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I see BoZo claims to be a Clash fan. I wonder if he often listens to this one.
https://youtu.be/NUnV-486qTk
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One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.1 -
Also makes you wonder how inept the Remain campaign was not to win those people to vote for the EU? On the face of it they should have crushed it 2:1.Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
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You would say that wouldn't you.Black_Rook said:
Under those circumstances you surely want to go for the Tory? The fact that said candidate might, personally, have preferred that we never leave the EU is neither here nor there. They will endorse the Withdrawal Agreement regardless.dellertronic said:
as a brexiteer in a seat held by a remainer tory I now have a choice of three variants of remain and no leave candidate. Spoilt ballot will get my vote.Black_Rook said:If all the remaining available choices are utterly repellent, then abstention could be considered honourable?
All of the Conservative MPs who were so implacably opposed to Brexit that they wanted to force either Norway + CU, a confirmatory referendum or both have already gone. Any candidate returned or elected for the first time under the 2019 manifesto is fully signed up to Johnson's programme.
Even if you suspect that your local Tory might get up to funny business during the negotiations on the future relationship, at least they will give Brexit the chance to get that far. If given the opportunity, the other alternatives either may not or will not do so.0 -
Serious question:HYUFD said:
He is still 3rd in the latest NH poll there behind Biden and Warrenrcs1000 said:
Wikipedia is out of date. See: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/new-hampshire/HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is 4th in the latest New Hampshire polls behind Warren, Biden and Sanders.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Hampshire_Democratic_primary
Would you rather be third and five points behind the leader, or second and fifteen points adrift?
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Depends how unpopular PM Boris is by thenOnlyLivingBoy said:
Ha ha, you are shitting me. The public really are a funny bunch aren't they.CatMan said:
We are rejoining the EU by 2030.0 -
Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
Is he well?0 -
Who?MikeSmithson said:My best WH2020 bet is Amy Klobuchar. In October I got odds of 760 on her on Betfair -My stake £8 my potential winnings £6,072.00.
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In 12 months we will all be wondering about thatAnabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
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Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him. 0 -
Because for many of us Leave voters it has nothing to do with immigration...? You lot like to suggest most of us voted on immigration grounds and you won’t hear anything else.Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
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Only given the specific circumstances described.eristdoof said:
You would say that wouldn't you.Black_Rook said:
Under those circumstances you surely want to go for the Tory? The fact that said candidate might, personally, have preferred that we never leave the EU is neither here nor there. They will endorse the Withdrawal Agreement regardless.dellertronic said:
as a brexiteer in a seat held by a remainer tory I now have a choice of three variants of remain and no leave candidate. Spoilt ballot will get my vote.Black_Rook said:If all the remaining available choices are utterly repellent, then abstention could be considered honourable?
All of the Conservative MPs who were so implacably opposed to Brexit that they wanted to force either Norway + CU, a confirmatory referendum or both have already gone. Any candidate returned or elected for the first time under the 2019 manifesto is fully signed up to Johnson's programme.
Even if you suspect that your local Tory might get up to funny business during the negotiations on the future relationship, at least they will give Brexit the chance to get that far. If given the opportunity, the other alternatives either may not or will not do so.0 -
"Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa"rcs1000 said:
I thought that.AlastairMeeks said:
Doesn’t the new system make that much less certain? With delegates awarded proportionately, the convention is likely to be determinative. Pete Buttigieg might be good at horse-trading. Or he might not. We don’t know yet.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
But then I remembered the 15% threshold (albeit at the precinct level). This means we're likely to see four candidates (at most).
Take Iowa. Imagine the players are Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Sanders in that order. Well, it'll probably be 40-30-20-10 for delegate share. In New Hampshire, it'll be the same four. And the fourth placed player - unless there's a big reshuffling of the deck - will likely be forced out.
I think it's likely that come Super Tuesday there will only be three players in the game. Which three? Who knows.
and he has the money.
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I saw no reason why I should suffer alone.Pulpstar said:
Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
EDIT I’m also a year out. He’d have been born in 1998. Scary.0 -
No. She'll get creative.nico67 said:Let’s be blunt if Labour become the biggest party is Jo Swinson really going to say no I refuse to support you for enough time to get a second EU vote .
Talk about betrayal then, given the Lib Dems sole mission is to stop Brexit will she really refuse to support them and end up having another election .
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Not Sanders.rcs1000 said:
I thought that.AlastairMeeks said:
Doesn’t the new system make that much less certain? With delegates awarded proportionately, the convention is likely to be determinative. Pete Buttigieg might be good at horse-trading. Or he might not. We don’t know yet.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
But then I remembered the 15% threshold (albeit at the precinct level). This means we're likely to see four candidates (at most).
Take Iowa. Imagine the players are Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Sanders in that order. Well, it'll probably be 40-30-20-10 for delegate share. In New Hampshire, it'll be the same four. And the fourth placed player - unless there's a big reshuffling of the deck - will likely be forced out.
I think it's likely that come Super Tuesday there will only be three players in the game. Which three? Who knows.
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It goes back further than that. I was born in 1992 and you can argue the same applies.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.0 -
Sounds like normal Boris when having to discuss any subject — and there are a lot of them — where he can't really be arsed to do his homework.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
Is he well?0 -
No he was just thinking before he spoke while announcing the new money for flood relief and preventionrottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
Is he well?0 -
Stating something with great certainty doesn't make it true.nico67 said:
A gay presidential candidate and the Dems really will have handed the election to Trump , you’re not going to win the key swing states .rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
Sorry to be blunt and not politically correct but seriously there’s no chance the USA will vote for a gay President . The Dems need to get out of their bubble and put forward Biden who is the only one who can win those swing states .
Running up big totals in California and NY means zip with the Electoral College system .
You might have written:
"A black presidential candidate and the Dems really will have handed the election to the Republicans , you’re not going to win the key swing states ."
or
"If the Republicans pick a liar, a fornicator, an atheist, a man who's paid his mistresses to have abortions, then the evangelicals simply won't turn up. They'll be handing the election to the Democrats."
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Second as you are the main alternativercs1000 said:
Serious question:HYUFD said:
He is still 3rd in the latest NH poll there behind Biden and Warrenrcs1000 said:
Wikipedia is out of date. See: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/new-hampshire/HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is 4th in the latest New Hampshire polls behind Warren, Biden and Sanders.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Hampshire_Democratic_primary
Would you rather be third and five points behind the leader, or second and fifteen points adrift?0 -
I know local connection is not all there is (and people might have connection with several areas) and parachuted MPs can be good too, but it feels like if you've tried being selected in several other seats at least you should be ruled out standing for others - you've had a decent chance after all.KentRising said:
@BrexitStewart, aka Stewart Jackson, also tried to get Sevenoaks. Clearly eager to become an MP again.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/1194365204118822912 Another wife tries to become MP.
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Of course Boris can do no wrong. I forgot.HYUFD said:
No he was just thinking before he spoke while announcing the new money for flood relief and preventionrottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
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I’ve got a tin opener older than him....Pulpstar said:
Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.0 -
That's when the Bernibots and the quad fall behind Warren.rottenborough said:
Not Sanders.rcs1000 said:
I thought that.AlastairMeeks said:
Doesn’t the new system make that much less certain? With delegates awarded proportionately, the convention is likely to be determinative. Pete Buttigieg might be good at horse-trading. Or he might not. We don’t know yet.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
But then I remembered the 15% threshold (albeit at the precinct level). This means we're likely to see four candidates (at most).
Take Iowa. Imagine the players are Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Sanders in that order. Well, it'll probably be 40-30-20-10 for delegate share. In New Hampshire, it'll be the same four. And the fourth placed player - unless there's a big reshuffling of the deck - will likely be forced out.
I think it's likely that come Super Tuesday there will only be three players in the game. Which three? Who knows.0 -
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
Is he well?0 -
The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/11943672397278289940 -
Tories majority 82 with Electoral CalculusCatMan said:
Tories 366
Labour 203
LDs 24
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=37&LAB=29&LIB=17&Brexit=9&Green=3&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base0 -
I think that's likely.Foxy said:
That's when the Bernibots and the quad fall behind Warren.rottenborough said:
Not Sanders.rcs1000 said:
I thought that.AlastairMeeks said:
Doesn’t the new system make that much less certain? With delegates awarded proportionately, the convention is likely to be determinative. Pete Buttigieg might be good at horse-trading. Or he might not. We don’t know yet.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
But then I remembered the 15% threshold (albeit at the precinct level). This means we're likely to see four candidates (at most).
Take Iowa. Imagine the players are Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Sanders in that order. Well, it'll probably be 40-30-20-10 for delegate share. In New Hampshire, it'll be the same four. And the fourth placed player - unless there's a big reshuffling of the deck - will likely be forced out.
I think it's likely that come Super Tuesday there will only be three players in the game. Which three? Who knows.
But it's worth remembering that if you divide the Democratic field into Centrists and Radicals, then it's half-and-half.
If Biden gets zero delegates in Iowa and New Hampshire, will he really still go on to win South Carolina?0 -
Ah, but he can. HYUFD concedes Boris could not win a GE running a fiscally sensible campaign, hence the need to splurge cash.Gallowgate said:
Of course Boris can do no wrong. I forgot.HYUFD said:
No he was just thinking before he spoke while announcing the new money for flood relief and preventionrottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
Is he well?0 -
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
Is he well?0 -
Good evening all.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
It's unlikely that your relentless negativity about life in Britain has inspired him. He's not had to storm the beaches of Normandy, not lived through mass poverty or unemployment and technology has created opportunities for him that were unimaginable even in 1997. If annual economic growth of 2% is as bad as it gets he's a lucky, lucky man.1 -
One decimal place.Sunil_Prasannan said:
OK, so including Survation, ELBOW for week-ending 10th November:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bloody Survation fieldwork was from last week! I will have to adjust ELBOW for week-ending 10th Nov again!HYUFD said:Except Labour are on just 28% and 29% with Yougov and Survation today, so the Labour vote is already down to its core with pro Brexit 2017 Labour voters already having switched to the Tories or Brexit Party. Boris with Yougov today does not need to convert a single extra Labour voter, as long as he holds the current Tory vote he would still win a landslide
CON 38.1% (+0.2)
LAB 28.2% (+1.9)
LD 16.1% (+0.1)
BXP 9.1% (-1.3)
SNP 3.7% (+0.1)
GRN 3.4% (-0.2)
PC 0.6% (-0.2)
Oth 0.8% (-0.5)
CON lead 9.9% (-1.4)
10 polls = Survation, BMG, ComRes, Deltapoll, Opinium, Panelbase, ICM, 3 YouGovs
Progress!
And thanks for the update!1 -
Yep.Foxy said:
That's when the Bernibots and the quad fall behind Warren.rottenborough said:
Not Sanders.rcs1000 said:
I thought that.AlastairMeeks said:
Doesn’t the new system make that much less certain? With delegates awarded proportionately, the convention is likely to be determinative. Pete Buttigieg might be good at horse-trading. Or he might not. We don’t know yet.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
But then I remembered the 15% threshold (albeit at the precinct level). This means we're likely to see four candidates (at most).
Take Iowa. Imagine the players are Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Sanders in that order. Well, it'll probably be 40-30-20-10 for delegate share. In New Hampshire, it'll be the same four. And the fourth placed player - unless there's a big reshuffling of the deck - will likely be forced out.
I think it's likely that come Super Tuesday there will only be three players in the game. Which three? Who knows.
Welcome to four more years of Trump.
But, I still have a decent bet on Bettigieg. Maybe a hope over head job.0 -
Given the veneration of youth views at present we should definitely listen to you, not many younger.Gallowgate said:
It goes back further than that. I was born in 1992 and you can argue the same applies.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
Ah, I remember the days of the 2010 GE on PB. 23 years young I was, what a time.0 -
Britain has got nowhere near 2% a year growth in the last decade and there’s no sign of it in sight either.humbugger said:
Good evening all.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
It's unlikely that your relentless negativity about life in Britain has inspired him. He's not had to storm the beaches of Normandy, not lived through mass poverty or unemployment and technology has created opportunities for him that were unimaginable even in 1997. If annual economic growth of 2% is as bad as it gets he's a lucky, lucky man.0 -
He recently overtook Biden in terms of number of individual donations. That's astonishing.rottenborough said:
"Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa"rcs1000 said:
I thought that.AlastairMeeks said:
Doesn’t the new system make that much less certain? With delegates awarded proportionately, the convention is likely to be determinative. Pete Buttigieg might be good at horse-trading. Or he might not. We don’t know yet.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
But then I remembered the 15% threshold (albeit at the precinct level). This means we're likely to see four candidates (at most).
Take Iowa. Imagine the players are Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Sanders in that order. Well, it'll probably be 40-30-20-10 for delegate share. In New Hampshire, it'll be the same four. And the fourth placed player - unless there's a big reshuffling of the deck - will likely be forced out.
I think it's likely that come Super Tuesday there will only be three players in the game. Which three? Who knows.
and he has the money.0 -
We have a points based system, it's just that "being from an EU country" is worth infinity points.HYUFD said:
Not for EU nations we don't despite most voters wanting itnoneoftheabove said:
We have a points based system of immigration already.......HYUFD said:
What a stupid poll question, even the points system Boris wants would still enable EU citizens to live and work in the UK if they have the skills we needCatMan said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/points-based-system-tier-2
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/708162/Theresa-May-migration-Brexit-Nigel-Farage-Ukip0 -
I've got a REM t-shirt older than him.sarissa said:
I’ve got a tin opener older than him....Pulpstar said:
Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
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Lets say we leave with Johnson's deal. How is anyone going to keep the majority of the country happy when the reasons for leave are diverse and sometimes different groups of leavers have completely opposite objectives?Richard_Tyndall said:
Because for many of us it had sweet FA to do with immigration.Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
When the leave coalition breaks down, as it surely will, we will be vulnerable to Corbynism, probably a post Corbyn version, but it will be radical and dangerous.0 -
As a general observation, if the electorate at large really cared about the welfare and rights of minorities then Labour would already have sunk under the anti-Semitism scandal.Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1194367239727828994
They don't.1 -
I think you have a point with Obama, with the proviso that the Democrats were very enthusiatic for his election, but would Trump have beaten anyone other than Clinton?rcs1000 said:Stating something with great certainty doesn't make it true.
You might have written:
"A black presidential candidate and the Dems really will have handed the election to the Republicans , you’re not going to win the key swing states ."
or
"If the Republicans pick a liar, a fornicator, an atheist, a man who's paid his mistresses to have abortions, then the evangelicals simply won't turn up. They'll be handing the election to the Democrats."0 -
I can remember the day I first felt old - 26th August 2012. Working in the early hours of that Sunday morning on a data migration project, one of the team spotted a report on the BBC news site that Neil Armstrong had died.Pulpstar said:
Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
The graduate trainee sitting next to me asked: "Who's Neil Armstrong?"0 -
Didn't BJO say something a little earlier along the lines of 'Wait for Comres'? *innocent face*dyedwoolie said:
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Yeh. Right.HYUFD said:
No he was just thinking before he spoke while announcing the new money for flood relief and preventionrottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
Is he well?
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Best not run that comparison past your team member, I don't think it'll land. I suggest getting a crib sheet of modern pop culture references to stay hip, like politicians do.AlastairMeeks said:
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
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++humbugger said:Good evening all.
It's unlikely that your relentless negativity about life in Britain has inspired him. He's not had to storm the beaches of Normandy, not lived through mass poverty or unemployment and technology has created opportunities for him that were unimaginable even in 1997. If annual economic growth of 2% is as bad as it gets he's a lucky, lucky man.
I genuinely believe that there has never been a better time to be alive. If people think 2019 is a bit shit they should read some history books.
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The fieldwork is before the Farage announcement. With BXP on 9% this looks a solid poll for the Tories.blueblue said:
Didn't BJO say something a little earlier along the lines of 'Wait for Comres'? *innocent face*dyedwoolie said:1 -
Oh look. First reply is about Labour. My my, I didn't expect that.Black_Rook said:
As a general observation, if the electorate at large really cared about the welfare and rights of minorities then Labour would already have sunk under the anti-Semitism scandal.Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1194367239727828994
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The country is very divided and uncertain and likely to be for some time - it'll get worse before it gets better.noneoftheabove said:
Lets say we leave with Johnson's deal. How is anyone going to keep the majority of the country happy when the reasons for leave are diverse and sometimes different groups of leavers have completely opposite objectives?Richard_Tyndall said:
Because for many of us it had sweet FA to do with immigration.Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
When the leave coalition breaks down, as it surely will, we will be vulnerable to Corbynism, probably a post Corbyn version, but it will be radical and dangerous.0 -
I look forward to seeing the wall to wall coverage in the media and the BBC to have this as their main headline for days ! And in the real world the BBC will have got their orders from no 10 to ignore the whole thing .Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1194367239727828994
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Ooo-er, Missus!!AlastairMeeks said:
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
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Grrrr. Don’t you think I’m feeling old enough today?kle4 said:
Best not run that comparison past your team member, I don't think it'll land. I suggest getting a crib sheet of modern pop culture references to stay hip, like politicians do.AlastairMeeks said:
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
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Well, fortunately this is easy to prove with statistics. We can look at 100 election contests across the US and the UK and see from which you are more likely to win 12 weeks from the election.HYUFD said:
Second as you are the main alternativercs1000 said:
Serious question:HYUFD said:
He is still 3rd in the latest NH poll there behind Biden and Warrenrcs1000 said:
Wikipedia is out of date. See: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/new-hampshire/HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is 4th in the latest New Hampshire polls behind Warren, Biden and Sanders.rcs1000 said:
Laughable.HYUFD said:
Buttigieg is spending a fortune in Iowa but beyond there he is not making much impactPulpstar said:Buttigieg a touch short at 6.2 right now on Betfair. I've laid back a smidgen, he'll probably shorten further after Iowa anyway.
He's on 15%, only five points behind Biden in New Hampshire, and up about seven points in the last month.
If he wins Iowa, the he's odds on to win New Hamphire.
If he's won Iowa and New Hampshire then... oh yes... he's probably the Democratic nominee.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Hampshire_Democratic_primary
Would you rather be third and five points behind the leader, or second and fifteen points adrift?
Before I run the numbers, would you like to venture a guess what they'll say?0 -
It's a good time to be alive generally, to be sure, and a lot of us could stand to be a great deal less glum about a great many things, but there are elements in the UK specifically where things are not as good as they were, and relentlessly negative atmospheres do not appear out of the aether, they feed on something real.glw said:
++humbugger said:Good evening all.
It's unlikely that your relentless negativity about life in Britain has inspired him. He's not had to storm the beaches of Normandy, not lived through mass poverty or unemployment and technology has created opportunities for him that were unimaginable even in 1997. If annual economic growth of 2% is as bad as it gets he's a lucky, lucky man.
I genuinely believe that there has never been a better time to be alive. If people think 2019 is a bit shit they should read some history books.0 -
Warsi hates us atheists!Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
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Are you not concerned at how many voters will make the same calculation as the PPC in Canterbury, even if the LDs do stand everywhere?RochdalePioneers said:
The LibDems are running candidates. If the PPCin Canterbury doesn't want the gig another will be appointed. They still have until midday Thursday to get 10 signatures on a nomination form and get it submitted.felix said:Cyclefree said:If the Lib Dems go into any sort of informal alliance with Labour I am going to have to take the Meeks option - abstain in person. NFW am I going to vote Lib Dem if there is even the slightest chance they will prop up Corbyn.
They had my vote until this crap. Back to Boris for me.Cyclefree said:If the Lib Dems go into any sort of informal alliance with Labour I am going to have to take the Meeks option - abstain in person. NFW am I going to vote Lib Dem if there is even the slightest chance they will prop up Corbyn.
There is no stand down for Labour
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I know - I was just doing a bit of gentle ribbing of BJO, who was presumably expecting a Survation-like result.humbugger said:
The fieldwork is before the Farage announcement. With BXP on 9% this looks a solid poll for the Tories.blueblue said:
Didn't BJO say something a little earlier along the lines of 'Wait for Comres'? *innocent face*dyedwoolie said:1 -
Birthday?AlastairMeeks said:
Grrrr. Don’t you think I’m feeling old enough today?kle4 said:
Best not run that comparison past your team member, I don't think it'll land. I suggest getting a crib sheet of modern pop culture references to stay hip, like politicians do.AlastairMeeks said:
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
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To be fair, jazz is rather an acquired taste.Benpointer said:
I can remember the day I first felt old - 26th August 2012. Working in the early hours of that Sunday morning on a data migration project, one of the team spotted a report on the BBC news site that Neil Armstrong had died.Pulpstar said:
Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
The graduate trainee sitting next to me asked: "Who's Neil Armstrong?"2 -
Does the Daily Express readership have a lot of people who have vision problems . They always have the headlines so big you could see them from the Hubble telescope .0
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Click through to the article and you'll see the important story in there is racist Conservative councillors.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Warsi hates us atheists!Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1194367239727828994
I did deliberately choose to post the Warsi tweet rather than just the Guardian link, though, entirely to annoy you.0 -
Another good parody of conspiracy theorists, you're getting very good at this.nico67 said:
And in the real world the BBC will have got their orders from no 10 to ignore the whole thing .Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1194367239727828994
Being serious, it won't get the attention it probably deserves, but even when these things get attention they deserve they don't appear to have the effect they deserve even when they are as bad as they appear.
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Specifically that of an office junior, who’s 21 today.DavidL said:
Birthday?AlastairMeeks said:
Grrrr. Don’t you think I’m feeling old enough today?kle4 said:
Best not run that comparison past your team member, I don't think it'll land. I suggest getting a crib sheet of modern pop culture references to stay hip, like politicians do.AlastairMeeks said:
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
Is he well?0 -
This isn't just the UK, though, is it? By western standards, the UK's done ok during his lifetime. It's the west as a whole. He has the misfortune to be born in a period when globalisation is raising billions in the former third world out of poverty at the expense of anaemic growth in most of the west (that part without significant mineral wealth, at least) and the good fortune to be alive in one of the richest countries in the world in a time of unprecedented plenty.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.0 -
As long as you're younger than your boss I think you're supposed to be ok. I don't pass that test.AlastairMeeks said:a
Specifically that of an office junior, who’s 21 today.DavidL said:
Birthday?AlastairMeeks said:
Grrrr. Don’t you think I’m feeling old enough today?kle4 said:
Best not run that comparison past your team member, I don't think it'll land. I suggest getting a crib sheet of modern pop culture references to stay hip, like politicians do.AlastairMeeks said:
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
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Except it didn't mention "Freedom of Movement"......Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU.
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Johnson cannot deliver on the promises he has made. At some point relatively soon his lies will catch up with him. When they do things will get very unpleasant. For him, the Tories and, most importantly, for the country. It’s just a matter of when.noneoftheabove said:
Lets say we leave with Johnson's deal. How is anyone going to keep the majority of the country happy when the reasons for leave are diverse and sometimes different groups of leavers have completely opposite objectives?Richard_Tyndall said:
Because for many of us it had sweet FA to do with immigration.Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
When the leave coalition breaks down, as it surely will, we will be vulnerable to Corbynism, probably a post Corbyn version, but it will be radical and dangerous.
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PB’s affluent reactionaries are getting all Four Yorkshiremen. But Britain is now declining relative to Europe and the USA.Cookie said:
This isn't just the UK, though, is it? By western standards, the UK's done ok during his lifetime. It's the west as a whole. He has the misfortune to be born in a period when globalisation is raising billions in the former third world out of poverty at the expense of anaemic growth in most of the west (that part without significant mineral wealth, at least) and the good fortune to be alive in one of the richest countries in the world in a time of unprecedented plenty.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.0 -
I agree, it should be investigated and those who have had racist outbursts should be purged.Noo said:
Click through to the article and you'll see the important story in there is racist Conservative councillors.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Warsi hates us atheists!Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1194367239727828994
I did deliberately choose to post the Warsi tweet rather than just the Guardian link, though, entirely to annoy you.
Party of the accused, and the race offended is irrelevant. Councillor, MP, shadow cabinet or member should all be held to the same standards.0 -
Lol - if there's a jazz Neil Armstrong he's not listed in Wikipedia.rcs1000 said:
To be fair, jazz is rather an acquired taste.Benpointer said:
I can remember the day I first felt old - 26th August 2012. Working in the early hours of that Sunday morning on a data migration project, one of the team spotted a report on the BBC news site that Neil Armstrong had died.Pulpstar said:
Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
The graduate trainee sitting next to me asked: "Who's Neil Armstrong?"
At least for the Neil Armstrong we were able to point the poorly educated graduate to Wiki.
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It's so you can see the headline from across the forecourt even in an Arctic blizzard.nico67 said:Does the Daily Express readership have a lot of people who have vision problems . They always have the headlines so big you could see them from the Hubble telescope .
Strangely the Arctic blizzards never seem to arrive, but one day they'll get a forecast right.0 -
Sure, but I'd take the aggregated negatives of today over any other point in the past.kle4 said:
It's a good time to be alive generally, to be sure, and a lot of us could stand to be a great deal less glum about a great many things, but there are elements in the UK specifically where things are not as good as they were, and relentlessly negative atmospheres do not appear out of the aether, they feed on something real.glw said:
++humbugger said:Good evening all.
It's unlikely that your relentless negativity about life in Britain has inspired him. He's not had to storm the beaches of Normandy, not lived through mass poverty or unemployment and technology has created opportunities for him that were unimaginable even in 1997. If annual economic growth of 2% is as bad as it gets he's a lucky, lucky man.
I genuinely believe that there has never been a better time to be alive. If people think 2019 is a bit shit they should read some history books.0 -
Is this true in median wage terms? I have read that wages in the US have not increased meaningfully in 40 years. Explains Trump to some extent.AlastairMeeks said:
PB’s affluent reactionaries are getting all Four Yorkshiremen. But Britain is now declining relative to Europe and the USA.Cookie said:
This isn't just the UK, though, is it? By western standards, the UK's done ok during his lifetime. It's the west as a whole. He has the misfortune to be born in a period when globalisation is raising billions in the former third world out of poverty at the expense of anaemic growth in most of the west (that part without significant mineral wealth, at least) and the good fortune to be alive in one of the richest countries in the world in a time of unprecedented plenty.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.0 -
When can we expect to see the main party manifestos - anyone know?0
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Yes, but the comparison people will naturally make is not with 1000 years ago, or 100, or 50, or today but in Mogadishu, it will be with how they recall it feeling here in the last 5-10 years, and while some things are better, the perception has been of low growth, belt tightening (even though not really as much as people think) and so on, with some actual negatives to give such an impression legs.glw said:
Sure, but I'd take the aggregated negatives of today over any other point in the past.kle4 said:
It's a good time to be alive generally, to be sure, and a lot of us could stand to be a great deal less glum about a great many things, but there are elements in the UK specifically where things are not as good as they were, and relentlessly negative atmospheres do not appear out of the aether, they feed on something real.glw said:
++humbugger said:Good evening all.
It's unlikely that your relentless negativity about life in Britain has inspired him. He's not had to storm the beaches of Normandy, not lived through mass poverty or unemployment and technology has created opportunities for him that were unimaginable even in 1997. If annual economic growth of 2% is as bad as it gets he's a lucky, lucky man.
I genuinely believe that there has never been a better time to be alive. If people think 2019 is a bit shit they should read some history books.
So it is the aggregated negatives of today vs aggregated positives of yesterday.0 -
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One of the few enjoyable aspects of our shrivelled post-Brexit world will be watching as Mail, Express and Telegraph readers discovering the end of freedom of movement is a two way street.Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
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Twenty-five years ago last month I embarked on my journeys around London's Tube and rail network as a student.AlastairMeeks said:
I saw no reason why I should suffer alone.Pulpstar said:
Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
EDIT I’m also a year out. He’d have been born in 1998. Scary.
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Gallowgate said:
It goes back further than that. I was born in 1992 and you can argue the same applies.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
I realised that I was old when the Prime Minister was younger than me. Thanks DC!Benpointer said:
I can remember the day I first felt old - 26th August 2012. Working in the early hours of that Sunday morning on a data migration project, one of the team spotted a report on the BBC news site that Neil Armstrong had died.Pulpstar said:
Lol You've just made everyone here feel errm... oldAlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
The graduate trainee sitting next to me asked: "Who's Neil Armstrong?"0 -
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https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1194187350420721664?s=20AlastairMeeks said:
PB’s affluent reactionaries are getting all Four Yorkshiremen. But Britain is now declining relative to Europe and the USA.Cookie said:
This isn't just the UK, though, is it? By western standards, the UK's done ok during his lifetime. It's the west as a whole. He has the misfortune to be born in a period when globalisation is raising billions in the former third world out of poverty at the expense of anaemic growth in most of the west (that part without significant mineral wealth, at least) and the good fortune to be alive in one of the richest countries in the world in a time of unprecedented plenty.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.0 -
What about when your boss wouldn't pass the 'half your age plus nine' test?kle4 said:
As long as you're younger than your boss I think you're supposed to be ok. I don't pass that test.AlastairMeeks said:a
Specifically that of an office junior, who’s 21 today.DavidL said:
Birthday?AlastairMeeks said:
Grrrr. Don’t you think I’m feeling old enough today?kle4 said:
Best not run that comparison past your team member, I don't think it'll land. I suggest getting a crib sheet of modern pop culture references to stay hip, like politicians do.AlastairMeeks said:
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
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Indeed. Those who are cheering on a Tory majority to stop Corbyn are making a long term error imo. The best way to stop Corbynism is for him to be nominally in charge of a shit situation now, but constrained by the SNP and LD.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson cannot deliver on the promises he has made. At some point relatively soon his lies will catch up with him. When they do things will get very unpleasant. For him, the Tories and, most importantly, for the country. It’s just a matter of when.noneoftheabove said:
Lets say we leave with Johnson's deal. How is anyone going to keep the majority of the country happy when the reasons for leave are diverse and sometimes different groups of leavers have completely opposite objectives?Richard_Tyndall said:
Because for many of us it had sweet FA to do with immigration.Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
When the leave coalition breaks down, as it surely will, we will be vulnerable to Corbynism, probably a post Corbyn version, but it will be radical and dangerous.
A Tory majority has a far greater chance of leading to eventual real Corbynism, particularly as the age and home ownership demographics will be further against the Tories in 5 years time.0 -
Even Survation had a 6% Tory leadblueblue said:
I know - I was just doing a bit of gentle ribbing of BJO, who was presumably expecting a Survation-like result.humbugger said:
The fieldwork is before the Farage announcement. With BXP on 9% this looks a solid poll for the Tories.blueblue said:
Didn't BJO say something a little earlier along the lines of 'Wait for Comres'? *innocent face*dyedwoolie said:0 -
https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/1193832832206098432?s=21Gabs2 said:
Is this true in median wage terms? I have read that wages in the US have not increased meaningfully in 40 years. Explains Trump to some extent.AlastairMeeks said:
PB’s affluent reactionaries are getting all Four Yorkshiremen. But Britain is now declining relative to Europe and the USA.Cookie said:
This isn't just the UK, though, is it? By western standards, the UK's done ok during his lifetime. It's the west as a whole. He has the misfortune to be born in a period when globalisation is raising billions in the former third world out of poverty at the expense of anaemic growth in most of the west (that part without significant mineral wealth, at least) and the good fortune to be alive in one of the richest countries in the world in a time of unprecedented plenty.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.0 -
Watch this. To be honest, Remain should run this as Public Information Film. The main info is about 5 mins inglw said:
Sure, but I'd take the aggregated negatives of today over any other point in the past.kle4 said:
It's a good time to be alive generally, to be sure, and a lot of us could stand to be a great deal less glum about a great many things, but there are elements in the UK specifically where things are not as good as they were, and relentlessly negative atmospheres do not appear out of the aether, they feed on something real.glw said:
++humbugger said:Good evening all.
It's unlikely that your relentless negativity about life in Britain has inspired him. He's not had to storm the beaches of Normandy, not lived through mass poverty or unemployment and technology has created opportunities for him that were unimaginable even in 1997. If annual economic growth of 2% is as bad as it gets he's a lucky, lucky man.
I genuinely believe that there has never been a better time to be alive. If people think 2019 is a bit shit they should read some history books.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9Ng0bbEQ1 -
Gauke standing as independent.1
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Very old, or someone is an overachieving little queue jumper!SandyRentool said:
What about when your boss wouldn't pass the 'half your age plus nine' test?kle4 said:
As long as you're younger than your boss I think you're supposed to be ok. I don't pass that test.AlastairMeeks said:a
Specifically that of an office junior, who’s 21 today.DavidL said:
Birthday?AlastairMeeks said:
Grrrr. Don’t you think I’m feeling old enough today?kle4 said:
Best not run that comparison past your team member, I don't think it'll land. I suggest getting a crib sheet of modern pop culture references to stay hip, like politicians do.AlastairMeeks said:
It’s like having Frankie Howard as Prime Minister. At least Frankie Howerd’s ejaculations were all fully scripted.kle4 said:
He's not articulate - has he ever been? A speech or written column is a different thing altogether.rottenborough said:Boris clip on BBC 10 news on floods.
Dreadful. A series of erms and uhs and uncertain sentences.
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As if you should believe anything written by Dan Hannan:HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1194187350420721664?s=20AlastairMeeks said:
PB’s affluent reactionaries are getting all Four Yorkshiremen. But Britain is now declining relative to Europe and the USA.Cookie said:
This isn't just the UK, though, is it? By western standards, the UK's done ok during his lifetime. It's the west as a whole. He has the misfortune to be born in a period when globalisation is raising billions in the former third world out of poverty at the expense of anaemic growth in most of the west (that part without significant mineral wealth, at least) and the good fortune to be alive in one of the richest countries in the world in a time of unprecedented plenty.AlastairMeeks said:One of my junior team members turned 21 today. I reflected on his historical experience. He was born in 1997. He would have no memory of September 11. He would have been in his last year of primary school when the credit crunch hit.
He would have no memory of any time of anything other than at best anaemic economic growth. The idea of a long term growth rate of 2% would sound ridiculous. His Britain has been one of permanent stagnation.
He will have the opportunity to vote in a second general election next month. I can’t imagine he’s seen much to inspire him.
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the bbc get their orders from the sinister jewish cabal that run the world - did you not get the memo?nico67 said:
I look forward to seeing the wall to wall coverage in the media and the BBC to have this as their main headline for days ! And in the real world the BBC will have got their orders from no 10 to ignore the whole thing .Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
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Sure but that's the mistake we all make of looking at the here and now, rather than considering things over a decent period of time. We see the fluctuations of life, but not the long term trends, which are almost all to the good.kle4 said:Yes, but the comparison people will naturally make is not with 1000 years ago, or 100, or 50, or today but in Mogadishu, it will be with how they recall it feeling here in the last 5-10 years, and while some things are better, the perception has been of low growth, belt tightening (even though not really as much as people think) and so on, with some actual negatives to give such an impression legs.
So it is the aggregated negatives of today vs aggregated positives of yesterday.0 -
If specific parties have specific problems, I'd recommend specific measures be taken.philiph said:
I agree, it should be investigated and those who have had racist outbursts should be purged.Noo said:
Click through to the article and you'll see the important story in there is racist Conservative councillors.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Warsi hates us atheists!Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1194367239727828994
I did deliberately choose to post the Warsi tweet rather than just the Guardian link, though, entirely to annoy you.
Party of the accused, and the race offended is irrelevant. Councillor, MP, shadow cabinet or member should all be held to the same standards.
What fresh hell is that? Who wants to sit and face sideways like that? Monsters.SouthamObserver said:0 -
And I post this just to annoy you:Noo said:
Click through to the article and you'll see the important story in there is racist Conservative councillors.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Warsi hates us atheists!Noo said:The Conservative Party is in a bleak state
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1194367239727828994
I did deliberately choose to post the Warsi tweet rather than just the Guardian link, though, entirely to annoy you.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17021831
"Britain is under threat from a rising tide of "militant secularisation", a cabinet minister [ie. Warsi] has warned."0 -
So why?Time_to_Leave said:
Because for many of us Leave voters it has nothing to do with immigration...? You lot like to suggest most of us voted on immigration grounds and you won’t hear anything else.Anabobazina said:There’s a poll out tonight showing 67% of Britons support freedom of movement across the UK and EU. Which makes me again wonder why we bothered with this pointless Brexit lark in the first place.
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You are right that is the instinctive human reaction and perfectly natural. But it is wrong, both in fairness to the 99% of humans who have lived worse lives than us and equally importantly to ourselves. We would be in a better place, more at ease with the world and people around us, if we understood how lucky we are.kle4 said:
Yes, but the comparison people will naturally make is not with 1000 years ago, or 100, or 50, or today but in Mogadishu, it will be with how they recall it feeling here in the last 5-10 years, and while some things are better, the perception has been of low growth, belt tightening (even though not really as much as people think) and so on, with some actual negatives to give such an impression legs.glw said:
Sure, but I'd take the aggregated negatives of today over any other point in the past.kle4 said:
It's a good time to be alive generally, to be sure, and a lot of us could stand to be a great deal less glum about a great many things, but there are elements in the UK specifically where things are not as good as they were, and relentlessly negative atmospheres do not appear out of the aether, they feed on something real.glw said:
++humbugger said:Good evening all.
It's unlikely that your relentless negativity about life in Britain has inspired him. He's not had to storm the beaches of Normandy, not lived through mass poverty or unemployment and technology has created opportunities for him that were unimaginable even in 1997. If annual economic growth of 2% is as bad as it gets he's a lucky, lucky man.
I genuinely believe that there has never been a better time to be alive. If people think 2019 is a bit shit they should read some history books.
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Had some feedback from friends on tonight’s ‘Boris, the shuffle round the office’. Consensus: tacky as hell, but Boris’s oven chips to serve the same purpose as Trump’s Wendy burgers.0
