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I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.Foxy said:
I agree on stagnation across the West, but it will be worse here because of Brexit. Our main export markets will also be stagnant.another_richard said:
It seems to be rather vague on data and big on casual extrapolations plus I didn't see any mention of how exports have been boosted by the change in sterling value.Foxy said:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/002795011925000103another_richard said:
I'm curious as to where this 2.5% of extra growth would be.Foxy said:
According to the article cited we have already lost 2.5% of growth over the last 42 months, losing a further 3.5% over the next 120 months seems quite a cautious prediction. No doubt we will see.
I don't expect a Brexit induced economic slump, just a slow grinding corrosive economic stagnation.
Certainly not in manufacturing or anything else export oriented as the exchange rate would be less competitive.
I can't see construction being in any more than a boom than it has been and government services would be no different to what they have been.
So that leaves an even bigger consumption bubble - more spending on more imports.
And that together with the absence of the hundreds of billions of extra exports we've had in that period would have led to a monumental balance of payments crisis.
Of course pretty much all large western economies have struggled for growth in the last 18 months so I don't see why the UK would have done better than any of them as is apparently claimed.
Is the relevant article. Fig 2 is the graph in question, so read the surrounding text.
I really doubt the increased business investment the report bigs up would have happened - a look at bond yields shows that there is a general malaise in that area.
I suspect the brutal truth is that the western world is in for a long period of low growth.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.0 -
I assume you’re volunteering to take the hit and lose your house and job?another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.Foxy said:
I agree on stagnation across the West, but it will be worse here because of Brexit. Our main export markets will also be stagnant.another_richard said:
It seems to be rather vague on data and big on casual extrapolations plus I didn't see any mention of how exports have been boosted by the change in sterling value.Foxy said:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/002795011925000103another_richard said:
I'm curious as to where this 2.5% of extra growth would be.Foxy said:
According to the article cited we have already lost 2.5% of growth over the last 42 months, losing a further 3.5% over the next 120 months seems quite a cautious prediction. No doubt we will see.
I don't expect a Brexit induced economic slump, just a slow grinding corrosive economic stagnation.
Certainly not in manufacturing or anything else export oriented as the exchange rate would be less competitive.
I can't see construction being in any more than a boom than it has been and government services would be no different to what they have been.
So that leaves an even bigger consumption bubble - more spending on more imports.
And that together with the absence of the hundreds of billions of extra exports we've had in that period would have led to a monumental balance of payments crisis.
Of course pretty much all large western economies have struggled for growth in the last 18 months so I don't see why the UK would have done better than any of them as is apparently claimed.
Is the relevant article. Fig 2 is the graph in question, so read the surrounding text.
I really doubt the increased business investment the report bigs up would have happened - a look at bond yields shows that there is a general malaise in that area.
I suspect the brutal truth is that the western world is in for a long period of low growth.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.0 -
If we are to meet certain disaster eventually isnt it better that there is a different almost permanent state beforehand!?another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.Foxy said:
I agree on stagnation across the West, but it will be worse here because of Brexit. Our main export markets will also be stagnant.another_richard said:
It seems to be rather vague on data and big on casual extrapolations plus I didn't see any mention of how exports have been boosted by the change in sterling value.Foxy said:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/002795011925000103another_richard said:
I'm curious as to where this 2.5% of extra growth would be.Foxy said:
According to the article cited we have already lost 2.5% of growth over the last 42 months, losing a further 3.5% over the next 120 months seems quite a cautious prediction. No doubt we will see.
I don't expect a Brexit induced economic slump, just a slow grinding corrosive economic stagnation.
Certainly not in manufacturing or anything else export oriented as the exchange rate would be less competitive.
I can't see construction being in any more than a boom than it has been and government services would be no different to what they have been.
So that leaves an even bigger consumption bubble - more spending on more imports.
And that together with the absence of the hundreds of billions of extra exports we've had in that period would have led to a monumental balance of payments crisis.
Of course pretty much all large western economies have struggled for growth in the last 18 months so I don't see why the UK would have done better than any of them as is apparently claimed.
Is the relevant article. Fig 2 is the graph in question, so read the surrounding text.
I really doubt the increased business investment the report bigs up would have happened - a look at bond yields shows that there is a general malaise in that area.
I suspect the brutal truth is that the western world is in for a long period of low growth.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.0 -
Alistair said:
Plenty of economists in 2006 were predicting a massive housing crash in America.Stocky said:Omnium said: "The Economists have been lost-in-space for ages anyway. So far as I can tell every model is basically 'under review'. Actual economic modelling that people believed in went by the wayside in 2008."
No it didn`t - this is what behavioural economists want you to believe.
Economists knew a crash at some point was probable due to deregulation of financial markets - humans are greedy and self-interested - but it is unreasonable to expect economists to have forecasted the timing of the crash.
Some certainly. I'm not sure many established economists did so, and if I was a young economist I'd chance my arm on pretty much anything.Alistair said:
Plenty of economists in 2006 were predicting a massive housing crash in America.Stocky said:Omnium said: "The Economists have been lost-in-space for ages anyway. So far as I can tell every model is basically 'under review'. Actual economic modelling that people believed in went by the wayside in 2008."
No it didn`t - this is what behavioural economists want you to believe.
Economists knew a crash at some point was probable due to deregulation of financial markets - humans are greedy and self-interested - but it is unreasonable to expect economists to have forecasted the timing of the crash.0 -
Will Arcuri be doing any poles during this election?0
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Diwali was back on Sunday 27th.DecrepitJohnL said:
Diwali then the rest, though it is Diwali, November the fifth and New Year which have fireworks.another_richard said:Fireworks have started.
I think there will come a time when the year will have one event immediately following the previous.
We already have Halloween to Guy Fawkes to Remembrance to Black Friday to Christmas to New Year to Valentines to Mothers Day to Easter.
The Americans already do have more-or-less what you describe, which I gather is the reason they say "happy holidays" and not PC, or not just PC. Our bank holidays are concentrated in the spring, America's are now-ish.0 -
Every day is Halloween in the Trump WH.HYUFD said:
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The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
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I don't claim to speak for all Jews and try to caveat as much as possible for those ends ("many of us", "most Jews") etc. But the polls are very clear where the majority of Jewish people stand with regards Labour. 93% opposition for a demographic that historically voted Labour and 40% considering emigration speaks volumes.NickPalmer said:
I'm Jewish, though non-practising, and a former national executive member of Labour Friends of Israel. I think you are applying different criteria to the party leader you prefer. Corbyn absolutely hasn't vilified Jews (as a whole or in part) and your interpretation of the picaninnies comment is, well, generous to a fault.Gabs2 said:
I find the Picanninies comment to have been mocking the mindset of British officials visiting Africa rather than stating his own views. And he has apologised for it. The pillar box comments were crass but were describing the most misogynistic clothing. It was not vilifying Muslims as a whole.
But, more to the point, I think you shouldn't portray yourself as speaking for all of us who happen to be of Jewish descent - we have a right to decide differently about these things, and it plays into the hands of real anti-semites if any of us pretend that we all think the same way, just as self-appointed "community leaders" do their communities a disservice if they imply that they speak for the political opinions of thousands of people who happen to be of the same ethnic background. They don't, and nor do we.
As for criteria, no-one on the Tory side has done anything close to going to a remembrance service for a terrorist that slaughtered Jewish civilians in cold blood. And he knew it was wrong at the time, which is why he tried to come under the expense guidelines to avoid scrutiny. Then we have the repeated interventions from Corbyn's office into protecting those who have said and done anti-Semitic things, which is still going on.0 -
I'm already doing the living within my means and creating some wealth bit so I get a passGallowgate said:
I assume you’re volunteering to take the hit and lose your house and job?another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.Foxy said:
I agree on stagnation across the West, but it will be worse here because of Brexit. Our main export markets will also be stagnant.another_richard said:
It seems to be rather vague on data and big on casual extrapolations plus I didn't see any mention of how exports have been boosted by the change in sterling value.Foxy said:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/002795011925000103another_richard said:
I'm curious as to where this 2.5% of extra growth would be.Foxy said:
According to the article cited we have already lost 2.5% of growth over the last 42 months, losing a further 3.5% over the next 120 months seems quite a cautious prediction. No doubt we will see.
I don't expect a Brexit induced economic slump, just a slow grinding corrosive economic stagnation.
Certainly not in manufacturing or anything else export oriented as the exchange rate would be less competitive.
I can't see construction being in any more than a boom than it has been and government services would be no different to what they have been.
So that leaves an even bigger consumption bubble - more spending on more imports.
And that together with the absence of the hundreds of billions of extra exports we've had in that period would have led to a monumental balance of payments crisis.
Of course pretty much all large western economies have struggled for growth in the last 18 months so I don't see why the UK would have done better than any of them as is apparently claimed.
Is the relevant article. Fig 2 is the graph in question, so read the surrounding text.
I really doubt the increased business investment the report bigs up would have happened - a look at bond yields shows that there is a general malaise in that area.
I suspect the brutal truth is that the western world is in for a long period of low growth.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
During the 2008 to 2010 period I had to take more than my fair share of chances and I likely will again when the next recession comes.0 -
Pretty much what Jezza was advocating today but with more radical environmental policies.another_richard said:
Out of genuine interest what sort of things would you do if you were in power ?SandyRentool said:Today's policy announcements by Jezza remind me why I voted for him in 2015.
Just a pity he doesn't have the leadership qualities to match the radical ideas.
It is a pity that we are going to do so badly, as the country could be so much better than it is going to be after 5 years of a Bozo majority government.
Eco-socialism, basically.0 -
Smell The GloveHYUFD said:0 -
Not if it the state beforehand isn't permanent but the disaster isnoneoftheabove said:
If we are to meet certain disaster eventually isnt it better that there is a different almost permanent state beforehand!?another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.Foxy said:
I agree on stagnation across the West, but it will be worse here because of Brexit. Our main export markets will also be stagnant.another_richard said:
It seems to be rather vague on data and big on casual extrapolations plus I didn't see any mention of how exports have been boosted by the change in sterling value.Foxy said:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/002795011925000103another_richard said:
I'm curious as to where this 2.5% of extra growth would be.Foxy said:
According to the article cited we have already lost 2.5% of growth over the last 42 months, losing a further 3.5% over the next 120 months seems quite a cautious prediction. No doubt we will see.
I don't expect a Brexit induced economic slump, just a slow grinding corrosive economic stagnation.
Certainly not in manufacturing or anything else export oriented as the exchange rate would be less competitive.
I can't see construction being in any more than a boom than it has been and government services would be no different to what they have been.
So that leaves an even bigger consumption bubble - more spending on more imports.
And that together with the absence of the hundreds of billions of extra exports we've had in that period would have led to a monumental balance of payments crisis.
Of course pretty much all large western economies have struggled for growth in the last 18 months so I don't see why the UK would have done better than any of them as is apparently claimed.
Is the relevant article. Fig 2 is the graph in question, so read the surrounding text.
I really doubt the increased business investment the report bigs up would have happened - a look at bond yields shows that there is a general malaise in that area.
I suspect the brutal truth is that the western world is in for a long period of low growth.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently. 0 -
It's not close though, is it? 83% of Jews do think Corbyn is personally Antisemitic. A greater number believe Labour tolerates higher levels of Antisemitism than any other party. Even if Corbyn hasn't "vilified Jews as a whole", he has laid wreaths for those who planned their murders, honoured those who wish a genocide against them as friends, and hosted in Parliament those who believe their bread is baked with the blood of gentiles.NickPalmer said:
I'm Jewish, though non-practising, and a former national executive member of Labour Friends of Israel. I think you are applying different criteria to the party leader you prefer. Corbyn absolutely hasn't vilified Jews (as a whole or in part) and your interpretation of the picaninnies comment is, well, generous to a fault.Gabs2 said:
I find the Picanninies comment to have been mocking the mindset of British officials visiting Africa rather than stating his own views. And he has apologised for it. The pillar box comments were crass but were describing the most misogynistic clothing. It was not vilifying Muslims as a whole.
But, more to the point, I think you shouldn't portray yourself as speaking for all of us who happen to be of Jewish descent - we have a right to decide differently about these things, and it plays into the hands of real anti-semites if any of us pretend that we all think the same way, just as self-appointed "community leaders" do their communities a disservice if they imply that they speak for the political opinions of thousands of people who happen to be of the same ethnic background. They don't, and nor do we.
The unluckiest anti-racist in England, as he's known.0 -
4.5 years, next election is May 2024 under FTPA.SandyRentool said:Today's policy announcements by Jezza remind me why I voted for him in 2015.
Just a pity he doesn't have the leadership qualities to match the radical ideas.
It is a pity that we are going to do so badly, as the country could be so much better than it is going to be after 5 years of a Bozo majority government.0 -
For US Americans "the holidays" are from thanksgiving to new year.DecrepitJohnL said:
Diwali then the rest, though it is Diwali, November the fifth and New Year which have fireworks.another_richard said:Fireworks have started.
I think there will come a time when the year will have one event immediately following the previous.
We already have Halloween to Guy Fawkes to Remembrance to Black Friday to Christmas to New Year to Valentines to Mothers Day to Easter.
The Americans already do have more-or-less what you describe, which I gather is the reason they say "happy holidays" and not PC, or not just PC. Our bank holidays are concentrated in the spring, America's are now-ish.
What we call holidays are vacation over there.
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With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.0 -
True , this is so staged re the deal . I expect we’ll have more manipulation as the campaign goes on .MaxPB said:Trump's criticism of the Bozza deal couldn't be more choreographed. Smart, though, as a few more outbursts against the deal from him and Labour can't use the Trump Brexit crap.
It's very obvious that this lot are streets ahead of the previous bunch wrt campaigning.0 -
If FTPA survives....Foxy said:
4.5 years, next election is May 2024 under FTPA.SandyRentool said:Today's policy announcements by Jezza remind me why I voted for him in 2015.
Just a pity he doesn't have the leadership qualities to match the radical ideas.
It is a pity that we are going to do so badly, as the country could be so much better than it is going to be after 5 years of a Bozo majority government.0 -
I'm quite in favour of a four day week for four days pay but I'm rather afraid I'd end up doing five days work in four days for four days pay.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
What is interesting about Thatcher's support for the single Market is that during the 1980s the UK tended to have a trade surplus and also had debt under control.
If the UK had continued that economic strategy the UK's relationship with the EU might have been very different.0 -
O/T - Energy prices have fallen over the summer and I last fixed my energy in july 2020. Just done a check because heavy gas usage upcoming and the gas unit price from my current supplier is 17.5% less now. Daily standing charge slightly lower as well. So estimated savings of 500 quids for me over previous fix.0
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Interesting point, thanks. If Boris had delayed the election until January the following GE wouldn't be until May 2025.Foxy said:
4.5 years, next election is May 2024 under FTPA.SandyRentool said:Today's policy announcements by Jezza remind me why I voted for him in 2015.
Just a pity he doesn't have the leadership qualities to match the radical ideas.
It is a pity that we are going to do so badly, as the country could be so much better than it is going to be after 5 years of a Bozo majority government.
Maybe a case of premature BJ election?0 -
No doubt us all moving to Mansfield or similar and renouncing fancy holidays is a key part of the plan.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.Foxy said:
I agree on stagnation across the West, but it will be worse here because of Brexit. Our main export markets will also be stagnant.another_richard said:
It seems to be rather vague on data and big on casual extrapolations plus I didn't see any mention of how exports have been boosted by the change in sterling value.Foxy said:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/002795011925000103another_richard said:
I'm curious as to where this 2.5% of extra growth would be.Foxy said:
According to the article cited we have already lost 2.5% of growth over the last 42 months, losing a further 3.5% over the next 120 months seems quite a cautious prediction. No doubt we will see.
I don't expect a Brexit induced economic slump, just a slow grinding corrosive economic stagnation.
Certainly not in manufacturing or anything else export oriented as the exchange rate would be less competitive.
I can't see construction being in any more than a boom than it has been and government services would be no different to what they have been.
So that leaves an even bigger consumption bubble - more spending on more imports.
And that together with the absence of the hundreds of billions of extra exports we've had in that period would have led to a monumental balance of payments crisis.
Of course pretty much all large western economies have struggled for growth in the last 18 months so I don't see why the UK would have done better than any of them as is apparently claimed.
Is the relevant article. Fig 2 is the graph in question, so read the surrounding text.
I really doubt the increased business investment the report bigs up would have happened - a look at bond yields shows that there is a general malaise in that area.
I suspect the brutal truth is that the western world is in for a long period of low growth.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.0 -
If he gets a big enough majority he may move it to a 10-15 year term like some of his nationalist leader chums.RobD said:
If FTPA survives....Foxy said:
4.5 years, next election is May 2024 under FTPA.SandyRentool said:Today's policy announcements by Jezza remind me why I voted for him in 2015.
Just a pity he doesn't have the leadership qualities to match the radical ideas.
It is a pity that we are going to do so badly, as the country could be so much better than it is going to be after 5 years of a Bozo majority government.0 -
Lol, it isn't just people taking the piss, the SCons are totally. Going to run a Ruth Davidson centric election campaign. You. Couldn't. Make. It. Up.
https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/general-election-2019-scottish-tories-referendum-free-period-voters-8231520 -
Your statement about who he laid Wreaths for is untrue.oldpolitics said:
It's not close though, is it? 83% of Jews do think Corbyn is personally Antisemitic. A greater number believe Labour tolerates higher levels of Antisemitism than any other party. Even if Corbyn hasn't "vilified Jews as a whole", he has laid wreaths for those who planned their murders, honoured those who wish a genocide against them as friends, and hosted in Parliament those who believe their bread is baked with the blood of gentiles.NickPalmer said:
I'm Jewish, though non-practising, and a former national executive member of Labour Friends of Israel. I think you are applying different criteria to the party leader you prefer. Corbyn absolutely hasn't vilified Jews (as a whole or in part) and your interpretation of the picaninnies comment is, well, generous to a fault.Gabs2 said:
I find the Picanninies comment to have been mocking the mindset of British officials visiting Africa rather than stating his own views. And he has apologised for it. The pillar box comments were crass but were describing the most misogynistic clothing. It was not vilifying Muslims as a whole.
But, more to the point, I think you shouldn't portray yourself as speaking for all of us who happen to be of Jewish descent - we have a right to decide differently about these things, and it plays into the hands of real anti-semites if any of us pretend that we all think the same way, just as self-appointed "community leaders" do their communities a disservice if they imply that they speak for the political opinions of thousands of people who happen to be of the same ethnic background. They don't, and nor do we.
The unluckiest anti-racist in England, as he's known.
Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.
While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis.0 -
He’ll be protected by his tinfoil hat and hair shirt.Gallowgate said:
I assume you’re volunteering to take the hit and lose your house and job?another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.Foxy said:
I agree on stagnation across the West, but it will be worse here because of Brexit. Our main export markets will also be stagnant.another_richard said:
It seems to be rather vague on data and big on casual extrapolations plus I didn't see any mention of how exports have been boosted by the change in sterling value.Foxy said:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/002795011925000103another_richard said:
I'm curious as to where this 2.5% of extra growth would be.Foxy said:
According to the article cited we have already lost 2.5% of growth over the last 42 months, losing a further 3.5% over the next 120 months seems quite a cautious prediction. No doubt we will see.
I don't expect a Brexit induced economic slump, just a slow grinding corrosive economic stagnation.
Certainly not in manufacturing or anything else export oriented as the exchange rate would be less competitive.
I can't see construction being in any more than a boom than it has been and government services would be no different to what they have been.
So that leaves an even bigger consumption bubble - more spending on more imports.
And that together with the absence of the hundreds of billions of extra exports we've had in that period would have led to a monumental balance of payments crisis.
Of course pretty much all large western economies have struggled for growth in the last 18 months so I don't see why the UK would have done better than any of them as is apparently claimed.
Is the relevant article. Fig 2 is the graph in question, so read the surrounding text.
I really doubt the increased business investment the report bigs up would have happened - a look at bond yields shows that there is a general malaise in that area.
I suspect the brutal truth is that the western world is in for a long period of low growth.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.0 -
And, of course, Cleverly used the old trope that Islamophobia is not racist because Islam is not a race. So regardless of the picaninnies comment, a leading Conservative has taken a line that is usually only seen from the likes of the old BNP. That the Conservative in question is himself from a minority shows how low they have sunk.Gabs2 said:
I don't claim to speak for all Jews and try to caveat as much as possible for those ends ("many of us", "most Jews") etc. But the polls are very clear where the majority of Jewish people stand with regards Labour. 93% opposition for a demographic that historically voted Labour and 40% considering emigration speaks volumes.NickPalmer said:
I'm Jewish, though non-practising, and a former national executive member of Labour Friends of Israel. I think you are applying different criteria to the party leader you prefer. Corbyn absolutely hasn't vilified Jews (as a whole or in part) and your interpretation of the picaninnies comment is, well, generous to a fault.Gabs2 said:
I find the Picanninies comment to have been mocking the mindset of British officials visiting Africa rather than stating his own views. And he has apologised for it. The pillar box comments were crass but were describing the most misogynistic clothing. It was not vilifying Muslims as a whole.
But, more to the point, I think you shouldn't portray yourself as speaking for all of us who happen to be of Jewish descent - we have a right to decide differently about these things, and it plays into the hands of real anti-semites if any of us pretend that we all think the same way, just as self-appointed "community leaders" do their communities a disservice if they imply that they speak for the political opinions of thousands of people who happen to be of the same ethnic background. They don't, and nor do we.
As for criteria, no-one on the Tory side has done anything close to going to a remembrance service for a terrorist that slaughtered Jewish civilians in cold blood. And he knew it was wrong at the time, which is why he tried to come under the expense guidelines to avoid scrutiny. Then we have the repeated interventions from Corbyn's office into protecting those who have said and done anti-Semitic things, which is still going on.
Neither Labour or Conservatives come out of the diverse racism issues with any credit. That the Conservatives were prepared to use a minority spokesman to defend the indefensible seems as bad as Corbyn's actions (or lack of them in his stalling of investigations).0 -
Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.0 -
You have no mortgage then? Of course, you probably don’t, having earned your house in Mansfield brick by brick.another_richard said:
I'm already doing the living within my means and creating some wealth bit so I get a passGallowgate said:
I assume you’re volunteering to take the hit and lose your house and job?another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.Foxy said:
I agree on stagnation across the West, but it will be worse here because of Brexit. Our main export markets will also be stagnant.another_richard said:
It seems to be rather vague on data and big on casual extrapolations plus I didn't see any mention of how exports have been boosted by the change in sterling value.Foxy said:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/002795011925000103another_richard said:
I'm curious as to where this 2.5% of extra growth would be.Foxy said:
According to the article cited we have already lost 2.5% of growth over the last 42 months, losing a further 3.5% over the next 120 months seems quite a cautious prediction. No doubt we will see.
I don't expect a Brexit induced economic slump, just a slow grinding corrosive economic stagnation.
Certainly not in manufacturing or anything else export oriented as the exchange rate would be less competitive.
I can't see construction being in any more than a boom than it has been and government services would be no different to what they have been.
So that leaves an even bigger consumption bubble - more spending on more imports.
And that together with the absence of the hundreds of billions of extra exports we've had in that period would have led to a monumental balance of payments crisis.
Of course pretty much all large western economies have struggled for growth in the last 18 months so I don't see why the UK would have done better than any of them as is apparently claimed.
Is the relevant article. Fig 2 is the graph in question, so read the surrounding text.
I really doubt the increased business investment the report bigs up would have happened - a look at bond yields shows that there is a general malaise in that area.
I suspect the brutal truth is that the western world is in for a long period of low growth.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
During the 2008 to 2010 period I had to take more than my fair share of chances and I likely will again when the next recession comes.0 -
Your regular reminder that multi-millionaire Boris Johnson once claimed expenses of £16.50 for a Remembrance Day wreath. And he claimed expenses of £237 for a 7 mile taxi ride.
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While both main parties prattle on about the end of austerity, the national debt is now upwards of 1.8trillion and 84% of GDP. This despite a so called decade of Tory cuts which actually increased the pile by 600billion.
Now we have grandad planning to spend an enormous wad on ruinous policies that will transform the UK into the next Venezuela. All 3 parties want to commit the country to Green suicide with loony Net Zero targets and we are supposed to thank our lucky stars that the good times are a coming (And i never even mentioned the B word)
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Which countries does he think should have billionaires?FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
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Why is living within our means so difficult these days?sirclive said:While both main parties prattle on about the end of austerity, the national debt is now upwards of 1.8trillion and 84% of GDP. This despite a so called decade of Tory cuts which actually increased the pile by 600billion.
Now we have grandad planning to spend an enormous wad on ruinous policies that will transform the UK into the next Venezuela. All 3 parties want to commit the country to Green suicide with loony Net Zero targets and we are supposed to thank our lucky stars that the good times are a coming (And i never even mentioned the B word)
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Give me 10,000 more UK billionaires.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
And I'll give you the NHS you really want.1 -
That's interesting.bigjohnowls said:Your regular reminder that multi-millionaire Boris Johnson once claimed expenses of £16.50 for a Remembrance Day wreath. And he claimed expenses of £237 for a 7 mile taxi ride.
That’s 7 miles in a taxi for the price of a weekend break in Europe.0 -
If the Conservatives end up once again as the largest party but with no overall majority - a prospect currently priced at around evens - Boris's deal will surely be dead.
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We'll all be billionaires under the inflation plans of John McDonnell.MarqueeMark said:
Give me 10,000 more UK billionaires.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
And I'll give you the NHS you really want.
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Was the taxi driver Jennifer Arcuri?bigjohnowls said:Your regular reminder that multi-millionaire Boris Johnson once claimed expenses of £16.50 for a Remembrance Day wreath. And he claimed expenses of £237 for a 7 mile taxi ride.
That’s 7 miles in a taxi for the price of a weekend break in Europe.
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A couple of days ago, yes, and given that it and bonfire night tend to get smeared out, in a good (or bad) year, you can get continuous fireworks for two or three weeks.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Diwali was back on Sunday 27th.DecrepitJohnL said:
Diwali then the rest, though it is Diwali, November the fifth and New Year which have fireworks.another_richard said:Fireworks have started.
I think there will come a time when the year will have one event immediately following the previous.
We already have Halloween to Guy Fawkes to Remembrance to Black Friday to Christmas to New Year to Valentines to Mothers Day to Easter.
The Americans already do have more-or-less what you describe, which I gather is the reason they say "happy holidays" and not PC, or not just PC. Our bank holidays are concentrated in the spring, America's are now-ish.
But this year, Diwali seemed more subdued than usual around here. Lots of fireworks in the sky but not setting the horizon ablaze.0 -
At least credit the tweet you are copy pasta-ing...Rachael from Swindon might get annoyed otherwise.bigjohnowls said:Your regular reminder that multi-millionaire Boris Johnson once claimed expenses of £16.50 for a Remembrance Day wreath. And he claimed expenses of £237 for a 7 mile taxi ride.
That’s 7 miles in a taxi for the price of a weekend break in Europe.0 -
Taxi is weird but what’s wrong with claiming back a wreath? If you’re mayor, and you never do, it could easily cost you hundreds or thousands.Ishmael_Z said:
That's interesting.bigjohnowls said:Your regular reminder that multi-millionaire Boris Johnson once claimed expenses of £16.50 for a Remembrance Day wreath. And he claimed expenses of £237 for a 7 mile taxi ride.
That’s 7 miles in a taxi for the price of a weekend break in Europe.0 -
We have expensive tastes, expecting that we are amongst the richest in the world ,an aging population, an above average but not exceptional education system and dont want the immigration needed to balance out the demographics or bring in the skills we are missing. Oh and we pissed a load of growth away searching for some unicorns.AndyJS said:
Why is living within our means so difficult these days?sirclive said:While both main parties prattle on about the end of austerity, the national debt is now upwards of 1.8trillion and 84% of GDP. This despite a so called decade of Tory cuts which actually increased the pile by 600billion.
Now we have grandad planning to spend an enormous wad on ruinous policies that will transform the UK into the next Venezuela. All 3 parties want to commit the country to Green suicide with loony Net Zero targets and we are supposed to thank our lucky stars that the good times are a coming (And i never even mentioned the B word)
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Because tax has been viewed as an evil to be reduced at every opportunity instead of the price we need to pay for living in a modern, civilised, free society with good facilities, infrastructure and public services.AndyJS said:
Why is living within our means so difficult these days?sirclive said:While both main parties prattle on about the end of austerity, the national debt is now upwards of 1.8trillion and 84% of GDP. This despite a so called decade of Tory cuts which actually increased the pile by 600billion.
Now we have grandad planning to spend an enormous wad on ruinous policies that will transform the UK into the next Venezuela. All 3 parties want to commit the country to Green suicide with loony Net Zero targets and we are supposed to thank our lucky stars that the good times are a coming (And i never even mentioned the B word)
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Halloween -- passed three or four groups of trick-or-treaters on my walk to the fish and chip shop. All Eastern European, it seemed, so I'm not sure if this is the creeping Americanisation of our holidays or just that halloween is big in the home of Dracula.0
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Lol.
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Boris Trumpton.
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Money won't do us any good if global warming accelerates. It's like saving on your bar bill on the Titanic.sirclive said:While both main parties prattle on about the end of austerity, the national debt is now upwards of 1.8trillion and 84% of GDP. This despite a so called decade of Tory cuts which actually increased the pile by 600billion.
Now we have grandad planning to spend an enormous wad on ruinous policies that will transform the UK into the next Venezuela. All 3 parties want to commit the country to Green suicide with loony Net Zero targets and we are supposed to thank our lucky stars that the good times are a coming (And i never even mentioned the B word)
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Translation into English please.Anabobazina said:Lol.
LBC
Boris Trumpton.
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And how will Brexit help?AndyJS said:
Why is living within our means so difficult these days?sirclive said:While both main parties prattle on about the end of austerity, the national debt is now upwards of 1.8trillion and 84% of GDP. This despite a so called decade of Tory cuts which actually increased the pile by 600billion.
Now we have grandad planning to spend an enormous wad on ruinous policies that will transform the UK into the next Venezuela. All 3 parties want to commit the country to Green suicide with loony Net Zero targets and we are supposed to thank our lucky stars that the good times are a coming (And i never even mentioned the B word)
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We'll be fitter as well, due to us pushing wheelbarrows full of cash to the shops.rottenborough said:
We'll all be billionaires under the inflation plans of John McDonnell.MarqueeMark said:
Give me 10,000 more UK billionaires.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
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Depends on the numbers. If Johnson still has, say, 310 MPs, then individual MPs can make all the difference. It would only need a handful of Labour rebels to stop any second referendum, assuming that the opposition parties could agree on a Prime Minister to replace Johnson with.Benpointer said:If the Conservatives end up once again as the largest party but with no overall majority - a prospect currently priced at around evens - Boris's deal will surely be dead.
Or am I missing something?
To decisively kill off Johnson's deal you have to have something implementable to replace it with. In a well hung Parliament you wouldn't have that, so Johnson's deal would remain alive, glowering in the corner, as the obvious quick way out of the mess.0 -
With them in spirit no doubt.Alistair said:Lol, it isn't just people taking the piss, the SCons are totally. Going to run a Ruth Davidson centric election campaign. You. Couldn't. Make. It. Up.
https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/general-election-2019-scottish-tories-referendum-free-period-voters-8231520 -
Ideally we’ll get several more interventions from Trumpton in favour of his Mini Me.0
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When will @williamglen be getting his winnings from SeanT?0
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Like this one? https://bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50252285Anabobazina said:Ideally we’ll get several more interventions from Trumpton in favour of his Mini Me.
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There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday).0 -
It seems fairer than Gina Millers tactical voting site.Recidivist said:Has this been commented on yet?
https://twitter.com/jackseale/status/11898019547105771520 -
The explanation for the taxi is that he used them when Mayor to attend multiple functions over a short period of time, and kept the taxi waiting outside with the meter running. So there were quite a lot of claims for taxis >£100, and a total claim for taxis of £4,689 which is a hell of a lot for a year.Time_to_Leave said:
Taxi is weird but what’s wrong with claiming back a wreath? If you’re mayor, and you never do, it could easily cost you hundreds or thousands.Ishmael_Z said:
That's interesting.bigjohnowls said:Your regular reminder that multi-millionaire Boris Johnson once claimed expenses of £16.50 for a Remembrance Day wreath. And he claimed expenses of £237 for a 7 mile taxi ride.
That’s 7 miles in a taxi for the price of a weekend break in Europe.
Playing devil's advocate you can argue that it's the sort of travel that's hard to do on public transport, if not impossible on a tight timetable, and the taxi bill is a lot less than, say, an official car with a driver would have been. But reportedly it was a lot more than claimed by his predecessor as Mayor and is the sort of thing he would have criticised a political opponent for were the roles reversed.0 -
It's genuine far left rhetoric. Quite frightening that they are so open about this sort of thinking now.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
Presumably someone with £999 million is also bad? So where do the Labour party draw the line for the goodies and baddies? Who decides?
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Yes that’s the one where he bangs on about his friend Boris Johnson. Not sure the criticising the deal thing is likely to have the impact you think it will.Fysics_Teacher said:
Like this one? https://bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50252285Anabobazina said:Ideally we’ll get several more interventions from Trumpton in favour of his Mini Me.
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One thing I was expecting to see more of today was a discussion of the Grenfell Fire report.
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You are missing about fifty seats, according to the latest zeitgeistBenpointer said:If the Conservatives end up once again as the largest party but with no overall majority - a prospect currently priced at around evens - Boris's deal will surely be dead.
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Oh I'm sure they'll outlaw cash. That will be one way they'll try to prevent money from leaving the country.glw said:
We'll be fitter as well, due to us pushing wheelbarrows full of cash to the shops.rottenborough said:
We'll all be billionaires under the inflation plans of John McDonnell.MarqueeMark said:
Give me 10,000 more UK billionaires.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
And I'll give you the NHS you really want.0 -
But only as much 'alive' as May's deal remains today.OblitusSumMe said:
Depends on the numbers. If Johnson still has, say, 310 MPs, then individual MPs can make all the difference. It would only need a handful of Labour rebels to stop any second referendum, assuming that the opposition parties could agree on a Prime Minister to replace Johnson with.Benpointer said:If the Conservatives end up once again as the largest party but with no overall majority - a prospect currently priced at around evens - Boris's deal will surely be dead.
Or am I missing something?
To decisively kill off Johnson's deal you have to have something implementable to replace it with. In a well hung Parliament you wouldn't have that, so Johnson's deal would remain alive, glowering in the corner, as the obvious quick way out of the mess.0 -
I'm confused. What about Sunday?Anabobazina said:
There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday).0 -
Cash is utterly pointless anyway, we should get rid of it. It is the meta definition of a waste of money!OblitusSumMe said:
Oh I'm sure they'll outlaw cash. That will be one way they'll try to prevent money from leaving the country.glw said:
We'll be fitter as well, due to us pushing wheelbarrows full of cash to the shops.rottenborough said:
We'll all be billionaires under the inflation plans of John McDonnell.MarqueeMark said:
Give me 10,000 more UK billionaires.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
And I'll give you the NHS you really want.0 -
IanB2 said:
You are missing about fifty seats, according to the latest zeitgeistBenpointer said:If the Conservatives end up once again as the largest party but with no overall majority - a prospect currently priced at around evens - Boris's deal will surely be dead.
Or am I missing something?
That was the point of my 'If' at the start of the post. I fully get that a Tory majority looks likely as at today but frankly anything could happen in the next six weeks.0 -
Agreed, if anyone wants to get theirs recycled pm me and ill come and collect it.Anabobazina said:
Cash is utterly pointless anyway, we should get rid of it. It is the meta definition of a waste of money!OblitusSumMe said:
Oh I'm sure they'll outlaw cash. That will be one way they'll try to prevent money from leaving the country.glw said:
We'll be fitter as well, due to us pushing wheelbarrows full of cash to the shops.rottenborough said:
We'll all be billionaires under the inflation plans of John McDonnell.MarqueeMark said:
Give me 10,000 more UK billionaires.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
And I'll give you the NHS you really want.3 -
Anyone else experiencing issues with PB.com in the past 15 minutes? I have had to switch to Vanilla to see posts.
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Houston we have a problem with the main site....no thread is showing up.0
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You are right that an endorsement from Trump doesn’t have quite the cachet of his predecessor, and Corbyn won’t mind what Trump said about him at all. There are some Trump fans in the UK, but I suspect his approval figures would be even worse than any mainstream UK politician.Anabobazina said:
Yes that’s the one where he bangs on about his friend Boris Johnson. Not sure the criticising the deal thing is likely to have the impact you think it will.Fysics_Teacher said:
Like this one? https://bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50252285Anabobazina said:Ideally we’ll get several more interventions from Trumpton in favour of his Mini Me.
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Same.Benpointer said:Anyone else experiencing issues with PB.com in the past 15 minutes? I have had to switch to Vanilla to see posts.
Edit: Doh! just realised that anyone else experiencing such issues is not going to see my question to be able to respond! 😱
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At Church, obviously.OblitusSumMe said:
I'm confused. What about Sunday?Anabobazina said:
There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday).0 -
JRM will win comfortably IMO.Recidivist said:Has this been commented on yet?
https://twitter.com/jackseale/status/11898019547105771520 -
It's simply nonsense. It's not the wealth that is the issue, it's what people do with it, and how much of it the government gets to spend on society's wider needs.GideonWise said:
It's genuine far left rhetoric. Quite frightening that they are so open about this sort of thinking now.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
Presumably someone with £999 million is also bad? So where do the Labour party draw the line for the goodies and baddies? Who decides?
It's the road to totaltarianism.
A billionaire who does useful things, and pays a lot of tax, is surely much better for the country than someone half as wealthy who does a lot of bad things and pays little tax. And of course such arguments apply at all other levels of wealth.
So it's not having rich people that's the problem — even if there was an extreme level of inequality — but where money is privately spent, and how much ends up in government coffers.
Fixing taxation and creating appropriate incentives for spending would do far more good than simply trying to rid the UK of the rich.0 -
For a fee?noneoftheabove said:
Agreed, if anyone wants to get theirs recycled pm me and ill come and collect it.Anabobazina said:
Cash is utterly pointless anyway, we should get rid of it. It is the meta definition of a waste of money!OblitusSumMe said:
Oh I'm sure they'll outlaw cash. That will be one way they'll try to prevent money from leaving the country.glw said:
We'll be fitter as well, due to us pushing wheelbarrows full of cash to the shops.rottenborough said:
We'll all be billionaires under the inflation plans of John McDonnell.MarqueeMark said:
Give me 10,000 more UK billionaires.FrancisUrquhart said:Lloyd Russell-Moyle - 'I don't think that anyone in this country should be a billionaire'
These people are just mental. If elon musk said i want to relocate to the UK, build a new gigafactory etc etc etc, these morons would be no, we dont believe we should have people like you.
And I'll give you the NHS you really want.0 -
I thought it was a bit slow in here (I only ever use Vanilla these days, the ordinary site stopped accepting comments from me years ago)0
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Sigh...Byronic said:
I do male ECONOMIC modelling.TOPPING said:
What would an international male model know about macro economic forecasting? What would a writer of airport novels know about it either, come to that?Byronic said:
I know. It's voodoo statistics for silly people. Idiots think it means actual loss to the economy: negative growth. Not opportunity cost.Time_to_Leave said:
Its not a reduction, it’s forgone growth (the country will have a lower GDP than it otherwise might). Part of the effect is that we won’t grow as much if there are fewer immigrants and the population is smaller.Byronic said:
lol. £70bn per year by 2029 means £700bn a year total, which is a third of our entire economy.Foxy said:
£70 billion per year by 2029, I believe there would be a compounding effect of diminished growth, so probably only a few tens of billions of quid per year initially.
In other words, Brexit is going to be significantly worse than the First World War.
Even on the basis you describe, it's nonsense. It does not factor in what the UK might do to boost growth in the face of this, because that cannot be predicted or determined. So it's almost entirely useless, just like the Project Fear bollocks which predicted an immediate recession after the Brexit vote, but got it wholly wrong because the Treasury and the BoE got proactive to prevent a recession.
The Project Fear boffins hadn't factored that in. Genius.
All these stats from both sides are gibberish. The post Brexit future is essentially unknowable.
1) name four popular statistical software packages beginning with S.
2) if you are building a model in python, what technique would you be most likely to use?
3) Why is python thriving and R not?
4) when is a generalised linear model preferable to linear regression?
5) what is the difference between linear and logistic regression?
6) name a modelling package used in financial departments
7) name a modelling package used in actuarial departments
8) name a modelling package used in a statistical department
9) how would you prevent overfitting?
10) describe forward and backward selection
11) why is item response theory preferable to classic test theory when measuring opinions about extreme events?
12) what distribution would you use to model the frequency of an event?
13) what distribution would you use to model the severity of an event?
14) what is the distribution of bus times?
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Same.Benpointer said:Anyone else experiencing issues with PB.com in the past 15 minutes? I have had to switch to Vanilla to see posts.
Edit: Doh! just realised that anyone else experiencing such issues is not going to see my question to be able to respond! 😱
Thanks that's a relief in a way - probably nothing to do with my laptop then
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I assume it must be a spoof: not even the Lib Dems would do this would they?Recidivist said:Has this been commented on yet?
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Can anybody enter this quiz?viewcode said:
Sigh...Byronic said:
I do male ECONOMIC modelling.TOPPING said:
What would an international male model know about macro economic forecasting? What would a writer of airport novels know about it either, come to that?Byronic said:
I know. It's voodoo statistics for silly people. Idiots think it means actual loss to the economy: negative growth. Not opportunity cost.Time_to_Leave said:
Its not a reduction, it’s forgone growth (the country will have a lower GDP than it otherwise might). Part of the effect is that we won’t grow as much if there are fewer immigrants and the population is smaller.Byronic said:
lol. £70bn per year by 2029 means £700bn a year total, which is a third of our entire economy.Foxy said:
£70 billion per year by 2029, I believe there would be a compounding effect of diminished growth, so probably only a few tens of billions of quid per year initially.
In other words, Brexit is going to be significantly worse than the First World War.
Even on the basis you describe, it's nonsense. It does not factor in what the UK might do to boost growth in the face of this, because that cannot be predicted or determined. So it's almost entirely useless, just like the Project Fear bollocks which predicted an immediate recession after the Brexit vote, but got it wholly wrong because the Treasury and the BoE got proactive to prevent a recession.
The Project Fear boffins hadn't factored that in. Genius.
All these stats from both sides are gibberish. The post Brexit future is essentially unknowable.
1) name four popular statistical software packages beginning with S.
2) if you are building a model in python, what technique would you be most likely to use?
3) Why is python thriving and R not?
4) when is a generalised linear model preferable to linear regression?
5) what is the difference between linear and logistic regression?
6) name a modelling package used in financial departments
7) name a modelling package used in actuarial departments
8) name a modelling package used in a statistical department
9) how would you prevent overfitting?
10) describe forward and backward selection
11) why is item response theory preferable to classic test theory when measuring opinions about extreme events?
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He’ll be getting his winnings early in 2020. From whom is anybody’s guess.not_on_fire said:When will @williamglen be getting his winnings from SeanT?
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Not a ‘whole day away’, used for travelling home and therefore nothing like as revenue-friendly for the hospitality sector. That wouldn’t change under a four day week. However you would get two ‘whole days away’ (Fri and Sat) vs just one now.OblitusSumMe said:
I'm confused. What about Sunday?Anabobazina said:
There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday).0 -
But the hospitality sector will also have that day off won’t they? Likewise the trains and buses.Anabobazina said:
Not a ‘whole day away’, used for travelling home and therefore nothing like as revenue-friendly for the hospitality sector. That wouldn’t change under a four day week. However you would get two ‘whole days away’ (Fri and Sat) vs just one now.OblitusSumMe said:
I'm confused. What about Sunday?Anabobazina said:
There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday).0 -
I can't!FrancisUrquhart said:
Can anybody enter this quiz?viewcode said:
Sigh...Byronic said:
I do male ECONOMIC modelling.TOPPING said:
What would an international male model know about macro economic forecasting? What would a writer of airport novels know about it either, come to that?Byronic said:
I know. It's voodoo statistics for silly people. Idiots think it means actual loss to the economy: negative growth. Not opportunity cost.Time_to_Leave said:
Its not a reduction, it’s forgone growth (the country will have a lower GDP than it otherwise might). Part of the effect is that we won’t grow as much if there are fewer immigrants and the population is smaller.Byronic said:
lol. £70bn per year by 2029 means £700bn a year total, which is a third of our entire economy.Foxy said:
£70 billion per year by 2029, I believe there would be a compounding effect of diminished growth, so probably only a few tens of billions of quid per year initially.
In other words, Brexit is going to be significantly worse than the First World War.
Even on the basis you describe, it's nonsense. It does not factor in what the UK might do to boost growth in the face of this, because that cannot be predicted or determined. So it's almost entirely useless, just like the Project Fear bollocks which predicted an immediate recession after the Brexit vote, but got it wholly wrong because the Treasury and the BoE got proactive to prevent a recession.
The Project Fear boffins hadn't factored that in. Genius.
All these stats from both sides are gibberish. The post Brexit future is essentially unknowable.
1) name four popular statistical software packages beginning with S.
2) if you are building a model in python, what technique would you be most likely to use?
3) Why is python thriving and R not?
4) when is a generalised linear model preferable to linear regression?
5) what is the difference between linear and logistic regression?
6) name a modelling package used in financial departments
7) name a modelling package used in actuarial departments
8) name a modelling package used in a statistical department
9) how would you prevent overfitting?
10) describe forward and backward selection
11) why is item response theory preferable to classic test theory when measuring opinions about extreme events?
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I probably wasn’t clear in my OP. My follow up should explain it better (I hope!)Foxy said:
At Church, obviously.OblitusSumMe said:
I'm confused. What about Sunday?Anabobazina said:
There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday).0 -
No just Vanilla...Benpointer said:GIN1138 said:
Same.Benpointer said:Anyone else experiencing issues with PB.com in the past 15 minutes? I have had to switch to Vanilla to see posts.
Edit: Doh! just realised that anyone else experiencing such issues is not going to see my question to be able to respond! 😱
Thanks that's a relief in a way - probably nothing to do with my laptop then0 -
SeanT can be found on twitter. He never appears here nowadays.IanB2 said:
He’ll be getting his winnings early in 2020. From whom is anybody’s guess.not_on_fire said:When will @williamglen be getting his winnings from SeanT?
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1189184917860544519?s=19
For recent arrivals on PB, SeanT writes unconvincing fiction.0 -
Er no. Do they already have weekends off? No. They would simply have an extra chosen day off a week, as now but with one extra day.Fysics_Teacher said:
But the hospitality sector will also have that day off won’t they? Likewise the trains and buses.Anabobazina said:
Not a ‘whole day away’, used for travelling home and therefore nothing like as revenue-friendly for the hospitality sector. That wouldn’t change under a four day week. However you would get two ‘whole days away’ (Fri and Sat) vs just one now.OblitusSumMe said:
I'm confused. What about Sunday?Anabobazina said:
There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday).0 -
Should be fine when all work is being done by robotsFysics_Teacher said:
But the hospitality sector will also have that day off won’t they? Likewise the trains and buses.Anabobazina said:
Not a ‘whole day away’, used for travelling home and therefore nothing like as revenue-friendly for the hospitality sector. That wouldn’t change under a four day week. However you would get two ‘whole days away’ (Fri and Sat) vs just one now.OblitusSumMe said:
I'm confused. What about Sunday?Anabobazina said:
There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday). 0 -
It must have been a fair number of fairly mainstream ones as I was confidentially telling my American office mate that his bullishness about the American economy was misplaced as the numbers were soft and based on a huge housing bubble that was showing signs of being at its peak and ready to pop.Omnium said:Alistair said:
Plenty of economists in 2006 were predicting a massive housing crash in America.Stocky said:Omnium said: "The Economists have been lost-in-space for ages anyway. So far as I can tell every model is basically 'under review'. Actual economic modelling that people believed in went by the wayside in 2008."
No it didn`t - this is what behavioural economists want you to believe.
Economists knew a crash at some point was probable due to deregulation of financial markets - humans are greedy and self-interested - but it is unreasonable to expect economists to have forecasted the timing of the crash.
Some certainly. I'm not sure many established economists did so, and if I was a young economist I'd chance my arm on pretty much anything.Alistair said:
Plenty of economists in 2006 were predicting a massive housing crash in America.Stocky said:Omnium said: "The Economists have been lost-in-space for ages anyway. So far as I can tell every model is basically 'under review'. Actual economic modelling that people believed in went by the wayside in 2008."
No it didn`t - this is what behavioural economists want you to believe.
Economists knew a crash at some point was probable due to deregulation of financial markets - humans are greedy and self-interested - but it is unreasonable to expect economists to have forecasted the timing of the crash.
I'm not big into economic forecasts so it must have been fairly mainstream as a thought by then for me to get it.
Certainly criticism of the rating of CDOs was prevalent in 2006 and the problems that would bring.0 -
But this is an extra day for all.Anabobazina said:
Er no. Do they already have weekends off? No.Fysics_Teacher said:
But the hospitality sector will also have that day off won’t they? Likewise the trains and buses.Anabobazina said:
Not a ‘whole day away’, used for travelling home and therefore nothing like as revenue-friendly for the hospitality sector. That wouldn’t change under a four day week. However you would get two ‘whole days away’ (Fri and Sat) vs just one now.OblitusSumMe said:
I'm confused. What about Sunday?Anabobazina said:
There is so much time wasted in business that the four-day week makes sense. More energy for employees; fewer pointless meetings; clearer focus; enhanced productivity.noneoftheabove said:
With the four day week as with so many things we are asking the wrong questions.stodge said:
The pillar of the EU economic model, the Single Market, had its greatest enthusiast in Margaret Thatcher but that was pre-1989 and all that has flowed from that seminal event.another_richard said:
I think the UK's debt fueled consumption economic model is certain to lead to disaster and that we need a system shock and alternative thinking to shift it to something more sustainable.
Whilst a Remain win would have locked in that economic model almost permanently.
I don't disagree and I fear Johnson will start the whole consumption-driven debt cycle moving again with this ludicrous spending commitments and tax cuts.
I quite like the idea of taxing cars based on how many miles are driven rather than on the cost of fuel but with public transport in London and other cities close to capacity (if not well beyond), throwing large numbers of people off the roads and onto overcrowded trains and buses probably isn't the answer either.
Many on here derided the four-day-working week idea but it touches on important issues relating to sustainability, work-life balance and the long term viability of a work life pattern based on suburbs and commuting.
Should we ban five day weeks (or six or seven day weeks)? Not at all.
Should the government work to help those business and employees who prefer doing a four day week? Are there things the government can help with to achieve this? Absolutely yes to both those questions.
The leisure sector would also benefit from longer weekends - doubling customers’ ‘whole days away’ from one (Saturday only) to two (Friday and Saturday).0 -
It is aggressive sure, but what actually is so wrong about it? They are making the point that only the LDs can challenge which is what the numbers suggest. If Labour want to pay for a similar question to be asked they can but I doubt the numbers would be there for them.Fysics_Teacher said:
I assume it must be a spoof: not even the Lib Dems would do this would they?Recidivist said:Has this been commented on yet?
https://twitter.com/jackseale/status/1189801954710577152
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What is the actual four day week policy?0
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I suspect the arguments against moving from a six day week to a five and a half day week, and then to a five day week, were similar if not the same as moving from a five day week to a four. Spurious. Thin. There is nothing in the laws of physics that says Friday has to be a working day.0
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Indeed. All my answers (yes, they are real questions!) are from memory and may be wrong or out of date, so if anybody who knows what they are talking about ( @rcs1000 does this professionally iirc) answers them I might get my arse smacked, but they are real questions that have cropped up over the years.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can anybody enter this quiz?viewcode said:
Sigh...Byronic said:
I do male ECONOMIC modelling.TOPPING said:
What would an international male model know about macro economic forecasting? What would a writer of airport novels know about it either, come to that?Byronic said:
I know. It's voodoo statistics for silly people. Idiots think it means actual loss to the economy: negative growth. Not opportunity cost.Time_to_Leave said:
Its not a reduction, it’s forgone growth (the country will have a lower GDP than it otherwise might). Part of the effect is that we won’t grow as much if there are fewer immigrants and the population is smaller.Byronic said:
lol. £70bn per year by 2029 means £700bn a year total, which is a third of our entire economy.
In other words, Brexit is going to be significantly worse than the First World War.
Even on the basis you describe, it's nonsense. It does not factor in what the UK might do to boost growth in the face of this, because that cannot be predicted or determined. So it's almost entirely useless, just like the Project Fear bollocks which predicted an immediate recession after the Brexit vote, but got it wholly wrong because the Treasury and the BoE got proactive to prevent a recession.
The Project Fear boffins hadn't factored that in. Genius.
All these stats from both sides are gibberish. The post Brexit future is essentially unknowable.
1) name four popular statistical software packages beginning with S.
2) if you are building a model in python, what technique would you be most likely to use?
3) Why is python thriving and R not?
4) when is a generalised linear model preferable to linear regression?
5) what is the difference between linear and logistic regression?
6) name a modelling package used in financial departments
7) name a modelling package used in actuarial departments
8) name a modelling package used in a statistical department
9) how would you prevent overfitting?
10) describe forward and backward selection
11) why is item response theory preferable to classic test theory when measuring opinions about extreme events?
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There does have to be a point beyond which the standard working week cannot be reduced though. I just don't know where that point is.Anabobazina said:I suspect the arguments against moving from a six day week to a five and a half day week, and then to a five day week, were similar if not the same as moving from a five day week to a four. Spurious. Thin. There is nothing in the laws of physics that says Friday has to be a working day.
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Yes, I have same problem. Now on Vanilla directly.FrancisUrquhart said:Houston we have a problem with the main site....no thread is showing up.
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Yep, same for me, and @GIN1138 also reporting same issue.rottenborough said:
Yes, I have same problem. Now on Vanilla directly.FrancisUrquhart said:Houston we have a problem with the main site....no thread is showing up.
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