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No but there are many varieties of racism around. Corbyn has spent all his life fighting against it. Unlike Johnson.Gabs3 said:
Yes, Jeremy Corbyn and his defenders who don't care about racism as long as it is card carrying socialists doing it.maaarsh said:
Yes, something does stink here.CorrectHorseBattery said:It gets to the point though where we know full well what people actually want to happen - and that's Corbyn standing down.
Nothing he does will ever be good enough, the media have spent the last three years using racism as a means to score cheap political points and we know this because every time an Islamophobia issue appears it gets ignored. Boris Johnson is allowed to ignore the issue and put off an investigation and lie about it - yet Corbyn takes action and apologises and is villified.
We get some random Twitter user claiming there are "130" cases outstanding, despite not being on the NEC and not having the ability to get what is confidential information that he wouldn't have.
And yet Boris Johnson says he's afraid of a group of black people and gets away with it, again.
If you hate racism like I do, you'll know full well something stinks here.
The 'Jewish Community' would do far better to put a sock in it. They're going to get the rest pretty peed off if they keep up this hysteria.0 -
Woah, they're going to sacrifice Corbyn??? Excellent! I'll get the sharp quartz knife and the onyx altar. Now, where did I put the Book of the Rite of Sutekh?...CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1199086377390034944
The Tories are clearly terrified it is going wrong
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... unless they offered free broadband, obviously. Then all bets are off.CorrectHorseBattery said:The result of stories like this is an elderly person gets attacked in the street for supporting Labour.
Jeremy Corbyn gets attacked.
Dianne Abbott gets attacked.
That is what happens with these stories. That is where this goes.
I have been an anti-racist all my (short) life, I would not support a party that was racist. I just wouldn't do it.0 -
Voters is Finchley & Golders Green... that'll be me then. Labour aren't even trying in a seat they need a 1.5% swing in. Tells you all you need to know really.Peter_the_Punter said:
Voters in Finchley and Golders Green will have the opportunity to express their solidarity with Luciana Berger shortly by electing her as their MP.Gabs3 said:
The point Luciana Berger was chased out the party was the point when Labour moderates should have taken a stand. Instead they put their careers first rather than having any solidarity with British Jews. Many used Tom Watson's plea to stay as cover for taking action. Now even he has thrown in the towel while they continue to hide from view.humbugger said:
One lives in hope.ydoethur said:
Labour moderates have consciences?humbugger said:
I'm amazed that's not happened already. I can't see how Labour moderates can in all conscience support Labour's manifesto.IanB2 said:
My bet is a leading Labour figure/candidate disowning Corby.TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope they take it.0 -
It becomes rather less scary to you when its non-Western CO2 emissions.Foxy said:
The decline in coal burning, even in China, was a positive.another_richard said:
So can we expect Greta and the XRs to be protesting at Chinese embassies ?Foxy said:
First story on the BBC is the climate crisis, and accelerating CO2 emissions. Scary stuff.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The chief rabbi condemning CorbynKentRising said:
What is?Big_G_NorthWales said:First story on Sky news tonight
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Noam Chomsky doesn't think it's Antisemitic to deny the Holocaust.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.0 -
Personally (as someone who recently discovered he was Jewish) I'd really rather the Chief Rabbi didn't take sides, in the same way as I don't want the Muslim Council of Britain to state that voting Tory is anti-Muslim. It's more likely to stir divisions than heal them. We should all make up our own minds without religious leaders purporting to speak for us.Big_G_NorthWales said:Laura Kunnesberg
Labour's handling of anti-Semitism crisis comes blasting back into the campaign - chief Rabbi demands 'every person vote with their conscience' and suggests Corbyn not fit for office
Unprecedented for the leader of a major religious group in UK to make this kind of statement in a General Election campaign - and to feel the need to do so - Labour says they have worked extremely hard to combat the problem and Corbyn has fought racism all his life
If the media pick up this story and run with it tomorrow it could have some legs
As for Matt Chorley gleefully trying to sell Times subscriptions from the article...yuck.
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I presume you think it's fair game to ask any Labour-supporting Muslim whether they support Hamas and Hezbollah, then?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
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Why should the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
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Boris said at the manifesto launch there will be an enquiry and as for the tory candidate I have no knowledge of it but condemn it 100% if trueCorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes we can. But why do you conveniently ignore that Boris Johnson lied when he said he'd do an investigation into Islamophobia?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let us wait for the EHRC report shall weCorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.
Heard nothing from you when a Tory candidate was suspended for anti-Semitism, why not?0 -
I have a facebook friend who is a vicar. His Facebook feed is full of him telling people to vote Labour; indeed that it would be unChristian not to.Time_to_Leave said:
I think there is a difference. We have all, collectively, as a nation allowed a situation in which the ruling clique of a major political party actually scares people. Yuck.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Religion and politics shouldn't mix. I don't think religious leaders should be telling people who to vote for, whatever the reason.Time_to_Leave said:I think we’ve all got so used to Corbyn that we’ve forgotten how unusual it is for a senior religious figure to wade in to an election. It embarrassing for the country that a faith group should feel like this.
To be fair, his political posts are generally rather more nuanced than most of the bile that gets posted on facebook. But still, if this is what happens in the CofE it makes you wonder how some of our more, er, traditional religions deal with politics.0 -
Yep, they should just suck it up. The great helmsman has a plan for them.Mysticrose said:
No but there are many varieties of racism around. Corbyn has spent all his life fighting against it. Unlike Johnson.Gabs3 said:
Yes, Jeremy Corbyn and his defenders who don't care about racism as long as it is card carrying socialists doing it.maaarsh said:
Yes, something does stink here.CorrectHorseBattery said:It gets to the point though where we know full well what people actually want to happen - and that's Corbyn standing down.
Nothing he does will ever be good enough, the media have spent the last three years using racism as a means to score cheap political points and we know this because every time an Islamophobia issue appears it gets ignored. Boris Johnson is allowed to ignore the issue and put off an investigation and lie about it - yet Corbyn takes action and apologises and is villified.
We get some random Twitter user claiming there are "130" cases outstanding, despite not being on the NEC and not having the ability to get what is confidential information that he wouldn't have.
And yet Boris Johnson says he's afraid of a group of black people and gets away with it, again.
If you hate racism like I do, you'll know full well something stinks here.
The 'Jewish Community' would do far better to put a sock in it. They're going to get the rest pretty peed off if they keep up this hysteria.1 -
Ah the self hating Jew trope is here is it? Wrong kind of Jew?theoldpolitics said:
Noam Chomsky doesn't think it's Antisemitic to deny the Holocaust.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.
And he obviously didn't say that, what utter rubbish0 -
I don't think religious cults should receive any taxpayer funding or be allowed to run schools and social care.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Religion and politics shouldn't mix. I don't think religious leaders should be telling people who to vote for, whatever the reason.Time_to_Leave said:I think we’ve all got so used to Corbyn that we’ve forgotten how unusual it is for a senior religious figure to wade in to an election. It embarrassing for the country that a faith group should feel like this.
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A good post. The fundamentals haven't changed, the vox pops and anti Corbyn mood is still there, his leadership figures are still well behind and todays Welsh poll was exactly in line with the weekend polling average. It still looks like a 40 majority or thereabouts with the possibility of landslide or hung pt if the last fortnight is devastating one way or the other.numbertwelve said:I’d forgotten quite how bad the overreactions were on here.
Reading PB tonight you’d be forgiven for thinking Corbyn was home and hosed with a majority government. When the actual fact of that matter is there has been one mildly encouraging poll for labour that would probably result in a small Tory majority if repeated on GE day.
Only a couple of days ago there was a poll with a 19% Tory lead. Let it sink in how quickly one poll has changed the mood here. Don’t get me wrong, I think the 19% lead was a wacky outlier but you must look at the overall picture.
Let’s see what the next few polls say. If there is a move to Labour registering in other polls then the Tories should be concerned but not terrified. At the moment it is the difference between a small majority and a firm majority.
I still don’t think Labour have done enough to swing enough people behind them to really challenge for government. But let’s wait and see.0 -
Quite. Until the last few years I though we’d seen the back of this sort of anti Semitic trope before I was born.HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
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He said there would be an inquiry at some point, into all kinds of discrimination, not specifically on Islamophobia as he promised. He watered it down because he knows it would be bad for him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris said at the manifesto launch there will be an enquiry and as for the tory candidate I have no knowledge of it but condemn it 100% if trueCorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes we can. But why do you conveniently ignore that Boris Johnson lied when he said he'd do an investigation into Islamophobia?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let us wait for the EHRC report shall weCorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.
Heard nothing from you when a Tory candidate was suspended for anti-Semitism, why not?
He's a liar - and he lied again.
If this had been Corbyn you'd be here shouting. Just don't pretend you genuinally care about this issue.0 -
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
They should belt up. If they want to talk about anti-semitism, do it in the context of talking about the whole of racism.0 -
Two coats!IshmaelZ said:
Corbyn was a better dancer than Johnson, he told funnier jokes than Johnson, he could paint a whole apartment in one afternoon...CorrectHorseBattery said:It gets to the point though where we know full well what people actually want to happen - and that's Corbyn standing down.
Nothing he does will ever be good enough, the media have spent the last three years using racism as a means to score cheap political points and we know this because every time an Islamophobia issue appears it gets ignored. Boris Johnson is allowed to ignore the issue and put off an investigation and lie about it - yet Corbyn takes action and apologises and is villified.
We get some random Twitter user claiming there are "130" cases outstanding, despite not being on the NEC and not having the ability to get what is confidential information that he wouldn't have.
And yet Boris Johnson says he's afraid of a group of black people and gets away with it, again.
If you hate racism like I do, you'll know full well something stinks here.1 -
I'm hoping you are a parody.Mysticrose said:
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
They should belt up. If they want to talk about anti-semitism, talk about the whole of racism.0 -
Can the moderators get rid of some of these hateful posts?Mysticrose said:
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
They should belt up. If they want to talk about anti-semitism, talk about the whole of racism.0 -
She wore a short skirt. She was asking for it.Mysticrose said:
No but there are many varieties of racism around. Corbyn has spent all his life fighting against it. Unlike Johnson.Gabs3 said:
Yes, Jeremy Corbyn and his defenders who don't care about racism as long as it is card carrying socialists doing it.maaarsh said:
Yes, something does stink here.CorrectHorseBattery said:It gets to the point though where we know full well what people actually want to happen - and that's Corbyn standing down.
Nothing he does will ever be good enough, the media have spent the last three years using racism as a means to score cheap political points and we know this because every time an Islamophobia issue appears it gets ignored. Boris Johnson is allowed to ignore the issue and put off an investigation and lie about it - yet Corbyn takes action and apologises and is villified.
We get some random Twitter user claiming there are "130" cases outstanding, despite not being on the NEC and not having the ability to get what is confidential information that he wouldn't have.
And yet Boris Johnson says he's afraid of a group of black people and gets away with it, again.
If you hate racism like I do, you'll know full well something stinks here.
The 'Jewish Community' would do far better to put a sock in it. They're going to get the rest pretty peed off if they keep up this hysteria.2 -
When you start taking Noam Chomsky seriously, then you have bigger problems.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.3 -
The Times thing is the chief rabbis interview0
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LOL!HYUFD said:Even I wouldn't go that far, surely a resignation would do, he does not need to be sacrificed
Still, I see that Corbyn's OK after all. He intends to make the UK public finances like Germany. Phew, that means we'll be running budget surpluses, with a legal limit of 0.35% deficit. On income tax we'll have the equivalent of a €14K personal allowance for individuals and marriage recognised in the tax system with a €28K personal allowance for married couples - even the Tories don't dare do that, but Corbyn's on the case, a true Conservative.
Of course workers might be a little miffed at Corbyn's plan to emulate Germany in terms of paying for pension insurance (9.3%) unemployment insurance (1.5%), social care insurance (up to 1.7%) and healthcare (7.3%), but they'll be pleased that employers are also forking out similar amounts.
No such thing as a free lunch, eh?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/labour-will-bring-uk-into-line-with-france-and-germany-says-corbyn1 -
Noam Chomsky is one of the world's foremost linguists, he's literally one of the smartest people on the planet.rcs1000 said:
When you start taking Noam Chomsky seriously, then you have bigger problems.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.0 -
No, leave them up so we can all see the poison that infects Labour.Time_to_Leave said:
Can the moderators get rid of some of these hateful posts?Mysticrose said:
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
They should belt up. If they want to talk about anti-semitism, talk about the whole of racism.0 -
Sutekh is Supreme.viewcode said:
Woah, they're going to sacrifice Corbyn??? Excellent! I'll get the sharp quartz knife and the onyx altar. Now, where did I put the Book of the Rite of Sutekh?...CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1199086377390034944
The Tories are clearly terrified it is going wrong0 -
He is a cunning linguistCorrectHorseBattery said:
Noam Chomsky is one of the world's foremost linguists, he's literally one of the smartest people on the planet.rcs1000 said:
When you start taking Noam Chomsky seriously, then you have bigger problems.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.0 -
He’s the guy that argues/has established (not sure which) that humans are hard wired for language in the same way that birds are hard wired to migrate, and it isn’t something just learned from scratch?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Noam Chomsky is one of the world's foremost linguists, he's literally one of the smartest people on the planet.rcs1000 said:
When you start taking Noam Chomsky seriously, then you have bigger problems.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.0 -
No , but both parties have problems, the media seem to concentrate on Labour which is what pisses off many supporters .Gabs3 said:
Yes, Jeremy Corbyn and his defenders who don't care about racism as long as it is card carrying socialists doing it.maaarsh said:
Yes, something does stink here.CorrectHorseBattery said:It gets to the point though where we know full well what people actually want to happen - and that's Corbyn standing down.
Nothing he does will ever be good enough, the media have spent the last three years using racism as a means to score cheap political points and we know this because every time an Islamophobia issue appears it gets ignored. Boris Johnson is allowed to ignore the issue and put off an investigation and lie about it - yet Corbyn takes action and apologises and is villified.
We get some random Twitter user claiming there are "130" cases outstanding, despite not being on the NEC and not having the ability to get what is confidential information that he wouldn't have.
And yet Boris Johnson says he's afraid of a group of black people and gets away with it, again.
If you hate racism like I do, you'll know full well something stinks here.
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No. It's not 'hateful.' It's serious. Anti-semitism is really ugly but all this whingeing about it is doing is to turn the rest of voters off, and even against, the issue.Time_to_Leave said:
Can the moderators get rid of some of these hateful posts?Mysticrose said:
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
They should belt up. If they want to talk about anti-semitism, talk about the whole of racism.
Persecution complex is a very, very, bad move by any community and they of all should know that. They're not 'special' cases any more than Muslims are or Romanians. So if they have an issue, which almost certainly is the case, they should set it in the context of racism throughout the country - of which there are tragically copious examples.0 -
When you say this sort of stuff in your head, does it sound OK?Mysticrose said:
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
They should belt up. If they want to talk about anti-semitism, do it in the context of talking about the whole of racism.
Because it is completely unacceptable bigotry in normal society.
Take off the tin foil hat, and have a seat.1 -
His work on linguistics has in fact largely been overtaken by anthropological evidence. Even if he were an excellent linguist however, that would no more qualify him to excuse Antisemitism, than Gilad Atzmon being a good saxophonist or Roderick Spode being a dab hand at designing ladies' undergarments.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Noam Chomsky is one of the world's foremost linguists, he's literally one of the smartest people on the planet.rcs1000 said:
When you start taking Noam Chomsky seriously, then you have bigger problems.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.0 -
I doubt you’ll find many French who agree with you.... Go and read about his “colourful” views.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Noam Chomsky is one of the world's foremost linguists, he's literally one of the smartest people on the planet.rcs1000 said:
When you start taking Noam Chomsky seriously, then you have bigger problems.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.0 -
Grow up.CorrectHorseBattery said:
He said there would be an inquiry at some point, into all kinds of discrimination, not specifically on Islamophobia as he promised. He watered it down because he knows it would be bad for him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris said at the manifesto launch there will be an enquiry and as for the tory candidate I have no knowledge of it but condemn it 100% if trueCorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes we can. But why do you conveniently ignore that Boris Johnson lied when he said he'd do an investigation into Islamophobia?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let us wait for the EHRC report shall weCorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.
Heard nothing from you when a Tory candidate was suspended for anti-Semitism, why not?
He's a liar - and he lied again.
If this had been Corbyn you'd be here shouting. Just don't pretend you genuinally care about this issue.
I care believe you me I care. The impressions I had as a child from the death camps are seared into my memory. How dare you suggest I do not care
For me the matter will be resolved one way or another by the EHRC0 -
You can guarantee that when a political editor goes on twitter to say 'subscribe to my paper for the mega scoop we have coming up tonight', it's going to be a damp squib or old news or both.NickPalmer said:
Personally (as someone who recently discovered he was Jewish) I'd really rather the Chief Rabbi didn't take sides, in the same way as I don't want the Muslim Council of Britain to state that voting Tory is anti-Muslim. It's more likely to stir divisions than heal them. We should all make up our own minds without religious leaders purporting to speak for us.Big_G_NorthWales said:Laura Kunnesberg
Labour's handling of anti-Semitism crisis comes blasting back into the campaign - chief Rabbi demands 'every person vote with their conscience' and suggests Corbyn not fit for office
Unprecedented for the leader of a major religious group in UK to make this kind of statement in a General Election campaign - and to feel the need to do so - Labour says they have worked extremely hard to combat the problem and Corbyn has fought racism all his life
If the media pick up this story and run with it tomorrow it could have some legs
As for Matt Chorley gleefully trying to sell Times subscriptions from the article...yuck.1 -
You should write to some MPs about it. Maybe warn them they are like jews in the ReichstagCorrectHorseBattery said:
He said there would be an inquiry at some point, into all kinds of discrimination, not specifically on Islamophobia as he promised. He watered it down because he knows it would be bad for him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris said at the manifesto launch there will be an enquiry and as for the tory candidate I have no knowledge of it but condemn it 100% if trueCorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes we can. But why do you conveniently ignore that Boris Johnson lied when he said he'd do an investigation into Islamophobia?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let us wait for the EHRC report shall weCorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.
Heard nothing from you when a Tory candidate was suspended for anti-Semitism, why not?
He's a liar - and he lied again.
If this had been Corbyn you'd be here shouting. Just don't pretend you genuinally care about this issue.0 -
Thank you so much for pointing out the sickness that infects LabourMysticrose said:
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
They should belt up. If they want to talk about anti-semitism, do it in the context of talking about the whole of racism.0 -
Parody of a human being with an actual soulHaroldO said:
I'm hoping you are a parody.Mysticrose said:
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
They should belt up. If they want to talk about anti-semitism, talk about the whole of racism.0 -
My point is that he's a Jew - and a very smart guy too. But because he doesn't agree with the narrative, he gets ignored.theoldpolitics said:
His work on linguistics has in fact largely been overtaken by anthropological evidence. Even if he were an excellent linguist however, that would no more qualify him to excuse Antisemitism, than Gilad Atzmon being a good saxophonist or Roderick Spode being a dab hand at designing ladies' undergarments.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Noam Chomsky is one of the world's foremost linguists, he's literally one of the smartest people on the planet.rcs1000 said:
When you start taking Noam Chomsky seriously, then you have bigger problems.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.
John Bercow doesn't agree with the narrative and gets ignored.
I don't deny Labour has issues with anti-Semitism. I do deny Corbyn is anti-Semitic and if he was, something conclusive would have come out by now and yet nothing.
I do think the media uses it as a weapon to attack Labour with - which is shown because they ignore racism in other parties.0 -
Just read the responses under the mail article on twitter. It's a fucking cancer infesting the left0
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Chorley demonstrated the Westminster bubble right there. With all respect to the rabbi, and not to belittle his article or its sentiments at all, but will it change anyone's vote in the world beyond, other than potentially of those in the Jewish community? Ultimately people are selfish and vote first and foremost for who they think will make life better for them themselves. Grim, but true.NickPalmer said:
Personally (as someone who recently discovered he was Jewish) I'd really rather the Chief Rabbi didn't take sides, in the same way as I don't want the Muslim Council of Britain to state that voting Tory is anti-Muslim. It's more likely to stir divisions than heal them. We should all make up our own minds without religious leaders purporting to speak for us.Big_G_NorthWales said:Laura Kunnesberg
Labour's handling of anti-Semitism crisis comes blasting back into the campaign - chief Rabbi demands 'every person vote with their conscience' and suggests Corbyn not fit for office
Unprecedented for the leader of a major religious group in UK to make this kind of statement in a General Election campaign - and to feel the need to do so - Labour says they have worked extremely hard to combat the problem and Corbyn has fought racism all his life
If the media pick up this story and run with it tomorrow it could have some legs
As for Matt Chorley gleefully trying to sell Times subscriptions from the article...yuck.
The antisemitism narrative swirling around Labour is now priced in. Anyone who was already intending to vote Labour isn't going to think again due to this piece.0 -
Using "asajew" status to defend Holocaust Deniers is, in my view, not a good thing. You are welcome to take a different approach.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Ah the self hating Jew trope is here is it? Wrong kind of Jew?theoldpolitics said:
Noam Chomsky doesn't think it's Antisemitic to deny the Holocaust.CorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.
And he obviously didn't say that, what utter rubbish
Chomsky: " I was asked whether the fact that a person denies the existence of gas chambers does not prove that he is an anti-Semite. I wrote back what every sane person knows: no, of course it does not".0 -
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108205/labour-accused-‘undermining’-anti-semitism-probe
Great timing lads. Nothing like keeping a story rolling.0 -
You cant trust a word that comes out of that posters mouth - he got well and truly found out over the weekendBluerBlue said:
... unless they offered free broadband, obviously. Then all bets are off.CorrectHorseBattery said:The result of stories like this is an elderly person gets attacked in the street for supporting Labour.
Jeremy Corbyn gets attacked.
Dianne Abbott gets attacked.
That is what happens with these stories. That is where this goes.
I have been an anti-racist all my (short) life, I would not support a party that was racist. I just wouldn't do it.0 -
The left isn't known for its affiliation with the Daily Mailwooliedyed said:Just read the responses under the mail article on twitter. It's a fucking cancer infesting the left
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p.s. I bet I'm one of the few non-Jewish people on here who has lived with a Jewish family, celebrated the festivals, worshipped in Synagogues, prayed at the Western Wall ...
It's an incredibly fine line. Yes, the history of the people is one of appalling suffering. Yes, Labour has a systemic problem, although I'm genuinely not sure if this is attributable to Corbyn himself.
But the real problem is that if you use hyperbole to the point where you are making your community into a 'special case' or a 'special people' then you are playing straight into the racists' hands. We are apparently all nowadays banned from mentioning what happened, thanks to Godwin and his unthinking acolytes, but singling out any people as special is precisely the start of the trouble. And Jewish people need to be extremely careful on this score.
There is racism across the board in the UK, some of it undoubtedly due to Brexit. Jewish thinkers and speakers would do well to set their complaints in that context.0 -
Urgh.
Don't care about the greyed text but I cannot cope with the non-collapsing quotes.
Enough!
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Nothing to see though, those jews just need to suck it up according to some posters here tonightdr_spyn said:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108205/labour-accused-‘undermining’-anti-semitism-probe
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Indeed. And not raising the heat in an election campaign.Big_G_NorthWales said:CorrectHorseBattery said:
He said there would be an inquiry at some point, into all kinds of discrimination, not specifically on Islamophobia as he promised. He watered it down because he knows it would be bad for him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris said at the manifesto launch there will be an enquiry and as for the tory candidate I have no knowledge of it but condemn it 100% if trueCorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes we can. But why do you conveniently ignore that Boris Johnson lied when he said he'd do an investigation into Islamophobia?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let us wait for the EHRC report shall weCorrectHorseBattery said:John Bercow, a Jewish man, doesn't think Corbyn is Jewish. Ignored.
People in the Islamic community say Boris Johnson has an Islamophobia problem. Ignored.
Noam Chomsky, Jewish, doesn't think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Ignored.
Heard nothing from you when a Tory candidate was suspended for anti-Semitism, why not?
He's a liar - and he lied again.
If this had been Corbyn you'd be here shouting. Just don't pretend you genuinally care about this issue.
For me the matter will be resolved one way or another by the EHRC
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as a Finchley & Golders Green resident I can tell you the 'Jewish Community' will never put a sock in it and anybody that asks them to is anti-semiticMysticrose said:
No but there are many varieties of racism around. Corbyn has spent all his life fighting against it. Unlike Johnson.Gabs3 said:
Yes, Jeremy Corbyn and his defenders who don't care about racism as long as it is card carrying socialists doing it.maaarsh said:
Yes, something does stink here.CorrectHorseBattery said:It gets to the point though where we know full well what people actually want to happen - and that's Corbyn standing down.
Nothing he does will ever be good enough, the media have spent the last three years using racism as a means to score cheap political points and we know this because every time an Islamophobia issue appears it gets ignored. Boris Johnson is allowed to ignore the issue and put off an investigation and lie about it - yet Corbyn takes action and apologises and is villified.
We get some random Twitter user claiming there are "130" cases outstanding, despite not being on the NEC and not having the ability to get what is confidential information that he wouldn't have.
And yet Boris Johnson says he's afraid of a group of black people and gets away with it, again.
If you hate racism like I do, you'll know full well something stinks here.
The 'Jewish Community' would do far better to put a sock in it. They're going to get the rest pretty peed off if they keep up this hysteria.3 -
Or with decent human behaviourCorrectHorseBattery said:
The left isn't known for its affiliation with the Daily Mailwooliedyed said:Just read the responses under the mail article on twitter. It's a fucking cancer infesting the left
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Lets say there is a percentage of virulent anti-semites within the Labour party, people who wish for Jews to be persecuted. Where have they been hiding for so long?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I abhore anti semitism having seen the horrific aftermath of the liberation of the death camps as a young child and do not connect it at all with this campaignMightyAlex said:
IMO 98% of PB'ers and conservative activists do not give a shit about actual anti semitism just as long as the medias total internal reflection of every story distracts from Boris latest witticisms.Big_G_NorthWales said:First story on Sky news tonight
Labour should be ashamed of the fear they have engendered in the Jewish community but no doubt 2020 will see the ECHC report from which there will be no hiding
-Why would this group chose to be part of a party that has actively supported minorities within the UK? Ed Milliband was party leader for 4 years!
-Why has this so quickly become a problem under Corbyn? a man who has hardly been silent on his opinion of racism.
-Where are these high ranking anti-semites that the party is so full of according to the red-tops? So far its a percentage of non entities that within a membership of 500 000+ is below that expected in the general population.
I genuinely cannot see why people believe that under a minority labour government the persecution of Jews would become a reality. If you answer anything please let it be this:
What branch of the labour party does this antisemitism come from and what policies can you see it advocating for?0 -
Could you give us some details as to how many Palestinians were 'massacred' and how much of Gaza was 'razed to the ground' ?CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Are you Jewish Floater?Floater said:
So even if he did that makes all the anti semitism ok does it Roger?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
Here he goes with the "agenda" stuff again-1 -
Ah yes reform the defective organisation that found us guilty of racism. Throw doubt on the outcome by insinuation.dr_spyn said:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108205/labour-accused-‘undermining’-anti-semitism-probe
Great timing lads. Nothing like keeping a story rolling.0 -
Yes. Or talk about Islamophobia, racism in football, racism against eastern Europeans, transphobia, homophobia, hate crimes of all kinds ...Floater said:
Nothing to see though, those jews just need to suck it up according to some posters here tonightdr_spyn said:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108205/labour-accused-‘undermining’-anti-semitism-probe
Great timing lads. Nothing like keeping a story rolling.
They're not 'special.' Ist lesson I learned in Israel, from Jewish Israelis.
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Getting nasty on here so think I'll check out.
Telling Jews to "put a sock in it" when they are genuinely in fear that they won't be safe in this country in just over two weeks time is not a great look though.
Goodnight PB.
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Neither is Boris Johnson, a man who supported austerity which has killed peoplewooliedyed said:
Or with decent human behaviourCorrectHorseBattery said:
The left isn't known for its affiliation with the Daily Mailwooliedyed said:Just read the responses under the mail article on twitter. It's a fucking cancer infesting the left
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Funny that that was just posted, on Gaza - I just asked my wife, who is jewish, and she said that Mirvis was notorious among both moderate and secular jews as one of the most ultra-conservative chief rabbis ever - "the jewish equivalent of that guy from Hizb-Ut-Tahrir" (her words not mine) .
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As I have said several times this matter will be reported by the EHRC in the new year and I await their reportMightyAlex said:
Lets say there is a percentage of virulent anti-semites within the Labour party, people who wish for Jews to be persecuted. Where have they been hiding for so long?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I abhore anti semitism having seen the horrific aftermath of the liberation of the death camps as a young child and do not connect it at all with this campaignMightyAlex said:
IMO 98% of PB'ers and conservative activists do not give a shit about actual anti semitism just as long as the medias total internal reflection of every story distracts from Boris latest witticisms.Big_G_NorthWales said:First story on Sky news tonight
Labour should be ashamed of the fear they have engendered in the Jewish community but no doubt 2020 will see the ECHC report from which there will be no hiding
-Why would this group chose to be part of a party that has actively supported minorities within the UK? Ed Milliband was party leader for 4 years!
-Why has this so quickly become a problem under Corbyn? a man who has hardly been silent on his opinion of racism.
-Where are these high ranking anti-semites that the party is so full of according to the red-tops? So far its a percentage of non entities that within a membership of 500 000+ is below that expected in the general population.
I genuinely cannot see why people believe that under a minority labour government the persecution of Jews would become a reality. If you answer anything please let it be this:
What branch of the labour party does this antisemitism come from and what policies can you see it advocating for?0 -
Re. the sock in it comment, this ^^^^ is the point. Don't single yourselves out as subject to particular persecution. All that does is feed the very thing you are intending to fight.Mysticrose said:
Yes. Or talk about Islamophobia, racism in football, racism against eastern Europeans, transphobia, homophobia, hate crimes of all kinds ...Floater said:
Nothing to see though, those jews just need to suck it up according to some posters here tonightdr_spyn said:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108205/labour-accused-‘undermining’-anti-semitism-probe
Great timing lads. Nothing like keeping a story rolling.
They're not 'special.' Ist lesson I learned in Israel, from Jewish Israelis.
There are hate crimes and phobias across the board. It would be very, very, wise of community leaders to speak about others who also suffer similarly ...0 -
So will most of us - but we know full well if it ends up being good for Corbyn there will simply be another line of attack to go towards. It's been the same since day 1Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I have said several times this matter will be reported by the EHRC in the new year and I await their reportMightyAlex said:
Lets say there is a percentage of virulent anti-semites within the Labour party, people who wish for Jews to be persecuted. Where have they been hiding for so long?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I abhore anti semitism having seen the horrific aftermath of the liberation of the death camps as a young child and do not connect it at all with this campaignMightyAlex said:
IMO 98% of PB'ers and conservative activists do not give a shit about actual anti semitism just as long as the medias total internal reflection of every story distracts from Boris latest witticisms.Big_G_NorthWales said:First story on Sky news tonight
Labour should be ashamed of the fear they have engendered in the Jewish community but no doubt 2020 will see the ECHC report from which there will be no hiding
-Why would this group chose to be part of a party that has actively supported minorities within the UK? Ed Milliband was party leader for 4 years!
-Why has this so quickly become a problem under Corbyn? a man who has hardly been silent on his opinion of racism.
-Where are these high ranking anti-semites that the party is so full of according to the red-tops? So far its a percentage of non entities that within a membership of 500 000+ is below that expected in the general population.
I genuinely cannot see why people believe that under a minority labour government the persecution of Jews would become a reality. If you answer anything please let it be this:
What branch of the labour party does this antisemitism come from and what policies can you see it advocating for?0 -
I think he's wrong too. The effect of religions aligning with or against a party is to narrow the scope of the religion, which should be open to people of any political persuasion. Your friend should argue his case as a private individual, not as a Christian.Cookie said:
I have a facebook friend who is a vicar. His Facebook feed is full of him telling people to vote Labour; indeed that it would be unChristian not to.
To be fair, his political posts are generally rather more nuanced than most of the bile that gets posted on facebook. But still, if this is what happens in the CofE it makes you wonder how some of our more, er, traditional religions deal with politics.0 -
How does Corbyn respond to the following line of questioning from eg. Andrew Neil on Waspi?
1) Has a woman born in 1960 suffered a monstrous injustice from the change? (Yes/no - yes equal another x billion in Monopoly money - pattern repeat for 1961 etc
2) do you accept that the Government had the right to implement such a change? (Or will you reverse it at the cost of ...?)
3) Do you believe govt in 1995 acted reasonably in length of notice it gave before change? If no what would have been “reasonable”, and not evidence of injustice?
(And bear in mind that if he tries to switch argument to 2011 then 58billion pledge is no longer relevant and promise to right historic injustice is watered down considerably)0 -
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Anything but talk about the sickness infecting Labour thenMysticrose said:
Yes. Or talk about Islamophobia, racism in football, racism against eastern Europeans, transphobia, homophobia, hate crimes of all kinds ...Floater said:
Nothing to see though, those jews just need to suck it up according to some posters here tonightdr_spyn said:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108205/labour-accused-‘undermining’-anti-semitism-probe
Great timing lads. Nothing like keeping a story rolling.
They're not 'special.' Ist lesson I learned in Israel, from Jewish Israelis.0 -
It's very convenient timing that Corbyn has a big interview with Neil tomorrow and this is being released tonight. You'd have thought the day before the election would be a good time to put this out - as by then this will have been forgotten about.
Very convenient indeed.0 -
What would you accept as conclusive if you haven't been convinced by the mural, Hamas, Hezbollah, Raed Salah, Press TV, the wreath, the book, the allies, the irony speech, the platform sharing, the bomber campaigns, Paul Eisen, Palestine Live, Stephen Sizer, or Neturei Karta?CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't deny Labour has issues with anti-Semitism. I do deny Corbyn is anti-Semitic and if he was, something conclusive would have come out by now and yet nothing.
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Some of your best friends are Jewish hey?Mysticrose said:
Yes. Or talk about Islamophobia, racism in football, racism against eastern Europeans, transphobia, homophobia, hate crimes of all kinds ...Floater said:
Nothing to see though, those jews just need to suck it up according to some posters here tonightdr_spyn said:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108205/labour-accused-‘undermining’-anti-semitism-probe
Great timing lads. Nothing like keeping a story rolling.
They're not 'special.' Ist lesson I learned in Israel, from Jewish Israelis.0 -
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Are people still saying there's a Labour surge based on one poll from ICM?
The ten latest Labour shares are: 34, 30, 30, 30, 28, 32, 32, 28, 29, 31.
That's an average of 30%, compared to 29% previously.0 -
Do you remember 2019 when the election was sensationally swayed by the intervention of Noam Chomsky and the Chief Rabbi?0
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Or another referendum if a hung parliamentBenpointer said:Just think comrades, this time next year we'll be having incandescent debates about the forthcoming end of transition with no EU FTA in sight.
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A grown-up view:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/johnson-sowing-seeds-of-biggest-brexit-crisis-yet-warns-sir-ivan-rogers
Note the comments on the EU's position, on Corbyn, and on those who think we can simply unwind Brexit.0 -
Oh dear. More important than the Chief Rabbi is the fact that Johnson CANT get Brexit done by January 1st either this year or next according to Ivar Rogers. It's another Johnson lie. Newsnight tonight.0
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I wondered when this account would come up. Do a bit of research on who this account is and the people they hang out withFloater said:https://twitter.com/GnasherJew/status/1151105418283880448
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And the crocodile tears of the rightwing press on anti-semitism are truly a thing to behold. The Daily Mail, let's not forget, ran what was essentially an anti-semitic dog-whistle campaign against Ed Miliband's father, the Sun ran an anti-semitic bacon sandwich campaign on the eve of the election, and the Telegraph bringing up the rear with its tawdry dog-whistle campaign against Soros, on its front page, no less.2
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Yeah just like we're now having an election in which Boris looks doomed to defeat for having failed to get a Brexit deal and been forced to ask for an extension.Benpointer said:Just think comrades, this time next year we'll be having incandescent debates about the forthcoming end of transition with no EU FTA in sight.
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I live in hope!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Or another referendum if a hung parliamentBenpointer said:Just think comrades, this time next year we'll be having incandescent debates about the forthcoming end of transition with no EU FTA in sight.
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Former Deputy PM Lord Heseltine urges voters to vote LD
https://www.ft.com/content/f5ff8704-0fd3-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae0 -
Leave them up. Shine a bright light on them.Time_to_Leave said:
Can the moderators get rid of some of these hateful posts?Mysticrose said:
Oh come on!!!!!!!HaroldO said:
Square root of fuck all to do though.BigRich said:
New Zealand,Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?
Total government speeding of just 30% of GDP National Debt of 35% and as close to Free trade as any nation.
I'm going Germany, whether Corbyn wins or loses.
Why sould the Chief Rabbi of the UK and Commonwealth have an opinion on Israeli domestic policy?Roger said:Corbyn should be asking the Chief Rabbi whether he supports Trumps decision to declare all Israeli settlements legal. He's being far too apologetic to these so called religious leaders when in truth they are people with an agenda and it's not a popular agenda unless you want the Palestinian's lives to be diminished even further.
See, I have to say that until the 'Jewish Community' began all this ranting I was sympathetic to what they were saying and very upset with the anti-semitism in Labour.
What they're actually achieving is to turn me totally against them and making begin to re-think my views on subjects like Jewish agendas and Israel.
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😇🤫Time_to_Leave said:
Is that a cautious “I’m in” to my business plan?Charles said:
👹Time_to_Leave said:
Look on the bright side. After he’s crashed the economy and sodded off, we can all become oligarchs in the IMF imposed fire sale of assets.Richard_Tyndall said:
I will just stay here and stock up on food and petrol bombs.Byronic said:So where are we all gonna move to? If Corbyn gets in?
I fancy Greece. Pelion, or Poros. Or perhaps Australia. The northern beaches.
Where’s everyone else going?0 -
If they want to speak about faith how about they sort out antisemitism before the EHRC has to sort it out for them? Labour and the BNP the two parties needing the EHRC to sort it out.rottenborough said:
“The creatures outside looked from Jeremy Corbyn to Nick Griffin, and from Nick Griffin to Jeremy Corbyn, and from Jeremy Corbyn to Nick Griffin again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”0 -
Sensible man!HYUFD said:Former Deputy PM Lord Heseltine urges voters to vote LD
https://www.ft.com/content/f5ff8704-0fd3-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae0 -
'Between 2,125 and 2,310 Gazans were killed and between 10,626 and 10,895 were wounded (including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled). Gazan civilian casualty rates estimates range between 70% by the Gaza Health Ministry, 65% by United Nations Protection Cluster by OCHA (based in part Gaza Health Ministry reports), and 36% by Israeli officials. The UN estimated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing. Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4–6 billion dollars, over 20 years.'another_richard said:
Could you give us some details as to how many Palestinians were 'massacred' and how much of Gaza was 'razed to the ground' ?CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Smearing Jews who volunteer their time to do something the Labour Party should be doing itself - identifying and casting out racists - is not a good look.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I wondered when this account would come up. Do a bit of research on who this account is and the people they hang out withFloater said:https://twitter.com/GnasherJew/status/1151105418283880448
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Is this the same Ivan Rogers who thought Boris couldn't get a deal? He knows zilch.Richard_Nabavi said:A grown-up view:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/johnson-sowing-seeds-of-biggest-brexit-crisis-yet-warns-sir-ivan-rogers
Note the comments on the EU's position, on Corbyn, and on those who think we can simply unwind Brexit.0 -
What's your cynical gloss on the views of Tom Watson, Luciana Berger, Margaret Hodge, the Jewish Chronicle, and something like 90+% of the Jewish population?WhisperingOracle said:And the crocodile tears of the rightwing press on anti-semitism are truly a thing to behold. The Daily Mail, let's not forget, ran what was essentially an anti-semitic dog-whistle campaign against Ed Miliband's father, the Sun ran an anti-semitic bacon sandwich campaign on the eve of the election, and the Telegraph bringing up the rear with its tawdry dog-whistle campaign against Soros, on its front page, no less.
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Will pro-semitism help Berger?
Is the chief rabbit a lib dem?0 -
He's a bastard. Just like Sacks before him.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
MPs on Twitter now lists the Twitter accounts of all (?) candidates.
https://www.mpsontwitter.co.uk/list0 -
I'm not smearing anyone, this account just has "interesting" views on racism, if you care to a bit of researchtheoldpolitics said:
Smearing Jews who volunteer their time to do something the Labour Party should be doing itself - identifying and casting out racists - is not a good look.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I wondered when this account would come up. Do a bit of research on who this account is and the people they hang out withFloater said:https://twitter.com/GnasherJew/status/1151105418283880448
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'they need to learn to understand British irony' ~ Jeremy Corbyntheoldpolitics said:
What would you accept as conclusive if you haven't been convinced by the mural, Hamas, Hezbollah, Raed Salah, Press TV, the wreath, the book, the allies, the irony speech, the platform sharing, the bomber campaigns, Paul Eisen, Palestine Live, Stephen Sizer, or Neturei Karta?CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't deny Labour has issues with anti-Semitism. I do deny Corbyn is anti-Semitic and if he was, something conclusive would have come out by now and yet nothing.
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He was right. Boris didn't 'get a deal', he caved in and went back to the original one which the EU had proposed.KentRising said:
Is this the same Ivan Rogers who thought Boris couldn't get a deal? He knows zilch.Richard_Nabavi said:A grown-up view:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/johnson-sowing-seeds-of-biggest-brexit-crisis-yet-warns-sir-ivan-rogers
Note the comments on the EU's position, on Corbyn, and on those who think we can simply unwind Brexit.0 -
According to my wife it's nothing like 90% of the Jewish population ; I defer to her judgement on the question.Richard_Nabavi said:
What's your cynical gloss on the views of Tom Watson, Luciana Berger, Margaret Hodge, the Jewish Chronicle, and something like 90+% of the Jewish population?WhisperingOracle said:And the crocodile tears of the rightwing press on anti-semitism are truly a thing to behold. The Daily Mail, let's not forget, ran what was essentially an anti-semitic dog-whistle campaign against Ed Miliband's father, the Sun ran an anti-semitic bacon sandwich campaign on the eve of the election, and the Telegraph bringing up the rear with its tawdry dog-whistle campaign against Soros, on its front page, no less.
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