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Trump providing a regular commentary, as I'm sure Nigel could arrange, could be the black swan of this election. Anything Trump says is likely to be bad for Boris.tlg86 said:Loving the BBC getting their knickers in a twist over Trump. Of course, what Obama did was totally okay.
(Trump's intervention is about as helpful to Boris as Obama's intervention was for Remain).0 -
Boris was full on the NHS, schools and police today affirming from the end of January we would be out and br able to get on with all these issuesalex. said:Are the Tories going to spend the entire election referencing Brexit sound bites or are they actually going to focus on Labour policies (and in a forensic way that will actually be effective). At the moment (although haven’t been paying much attention) I’m getting
“Corbyn says X, Johnson says he delayed Brexit, Corbyn said Y, Johnson says he can’t get Brexit done, Corbyn announces slaughter of the first born, Johnson “but Brexit”...”
So far he has not attacked Corbyn's policies but plenty of others are0 -
You're finding fellatio hard to swallow?ydoethur said:
So are we back to fellatio again?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have no idea, I'm speculating.ydoethur said:
A chorister?TheScreamingEagles said:
He didn't read Law, he read English Literature at St John's, he must have gotten in as chorister.ydoethur said:
Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?TheScreamingEagles said:
Trickle down economics works.bigjohnowls said:Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever
Capitalism isnt working for them is it?
Your having a Laffer
The plebs should be grateful.
He can sing?
I would have sworn he had no vocal training whatsoever given the roughness of his diction.
That really is surprising.
Umm, that is, as a possible explanation for his matriculation.0 -
Ydoether, they are all cheeks of the same arse.ydoethur said:
Shame that Corbyn sees nothing wrong with, say, Ian Lavery’s interesting financial arrangements.malcolmg said:
It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.bigjohnowls said:
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.ozymandias said:
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.blueblue said:
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!Pierrot said:
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/KevinJones26/status/1189887336059998216?s=20rottenborough said:Everyone will be "very wealthy" under Labour says leading Corbynista:
https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1189857638160293888
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
Capitalism is fooked0 -
Entirely unrelated, but in the spirit of former President Obama's work on woke culture, I actually encountered the first person I have ever met who used the term work unironically. I was beginning to think 'woke' was purely a term used by opponents of workness on the right, and Obama.0
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Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.0 -
The key to undermining his credibility will be a proper job on the costings. They won’t add up, because they never do with Corbyn.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
You do wonder however whether Javid will be up to doing that, and Johnson certainly isn’t.0 -
Yes, I read something like that in the Guardian (prop. Apax partners, Cayman Islands)malcolmg said:
It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.bigjohnowls said:
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.ozymandias said:
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.blueblue said:
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!Pierrot said:
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/KevinJones26/status/1189887336059998216?s=20rottenborough said:Everyone will be "very wealthy" under Labour says leading Corbynista:
https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1189857638160293888
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
Capitalism is fooked0 -
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
No argument from me Malc, I’ve been saying it for months.malcolmg said:
Ydoether, they are all cheeks of the same arse.ydoethur said:
Shame that Corbyn sees nothing wrong with, say, Ian Lavery’s interesting financial arrangements.malcolmg said:
It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.bigjohnowls said:
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.ozymandias said:
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.blueblue said:
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!Pierrot said:
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/KevinJones26/status/1189887336059998216?s=20rottenborough said:Everyone will be "very wealthy" under Labour says leading Corbynista:
https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1189857638160293888
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
Capitalism is fooked
How are the turnips, btw? Looks like we need some...0 -
It’s just a stiff challenge to think how somebody as dense as him could (a) have got in and (b) got a degree.TheScreamingEagles said:
You're finding fellatio hard to swallow?ydoethur said:
So are we back to fellatio again?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have no idea, I'm speculating.ydoethur said:
A chorister?TheScreamingEagles said:
He didn't read Law, he read English Literature at St John's, he must have gotten in as chorister.ydoethur said:
Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?TheScreamingEagles said:
Trickle down economics works.bigjohnowls said:Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever
Capitalism isnt working for them is it?
Your having a Laffer
The plebs should be grateful.
He can sing?
I would have sworn he had no vocal training whatsoever given the roughness of his diction.
That really is surprising.
Umm, that is, as a possible explanation for his matriculation.
I’m putting forward the more common ones as suggestions.
I don’t think chorister works, on a number of levels. All other considerations aside, they don’t guarantee a pass for singing tenor in chapel.0 -
Brexit has shredded the Tory reputation for fiscal rectitude, that one simply won't wash this time.ydoethur said:
The key to undermining his credibility will be a proper job on the costings. They won’t add up, because they never do with Corbyn.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
You do wonder however whether Javid will be up to doing that, and Johnson certainly isn’t.0 -
G , did you mean unemployment, hard to see businesses paying £10 an hour to 16 year olds.Big_G_NorthWales said:£10 minimum wage for 16 year old is a policy that will create huge youth employment
Most businesses will give youth a chance to learn and develop but if at the same minimum wage as a mature worker they will not get that chance0 -
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS0 -
Well, it will if there’s another £250 billion black hole in an allegedly fully costed manifesto. I just don’t think anyone will investigate it in sufficient depth to make a difference.Foxy said:
Brexit has shredded the Tory reputation for fiscal rectitude, that one simply won't wash this time.ydoethur said:
The key to undermining his credibility will be a proper job on the costings. They won’t add up, because they never do with Corbyn.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
You do wonder however whether Javid will be up to doing that, and Johnson certainly isn’t.0 -
Trump's intervention is great stuff. In an interview with Farage, no less. Honestly worth as much for us as the excellent launch (quite fairly reported by the 6 o'clock news, I thought - pros and cons for each policy mentioned).glw said:
Trump providing a regular commentary, as I'm sure Nigel could arrange, could be the black swan of this election. Anything Trump says is likely to be bad for Boris.tlg86 said:Loving the BBC getting their knickers in a twist over Trump. Of course, what Obama did was totally okay.
(Trump's intervention is about as helpful to Boris as Obama's intervention was for Remain).0 -
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
Yes thanks Malc - age related methinks- of course it is unemploymentmalcolmg said:
G , did you mean unemployment, hard to see businesses paying £10 an hour to 16 year olds.Big_G_NorthWales said:£10 minimum wage for 16 year old is a policy that will create huge youth employment
Most businesses will give youth a chance to learn and develop but if at the same minimum wage as a mature worker they will not get that chance0 -
In 1987, the Alliance circulated one million copies of a leaflet confidently stating their policies would reduce employment by over one million in three years before anyone spotted the typo.malcolmg said:
G , did you mean unemployment, hard to see businesses paying £10 an hour to 16 year olds.Big_G_NorthWales said:£10 minimum wage for 16 year old is a policy that will create huge youth employment
Most businesses will give youth a chance to learn and develop but if at the same minimum wage as a mature worker they will not get that chance0 -
They need to be loaded with shrapnel and jaggy thingsydoethur said:
No argument from me Malc, I’ve been saying it for months.malcolmg said:
Ydoether, they are all cheeks of the same arse.ydoethur said:
Shame that Corbyn sees nothing wrong with, say, Ian Lavery’s interesting financial arrangements.malcolmg said:
It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.bigjohnowls said:
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.ozymandias said:
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.blueblue said:
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!Pierrot said:
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/KevinJones26/status/1189887336059998216?s=20rottenborough said:Everyone will be "very wealthy" under Labour says leading Corbynista:
https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1189857638160293888
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
Capitalism is fooked
How are the turnips, btw? Looks like we need some...0 -
Foxy said:
"Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him."
Any pictures of Mrs Foxy?0 -
It is therefore also THE issue where Corbyn desperately needs to go on the attack.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS0 -
Threatening to take control of it from Scottish government and moving it to Westminster is a pretty stupid move that only a nasty cretin like him could come up with. He really is desperate to bust the union and get shot of Scotland.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS0 -
Denials from Bozo or Trump mean nothing . Both are pathological liars . Labour will go hard on the NHS and Trump .Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS
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It's the wrong question, though. The right question is whether they will vote Labour in greater or fewer droves than they did in 2017 and 2015. It's always important to remember that tactical voting is baked in to the starting positions.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.1 -
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
Pretty hard to deny something which is completely meaningless, so I expect Boris won't bother.nico67 said:
Denials from Bozo or Trump mean nothing . Both are pathological liars . Labour will go hard on the NHS and Trump .0 -
What do you mean, too? Maths is the language of science.ReggieCide said:
you do maths too!!!Fysics_Teacher said:
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.Roger said:"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!0 -
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .0 -
Difficult question, as there weren't as many thinking of LD last time to be squeezed further (though they were indeed squeezed). I think the answer is they won't to the same degree, so it will see a Tory majority unless Farage buggers it up, or Boris has a May like campaign.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's the wrong question, though. The right question is whether they will vote Labour in greater or fewer droves than they did in 2017 and 2015. It's always important to remember that tactical voting is baked in to the starting positions.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.0 -
As the joke used to go in my Uni biology is really chemistry, chemistry is really physics, physics is really maths, and maths is really hard.Fysics_Teacher said:
What do you mean, too? Maths is the language of science.ReggieCide said:
you do maths too!!!Fysics_Teacher said:
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.Roger said:"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!0 -
That’s rubbish if you are thinking of voting lib dem it’s because you either believe in them or you think the two alternatives are equally evil. No way would I vote for either corbyn or Johnson both being the worst UK politics have ever put before the people.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes2 -
The problem for Corbyn he is behind Boris on most key issuesydoethur said:
It is therefore also THE issue where Corbyn desperately needs to go on the attack.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS
NHS 36-34
Economy 44-20
Defence 48-16
Jobs 38-30
Foreign Pol 41-18
Trade 45 -2
Welfare 30-37
So only on welfare does he beat Boris
And if those figures are accurate he is not going to improve on his seats and the question is how many he will lose0 -
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?Gabs2 said:
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.kinabalu said:
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.Gabs2 said:It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
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A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.0
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nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by his side if I recall correctly).
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Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
Typical Friday night for TSE......bigjohnowls said:
Tell that to the homelessTheScreamingEagles said:
Trickle down economics works.bigjohnowls said:Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever
Capitalism isnt working for them is it?
Your having a Laffer
The plebs should be grateful.
A good kick in the Arse is the kind of gratitude yo were expecting i assume0 -
But realistically he can’t make up any of the others. If he has anything that is his least weak suit, therefore, it is the NHS.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem for Corbyn he is behind Boris on most key issuesydoethur said:
It is therefore also THE issue where Corbyn desperately needs to go on the attack.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS
NHS 36-34
Economy 44-20
Defence 48-16
Jobs 38-30
Foreign Pol 41-18
Trade 45 -2
Welfare 30-37
So only on welfare does he beat Boris
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No, not at all. I can't even follow the logic for why those things would be the same. Perhaps if the Chief Rabbi of the UK supported Corbyn, it might be comparable. But he doesn't so it isn't.TOPPING said:
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?Gabs2 said:
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.kinabalu said:
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.Gabs2 said:It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
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If I was Labour I’d throw diplomacy out of the window , play that clip and then show the pally pics of Bozo and Trump .Stocky said:nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by hos side if I recall correctly).
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Did you catch the planted story on the 'labour run' Welsh NHS in the Mail? The 2k a day management consultant cost cutter guy?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS
I thought the photos of him sunning himself outside his luxury apartment in Marbella were a particularly nice touch.0 -
And s lot of engineers can’t pass their part 1 maths and get thrown out.Time_to_Leave said:
As the joke used to go in my Uni biology is really chemistry, chemistry is really physics, physics is really maths, and maths is really hard.Fysics_Teacher said:
What do you mean, too? Maths is the language of science.ReggieCide said:
you do maths too!!!Fysics_Teacher said:
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.Roger said:"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!0 -
I see that Climate Crisis doesn't feature in that list...Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem for Corbyn he is behind Boris on most key issuesydoethur said:
It is therefore also THE issue where Corbyn desperately needs to go on the attack.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS
NHS 36-34
Economy 44-20
Defence 48-16
Jobs 38-30
Foreign Pol 41-18
Trade 45 -2
Welfare 30-37
So only on welfare does he beat Boris
And if those figures are accurate he is not going to improve on his seats and the question is how many he will lose0 -
Trump backed Farage and criticised the Boris trade deal as potentially restricting US UK trade which could reassure swing voters thinking of voting Tory that the NHS will not be on the table after Labour attacks on that today.Roger said:A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers0 -
You are saying that because one Unionist has no problem with the deal that invalidates the many, many Unionists who have a very big problem with it.Gabs2 said:
No, not at all. I can't even follow the logic for why those things would be the same. Perhaps if the Chief Rabbi of the UK supported Corbyn, it might be comparable. But he doesn't so it isn't.TOPPING said:
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?Gabs2 said:
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.kinabalu said:
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.Gabs2 said:It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
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It does if you give the poor some of the rich's money. That is literally the way that redistributive taxation works, and is highly effective at reducing inequality.TheScreamingEagles said:
Making the rich poorer doesn't help poor.bigjohnowls said:
Tell that to the homelessTheScreamingEagles said:
Trickle down economics works.bigjohnowls said:Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever
Capitalism isnt working for them is it?
Your having a Laffer
The plebs should be grateful.
A good kick in the Arse is the kind of gratitude yo were expecting i assume0 -
The public already known Boris gets on with Trump. It’s priced in.
The public expects the US to try and do us over in a trade deal.
At present, a lot of people clearly don’t care if Trump likes Boris (they may think it’s useful) and believe Boris will defend us in a trade deal.
To make headway, Labour needs to convince people that Boris won’t defend the U.K. position. All Boris has to do is maintain the current view of his declared voters, and if he needs it he has a chance to grandstand with Trump at the NATO summit in December.0 -
It is all very desperate but I agree with your pointydoethur said:
But realistically he can’t make up any of the others. If he has anything that is his least weak suit, therefore, it is the NHS.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem for Corbyn he is behind Boris on most key issuesydoethur said:
It is therefore also THE issue where Corbyn desperately needs to go on the attack.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happenmalcolmg said:
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.rottenborough said:
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.nico67 said:
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,The_Taxman said:Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS
NHS 36-34
Economy 44-20
Defence 48-16
Jobs 38-30
Foreign Pol 41-18
Trade 45 -2
Welfare 30-37
So only on welfare does he beat Boris
And if those figures are accurate he is not going to improve on his seats and the question is how many he will lose0 -
The Withdrawal Agreement protects those rights. And Boris Johnson, for all his faults, called for that to be done unilaterally very early.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
Are the people who will decide the election on twitter?nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .0 -
That depends on the reason for thinking of voting LD (which, by the way, includes me). If the primary reason is remainery then it's simply the case that the Labour remainer candidate is, in many places, a better bet than a LD no hoper. People would easily justify it as not voting for Corbyn or Johnson but for local candidate X, who is a decent sort. I see no reason to disbelieve the good doctor in thinking Corbyn's party could get a lot of LD tactical votes.nichomar said:
That’s rubbish if you are thinking of voting lib dem it’s because you either believe in them or you think the two alternatives are equally evil. No way would I vote for either corbyn or Johnson both being the worst UK politics have ever put before the people.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
People will vote tactically, they always do, it's a question of how many will do so this time.
It's not a matter of denigrating the LDs, I think Labour figures often take them for granted and treat them like automatic lackeys when they are, of course, their own party with their own views. But if it is about remain then Labour will get tacticals. If it is not about remain, then Leave via the Tories will win. It's up to LDs to decide.0 -
Because that video showing Corbyn working with and supporting actual mass murderers made such a difference for Theresa May in 2017...nico67 said:
If I was Labour I’d throw diplomacy out of the window , play that clip and then show the pally pics of Bozo and Trump .Stocky said:nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by hos side if I recall correctly).0 -
Big_G said: "So only on welfare does he beat Boris"
If asked "would Corbyn be stronger on welfare" many respondents say "yes"
If asked "do you think more should be spent on welfare benefits" then same folk may say "No".
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More fool themHYUFD said:
Trump backed Farage and criticised the Boris trade deal as potentially restricting US UK trade which could reassure swing voters thinking of voting Tory that the NHS will not be on the table after Labour attacks on that today.Roger said:A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers0 -
He is not "one unionist". He was the leader of the unionist side in the most decisive political event in the last 40 years of Northern Irish history.TOPPING said:
You are saying that because one Unionist has no problem with the deal that invalidates the many, many Unionists who have a very big problem with it.Gabs2 said:
No, not at all. I can't even follow the logic for why those things would be the same. Perhaps if the Chief Rabbi of the UK supported Corbyn, it might be comparable. But he doesn't so it isn't.TOPPING said:
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?Gabs2 said:
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.kinabalu said:
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.Gabs2 said:It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
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Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?0 -
Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? Intuitively it seems blindingly obvious that 1,000 millionaires are going to circulate a lot more of £1bn than one billionaire is.Time_to_Leave said:Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.0 -
Perhaps she is one of the adoring women pictured behind Jo Swinson, frantically waving a gigantic orange placard saying "Jo Swinson", as shown on page 3 of the article "Jo Swinson, The Prime Minister We Deserve" in my just-received glossy LibDem pamphlet entitled "Jo Swinson, Britain's Next Prime Minister".Stocky said:Foxy said:
"Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him."
Any pictures of Mrs Foxy?
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Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
Apparently it's £70 billion a year.Fysics_Teacher said:
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.Roger said:"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!
(And as Richard said it should be 'A 70 Billion STOP Brexit Bonus'!!)0 -
I would assume good days for Corbyn will take a few days to filter through to any polling. Its not like Labour immediately jumped 10 points once the campaign started last time.Byronic said:
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?0 -
I think Labour are in trouble regardless of the good campaign launch . But Trump backing Johnson isn’t good for him .Byronic said:
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
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Ishmael_Z said: "Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? "
Depends whether you are talking about relative or absolute poverty.
Capitalism is reducing absolute poverty but increasing relative poverty.
Many think this isn`t a problem but I and many other disagree.0 -
The Guardian quoted an old poll that had 19% UK [GB?] who were pro-Trump and 2/3rds anti-Trump - but in the weird way that Republican attitudes on Russia have changed since their leader was so pally with Putin, it's possible that this could boost support for Trump in the UK along the existing polarisation, rather than move people from one side to the other.HYUFD said:
Trump backed Farage and criticised the Boris trade deal as potentially restricting US UK trade which could reassure swing voters thinking of voting Tory that the NHS will not be on the table after Labour attacks on that today.Roger said:A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers0 -
Brexit Party voters give Trump a net positive rating, so it could boost Boris with themOblitusSumMe said:
The Guardian quoted an old poll that had 19% UK [GB?] who were pro-Trump and 2/3rds anti-Trump - but in the weird way that Republican attitudes on Russia have changed since their leader was so pally with Putin, it's possible that this could boost support for Trump in the UK along the existing polarisation, rather than move people from one side to the other.HYUFD said:
Trump backed Farage and criticised the Boris trade deal as potentially restricting US UK trade which could reassure swing voters thinking of voting Tory that the NHS will not be on the table after Labour attacks on that today.Roger said:A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers0 -
Doesn't mean playing up the Trump angle won't be more effective. Particularly since it works in the national NHS religion angle too.ydoethur said:
Because that video showing Corbyn working with and supporting actual mass murderers made such a difference for Theresa May in 2017...nico67 said:
If I was Labour I’d throw diplomacy out of the window , play that clip and then show the pally pics of Bozo and Trump .Stocky said:nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by hos side if I recall correctly).0 -
It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!Byronic said:
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?0 -
Yes, that's what they say, but that's not been the experience of EU citizens interacting with the Home Office. At the beginning of this week there was a statutory instrument passed that restricted the rights of EU/EEA/Swiss/Turkish citizens from owning and running businesses (including self-employment) in the UK after Exit Day.Gabs2 said:
The Withdrawal Agreement protects those rights. And Boris Johnson, for all his faults, called for that to be done unilaterally very early.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
So what? Tell Arlene and the others that they should agree with him.Gabs2 said:
He is not "one unionist". He was the leader of the unionist side in the most decisive political event in the last 40 years of Northern Irish history.TOPPING said:
You are saying that because one Unionist has no problem with the deal that invalidates the many, many Unionists who have a very big problem with it.Gabs2 said:
No, not at all. I can't even follow the logic for why those things would be the same. Perhaps if the Chief Rabbi of the UK supported Corbyn, it might be comparable. But he doesn't so it isn't.TOPPING said:
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?Gabs2 said:
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.kinabalu said:
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.Gabs2 said:It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
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£70 billion a year every year for ever? Or just £70bn in one year and that's it?Roger said:
Apparently it's £70 billion a year.Fysics_Teacher said:
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.Roger said:"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!
(And as Richard said it should be 'A 70 Billion STOP Brexit Bonus'!!)
The first figure is insane: it means Brexit is as bad as a horrible war without end.
The second stat is meaningless as no one can be that precise, and economics doesn't work like that.
Who makes up these ridiculous figures?0 -
‘Fuck all data’?HYUFD said:0 -
Ishmael_Z said: "Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? "
Of course, the philosopher Robert Nozick argues that it is morally wrong for a government to confiscate wealth that is legally acquired in order to further the government`s own aim to redistribute wealth.0 -
Ultimately you have to vote Labour or Tory in my view, everything else is just a waste of time - in England at least. Labour has a far better record on equality and anti racism overall, even if there have been some terrible examples of anti Semitism linked to party members (although I once had a Jewish woman swear blind to me that it was all an exaggeration designed to smear Corbyn - I disagreed but felt a bit stupid as a non-Jew trying to convince her otherwise).Gabs2 said:
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
£70 billion per year by 2029, I believe there would be a compounding effect of diminished growth, so probably only a few tens of billions of quid per year initially.Roger said:
Apparently it's £70 billion a year.Fysics_Teacher said:
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.Roger said:"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!
(And as Richard said it should be 'A 70 Billion STOP Brexit Bonus'!!)0 -
Do you have a time machine, the Windrush scandal happened in 2018.Gabs2 said:
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes2 -
It won't be as Boris can reply Trump said his Deal with the EU would make a US UK trade deal more difficult, thus reassuring voters the NHS is not on the table.kle4 said:
Doesn't mean playing up the Trump angle won't be more effective. Particularly since it works in the national NHS religion angle too.ydoethur said:
Because that video showing Corbyn working with and supporting actual mass murderers made such a difference for Theresa May in 2017...nico67 said:
If I was Labour I’d throw diplomacy out of the window , play that clip and then show the pally pics of Bozo and Trump .Stocky said:nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by hos side if I recall correctly).
Indeed the main headline on the BBC now is 'Trump criticises Johnson's Brexit Deal'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news0 -
And you don't think there will be a repeat with EU citizens????Gabs2 said:
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes1 -
isam said: "‘Fuck all data’?"
Yeah, but I still laid Labour in that constituency.0 -
That's precisely the precedent that has so many EU citizens worried.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
It’s not the logic that’s offensive (money has to circulate to make an economy work unless you go full communist) it’s the implication that those with money are “worth” more. The language “trickle down” suggests they are doing us a favour letting us have crumbs from the table.Ishmael_Z said:
Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? Intuitively it seems blindingly obvious that 1,000 millionaires are going to circulate a lot more of £1bn than one billionaire is.Time_to_Leave said:Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.0 -
No a day riven by class war and hatred from Labour which will reassure his leftwing fans but turn off swing voters and turn off centrist diehard Remainers who will go LDrpjs said:
It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!Byronic said:
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?0 -
I don't think they will do that this time, but if they did can you imagine how terrified the Tories would be of ever fighting another election?rpjs said:
It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!Byronic said:
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?0 -
The current leadership certainly do not have a better record on it. In the Tories there was a sense of shame over Windrush. There were apologies and resignations. Labour just keeps at the Anti-Semitism and the leader himself has personally indulged in it. His own office intervenes in disciplinary cases to protect anti-Semites.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ultimately you have to vote Labour or Tory in my view, everything else is just a waste of time - in England at least. Labour has a far better record on equality and anti racism overall, even if there have been some terrible examples of anti Semitism linked to party members (although I once had a Jewish woman swear blind to me that it was all an exaggeration designed to smear Corbyn - I disagreed but felt a bit stupid as a non-Jew trying to convince her otherwise).Gabs2 said:
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
nored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
And can you imagine if Boris Johnson had attended a commemoration service for some white supremacist terrorist who had slaughtered a bunch of black people? His support would evaporate overnight.0 -
The comments on the earlier threads were notably more pessimistic for Labour. I, for one, still think they're fucked.Byronic said:
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?0 -
rpjs said: "It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!"
No he didn`t. That was due to the Tories shooting themselves in the foot over social care.0 -
Don't ever change.HYUFD said:
No a day riven by class war and hatred from Labour which will reassure his leftwing fans but turn off swing voters and turn off centrist diehard Remainers who will go LDrpjs said:
It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!Byronic said:
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.nico67 said:Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?0 -
Agreed.Time_to_Leave said:
It’s not the logic that’s offensive (money has to circulate to make an economy work unless you go full communist) it’s the implication that those with money are “worth” more. The language “trickle down” suggests they are doing us a favour letting us have crumbs from the table.Ishmael_Z said:
Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? Intuitively it seems blindingly obvious that 1,000 millionaires are going to circulate a lot more of £1bn than one billionaire is.Time_to_Leave said:Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.
And the other thing that is offensive is the "philanthropy". Nobody wants rich people's fucking philanthropy.
We just want them to pay their fair share of taxation.1 -
Rightly so. I can think of nothing more scary than having my loved ones' fate in the hands of the Home Office.OblitusSumMe said:
That's precisely the precedent that has so many EU citizens worried.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
lol. £70bn per year by 2029 means £700bn a year total, which is a third of our entire economy.Foxy said:
£70 billion per year by 2029, I believe there would be a compounding effect of diminished growth, so probably only a few tens of billions of quid per year initially.Roger said:
Apparently it's £70 billion a year.Fysics_Teacher said:
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.Roger said:"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!
(And as Richard said it should be 'A 70 Billion STOP Brexit Bonus'!!)
In other words, Brexit is going to be significantly worse than the First World War.0 -
Why would a party that got 12 seats get equal billing with two that got 570 odd between them?GIN1138 said:
Well that's for the other parties to sort out with the broadcasters.williamglenn said:
I would think it's likely they'll have an 6-way at some point with Boris, Jezza, Swinson, Nicola, Plaid and maybe Nigel?
Then there may be a 3-way with Boris, Jezza and Jo.
But who knows...0 -
I'm sure you don't have a non genuine bone in your body ☺Big_G_NorthWales said:I am a very genuine person as anyone who knows me will tell you
But Corbyn today went full on Venezeula today and is not fit to lead our Country
But c'mon - "full on Venezuela" - that's extremely frothy.0 -
Well that’s a view, one that lab and con attempt to perpetuate in their buggies turn conspiracy but it depends where you live you have other options than to have to vote for the two worst ever leaders in control of the two old tired parties.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ultimately you have to vote Labour or Tory in my view, everything else is just a waste of time - in England at least. Labour has a far better record on equality and anti racism overall, even if there have been some terrible examples of anti Semitism linked to party members (although I once had a Jewish woman swear blind to me that it was all an exaggeration designed to smear Corbyn - I disagreed but felt a bit stupid as a non-Jew trying to convince her otherwise).Gabs2 said:
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0 -
You're kidding right? What about Cancer Research UK?YBarddCwsc said:
Agreed.Time_to_Leave said:
It’s not the logic that’s offensive (money has to circulate to make an economy work unless you go full communist) it’s the implication that those with money are “worth” more. The language “trickle down” suggests they are doing us a favour letting us have crumbs from the table.Ishmael_Z said:
Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? Intuitively it seems blindingly obvious that 1,000 millionaires are going to circulate a lot more of £1bn than one billionaire is.Time_to_Leave said:Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.
And the other thing that is offensive is the "philanthropy". Nobody wants rich people's fucking philanthropy.
We just want them to pay their fair share of taxation.0 -
Try taking your children to school past armed guards every day, or going to temple with them at the door, because there are so many violent killers that hate you because of your ancestry, which is what tens of thousands of Jews do.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Rightly so. I can think of nothing more scary than having my loved ones' fate in the hands of the Home Office.OblitusSumMe said:
That's precisely the precedent that has so many EU citizens worried.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.OblitusSumMe said:
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?Gabs2 said:
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.kle4 said:
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.Gabs2 said:
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.kle4 said:
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.Foxy said:Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes0
