Regarding Christmas dinner. You can keep your turkeys and chickens.
Duck is the fowl of choice on the Rentool Christmas table.
(With a side dish of pakoras, perhaps)
Young TSE: "Do you want a drink?" Young Sunil: "Got any Quorn?" Young TSE: "If you want!" (He takes a bottle of Meat from the fridge). Young Sunil: "MEAT? … Ugh!" Young TSE: "It’s what Ian Rush drinks." Young Sunil: "Ian Rush?" Young TSE: "Yeah, an’ he says if I don’t drink lots of Meat, when I grow up I’m only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!" Young Sunil: "Accrington Stanley? Who are they?" Young TSE: "Exactly!"
100% agreed. Turkey is dry chicken. I'd far rather chicken any day of the week than turkey.
Turkey seems to be one of those things people do because it is what people do rather than because its the best meat to go for. No thanks!
Turkeys are big. Many families would need half a dozen chickens to replace one turkey. However, the turkey boffins have solved your problem. You need to buy a turkey crown.
Parsnips are disgusting and who is Yougov surveying who'd know an Eton mess from a smashed-up pavlova?
Parsnips should be thoroughly parboiled then roasted until they are only just recognisable as parsnips and then they are one of god's most perfect creations.
The best way to have parsnips is grated in parsnip and onion bhajis. I've made them for about 30 different people, and they've all said they were the best bhajis they've ever had.
Point of (anecdotal) order: My mum always reminds me that "bhaji" is a curry. The fried things are called "bhajia(s)".
Pakora
That's another word for them, yes.
No, that's the right word for them!
Does it not depend where in India you are? I'm sure everywhere I've been in Maharashtra they've been called bhajis
Indeed - imagine what such a sum could do for social care. But none of these arguments are being made. The best to my mind is that Labour are favouring a few women over the majority of working women, men and the young. “Labour are for the noisy few not the many.” Why aren’t Tory campaigners using that line, for instance?
Yes, you are absolutely right. Boris seems to be making exactly the same error Theresa May made, of not laying into the inherent nonsense of Corbyn's positions. At least, that is how it appears. Perhaps there's some more subtle targeted campaigning going on under the surface (as the Tories did very well in 2015). If so, I'm not aware of it.
Boris’s mistake is different but it has the same effect.
His is laziness, whereas hers was fear.
Either way, the result is they don’t take the fight to the enemy.
His laziness is most manifest in his lack of preparation. He simply cannot be arsed to do his homework, which is why he falls apart so quickly under questioning. Rather than prepare he prefers to dodge interviews and only do photoshoots with the elderly, primary school pupils or animals.
Thanks Aaron You make a great point about towns, and students never coming back. I've seen Lisa Nandy working this issue as well - it should be a cross-party thing. Since your town is "Loyal and Ancient" and Wigan is "Ancient and Loyal" you already would have something in common..
Mr. Meeks, roast parsnips are delicious. I also enjoy eccles cakes.
Parsnips are wonderful, but only after the frost gets going. The frost is needed to break down the starch. Parboil to fluff them up then roast. Rotate regularly when roasting, and if roasting potatoes too then put the parsnips in a different dish as they cook more quickly.
Sprouts are also better having been frost-nipped.
My favourite Christmas dinner treat is chestnut stuffing. Home-made by mum. Sensational scenes.
Parsnips are disgusting and who is Yougov surveying who'd know an Eton mess from a smashed-up pavlova?
Parsnips should be thoroughly parboiled then roasted until they are only just recognisable as parsnips and then they are one of god's most perfect creations.
The best way to have parsnips is grated in parsnip and onion bhajis. I've made them for about 30 different people, and they've all said they were the best bhajis they've ever had.
Point of (anecdotal) order: My mum always reminds me that "bhaji" is a curry. The fried things are called "bhajia(s)".
Pakora
That's another word for them, yes.
No, that's the right word for them!
Does it not depend where in India you are? I'm sure everywhere I've been in Maharashtra they've been called bhajis
I think you are right there - Pakora is what my Punjabi other half and in-laws say, so I'm not going to argue with that.
And when my mother-in-law makes them, they are excellent!
Indeed - imagine what such a sum could do for social care. But none of these arguments are being made. The best to my mind is that Labour are favouring a few women over the majority of working women, men and the young. “Labour are for the noisy few not the many.” Why aren’t Tory campaigners using that line, for instance?
Yes, you are absolutely right. Boris seems to be making exactly the same error Theresa May made, of not laying into the inherent nonsense of Corbyn's positions. At least, that is how it appears. Perhaps there's some more subtle targeted campaigning going on under the surface (as the Tories did very well in 2015). If so, I'm not aware of it.
Boris’s mistake is different but it has the same effect.
His is laziness, whereas hers was fear.
Either way, the result is they don’t take the fight to the enemy.
His laziness is most manifest in his lack of preparation. He simply cannot be arsed to do his homework, which is why he falls apart so quickly under questioning. Rather than prepare he prefers to dodge interviews and only do photoshoots with the elderly, primary school pupils or animals.
He seemed pretty prepared for the head to head with Corbyn.
The 'Labour surge' of yesterday was huge fun - various posters only just short of ordering taxis to Heathrow terminal 2 - but the spreads have barely moved. Con majority of about 50 is the expectation, which has not changed much for several days. My own hunch is for a bigger win but I think the 50 is now about fair value, i.e. if I were starting with a clean sheet, bettingwise, it would stay that way, no buy and no sell at these levels.
Astonishing to see that YouGov poll described as 'controversial'.
Even YouGov seemed nervous about it at the time, and if I remember rightly promoted their regular polling (which was nowhere near as close to the final result) over this.
Thanks Aaron You make a great point about towns, and students never coming back. I've seen Lisa Nandy working this issue as well - it should be a cross-party thing. Since your town is "Loyal and Ancient" and Wigan is "Ancient and Loyal" you already would have something in common..
Up to a point. The Potteries do have 2 Universities, indeed a good friend of mine was a student at Keele and I had some good weekends there. She later went on to be a Lecturer at the Poly.
Smaller towns clearly are being squashed between the internet and "destination" shopping. The run down centres are not being helped by a decade of local council cuts. It is hard to see how Brexit induced further stress is going to help.
The 'Labour surge' of yesterday was huge fun - various posters only just short of ordering taxis to Heathrow terminal 2 - but the spreads have barely moved. Con majority of about 50 is the expectation, which has not changed much for several days. My own hunch is for a bigger win but I think the 50 is now about fair value, i.e. if I were starting with a clean sheet, bettingwise, it would stay that way, no buy and no sell at these levels.
Betfair went down to 1.48/49 this morning but is back at 1.54/55 now on Con Maj
Even YouGov seemed nervous about it at the time, and if I remember rightly promoted their regular polling (which was nowhere near as close to the final result) over this.
That's right. They only bigged it up after the event. IIRC Survation were consistently the best pollster on vote share. YouGov were out quite badly, along with most of the others.
The 'Labour surge' of yesterday was huge fun - various posters only just short of ordering taxis to Heathrow terminal 2 - but the spreads have barely moved. Con majority of about 50 is the expectation, which has not changed much for several days. My own hunch is for a bigger win but I think the 50 is now about fair value, i.e. if I were starting with a clean sheet, bettingwise, it would stay that way, no buy and no sell at these levels.
Betfair went down to 1.48/49 this morning but is back at 1.54/55 now on Con Maj
Remember Betfair was creeping down to 1.40 yesterday before the polls for no real reason. Clearly the punters don't know what they're doing and how to interpret the polls. There are far easier to read markets than Con majority because only a few people really know if a 3 point polling majority or a 7 point polling majority are required.
Mr. Meeks, roast parsnips are delicious. I also enjoy eccles cakes.
Parsnips are wonderful, but only after the frost gets going. The frost is needed to break down the starch. Parboil to fluff them up then roast. Rotate regularly when roasting, and if roasting potatoes too then put the parsnips in a different dish as they cook more quickly.
Sprouts are also better having been frost-nipped.
My favourite Christmas dinner treat is chestnut stuffing. Home-made by mum. Sensational scenes.
Pardon my ignorance but what does frost-nipped mean?
I hate sprouts. Only time I've ever enjoyed them is a dish my mother in law made one year. A mix of diced up sprouts and bacon roasted together.
Indeed - imagine what such a sum could do for social care. But none of these arguments are being made. The best to my mind is that Labour are favouring a few women over the majority of working women, men and the young. “Labour are for the noisy few not the many.” Why aren’t Tory campaigners using that line, for instance?
Yes, you are absolutely right. Boris seems to be making exactly the same error Theresa May made, of not laying into the inherent nonsense of Corbyn's positions. At least, that is how it appears. Perhaps there's some more subtle targeted campaigning going on under the surface (as the Tories did very well in 2015). If so, I'm not aware of it.
Boris’s mistake is different but it has the same effect.
His is laziness, whereas hers was fear.
Either way, the result is they don’t take the fight to the enemy.
His laziness is most manifest in his lack of preparation. He simply cannot be arsed to do his homework, which is why he falls apart so quickly under questioning. Rather than prepare he prefers to dodge interviews and only do photoshoots with the elderly, primary school pupils or animals.
He seemed pretty prepared for the head to head with Corbyn.
Repeating the same motto endlessly is not evidence of preparation.
The 'Labour surge' of yesterday was huge fun - various posters only just short of ordering taxis to Heathrow terminal 2 - but the spreads have barely moved. Con majority of about 50 is the expectation, which has not changed much for several days. My own hunch is for a bigger win but I think the 50 is now about fair value, i.e. if I were starting with a clean sheet, bettingwise, it would stay that way, no buy and no sell at these levels.
Worth remembering that the markets took a long time to respond to the shift in the polls in 2017. I remember feeling quite grateful for this fact around 21/22 May.
The 'Labour surge' of yesterday was huge fun - various posters only just short of ordering taxis to Heathrow terminal 2 - but the spreads have barely moved. Con majority of about 50 is the expectation, which has not changed much for several days. My own hunch is for a bigger win but I think the 50 is now about fair value, i.e. if I were starting with a clean sheet, bettingwise, it would stay that way, no buy and no sell at these levels.
Betfair went down to 1.48/49 this morning but is back at 1.54/55 now on Con Maj
Remember Betfair was creeping down to 1.40 yesterday before the polls for no real reason. Clearly the punters don't know what they're doing and how to interpret the polls. There are far easier to read markets than Con majority because only a few know if a 3 point polling majority or a 7 point polling majority are required.
The lib dems have been quite upfront about how clumpy they expect their vote to be..in some seats i dont expect them to register but in others there could be some SNP style 2015 swings
So far we've had lots of polls which can tell us the broad shape of HOW MANY votes there are out there for each candidate - but - The most important part of the YouGov MRP should be to...……. broadly confirm where the votes ARE.
My prediction is that the LIB Dems will be well down on the DataPraxis model. As they used too long a time period.
Indeed - imagine what such a sum could do for social care. But none of these arguments are being made. The best to my mind is that Labour are favouring a few women over the majority of working women, men and the young. “Labour are for the noisy few not the many.” Why aren’t Tory campaigners using that line, for instance?
Yes, you are absolutely right. Boris seems to be making exactly the same error Theresa May made, of not laying into the inherent nonsense of Corbyn's positions. At least, that is how it appears. Perhaps there's some more subtle targeted campaigning going on under the surface (as the Tories did very well in 2015). If so, I'm not aware of it.
Boris’s mistake is different but it has the same effect.
His is laziness, whereas hers was fear.
Either way, the result is they don’t take the fight to the enemy.
His laziness is most manifest in his lack of preparation. He simply cannot be arsed to do his homework, which is why he falls apart so quickly under questioning. Rather than prepare he prefers to dodge interviews and only do photoshoots with the elderly, primary school pupils or animals.
He seemed pretty prepared for the head to head with Corbyn.
Repeating the same motto endlessly is not evidence of preparation.
But having a prepared reply for any subject you can then switch to your motto from is.
Even YouGov seemed nervous about it at the time, and if I remember rightly promoted their regular polling (which was nowhere near as close to the final result) over this.
That's right. They only bigged it up after the event. IIRC Survation were consistently the best pollster on vote share. YouGov were out quite badly, along with most of the others.
The YouGov regular poling was rather good, tight up until the finish line where they suddenly applied extra corrections which herded it along with the others.
Mr. Meeks, roast parsnips are delicious. I also enjoy eccles cakes.
Parsnips are wonderful, but only after the frost gets going. The frost is needed to break down the starch. Parboil to fluff them up then roast. Rotate regularly when roasting, and if roasting potatoes too then put the parsnips in a different dish as they cook more quickly.
Sprouts are also better having been frost-nipped.
My favourite Christmas dinner treat is chestnut stuffing. Home-made by mum. Sensational scenes.
Pardon my ignorance but what does frost-nipped mean?
I hate sprouts. Only time I've ever enjoyed them is a dish my mother in law made one year. A mix of diced up sprouts and bacon roasted together.
Boil sprouts wrap them in sausage meat and deep fry.
Indeed - imagine what such a sum could do for social care. But none of these arguments are being made. The best to my mind is that Labour are favouring a few women over the majority of working women, men and the young. “Labour are for the noisy few not the many.” Why aren’t Tory campaigners using that line, for instance?
Yes, you are absolutely right. Boris seems to be making exactly the same error Theresa May made, of not laying into the inherent nonsense of Corbyn's positions. At least, that is how it appears. Perhaps there's some more subtle targeted campaigning going on under the surface (as the Tories did very well in 2015). If so, I'm not aware of it.
Boris’s mistake is different but it has the same effect.
His is laziness, whereas hers was fear.
Either way, the result is they don’t take the fight to the enemy.
His laziness is most manifest in his lack of preparation. He simply cannot be arsed to do his homework, which is why he falls apart so quickly under questioning. Rather than prepare he prefers to dodge interviews and only do photoshoots with the elderly, primary school pupils or animals.
He seemed pretty prepared for the head to head with Corbyn.
In the same way that Father Jack was prepared for his meeting with the Bishop.
Mr. Meeks, roast parsnips are delicious. I also enjoy eccles cakes.
Parsnips are wonderful, but only after the frost gets going. The frost is needed to break down the starch. Parboil to fluff them up then roast. Rotate regularly when roasting, and if roasting potatoes too then put the parsnips in a different dish as they cook more quickly.
Sprouts are also better having been frost-nipped.
My favourite Christmas dinner treat is chestnut stuffing. Home-made by mum. Sensational scenes.
Pardon my ignorance but what does frost-nipped mean?
I hate sprouts. Only time I've ever enjoyed them is a dish my mother in law made one year. A mix of diced up sprouts and bacon roasted together.
Harvest sprouts only after the frost has visited them - improves texture and flavour.
Even YouGov seemed nervous about it at the time, and if I remember rightly promoted their regular polling (which was nowhere near as close to the final result) over this.
That's right. They only bigged it up after the event. IIRC Survation were consistently the best pollster on vote share. YouGov were out quite badly, along with most of the others.
The YouGov regular poling was rather good, tight up until the finish line where they suddenly applied extra corrections which herded it along with the others.
They were one of the better ones. The last ten days or so of YouGov were 5, 7, 3, 4 and 7pt Tory leads. That's well within the margin of error, but you may be right that they made a change for that last poll. Either that, or they were just unlucky that was the poll they finished on.
Brussels sprouts are excellent provided they are very fresh and are undercooked. If you're having to buy them from a shop, then it's too late. You have to grow your own.
Pulpstar, have you got the wobbles yet? I have! I just cashed out my majority spread at 49. Nice profit and may prove foolish but I've got a sinking feeling! You hanging on in there?
Brussels sprouts are excellent provided they are very fresh and are undercooked. If you're having to buy them from a shop, then it's too late. You have to grow your own.
Yes Brussles are one of those things that are lovely when they're fresh but are yuk when they've gone old and have that ghastly "twang" to them.
I would say though you can get nice Brussels from shops, markets, farm shops etc when they're on the stems (haven't seen any of those so far this year mind)
Have we stablished what is driving the movement in these polls? Is it firming up of don’t knows towards Labour?
Has there been any real 'movement'? Kantar, having previously produced an outlier towards the Tories, has reverted to mean; ICM, having given Labour better ratings than other pollsters, has perhaps produced an outlier in Labour's direction. There really isn't that much to go on so far. By the end of the week we will know more.
Well, of course it's difficult to tell what's an outlier and what isn't before we know the election result. :-)
I just think people need to acknowledge that there is less certainty about the outcome of this election than many are assuming.
Anecdotal - Anyone else noted a shift recently with their left wing friends from "Pro EU" to omfg the Tories are awful posts ?
I think people have finally switched onto this election this week.
Three donkeys (the usual ones) have put up Labour boards on the main road leading into my town.
I’ve seen just one Tory poster in my village.
Corbyn doesn’t have the crowds and fresh passion behind him of GE2017 but that might not matter as the visceral ‘stop the Tories’ sentiment is an extremely powerful one.
Even YouGov seemed nervous about it at the time, and if I remember rightly promoted their regular polling (which was nowhere near as close to the final result) over this.
That's right. They only bigged it up after the event. IIRC Survation were consistently the best pollster on vote share. YouGov were out quite badly, along with most of the others.
The YouGov regular poling was rather good, tight up until the finish line where they suddenly applied extra corrections which herded it along with the others.
They were one of the better ones. The last ten days or so of YouGov were 5, 7, 3, 4 and 7pt Tory leads. That's well within the margin of error, but you may be right that they made a change for that last poll. Either that, or they were just unlucky that was the poll they finished on.
We could get Tory 41-42, and Labour 37-38 or something like that.
Boris should get about 320 seats on those numbers, but I’m not 100% sure.
Have we stablished what is driving the movement in these polls? Is it firming up of don’t knows towards Labour?
Has there been any real 'movement'? Kantar, having previously produced an outlier towards the Tories, has reverted to mean; ICM, having given Labour better ratings than other pollsters, has perhaps produced an outlier in Labour's direction. There really isn't that much to go on so far. By the end of the week we will know more.
Well, of course it's difficult to tell what's an outlier and what isn't before we know the election result. :-)
I just think people need to acknowledge that there is less certainty about the outcome of this election than many are assuming.
No, you can tell what is an outlier by comparing it to other polls. What you can't tell is whether all the polls as a whole are systematically wrong.
Even YouGov seemed nervous about it at the time, and if I remember rightly promoted their regular polling (which was nowhere near as close to the final result) over this.
That's right. They only bigged it up after the event. IIRC Survation were consistently the best pollster on vote share. YouGov were out quite badly, along with most of the others.
The YouGov regular poling was rather good, tight up until the finish line where they suddenly applied extra corrections which herded it along with the others.
They were one of the better ones. The last ten days or so of YouGov were 5, 7, 3, 4 and 7pt Tory leads. That's well within the margin of error, but you may be right that they made a change for that last poll. Either that, or they were just unlucky that was the poll they finished on.
We could get Tory 41-42, and Labour 37-38 or something like that.
Boris should get about 320 seats on those numbers, but I’m not 100% sure.
That wouldn't surprise me - maybe a 5-7pt lead on the day - but a few pollsters have said that even 7 won't be enough for a majority.
I think where the Corbynistas are right, is that Corbyn's the reason that polls were out/narrowed so much last time. A little of that was due to it not being possible to be as bad as he's portrayed - but a larger chunk is people not being keen to vote for him, but who will ultimately vote anti-Tory.
I don’t understand why the ex-Labour MPs haven’t been used more in a “I didn’t leave Labour, Labour left me” way.
Yes, but like Swinson gambling everything on Revoke (and the Westminster bubble agreeing with her) the ex-Labour MPs are just as bad. They assume people will switch votes or abstain just because Corbyn is an absolute disgrace.
It doesn’t work that way.
A bit like how Europe pontificate for ages whenever they suffer a rejection of their latest integration initiative, before deciding the answer is “more Europe”, Labour voters have thought long and hard about how utterly ghastly Jeremy Corbyn is and voting for someone else before deciding in the final two weeks..
Where on earth did the nonsense that 'Incidents of Islamophobia went up 375% after Boris wrote his article on the burqa' come from? Presumably it's being quoted all the time now because it is in some Labour or Momentum briefing note to activists, but it only requires about 0.5 seconds thought to realise that it must be utter garbage even if it's just a temporal rather than the completely absurd implied causal link. Boris is not exactly fastidious with the facts, but his critics on the left are just as bad.
I don’t understand why the ex-Labour MPs haven’t been used more in a “I didn’t leave Labour, Labour left me” way.
Yes, but like Swinson gambling everything on Revoke (and the Westminster bubble agreeing with her) the ex-Labour MPs are just as bad. They assume people will switch votes or abstain just because Corbyn is an absolute disgrace.
It doesn’t work that way.
A bit like how Europe pontificate for ages whenever they suffer a rejection of their latest integration initiative, before deciding the answer is “more Europe”, Labour voters have thought long and hard about how utterly ghastly Jeremy Corbyn is and voting for someone else before deciding in the final two weeks..
“Nah, I still hate the Tories more.”
The consolation, if it is one, being that a weak Corbyn Gvt, propped up by the Remain coalition, would have its ratings in the toilet very quickly. But by then it would be too late.
Where on earth did the nonsense that 'Incidents of Islamophobia went up 375% after Boris wrote his article on the burqa' come from? Presumably it's being quoted all the time now because it is in some Labour or Momentum briefing note to activists, but it only requires about 0.5 seconds thought to realise that it must be utter garbage even if it's just a temporal rather than the completely absurd implied causal link. Boris is not exactly fastidious with the facts, but his critics on the left are just as bad.
As I asked earlier, it depends what number was used as the start point, and the time frame.
400% of 2, while too many is not a lot. 400% on 10,000 is a big issue.
Where on earth did the nonsense that 'Incidents of Islamophobia went up 375% after Boris wrote his article on the burqa' come from? Presumably it's being quoted all the time now because it is in some Labour or Momentum briefing note to activists, but it only requires about 0.5 seconds thought to realise that it must be utter garbage even if it's just a temporal rather than the completely absurd implied causal link. Boris is not exactly fastidious with the facts, but his critics on the left are just as bad.
I've been carrying an envelope with me ever since I read Boris's article so that I can try post it through every burqa I see. Hasn't everyone?
Where on earth did the nonsense that 'Incidents of Islamophobia went up 375% after Boris wrote his article on the burqa' come from? Presumably it's being quoted all the time now because it is in some Labour or Momentum briefing note to activists, but it only requires about 0.5 seconds thought to realise that it must be utter garbage even if it's just a temporal rather than the completely absurd implied causal link. Boris is not exactly fastidious with the facts, but his critics on the left are just as bad.
I've been carrying an envelope with me ever since I read Boris's article so that I can try post it through every burqa I see. Hasn't everyone?
Mine is self addressed. Posted it ages ago and it still hasn't got back to me.
She seems to be popular among the Lib Dem target voters, certainly in London. Only hard-case Tories say they do not like her - and that is only because they have received their instructions from CCHQ to express their negative feelings.
Btw, Boris's photo ops are stage-managed, so CCHQ disagrees with me. Boris is generally shown joining in with the workers, with a broom or mop, or indeed sheep. At hospitals he takes off his jacket and rolls up his sleeves as if he has just delivered a premature baby.
He never hangs around that long, surely ?
He has to - he needs the name for the superinjunction.
She seems to be popular among the Lib Dem target voters, certainly in London. Only hard-case Tories say they do not like her - and that is only because they have received their instructions from CCHQ to express their negative feelings.
No.its also her weird accent that everybody I speak to about her has also noticed
Just been reading that 3.2 million people have registered to vote since the election was called, About one third will be duplicates according to the Electoral Commission. Of the say 2 million new registrations it assumes two thirds are under 34. We can assume this will help Labour, and to a lesser extent the Lib Dems. Just wondering if when companies do polls they ask people if they are registered to vote. If they do and these are excluded, with such large numbers the polls may be underestimating Labour and maybe the Lib Dems. anyone know?
Just been reading that 3.2 million people have registered to vote since the election was called, About one third will be duplicates according to the Electoral Commission. Of the say 2 million new registrations it assumes two thirds are under 34. We can assume this will help Labour, and to a lesser extent the Lib Dems. Just wondering if when companies do polls they ask people if they are registered to vote. If they do and these are excluded, with such large numbers the polls may be underestimating Labour and maybe the Lib Dems. anyone know?
I don't think they are asked if they are registered voters, but I might be wrong.
Pulpstar, have you got the wobbles yet? I have! I just cashed out my majority spread at 49. Nice profit and may prove foolish but I've got a sinking feeling! You hanging on in there?
My bet is so small that yes I'm going to let it ride. If it had been a substantial stake then I'd probably cash it.
She seems to be popular among the Lib Dem target voters, certainly in London. Only hard-case Tories say they do not like her - and that is only because they have received their instructions from CCHQ to express their negative feelings.
No.its also her weird accent that everybody I speak to about her has also noticed
It’s no wonder nearly half all of Scots want independence with reactions like that.
By 44% to 27% the public say that the Chief Rabbi of the UK was right to speak out regarding his criticism of Labour’s record on dealing with anti-Semitism. 68% of Tory voters are of this opinion compared to only 26% of Labour voters https://t.co/bXeFtriFX9https://t.co/D5grX0u6yX
Casino Royal: all your thoughts are so objective, as well as being rude!!!!!!!!! After all some would happily use your words against yourself, just saying. Remember in this world what goes around comes around and if you do someone down it does come back to haunt you. .
She seems to be popular among the Lib Dem target voters, certainly in London. Only hard-case Tories say they do not like her - and that is only because they have received their instructions from CCHQ to express their negative feelings.
Unfair. Hard case Tories are naturally negative about almost everything - generally because it is different to how things were done in the past.
She seems to be popular among the Lib Dem target voters, certainly in London. Only hard-case Tories say they do not like her - and that is only because they have received their instructions from CCHQ to express their negative feelings.
Not this tosh again, did you miss the week and weeks of digs by well known Tory, BJO about Tory Swinson on here?
Have we stablished what is driving the movement in these polls? Is it firming up of don’t knows towards Labour?
Has there been any real 'movement'? Kantar, having previously produced an outlier towards the Tories, has reverted to mean; ICM, having given Labour better ratings than other pollsters, has perhaps produced an outlier in Labour's direction. There really isn't that much to go on so far. By the end of the week we will know more.
Well, of course it's difficult to tell what's an outlier and what isn't before we know the election result. :-)
I just think people need to acknowledge that there is less certainty about the outcome of this election than many are assuming.
No, you can tell what is an outlier by comparing it to other polls. What you can't tell is whether all the polls as a whole are systematically wrong.
Hmm. Well, I suppose it depends how you define an outlier. If you mean it just differs significantly from the other polls, I suppose you are right. On the other hand, when people talk about outliers I think there's an implicit assumption that sampling isn't biased. In that case, an outlier might be the result of bias. With your definition, an outlier might be the one accurate poll in a collection of otherwise biased ones!
On another note most people have been surprised by the levels of lib dem literature they have already received. There are words going around both Labour and Connservative central offices that the LDs are in serious breach of their spending limits. Centrally posted and distributed stuff now counts against an individual constituency when it turns up. What may happen?
By 44% to 27% the public say that the Chief Rabbi of the UK was right to speak out regarding his criticism of Labour’s record on dealing with anti-Semitism. 68% of Tory voters are of this opinion compared to only 26% of Labour voters https://t.co/bXeFtriFX9https://t.co/D5grX0u6yX
And the numbers for the statement from the Muslim Council of Britain?
She seems to be popular among the Lib Dem target voters, certainly in London. Only hard-case Tories say they do not like her - and that is only because they have received their instructions from CCHQ to express their negative feelings.
No.its also her weird accent that everybody I speak to about her has also noticed
It’s no wonder nearly half all of Scots want independence with reactions like that.
On another note most people have been surprised by the levels of lib dem literature they have already received. There are words going around both Labour and Connservative central offices that the LDs are in serious breach of their spending limits. Centrally posted and distributed stuff now counts against an individual constituency when it turns up. What may happen?
Electoral commission too busy investigating vote leave.
On another note most people have been surprised by the levels of lib dem literature they have already received. There are words going around both Labour and Connservative central offices that the LDs are in serious breach of their spending limits. Centrally posted and distributed stuff now counts against an individual constituency when it turns up. What may happen?
A lot of their leaflets were sent before the campaign limits kicked in - they were ahead of the game on that.
The consolation, if it is one, being that a weak Corbyn Gvt, propped up by the Remain coalition, would have its ratings in the toilet very quickly. But by then it would be too late.
I'll say it again
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A "WEAK CORBYN GOVT, PROPPED UP BY THE REMAIN COALITION". Or a Johnson government propped up by anyone.
Right now there are two serious possibilities:
- a Johnson overall majority
- Or some kind of alliance: a Labour-dominated government, headed by someone who isn't Corbyn, that survives with Lib Dem & SNP (& poss. Green, UUP and DUP) support, or a Tory-dominated government, getting occasional LD support on issues like a new referendum while the Tory members tear themselves to shreds trying to decide who'll take over from the fat sexpest.
Is anyone offering money on both Corbyn and Johnson giving notice of resignation on December 13?
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Young Sunil: "Got any Quorn?"
Young TSE: "If you want!" (He takes a bottle of Meat from the fridge).
Young Sunil: "MEAT? … Ugh!"
Young TSE: "It’s what Ian Rush drinks."
Young Sunil: "Ian Rush?"
Young TSE: "Yeah, an’ he says if I don’t drink lots of Meat, when I grow up I’m only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!"
Young Sunil: "Accrington Stanley? Who are they?"
Young TSE: "Exactly!"
You make a great point about towns, and students never coming back. I've seen Lisa Nandy working this issue as well - it should be a cross-party thing. Since your town is "Loyal and Ancient" and Wigan is "Ancient and Loyal" you already would have something in common..
My favourite Christmas dinner treat is chestnut stuffing. Home-made by mum. Sensational scenes.
And when my mother-in-law makes them, they are excellent!
Not because I think it will happen (i think the Tories will get at least 300 seats) but I’m backing the price move if mass hysteria breaks out.
Too late.
Some fantastic odds along the way here.
Smaller towns clearly are being squashed between the internet and "destination" shopping. The run down centres are not being helped by a decade of local council cuts. It is hard to see how Brexit induced further stress is going to help.
I hate sprouts. Only time I've ever enjoyed them is a dish my mother in law made one year. A mix of diced up sprouts and bacon roasted together.
"That would be a Getting Brexit Done matter"
If you're having to buy them from a shop, then it's too late. You have to grow your own.
I just cashed out my majority spread at 49. Nice profit and may prove foolish but I've got a sinking feeling!
You hanging on in there?
“She drove the ghost of a sprout deep into the dog-rotten upholstery”
Bravo.
I would say though you can get nice Brussels from shops, markets, farm shops etc when they're on the stems (haven't seen any of those so far this year mind)
I just think people need to acknowledge that there is less certainty about the outcome of this election than many are assuming.
Three donkeys (the usual ones) have put up Labour boards on the main road leading into my town.
I’ve seen just one Tory poster in my village.
Corbyn doesn’t have the crowds and fresh passion behind him of GE2017 but that might not matter as the visceral ‘stop the Tories’ sentiment is an extremely powerful one.
Boris should get about 320 seats on those numbers, but I’m not 100% sure.
Maybe cream fraiche too.
Somewhere in a safeish Labour seat a new young MP is about to be elected who will lead them to two terms of government in a decade or so's time.
Any suggestions?
Edit: missed the 'safish'. Cancel that
I think where the Corbynistas are right, is that Corbyn's the reason that polls were out/narrowed so much last time. A little of that was due to it not being possible to be as bad as he's portrayed - but a larger chunk is people not being keen to vote for him, but who will ultimately vote anti-Tory.
It doesn’t work that way.
A bit like how Europe pontificate for ages whenever they suffer a rejection of their latest integration initiative, before deciding the answer is “more Europe”, Labour voters have thought long and hard about how utterly ghastly Jeremy Corbyn is and voting for someone else before deciding in the final two weeks..
“Nah, I still hate the Tories more.”
Boris is not exactly fastidious with the facts, but his critics on the left are just as bad.
400% of 2, while too many is not a lot. 400% on 10,000 is a big issue.
Ah, that’s the one!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/06/burqa-bashing-mohammed-ahmed-mohamed-image
After all some would happily use your words against yourself, just saying. Remember in this world what goes around comes around and if you do someone down it does come back to haunt you. .
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/1199304826468876288
What may happen?
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A "WEAK CORBYN GOVT, PROPPED UP BY THE REMAIN COALITION". Or a Johnson government propped up by anyone.
Right now there are two serious possibilities:
- a Johnson overall majority
- Or some kind of alliance: a Labour-dominated government, headed by someone who isn't Corbyn, that survives with Lib Dem & SNP (& poss. Green, UUP and DUP) support, or a Tory-dominated government, getting occasional LD support on issues like a new referendum while the Tory members tear themselves to shreds trying to decide who'll take over from the fat sexpest.
Is anyone offering money on both Corbyn and Johnson giving notice of resignation on December 13?