There is, however, on this very thread, a specific and particularly good example of "stupid point made in intelligent style" - will not name and shame.
There is, however, on this very thread, a specific and particularly good example of "stupid point made in intelligent style" - will not name and shame.
What matters is the number of voters who didn’t vote for you last time who are prepared to consider doing so this time. For Labour, that means they can never win the seat. Indeed a lot of the voters who plumped for them last time are already looking elsewhere.
It is time that Labour got real. There isn’t going to be a majority Labour Government, ever, again.
Not you as well, Ian. Usually so calm and reasonable. Truly remarkable final sentence! We only need about 50 more seats than now. Few years of Blondie and Brexit, new leader with new appeal, and you say no chance of winning? C'mon.
Labour’s coalition of the white working class, ethnic minorities, and the educated intelligentsia, is broken, and can’t be reassembled. Time to face facts.
What matters is the number of voters who didn’t vote for you last time who are prepared to consider doing so this time. For Labour, that means they can never win the seat. Indeed a lot of the voters who plumped for them last time are already looking elsewhere.
It is time that Labour got real. There isn’t going to be a majority Labour Government, ever, again.
Not you as well, Ian. Usually so calm and reasonable. Truly remarkable final sentence! We only need about 50 more seats than now. Few years of Blondie and Brexit, new leader with new appeal, and you say no chance of winning? C'mon.
Labour’s coalition of the white working class, ethnic minorities, and the educated intelligentsia, is broken, and can’t be reassembled. Time to face facts.
That's opinion, hope, and rationalisation, not fact. When GE2017 was called and the Tories were at ~45% to Labour's ~25% in the polls, were you predicting a large Tory majority in the Commons?
Labour’s coalition of the white working class, ethnic minorities, and the educated intelligentsia, is broken, and can’t be reassembled. Time to face facts.
Perhaps, but there could be a new synthesis. I wonder if you are going Lib Dem crazy because there is an election on? Understandable, I guess, if so. And TBF I myself am trying to drop all objectivity and be super partisan until Dec 12th.
What matters is the number of voters who didn’t vote for you last time who are prepared to consider doing so this time. For Labour, that means they can never win the seat. Indeed a lot of the voters who plumped for them last time are already looking elsewhere.
It is time that Labour got real. There isn’t going to be a majority Labour Government, ever, again.
Not you as well, Ian. Usually so calm and reasonable. Truly remarkable final sentence! We only need about 50 more seats than now. Few years of Blondie and Brexit, new leader with new appeal, and you say no chance of winning? C'mon.
Labour’s coalition of the white working class, ethnic minorities, and the educated intelligentsia, is broken, and can’t be reassembled. Time to face facts.
you could have said the same about the tories in 1997. all it takes is a leadership who is willing, and able, to drag the party into a position which appeals beyond the base membership. not easy but doable
This thread is in the same position as Casino Royale, after Live And Let Die was published.
Interestingly, these were the 1st 2 books but neither were made into films until later on in the franchise. Even more interestingly, both were debuts for the respective leading actors, LALD being Roger Moore's in the early 70s and Casino that of Daniel Craig in the mid noughties. This is to ignore - as one must - the spoof Casino Royale with David Niven which came even before Connery and the very 1st Bond film proper, Dr No.
Is that like a bail bond, to be paid by people rich enough to be considered a flight risk before they travel abroad?
It isn't, but that is perhaps better than my policy. Even though my one does solve both the pensions crunch and the government debt crisis at a single stroke.
What matters is the number of voters who didn’t vote for you last time who are prepared to consider doing so this time. For Labour, that means they can never win the seat. Indeed a lot of the voters who plumped for them last time are already looking elsewhere.
It is time that Labour got real. There isn’t going to be a majority Labour Government, ever, again.
Not you as well, Ian. Usually so calm and reasonable. Truly remarkable final sentence! We only need about 50 more seats than now. Few years of Blondie and Brexit, new leader with new appeal, and you say no chance of winning? C'mon.
Labour’s coalition of the white working class, ethnic minorities, and the educated intelligentsia, is broken, and can’t be reassembled. Time to face facts.
I am not sure I buy that. The white working class is nowhere near as white as it used to be. I'm as Anglo-Saxon as they come but I find that in big family gatherings there are muslims, Jews and even some French people to whom I am related. The educated intelligentsia are all broke. And ethnic minorities aren't quite as Labour as they were, but that's still the default setting. Older working class people are drifting away but old people in general are. I think that's the reason so many 'northern heartlands' are apparently deserting the Tories. The youngsters are as Labour as ever but have moved elsewhere to get jobs that sound a lot more middle class than what therr parents did, but still contrive to not pay very much. So I'd say the Labour tribe is still intact and available to be mobilised.
Brilliant & cogent piece- 10/10 and agrees with all the best like Prof Curtice , The British Election study, Electoral Calculus , Observer's Andrew Rawnsey reminding us that no Lab leader has ever won on such negative ratings + perceived economic recklessness . Labour has failed our nation and our people because it has no centre left leader ready to help queen & country just another 5 yrs of the most Nationalist Right Wing government ever.
Corbyn's 'toxicity' will be blasted at the Brexit Tabloid and quality press readers be it terrorism, Commie agents, Venezuela , indifference to ISIS intervention following ISIS slaughters, isolationism, indifference to gassed kids in Syria pro-Putin, anti-NATO, anti-US, antisemitism, 1980s class war, only saying workers not employees, anti-business, gov. inexperience , weak communication skills, weak grasp of economics, weak grasp of UK/European trade , sitting on Brexit fence, no degree or proper Higher Education, Stalinist advisers at his top table etc
Labour has committed its worse error in political history hence why one top professor has predicted its worse results since very early 20th century. Tony was so correct back in 2016 Corbyn is to lead Lab off a cliff edge.
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There is, however, on this very thread, a specific and particularly good example of "stupid point made in intelligent style" - will not name and shame.
Although I'm not sure whether proposing a BBC porn channel is PC enough for Labour.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/new-conservative-parliamentary-candidate-rushcliffe-3436768
It isn't, but that is perhaps better than my policy. Even though my one does solve both the pensions crunch and the government debt crisis at a single stroke.
, The British Election study, Electoral Calculus , Observer's Andrew Rawnsey reminding us that no Lab leader has ever won on such negative ratings + perceived economic recklessness . Labour has failed our nation and our people because it has no centre left leader ready to help queen & country just another 5 yrs of the most Nationalist Right Wing government ever.
Corbyn's 'toxicity' will be blasted at the Brexit Tabloid and quality press readers be it terrorism, Commie agents, Venezuela , indifference to ISIS intervention following ISIS slaughters, isolationism, indifference to gassed kids in Syria pro-Putin, anti-NATO, anti-US, antisemitism, 1980s class war, only saying workers not employees, anti-business, gov. inexperience , weak communication skills, weak grasp of economics, weak grasp of UK/European trade , sitting on Brexit fence, no degree or proper Higher Education, Stalinist advisers at his top table etc
Labour has committed its worse error in political history hence why one top professor has predicted its worse results since very early 20th century. Tony was so correct back in 2016 Corbyn is to lead Lab off a cliff edge.