At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
I liked my old mucker Casino Royale's betting suggestion yesterday of backing the Tories to win between 250 - 299 seats at decimal odds of 5.75 including Ladbrokes' 0.25 bonus. Such a result appears all too possible were things to go seriously pear-shaped for the Blue Team over the next 6 weeks, just as they did last time out. For those of us in the betting fraternity, it would be good if pearls of wisdom such as these could be highlighted in bold with a Bet of the Day caption or suchlike so that attractive opportunities are not overlooked.
Every post I'll make will be a Bet of the Day post.
For instance if that tweet HYUFD posted in the last thread is true and the Lib Dems are truly only 7 points behind Blackford IN Ross Skye and Lochabar then the Conservatives have lost West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine and you need to take a good hard look at Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
As both of those seats, like in Ross, the Con vote was powered by Lib Dem switchers.
Not true, in Scotland the LDs hate the SNP even more than the Tories and will still tactically vote Tory against the SNP if the LDs have no chance
"We hate you and despise you, you treacherous quislings, now vote for us" is not going to be a compelling sales pitch by the Tories to Remain supporters anywhere.
In England and Wales maybe, in Scotland though the SNP are even more nationalist than the Tories and Scottish LDs tend to be more rural than English LDs and more likely to vote Tory, even if only tactically. Scottish Tories are more pro Union than pro Brexit too
The only way for the Lib Dems to be 7poibts behind Blackford is if voters who voted Conservative in the last election, where the conservative came 2nd are now voting for the Lib Dem, who came third.
Not true. It is the most likely way, but there is also the possibility that in the Highlands voters are deserting the SNP masked by a further trend towards them in the central belt.
That is a fantasy
Why? Are you saying the Highlands with its huge number of English expats is a fertile hunting ground for the SNP?
In any case, I was saying it’s a possible alternative, not that it is what’s happening.
It is indeed , I was not rubbishing you , just don't think it is realistic.
It all went to shit for Labour in 1970 when England lost a world cup match they should have won.
That was not the world cup final and England were favourites then after their 1966 win, they were not before this rugby world cup and far more watch football than rugby
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
It was more of a gradual process over the course of the campaign as you can see on this page:
I liked my old mucker Casino Royale's betting suggestion yesterday of backing the Tories to win between 250 - 299 seats at decimal odds of 5.75 including Ladbrokes' 0.25 bonus. Such a result appears all too possible were things to go seriously pear-shaped for the Blue Team over the next 6 weeks, just as they did last time out. For those of us in the betting fraternity, it would be good if pearls of wisdom such as these could be highlighted in bold with a Bet of the Day caption or suchlike so that attractive opportunities are not overlooked.
Every post I'll make will be a Bet of the Day post.
For instance if that tweet HYUFD posted in the last thread is true and the Lib Dems are truly only 7 points behind Blackford IN Ross Skye and Lochabar then the Conservatives have lost West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine and you need to take a good hard look at Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
As both of those seats, like in Ross, the Con vote was powered by Lib Dem switchers.
Not true, in Scotland the LDs hate the SNP even more than the Tories and will still tactically vote Tory against the SNP if the LDs have no chance
"We hate you and despise you, you treacherous quislings, now vote for us" is not going to be a compelling sales pitch by the Tories to Remain supporters anywhere.
In England and Wales maybe, in Scotland though the SNP are even more nationalist than the Tories and Scottish LDs tend to be more rural than English LDs and more likely to vote Tory, even if only tactically. Scottish Tories are more pro Union than pro Brexit too
The only way for the Lib Dems to be 7poibts behind Blackford is if voters who voted Conservative in the last election, where the conservative came 2nd are now voting for the Lib Dem, who came third.
Not true. It is the most likely way, but there is also the possibility that in the Highlands voters are deserting the SNP masked by a further trend towards them in the central belt.
That is a fantasy
Why? Are you saying the Highlands with its huge number of English expats is a fertile hunting ground for the SNP?
In any case, I was saying it’s a possible alternative, not that it is what’s happening.
Surprise you how many English support the SNP and growing
If I were living in Scotland, I would now vote SNP. Independence is increasingly inevitable, might as well get on with it. Brexit has smashed the Union, even if A50 is revoked.
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
Moving on from the rugby, are there not any polls today?
Thanks for your early tip for SA
No drama. I should have bet myself last night! That’s when I got the feeling SA would do it. When every single pundit is calling it one way, dozens of them, something is wrong.
Also I read a telling stat. Every team that has beaten the All Blacks in a World Cup pre final has then failed to win the final. Beating the kiwis is so hard it takes something out of you.
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
I'll have a look, but the campaign was at least a week longer in 2017 so Corbyn is probably already behind.
The big Yougov poll from earlier this week had 44% of Labour Leavers from 2017 switching either to the Tories or TBP. Labour Leavers were about 10% of the voters, overall, in 2017, but in a constituency like Workington, the proportion would be much higher.
Workington is just the sort of seat that's very ripe to fall to the Tories in an election like this.
Sadly, I can't see any market up for it yet.
My model delivers it to the Tories on current polling. It could be one of the first CON gains from LAB of the night, could set the tone for a grim night for Labour.
What we have to remember is Workington population is only 25,000 out of a constituency of around 70,000. The rest I presume made up of small towns and villages. The tories can win the seat whilst still losing Workington proper.
And the same can be said of many other constituencies around the country.
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
Labour's support began to climb consistently as soon as the election was called. The Tories started to drop off steeply from about halfway through the campaign period.
Edit: talking here about the rolling average of published opinion polls.
I think the next leader of Lab will be Angela Rayner or Jess Philipps.
Rayner’s not much cop, and Philipps isn’t a certainty to hold her seat (although nor is she especially likely to lose it).
More seriously of course she has not slavishly subscribed to the cult of the Dear Leader.
I would be amazed if Phillips loses. I was born and bred in Birmingham and most of my family still live there (but not me). The attitude I hear again and again when talking politics is the old footie chant, 'He's (she) one of our own'. She will get votes simply for being an out and out Brummie - votes that no other candidate could take. It is not a Labour/Tory matter (although her willingness to attack Corbyn will not hurt). 15000 majority.
When we saw the opening NZ v SA I think most of us thought that one of those teams would become world champions and so it has come to pass. England did brilliantly to get to the final.
England played better against New Zealand last Saturday than I have ever seen an England rugby team play. A truly great side can repeat that level of performance game in and game out. England are not, yet, a truly great side. They have it in them to become a great one. But it will not happen without discipline being at the heart of everything.
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
It was about the time the Tories published their manifesto, iirc.
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
It was about the time the Tories published their manifesto, iirc.
It started with the social care debacle. especially when TM kept saying 'nothin has changed'
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
I think it was YouGov, fieldwork on 25/26 April with a 16-point lead compared to the previous 23-point lead. Assume poll published on 27th and that was 42 days before polling day.
I think the next leader of Lab will be Angela Rayner or Jess Philipps.
Rayner’s not much cop, and Philipps isn’t a certainty to hold her seat (although nor is she especially likely to lose it).
More seriously of course she has not slavishly subscribed to the cult of the Dear Leader.
I would be amazed if Phillips loses. I was born and bred in Birmingham and most of my family still live there (but not me). The attitude I hear again and again when talking politics is the old footie chant, 'He's (she) one of our own'. She will get votes simply for being an out and out Brummie - votes that no other candidate could take. It is not a Labour/Tory matter (although her willingness to attack Corbyn will not hurt). 15000 majority.
Jess Phillips would be a popular choice with the public but she needs to tone down the " it's all about me, me, me!
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
I think it was YouGov, fieldwork on 25/26 April with a 16-point lead compared to the previous 23-point lead. Assume poll published on 27th and that was 42 days before polling day.
We are 40 days from polling day.
So it should start around now. Hmm. Makes for a nervy week.
I liked my old mucker Casino Royale's betting suggestion yesterday of backing the Tories to win between 250 - 299 seats at decimal odds of 5.75 including Ladbrokes' 0.25 bonus. Such ith a Bet of the Day caption or suchlike so that attractive opportunities are not overlooked.
Every post I'll make will be a Bet of the Day post.
For instance if that tweet HYUFD posted in the last thread is true and the Lib Dems are truly only 7 points behind Blackford IN Ross Skye and Lochabar then the Conservatives have lost West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine and you need to take a good hard look at Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
As both of those seats, like in Ross, the Con vote was powered by Lib Dem switchers.
Not true, in Scotland the LDs hate the SNP even more than the Tories and will still tactically vote Tory against the SNP if the LDs have no chance
"We hate you and despise you, you treacherous quislings, now vote for us" is not going to be a compelling sales pitch by the Tories to Remain supporters anywhere.
In England and Wales maybe, in Scotland though han pro Brexit too
The only way for the Lib Dems to be 7poibts behind Blackford is if voters who voted Conservative in the last election, where the conservative came 2nd are now voting for the Lib Dem, who came third.
Not true. It is the most likely way, but there is also the possibility that in the Highlands voters are deserting the SNP masked by a further trend towards them in the central belt.
That is a fantasy
Why? Are you saying the Highlands with its huge number of English expats is a fertile hunting ground for the SNP?
In any case, I was saying it’s a possible alternative, not that it is what’s happening.
Surprise you how many English support the SNP and growing
If I were living in Scotland, I would now vote SNP. Independence is increasingly inevitable, might as well get on with it. Brexit has smashed the Union, even if A50 is revoked.
Of course you would because you put stopping Brexit above the Union, there is no clear polling evidence the Union would end without No Deal which the Boris Deal avoids but you are more loyal to Brussels than you are to English and Welsh Leave areas
I think the next leader of Lab will be Angela Rayner or Jess Philipps.
Rayner’s not much cop, and Philipps isn’t a certainty to hold her seat (although nor is she especially likely to lose it).
More seriously of course she has not slavishly subscribed to the cult of the Dear Leader.
I would be amazed if Phillips loses. I was born and bred in Birmingham and most of my family still live there (but not me). The attitude I hear again and again when talking politics is the old footie chant, 'He's (she) one of our own'. She will get votes simply for being an out and out Brummie - votes that no other candidate could take. It is not a Labour/Tory matter (although her willingness to attack Corbyn will not hurt). 15000 majority.
Jess Phillips would be a popular choice with the public but she needs to tone down the " it's all about me, me, me!
I agree - but that is not relevant to her reelection chances. She is one of the safest bets amongst Labour MPs.
I think the next leader of Lab will be Angela Rayner or Jess Philipps.
Rayner’s not much cop, and Philipps isn’t a certainty to hold her seat (although nor is she especially likely to lose it).
More seriously of course she has not slavishly subscribed to the cult of the Dear Leader.
I would be amazed if Phillips loses. I was born and bred in Birmingham and most of my family still live there (but not me). The attitude I hear again and again when talking politics is the old footie chant, 'He's (she) one of our own'. She will get votes simply for being an out and out Brummie - votes that no other candidate could take. It is not a Labour/Tory matter (although her willingness to attack Corbyn will not hurt). 15000 majority.
Jess Phillips would be a popular choice with the public but she needs to tone down the " it's all about me, me, me!
When we saw the opening NZ v SA I think most of us thought that one of those teams would become world champions and so it has come to pass. England did brilliantly to get to the final.
England played better against New Zealand last Saturday than I have ever seen an England rugby team play. A truly great side can repeat that level of performance game in and game out. England are not, yet, a truly great side. They have it in them to become a great one. But it will not happen without discipline being at the heart of everything.
Possibly. In which case, they'll peak in the next couple of years and be in decline again come the next World Cup. It's all so horribly predictable.
Looking on the bright side, that Workington poll looks suspiciously like the Tories standing still whilst Labour Leavers deserting to the Brexit Party hand them the seat on a plate. If that happens in enough places then perhaps Labour won't do as well as I currently fear? One can but hope.
England still in the Rugby world cup final for only the 2nd time under the Tories
They won it under Labour.
They won it in 2014 under the Coalition.
No, they didn't. Only in 2003.
The lesson, of course, is that England only win rugby and football world cups when there is an electable Labour party. Yet anotger reason to detest Jeremy Corbyn!!
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
It was more of a gradual process over the course of the campaign as you can see on this page:
I would time it as the point of Labours leaked and rather bodged manifesto launch. At first I though it incompetent, but it caught the zeitgeist and got people talking about non Brexit issues.
He's an absolute twat. Obviously Boris won't promise a no deal Brexit when he already has a deal lined up, and it's not even a reasonable demand - what will be infuriating for the Tories is how many of their supporters will just see 'Boris rejects Farage' and be put out by it. The positive for Boris is fewer of his MPs are lapping at Farage's feet as usually are.
David Cameron and Theresa May won world cups during their Premierships, Boris Johnson's got the reverse Midas touch.
What world cup was won under Cameron?
The World T20 in 2010.
Not the main cricket world cup
Baseball (white ball) cricket is irrelevant. Only tests are real cricket. Just look at all those white ball sloggers who fail in proper cricket because they have no shot selection of ability to defend.
England still in the Rugby world cup final for only the 2nd time under the Tories
They won it under Labour.
They won it in 2014 under the Coalition.
No, they didn't. Only in 2003.
The lesson, of course, is that England only win rugby and football world cups when there is an electable Labour party. Yet anotger reason to detest Jeremy Corbyn!!
Try again.
There is no reason Women's World Cups are not counted in this silly game of how many were won under the Tories or Labour.
Tory Swinson decided to stand down in Beaconsfield to leave the way open to former Tory remainer Dominic Grieve. However, she's standing a candidate against remainer Labour MP Rosie Duffield who's majority is only 187 over the Tories. Senseless, until you realise #TorySwinsonIsATory
At what point in 2017 - ie how many weeks before the election - did Corbyn start his resurgence? That’s the pattern we should be looking for. If he’s gonna do it again he needs an exact repeat.
I think it was YouGov, fieldwork on 25/26 April with a 16-point lead compared to the previous 23-point lead. Assume poll published on 27th and that was 42 days before polling day.
We are 40 days from polling day.
So it should start around now. Hmm. Makes for a nervy week.
In their favour they don't start so far behind the Tories, and gains by the Lib Dems and SNP will mean that a small swing to the Tories will still leave them short of a majority. So there's a bit of leeway.
There will probably be enough polls published in the Sunday papers tomorrow that one of them, randomly, will have good news for Labour. Pretty dire if that's not the case.
He's an absolute twat. Obviously Boris won't promise a no deal Brexit when he already has a deal lined up, and it's not even a reasonable demand - what will be infuriating for the Tories is how many of their supporters will just see 'Boris rejects Farage' and be put out by it. The positive for Boris is fewer of his MPs are lapping at Farage's feet as usually are.
Actually the widescale rejection of his position by the ERG and his actions have united the whole party against him. I understand his twitter feed is far from supportive and some of his MEPs are hostile to him
It would be amusing if some of his MEP's or candidates jump ship to the conservatives
Tory Swinson decided to stand down in Beaconsfield to leave the way open to former Tory remainer Dominic Grieve. However, she's standing a candidate against remainer Labour MP Rosie Duffield who's majority is only 187 over the Tories. Senseless, until you realise #TorySwinsonIsATory
Sometimes I wonder what is worse - the grunting trolls of Momentum or the drug addled entitled of Conservative HO.
There would not have been even if we had won, after England won in 2003 Blair got no bounce in 2005
This is during an election not 2 years before. Totally different. Johnson and Cummings were counting on a win for England and they will be extremely worried (with good reason) that it did not transpire. Worse, we got hammered. How many seats will it cost the Cons? Obviously it's hard to be precise but I would estimate 5 to 7, which could be the difference between a Tory majority and a hung parliament.
I think the next leader of Lab will be Angela Rayner or Jess Philipps.
Rayner’s not much cop, and Philipps isn’t a certainty to hold her seat (although nor is she especially likely to lose it).
More seriously of course she has not slavishly subscribed to the cult of the Dear Leader.
I would be amazed if Phillips loses. I was born and bred in Birmingham and most of my family still live there (but not me). The attitude I hear again and again when talking politics is the old footie chant, 'He's (she) one of our own'. She will get votes simply for being an out and out Brummie - votes that no other candidate could take. It is not a Labour/Tory matter (although her willingness to attack Corbyn will not hurt). 15000 majority.
Jess Phillips would be a popular choice with the public but she needs to tone down the " it's all about me, me, me!
Doesnt seem to do political leaders any harm nowadays to be narcissists. Not saying she is one but voters seem to prefer personality over substance. And it doesnt even have to a principled, likeable or wise personality, just a clear personality.
Tory Swinson decided to stand down in Beaconsfield to leave the way open to former Tory remainer Dominic Grieve. However, she's standing a candidate against remainer Labour MP Rosie Duffield who's majority is only 187 over the Tories. Senseless, until you realise #TorySwinsonIsATory
Swinson isn’t a Tory and corbyn is your problem not Swinson.
There would not have been even if we had won, after England won in 2003 Blair got no bounce in 2005
This is during an election not 2 years before. Totally different. Johnson and Cummings were counting on a win for England and they will be extremely worried (with good reason) that it did not transpire. Worse, we got hammered. How many seats will it cost the Cons? Obviously it's hard to be precise but I would estimate 5 to 7, which could be the difference between a Tory majority and a hung parliament.
I don’t think the Conservatives (can we still call them that?) are complacent at all, HS2 and Fracking cancelled, bigger splurge on NHS, Working poor and police than Labour can find the money for, AND tax cuts, they are throwing the kitchen sink at it.
If the Tories win a majority this time Corbyn Labour will be crushed, if they stick with another Corbynista or with Corbyn the LDs (maybe under Chuka) will overtake them as the main anti Tory party so there will be no Corbynista Government, there may not even be a Corbynista Leader of the Opposition
Two things this election is supposed to put to bed. Brexit. And threat of Corbyn government. It does neither.
This isn’t election on brexit deal, just WA and PD. The next phase of negotiation is even more hard ball, more controversial decisions needed to achieve agreement, more brexit brexit all over news, for years to come. Selling this as end to it and can move on with domestic agenda could soon be exposed as a whopping lie.
If Corbyn stands down it’s more likely a Long Bailey opposition government than Owen Jones clone Pidcock. What does this opposition have to do to win power? Maybe nothing, if the government parties ratings go through the floor. And the way Cummings and Boris have gone about it since the summer it is easy to imagine a Boris majority government becoming unpopular in coming years, trying to live up to the promise and the hype, not just of brexit but their one nation domestic agenda too.
It is hard to see what the Tories have to offer "Workington Man" post Brexit. This may be a cursed election victory like 1992, that leads to the Tories being in opposition for a generation.
It should be, but much will depend on how Labour reacts.
The rather alarming truth is, bad as Corbyn is, he is certainly in the top three among left-wing candidates in terms of ability and the two ahead of him - Macdonnell and Trickett - are not much younger than he is.
Can you, for instance, imagine how Labour will fare under a woman so incompetent her own colleagues nicknamed her Rebecca Wrong Daily?
Probably none too badly. Most Labour voters would still vote Labour if it were led by an actual circus clown, complete with red nose and squirty flower.
This election might prove that not to be true. Every election since 2010 has produced a result that nobody predicted. Labour had an unprecedented nearly 10 point increase during the campaign in its share last time out. It could have just as big a surprise move in the other direction. If the Tories can poll in single figures in the Euros, absolutely anything can happen.
Fantastic result in the rugby! When I first did a job there in 1993 out of a crew of 40 we had one black person who was assistant to the caterer. This is just a brilliant result for a country that I wish all the best for.
As for England we are spared the sight of Johnson greeting the English team at Downing Street would have made most decent people want to retch.
Tory Swinson decided to stand down in Beaconsfield to leave the way open to former Tory remainer Dominic Grieve. However, she's standing a candidate against remainer Labour MP Rosie Duffield who's majority is only 187 over the Tories. Senseless, until you realise #TorySwinsonIsATory
If you want LDs to be willing to vote tactically or even stand down, then perhaps pouring a stream of abuse at them is counter productive.
I'd rather be in the lead... but it is a hell of a lot more fun being the underdog, even a heroic defeat can feel like victory...
It may be my sunny disposition but I see only upside from here.
Even the worst case scenario, Johnson wins big. Long term probably great for Labour, terrible for the country in the short term but the more people turn against the Tories the better things get in the longer term. Even in a worst case scenario Corbyn has secured Labour as a left wing party, got rid of some truly terrible MPs and made things far easier for his successor.
Tis always darkest before the dawn, with any luck that light will start breaking through before the 12th of December but even if it doesn't it will just shine all the brighter when it does break through. So just embrace the darkness.
People posting in this thread 100% sure the corbynista project doesn’t continue after corbyn all the way to a corbynista government 2025. They are wrong aren’t they? The Conservative strategy under Cummings and Boris proves this mistake doesn’t it, because it’s one thing to be able to win an election with divisiveness but another thing to be able to successfully govern with this approach.
The Tories are heading to the hard right, that is absolutely clear and after the next GE those sitting next to and behind Johnson in the Commons will prove it. The Tories are the party of Patel, Rees Mogg and Raab now: viciously right wing, instinctively English nationalist. That’s why Johnson will be the last Tory PM to win a general election. But Labour has done so much to alienate its traditional and potential supporters that it will be very tough to win them back. The second places the LDs secure next month could be very significant if Labour chooses another far left leader when Corbyn does eventually stand down.
So we are looking at a generation of lib dem control then?
Once the UK breaks-up - as it will - I can see the LDs in power in England for quite a while, yes.
No.
If UK continues it’s decline in the world, increasingly like a third world country with extremes between rich and poor and increased volatility in living standards in between those extremes, which seems almost certain considering post industrial with huge demographic time bomb, and how our cowardly safety first politics missed the bus transforming our economy and revolutionising our tax system, (death/dementia tax, HS2 anyone?) then it is this culture that will shape the politics. If this is the culture you won’t be able to escape it’s impact on politics drift away from centre governments to proper right left battle.
There would not have been even if we had won, after England won in 2003 Blair got no bounce in 2005
This is during an election not 2 years before. Totally different. Johnson and Cummings were counting on a win for England and they will be extremely worried (with good reason) that it did not transpire. Worse, we got hammered. How many seats will it cost the Cons? Obviously it's hard to be precise but I would estimate 5 to 7, which could be the difference between a Tory majority and a hung parliament.
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For once Ave It’s “Con Gain Everything!!!!!!!!!” looks set to be borne out on Election Day
LOL.
Hopefully the renowned Ave it election projections which will appear here soon will be more reliable 😠
instead you hear comments like "useless wankers"
You deserve it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_United_Kingdom_general_election#2017
First by-election
First 5 votes in parliament
Majority
2 Court cases
World Cup
Why do Brexiteers think this loser can win anything?
Completed deserved Saffers win, can't complain.
And nothing to do with politics for once
Also I read a telling stat. Every team that has beaten the All Blacks in a World Cup pre final has then failed to win the final. Beating the kiwis is so hard it takes something out of you.
1st half narrowly beaten. 2nd half absolutely capitulated
And the same can be said of many other constituencies around the country.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1190578136800514048
I dont think will hurt BoJo, rather it will make him look moderate and reasonable
Edit: talking here about the rolling average of published opinion polls.
When we saw the opening NZ v SA I think most of us thought that one of those teams would become world champions and so it has come to pass. England did brilliantly to get to the final.
England played better against New Zealand last Saturday than I have ever seen an England rugby team play. A truly great side can repeat that level of performance game in and game out. England are not, yet, a truly great side. They have it in them to become a great one. But it will not happen without discipline being at the heart of everything.
Tip of the Day...should have put more on...
England
What a bunch of pansies
We are 40 days from polling day.
So it should start around now. Hmm. Makes for a nervy week.
The fact we beat Australia in the final made it even sweeter.
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1190580636651851777
hmm - poor woman - she feels the pain of ordinary people
Looking on the bright side, that Workington poll looks suspiciously like the Tories standing still whilst Labour Leavers deserting to the Brexit Party hand them the seat on a plate. If that happens in enough places then perhaps Labour won't do as well as I currently fear? One can but hope.
The lesson, of course, is that England only win rugby and football world cups when there is an electable Labour party. Yet anotger reason to detest Jeremy Corbyn!!
This was the moment it became real though:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/21/jeremy-corbyn-music-festival-tranmere-rovers-ground-video
It is after all rugby football union.
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1190583113220538370?s=20
There is no reason Women's World Cups are not counted in this silly game of how many were won under the Tories or Labour.
https://twitter.com/brianmoore666/status/1190381530138521601
There will probably be enough polls published in the Sunday papers tomorrow that one of them, randomly, will have good news for Labour. Pretty dire if that's not the case.
Similar to Andy Murray being asked to comment on being the first person to win Wimbledon and the Oplympic gold in the same year!
It would be amusing if some of his MEP's or candidates jump ship to the conservatives
As for England we are spared the sight of Johnson greeting the English team at Downing Street would have made most decent people want to retch.
If UK continues it’s decline in the world, increasingly like a third world country with extremes between rich and poor and increased volatility in living standards in between those extremes, which seems almost certain considering post industrial with huge demographic time bomb, and how our cowardly safety first politics missed the bus transforming our economy and revolutionising our tax system, (death/dementia tax, HS2 anyone?) then it is this culture that will shape the politics. If this is the culture you won’t be able to escape it’s impact on politics drift away from centre governments to proper right left battle.