just last summer when you planned on leaving the Conservative Party because they had just elected a charlatan as PM.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to to nationalise sex, so you have to pay the state if you wish to interact with someone else's buttocks.
in this light, even Tory haters are going Tory, just to keep out the mad Trot.
Today is all Trump and Boris meeting Merkel and Macron at no 10 and tonight the banquet with HMQ
And Corbyn, standing in front of a picket line
Tomorrow will be all about the NATO conference and international security
And then just 6 days campaign left
When does the Tory campaign start?
Seems to be doing ok with Boris up 4% to 41% approval and Corbyn down 2% to 22% in todays poll
Has HYUFD hacked your PB account? I remember those days just last summer when you planned on leaving the Conservative Party because they had just elected a charlatan as PM.
He is a classic "tribal". There are millions of them. It is why I don't think Labour voters, however "Leavey" will vote Tory when they get in the booth. Could be wrong, but hung parliament or very small Tory majority is still my guess.
Today is all Trump and Boris meeting Merkel and Macron at no 10 and tonight the banquet with HMQ
And Corbyn, standing in front of a picket line
Tomorrow will be all about the NATO conference and international security
And then just 6 days campaign left
When does the Tory campaign start?
Seems to be doing ok with Boris up 4% to 41% approval and Corbyn down 2% to 22% in todays poll
Has HYUFD hacked your PB account? I remember those days just last summer when you planned on leaving the Conservative Party because they had just elected a charlatan as PM.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to to nationalise sex, so you have to pay the state if you wish to interact with someone else's buttocks.
in this light, even Tory haters are going Tory, just to keep out the mad Trot.
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Still time yet. Is Swinson doing one?
No idea.
But my point is good. The London Bridge attack has allowed Boris to sidestep the Andrew Neil nightmare. No one is talking about it any more, apart from me,
I wonder if in future elections all leaders will avoid these TV grillings. I cannot see any upside in them because of the amount of ammunition interviewers can use against them. Unless a party puts forward a 'clean skin' as a leader - and then they'll be accused of being too inexperienced - like silly Jo Swinson. It's a fool's errand doing those debates and interviews, for all of them.
Today is all Trump and Boris meeting Merkel and Macron at no 10 and tonight the banquet with HMQ
And Corbyn, standing in front of a picket line
Tomorrow will be all about the NATO conference and international security
And then just 6 days campaign left
When does the Tory campaign start?
Seems to be doing ok with Boris up 4% to 41% approval and Corbyn down 2% to 22% in todays poll
Has HYUFD hacked your PB account? I remember those days just last summer when you planned on leaving the Conservative Party because they had just elected a charlatan as PM.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to to nationalise sex, so you have to pay the state if you wish to interact with someone else's buttocks.
in this light, even Tory haters are going Tory, just to keep out the mad Trot.
Sorry, I hadn't read the Labour Party Manifesto and had missed out on that scurrilous outrage!
Not to defend everything in the Labour manifesto but to make a general point. This iteration of Labour (unlike previous ones) is challenging the consensus that arose from Mrs Thatcher's revolution. Much of the comment about how "ridiculous" and "insane" the policies are is purely because this consensus has now become sterile received wisdom. Exactly as happened with the previous consensus before Thatcher blew it apart.
Simplification of course but I have never seen a consensus that agrees with gross overspending compared to sound money.
At worst he latter may have implications around funding levels but the former is the sure path to a Venezuela/Zimbabwe type outcome.
Venezuela/Zimbabwe seems a little over the top. The IFS said Labour's spending would take it to a similar level in relation to GDP as Germany. And there are still a further six Western European countries with higher spending than that (none of whom have economies that bear comparison to Venezuela or Zimbabwe).
I said below on this thread, that I'm amazed how so many intelligent people can't understand that other intelligent people have differing views.
The amount of comments (and I'm not suggesting you are guilty), that are accompanied by abuse or hyperbole ("cretin", "idiot", "fool", "insane" etc.) is worthy of echo chambers like the Daily Mail comments page or Rachael Swindon's twitter feed, not a comment section on a betting like this.
They have added spending commitments since the IFS analysis. The other problem is that labour also have numerous policies to shrink GDP and to shrink it a lot.
The comments I saw were post the Waspi announcement, and showed Labour's plans below Germany's tax take %. The IFS also said some of the estimates of growth (due to the increased investment) were conservative, which doesn't suggest GDP shrinking.
But what I'm suggesting is that there are arguments all around. The IFS didn't suggest Labour would turn the country into Venezuela - that's Daily Mail hyperbole. My own view is that there's not much point discussing policies on here, when the "discussion" so often descent into farcical extremes.
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Still time yet. Is Swinson doing one?
No idea.
But my point is good. The London Bridge attack has allowed Boris to sidestep the Andrew Neil nightmare. No one is talking about it any more, apart from me,
I wonder if in future elections all leaders will avoid these TV grillings. I cannot see any upside in them because of the amount of ammunition interviewers can use against them. Unless a party puts forward a 'clean skin' as a leader - and then they'll be accused of being too inexperienced - like silly Jo Swinson. It's a fool's errand doing those debates and interviews, for all of them.
I actually think the media should work together and rather than trying to out do each other with silly stunts like the CH4 debate, come up with a concrete timetable between them to force politicians hands.
It is ridiculous that our potential leaders don't get interviewed for an extended period. I also think that the chancellors / shadows should as well.
All you've confirmed in my mind is that she's a female Corbyn. A mad conspiracy theorist with a distinctly unserious mind. Still, in the eye of the beholder and all that.
And there you have it, friends. Within weeks she will be there, sharing hustings with Keir Starmer and Rebecca Long Bailey in front of the labour membership. You don't have to share kinabalu's politics. This is a betting site. As Ave it would have it, Piddy nailed on!
She has to hold her seat first. I'd rather be "up for Pidcock" on election night if its possible.
There are more likely seats for a 9 point swing. 1/3 Lab Hold looks about right.
Today is all Trump and Boris meeting Merkel and Macron at no 10 and tonight the banquet with HMQ
And Corbyn, standing in front of a picket line
Tomorrow will be all about the NATO conference and international security
And then just 6 days campaign left
When does the Tory campaign start?
Seems to be doing ok with Boris up 4% to 41% approval and Corbyn down 2% to 22% in todays poll
Has HYUFD hacked your PB account? I remember those days just last summer when you planned on leaving the Conservative Party because they had just elected a charlatan as PM.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to to nationalise sex, so you have to pay the state if you wish to interact with someone else's buttocks.
in this light, even Tory haters are going Tory, just to keep out the mad Trot.
Sorry, I hadn't read the Labour Party Manifesto and had missed out on that scurrilous outrage!
Certain members of the Royal family may be in favour of sex that is free at the point of use.
Today is all Trump and Boris meeting Merkel and Macron at no 10 and tonight the banquet with HMQ
And Corbyn, standing in front of a picket line
Tomorrow will be all about the NATO conference and international security
And then just 6 days campaign left
When does the Tory campaign start?
Seems to be doing ok with Boris up 4% to 41% approval and Corbyn down 2% to 22% in todays poll
Has HYUFD hacked your PB account? I remember those days just last summer when you planned on leaving the Conservative Party because they had just elected a charlatan as PM.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to to nationalise sex, so you have to pay the state if you wish to interact with someone else's buttocks.
in this light, even Tory haters are going Tory, just to keep out the mad Trot.
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Still time yet. Is Swinson doing one?
No idea.
But my point is good. The London Bridge attack has allowed Boris to sidestep the Andrew Neil nightmare. No one is talking about it any more, apart from me,
I honestly think the whole thing was over-hyped, all because Jezza had a multi-car pile-up and which I don't think has hurt his polling.
I think the terrorist stuff is trickier as we now have one of the fathers (who isn't exactly a Tory fan to put it mildly looking at this twitter feed) being very unhappy with his response, while I think the public will be angry that terrorists are getting released early.
The response from that poor lad's father (i.e. the dad of the man killed in London Bridge) is not edifying or well advised. The father can be excused, of course, because of his terrible grief, but the Guardian should know better than to publish something so raw, and so soon.
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Probably for the best. After Jezza's effort, it would have attracted huge viewing figures, and I wouldn't expect AN to pull any punches as it could have cemented his reputation in journalistic legend. Boris serves the Tories best as a cheeky grin and a funny haircut. They don't want anything to scratch any deeper than that.
Why’s Boris campaigning in Salisbury? 17,000 odd majority. Keeping him out of trouble? SW Tory vote a bit soft? He should campaigning in Labour’ red wall.
Salisbury is famous for the height of its cathedral spire.
Mr. Nova, Labour's claimed, wrongly, that it would only be the top few percent who would fund everything they've promised to splurge money on (and their own figures for spending are far lower than those of others who've looked at their plans).
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Probably for the best. After Jezza's effort, it would have attracted huge viewing figures, and I wouldn't expect AN to pull any punches as it could have cemented his reputation in journalistic legend. Boris serves the Tories best as a cheeky grin and a funny haircut. They don't want anything to scratch any deeper than that.
It is an absolute disgrace that he has avoided it. A liar, a coward and a cheat.
Further update on tactical voting (from the Guardian blog):
Almost a third of voters now say they will vote tactically in the election, according to polling carried out for the Electoral Reform Society (ERS), with the proportion rising rapidly.
The polling by BMG found 30% of people said they would be “voting for the best-positioned party/candidate to keep out another party/candidate that I dislike” on 12 December. This is up from 22% saying this at the start of the election campaign, and 24% in a parallel poll last week.
Only 51% of people said they would pick “the candidate/party I most prefer, regardless of how likely they are to win”.
True. That’s why I’ll be voting Tory, to keep out Corbyn.
Given that the Brexit Party got 30.5% at the EU elections and they are now polling 3%, I await the leaflet from polling expert Mike Smithson that 27.5% of that 30% is Brexit Party voters voting tactically....
Further update on tactical voting (from the Guardian blog):
Almost a third of voters now say they will vote tactically in the election, according to polling carried out for the Electoral Reform Society (ERS), with the proportion rising rapidly.
The polling by BMG found 30% of people said they would be “voting for the best-positioned party/candidate to keep out another party/candidate that I dislike” on 12 December. This is up from 22% saying this at the start of the election campaign, and 24% in a parallel poll last week.
Only 51% of people said they would pick “the candidate/party I most prefer, regardless of how likely they are to win”.
True. That’s why I’ll be voting Tory, to keep out Corbyn.
Clearly not actually a teacher then. Teacher's at local comprehensives buy their own pens, pencils and ink just to keep lessons running. The truest sign ever we are at the absolute arse end of a Tory Administration. Plus your'e happy withdrawing from the EU science funding euratom etc etc?
Just imagine if Corbyn gets in and gives the schools the money and respect they deserve. Whatever would you do. Being a fyzicyst you clearly cannot be taken in buy the populist right wing. ' oh yeah mate Corbyn he's a terrorist its well known mate' (sharp exhalation of breath through teeth).
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Probably for the best. After Jezza's effort, it would have attracted huge viewing figures, and I wouldn't expect AN to pull any punches as it could have cemented his reputation in journalistic legend. Boris serves the Tories best as a cheeky grin and a funny haircut. They don't want anything to scratch any deeper than that.
It is an absolute disgrace that he has avoided it. A liar, a coward and a cheat.
Hard to argue with that. But Labour were stupidly naive to agree to an interview without a written guarantee the Boris had to do one as well.
When is the total number of the electorate going to be announced? It's normally about now.
It's the key number to look for - endless posts and articles about how many people applied to register on various days - but the number that actually matters is the final total of how many are actually registered and the comparison to 2017.
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Still time yet. Is Swinson doing one?
No idea.
But my point is good. The London Bridge attack has allowed Boris to sidestep the Andrew Neil nightmare. No one is talking about it any more, apart from me,
I honestly think the whole thing was over-hyped, all because Jezza had a multi-car pile-up and which I don't think has hurt his polling.
I think the terrorist stuff is trickier as we now have one of the fathers (who isn't exactly a Tory fan to put it mildly looking at this twitter feed) being very unhappy with his response, while I think the public will be angry that terrorists are getting released early.
The response from that poor lad's father (i.e. the dad of the man killed in London Bridge) is not edifying or well advised. The father can be excused, of course, because of his terrible grief, but the Guardian should know better than to publish something so raw, and so soon.
The father appears to have very entrenched far left views. Lots of talk on his social media about Palestine, evil Tories over the years. I think he was always going to make a political point when he found himself in the spotlight. Unexpectedly the first 'politicising' of the attacks I saw came from Yvette Cooper.
So Dominic Raab has admitted that the US will be able to increase the cost of drugs they supply to the NHS after Brexit. Isn't this what we have all been going on about for weeks. Why would he admit it now?
That Green vote seems implausibly high, I imagine most of that will go to Labour, so it's possible Labour are actually on around 35%, so a 7 point lead. Still possible to force a Hung Parliament - but we need to make progress quickly.
I knew the Lib Dems were in trouble, but I hadn’t realised that their lack of talent was so profound that Christine Jardine would be a top five candidate to be next leader.
corbyn's "apology" was even worse than i had thought...
"Obviously I am very sorry for everything that has happened. But I would like to make it clear that we are dealing with it - I have dealt with it."
could easily be talking about the criticism he has faced...
Saying 'Obviously' to begin a weeks late patently insincere remark stating the conspicuously unobvious is a properly unpleasant passive aggressive tactic.
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Probably for the best. After Jezza's effort, it would have attracted huge viewing figures, and I wouldn't expect AN to pull any punches as it could have cemented his reputation in journalistic legend. Boris serves the Tories best as a cheeky grin and a funny haircut. They don't want anything to scratch any deeper than that.
It is an absolute disgrace that he has avoided it. A liar, a coward and a cheat.
Hard to argue with that. But Labour were stupidly naive to agree to an interview without a written guarantee the Boris had to do one as well.
The only good thing for Labour is that it has turned Jezza's interview into something of a moral win. The Tories can't now criticize his performance when their own man chickened out.
So Dominic Raab has admitted that the US will be able to increase the cost of drugs they supply to the NHS after Brexit. Isn't this what we have all been going on about for weeks. Why would he admit it now?
But Trump has said he doesn't want the NHS. Therein lies a dilemma. Who to believe? I am going for Raab, he seems a nice, reliable boy!
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Probably for the best. After Jezza's effort, it would have attracted huge viewing figures, and I wouldn't expect AN to pull any punches as it could have cemented his reputation in journalistic legend. Boris serves the Tories best as a cheeky grin and a funny haircut. They don't want anything to scratch any deeper than that.
It is an absolute disgrace that he has avoided it. A liar, a coward and a cheat.
Hard to argue with that. But Labour were stupidly naive to agree to an interview without a written guarantee the Boris had to do one as well.
It's a sad day when it is 'naive' to expect the prime minister to be willing to subject himself to normal journalistic scrutiny during an election campaign. Once again Nye Bevan's assessment of the Tory character has been vindicated.
In all the kerfuffle, one thing has gone overlooked
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
Probably for the best. After Jezza's effort, it would have attracted huge viewing figures, and I wouldn't expect AN to pull any punches as it could have cemented his reputation in journalistic legend. Boris serves the Tories best as a cheeky grin and a funny haircut. They don't want anything to scratch any deeper than that.
Very nicely put. He reminds me of a Ming vase, incredibly expensive but shatters into a million pieces if dropped. So far, he's still intact - just.
Mr. Nova, Labour's claimed, wrongly, that it would only be the top few percent who would fund everything they've promised to splurge money on (and their own figures for spending are far lower than those of others who've looked at their plans).
I'm not convinced either party's economic policies are going to work as described. Labour's spending seems scattershot, while the Tories seem to be far too conservative (no pun intended) after the drag on growth that is austerity.
But I don't really need a discussion about economics, because I know people have different beliefs, and I find it pointless to discuss if countries like Zimbabwe are brought into it. Does anyone really believe that Labour's policies would cause inflation of 9.6 billion percent a month?
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I think he said "of course I apologise for everything that has happened". That is completely meaningless.
I said below on this thread, that I'm amazed how so many intelligent people can't understand that other intelligent people have differing views.
The amount of comments (and I'm not suggesting you are guilty), that are accompanied by abuse or hyperbole ("cretin", "idiot", "fool", "insane" etc.) is worthy of echo chambers like the Daily Mail comments page or Rachael Swindon's twitter feed, not a comment section on a betting like this.
The choice of photos does however show how little the Tories know about the town...
Who on earth is running it ?
I can get 5000 A5 full colour glossy leaflets done for a local event for about £50.
"Obviously I am very sorry for everything that has happened. But I would like to make it clear that we are dealing with it - I have dealt with it."
could easily be talking about the criticism he has faced...
I associate Salisbury with Russian poisoning, Constable and Robert Cecil
Admittedly a rather eclectic list...
But most people I suspect would link to poisoning attempts
https://order-order.com/2019/12/03/libdem-head-press-rosy-cobb-suspended-party/
But the most difficult moment he has faced on the trail is in South Yorks after the floods so maybe to avoid any gaffes it's best to get the leader behind the blue wall and let the local candidates and the Brexit message cut through instead.
Which forces the government to create the money to finance its promises.
And then inflation takes hold.
And then our currency becomes devalued.
In other seats in Scotland we might see LAB and LD tactical vote for CON. Maybe Perth, Lanark and Hamilton W, Argyll & Bute, possibly Caithness
Boris has successfully dodged an interview with Andrew Neil
But my point is good. The London Bridge attack has allowed Boris to sidestep the Andrew Neil nightmare. No one is talking about it any more, apart from me,
I think the terrorist stuff is trickier as we now have one of the fathers (who isn't exactly a Tory fan to put it mildly looking at this twitter feed) being very unhappy with his response, while I think the public will be angry that terrorists are getting released early.
in this light, even Tory haters are going Tory, just to keep out the mad Trot.
Despite all the SNP/Sturgeon noise a lot of people in Scotland hate SNP/Sturgeon and thus may support parties other than their normal ones.
But DYOR I have no specific information!!!
But what I'm suggesting is that there are arguments all around. The IFS didn't suggest Labour would turn the country into Venezuela - that's Daily Mail hyperbole. My own view is that there's not much point discussing policies on here, when the "discussion" so often descent into farcical extremes.
It is ridiculous that our potential leaders don't get interviewed for an extended period. I also think that the chancellors / shadows should as well.
I shall raise a glass if he`s toast.
https://youtu.be/Sz3IRiK68O0
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnsons-brexit-plans-will-cost-uk-economy-up-to-£20bn-a-year-report-warns/ar-BBXGnWU?ocid=spartanntp
LD will hold O & S
SCon will hold BRS, DCT, D & G
SLab will hold Edin South
Likely SLab: Coatbridge
Like LD: Caithness
Likely SCon: Banff, Moray, Aberdeen South
Tossup: Edin West (LD/SNP), NE Fife (LD/SNP), Angus (SCon/SNP), East Dunbartonshire (LD/SNP)
I'd be tempted by under 45.5.
Or not.
Just imagine if Corbyn gets in and gives the schools the money and respect they deserve. Whatever would you do. Being a fyzicyst you clearly cannot be taken in buy the populist right wing. ' oh yeah mate Corbyn he's a terrorist its well known mate' (sharp exhalation of breath through teeth).
Why you so frightened:(???
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1201813909696655361?s=20
https://twitter.com/maximiliangapes/status/1201781033395507200?s=19
https://twitter.com/maximiliangapes/status/1201781528180805632?s=19
It's the key number to look for - endless posts and articles about how many people applied to register on various days - but the number that actually matters is the final total of how many are actually registered and the comparison to 2017.
-Both Down 1 Point In Latest YouGov Poll Compared With Previous Poll
https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk
Still possible to force a Hung Parliament - but we need to make progress quickly.
Next LD leader:
Umunna 2/1
Moran 3/1
Davey 10/1
Berger 12/1
Jardine 16/1
Jardine!?
Jardine?!?!
Jardine?!?!?!
I knew the Lib Dems were in trouble, but I hadn’t realised that their lack of talent was so profound that Christine Jardine would be a top five candidate to be next leader.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1201908958694268928
But I don't really need a discussion about economics, because I know people have different beliefs, and I find it pointless to discuss if countries like Zimbabwe are brought into it. Does anyone really believe that Labour's policies would cause inflation of 9.6 billion percent a month?
Says ‘the campaign has been disappointing but it’s too late to do anything about it now’
I'm not a Lib Dem and don't know how the party works
But I would imagine that kind of stuff will really piss a lot of people off
I'm firming up my tip of last week.
Claire Wright (Independent) to win Devon East from the Conservatives. You can get 7/4 if you're quick (she's shortening).
This is based on conversations and an amazing number of posters through her constituency.
N.B. I'm not saying she will, but that she's better than 7/4.
p.s. To show I'm not biased on this, I don't think Sarah Wollaston is going to win Totnes. This is a betting post.