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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    kinabalu said:

    Just done three and a half hours canvassing in Totnes constituency.

    We had to give up as it was getting dark - and the gangs of trick or treat kids said they couldn't compete in the horror stakes with a bunch of Tories knocking on doors!

    BTW, Dr. Sarah Wollaston's name is mud out there...... Even those who are LibDems raise their eyebrows heavenwards.

    Is the mood in Totnes still "ferociously unforgiving"?
    It has not mellowed!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,564
    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574

    What's a reputable pollster doing prompting for a party 50% of the time?

    Testing whether it makes any difference.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    Betting Post

    Most firms, including ladbrokes, have 37.5 as the lib dem over/under seats line. But Ladbrokes also have a 3-way market with under 50 seats at 10/11, a bigger price than the under 37.5. You could back the over 37.5 at 5/6 and the under 50 at 10/11 to give a good sweet spot where both could come in.

    DYOR

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-general-election/225280407/
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    It is a complex thing that most socialists will never understand because socialists are fundamentally lazy. Socialists want others to work hard so they can have benefits of the tax that those innovative folk generate. A socialists doesn't say "how can I be cleverer or work harder to get those things or services", he says "why does that person have them and I do not - let's tax them"

    That's the same sort of generalisation as "Tories are evil city financiers and their mates". Socialists in most Western countries tend to be successful middle-class people who feel it would be prudent/desirable/nice (the motive varies) to avoid extremes of wealth, and who accept higher taxes for themselves if they are part of an overall programme. They might be unwise, but I don't think I've actually ever met anyone who fits your description.
    Not talking about people such as yourself Nick, but this very much fits your party leader. The type you are describing are not really socialists, but generally social democrats, which is a philosophy that I have a lot of sympathy with. The nutty language that Corbyn has been coming out with neatly fits my description of socialism; a nasty jealous creed that does nothing for the poor, but make them poorer.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502

    nico67 said:

    blueblue said:

    Roger said:

    Apparently Corbyn's launch went well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups think this left wing populism though divisive is definitely Corbyn's best bet.

    Just wait until the Tories inform those voters of the open-door immigration policy decided at Labour conference :smiley:
    That policy and the public schools one will bite the dust or will be rehashed into a more voter friendly version unless that is Labour want to finish third .
    Conference policy, mate. Conference policy....
    Those policies don’t have to be produced in exactly the same way after that . The backtrack on the schools one has already started .
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."

    Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
    I believe it was mostly inherited, although I could be wrong.

    Worth remembering that although he’s from a wealthy background and had a well-paid job, he got into financial difficulties at one point and had to default on his mortgage. So he can’t have been saving up from way back.

    If therefore he didn’t inherit the money, the Morning Star must be paying columnists out of all proportion to a paper with the circulation of a fair-sized nunnery.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Just done three and a half hours canvassing in Totnes constituency.

    We had to give up as it was getting dark - and the gangs of trick or treat kids said they couldn't compete in the horror stakes with a bunch of Tories knocking on doors!

    BTW, Dr. Sarah Wollaston's name is mud out there...... Even those who are LibDems raise their eyebrows heavenwards.

    I think the darkness is a big thing in relation to Tories targeting Labour held seats. Unless volunteers are local and familiar with an area. You would not want to be out in the dark in a deprived area with a Blue rosette! :wink:
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    blueblue said:

    Roger said:

    Apparently Corbyn's launch went well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups think this left wing populism though divisive is definitely Corbyn's best bet.

    Just wait until the Tories inform those voters of the open-door immigration policy decided at Labour conference :smiley:
    That policy and the public schools one will bite the dust or will be rehashed into a more voter friendly version unless that is Labour want to finish third .
    Conference policy, mate. Conference policy....
    Those policies don’t have to be produced in exactly the same way after that . The backtrack on the schools one has already started .
    Excuse me if I don't explain that degree of subtlety on the doorsteps. I'll just give a general thank you for providing me with the weaponry.... :)
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    Corbyn's musings today are so far left it is off the scale

    How can the Starmer, Benn, Cooper and others stand for election on this class war nonsense

    Others have suggested he knows he will not win and I agree. He is road testing Venezeula part 2 to destruction but risks destroying the labour party in the process

    How has labour fallen so far

    I suppose the people you have mentioned hang on in there on the same basis as those in the Tory Party that think Brexit is for nutters. Yes there are still quite a few in parliament that have not been purged by Cummings!
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    ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    blueblue said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!

    How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
    You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.

    So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.

    Capitalism is fooked
    Nonsense.

    The super rich don’t make people poor. In your envy-ridden, green eyed little world maybe. But not in the real world.

    They pay more tax every year already than most of us will earn in a lifetime. Without them paying the tax they are legally obliged to pay you’ll find all the little free owls we’re so enamoured with just won’t be there.

    When they are their companies flee who’s going to pay for you then? Who’ll be next? The rich evil middle classes I presume?

    Socialism is a paralysing, stultifying creed. It’s parasitic.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,930
    edited October 2019
    "Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.

    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!

    EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!


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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    edited October 2019
    blueblue said:

    kinabalu said:

    Anyway, good news. I have been out and about today and was struck by something wholly positive. Not a single person - not one - came bounding up to me to say they were planning to vote Conservative on Dec 12th to get Brexit done (or indeed for any other reason). "Oh, but I bet you just popped to the corner store," I hear people protesting. Well no, actually. I was out for almost two hours and I went to a number of places. So. Game on.

    That's so desperate it's almost endearing...
    It is almost the time of day for the latest round of mother anecdotes.
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    This campaign really is going to be unbearable.....
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    Roger said:

    "Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.

    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!


    I think it would have to be the '£70 billion Stop Brexit bonus'! Otherwise it might backfire...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,564
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    Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,639

    Even in a drubbing, parties always take one or two seats against the tide.

    My prediction for a Labour gain is .....

    .... Arfon.

    It is highly marginal. Only Plaid Cymru or Labour are going to win this seat.

    And Plaid Cymru could easily end up having a worse election than Labour.

    You then may be interested in the 4/6 available from Ladbrokes that Plaid end up with 4 seats (as now) or less. I have put something on that and it's still available.

    Essentially, that's a bet that Plaid will EITHER fail to pick up Ynys Mon from Labour in a 3 way contest with the Conservatives OR lose at least one of their 4 seats.

    I think it's more likely than not that the LDs will take back Ceredigion. I can't see Labour picking up Arfon though.

    Ynys Mon seems a tall order for Plaid as a Remain party. 51% voted Leave there and the remain vote could be fairly evenly divided between Lab and Plaid, so there is potential for the Tories to come through from a starting position equal with Plaid. 19% of 2017 Plaid voters are switching to the Tories, according to the last YouGov.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537
    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    If Trump were Machiavellian, and wanted Johnson to win, he should spend all the time emphasising how similar Corbyn is to himself.

    That way Labour would be struggling to finish fourth.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,930

    Roger said:

    "Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.

    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!


    I think it would have to be the '£70 billion Stop Brexit bonus'! Otherwise it might backfire...
    Good thinking Holmes.....
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    ydoethur said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."

    Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
    I believe it was mostly inherited, although I could be wrong.

    Worth remembering that although he’s from a wealthy background and had a well-paid job, he got into financial difficulties at one point and had to default on his mortgage. So he can’t have been saving up from way back.

    If therefore he didn’t inherit the money, the Morning Star must be paying columnists out of all proportion to a paper with the circulation of a fair-sized nunnery.
    His parents were well off enough to live in a manor house and send him to a private prep school.
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    kinabalu said:

    Anyway, good news. I have been out and about today and was struck by something wholly positive. Not a single person - not one - came bounding up to me to say they were planning to vote Conservative on Dec 12th to get Brexit done (or indeed for any other reason). "Oh, but I bet you just popped to the corner store," I hear people protesting. Well no, actually. I was out for almost two hours and I went to a number of places. So. Game on.

    They hadn't heard Corbyn Venezeula part 2 speech today. Mad as a box of frogs
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    Even in a drubbing, parties always take one or two seats against the tide.

    My prediction for a Labour gain is .....

    .... Arfon.

    It is highly marginal. Only Plaid Cymru or Labour are going to win this seat.

    And Plaid Cymru could easily end up having a worse election than Labour.

    You then may be interested in the 4/6 available from Ladbrokes that Plaid end up with 4 seats (as now) or less. I have put something on that and it's still available.

    Essentially, that's a bet that Plaid will EITHER fail to pick up Ynys Mon from Labour in a 3 way contest with the Conservatives OR lose at least one of their 4 seats.

    I think it's more likely than not that the LDs will take back Ceredigion. I can't see Labour picking up Arfon though.

    Ynys Mon seems a tall order for Plaid as a Remain party. 51% voted Leave there and the remain vote could be fairly evenly divided between Lab and Plaid, so there is potential for the Tories to come through from a starting position equal with Plaid. 19% of 2017 Plaid voters are switching to the Tories, according to the last YouGov.
    Welsh language issues resonate in Anglesey more than elsewhere. Makes the Tory task much more difficult.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said: Burgon is puzzling - according to Wiki he went to Cambridge and trained as a solicitor.


    "Perhaps in his younger days he could row a boat or kick a ball?"


    Maybe, though he doesn`t appear capable of rowing a boat or kicking a ball.
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.
    Who's gonna buy the NHS? Might be worth starting over with 21st century model
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    Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268

    blueblue said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!

    How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
    You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.

    So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.

    Capitalism is fooked
    Nonsense.

    The super rich don’t make people poor. In your envy-ridden, green eyed little world maybe. But not in the real world.

    They pay more tax every year already than most of us will earn in a lifetime. Without them paying the tax they are legally obliged to pay you’ll find all the little free owls we’re so enamoured with just won’t be there.

    When they are their companies flee who’s going to pay for you then? Who’ll be next? The rich evil middle classes I presume?

    Socialism is a paralysing, stultifying creed. It’s parasitic.
    The super rich do however push up prices for things in limited supply like houses and commodities. And they divert the productive resources of the economy towards supporting their consumerist desires rather than the needs of the many.

    The correct approach is mixed market social democracy. A progressive enough taxation system to get as much as you can from the rich without scaring them off. Which is a much higher level than most conservatives pretend.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    One things for sure Corbyn won’t be a lapdog for Trump .
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196

    Pelosi is choking in a news conference, it is cringeworthy. She keeps tripping over her words and saying the wrong words.

    It is amazing the ages of the top politicians in US. Most of them are ready to drop , struggle to remember who they are/where they are etc, unbelievable.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,564
    The simple fact is that anyone who stands to be elected as a Labour MP is campaigning to make Jeremy Corbyn prime minister. There is no way round this – no pretence, as in 2017, that Labour can’t win so there’s no chance of him becoming PM. You are either with Labour – and all that means – or against it.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/31/labour-party-has-become-even-rotten-ideologically-extreme-since/
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    nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    nico67 said:

    One things for sure Corbyn won’t be a lapdog for Trump .

    No, just Hezbollah and Hamas
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196

    Tabman said:

    OllyT said:

    FPT:

    Lib Dems not contesting Beaconsfield.

    Wonder how much of this we will see?

    The lib dems have to be careful here. Don't stand down against too many labour MPs, just because they are strong remainers.

    Wouldn't want to frighten the horses in the leafy enclaves they are trying to take off the tories.
    Surely this is just a special case supporting Dominic Grieve?
    Dunno I have read (I think on here? ) that a number of MPs are going to get a free run off the lib dems, including some labour. Nothing certain yet?? guess talks are ongoing.
    The LibDems prefer elections when there is only one candidate name on the ballot.
    Your hatred of the Lib Dems borders on the pathological. You are entitled to your views but tyou are so obsessed it renders your comments worthless.

    We have an electoral system that unfairly discriminates against any party other than Labour and the Tories. The minor parties are therefore driven to do what they can to mitigate that bias. If you honestly can't see that then I should give up if I were you.
    Nonsense. Does the electoral system discriminate against the SNP?

    The electoral system rewards success and penalises favour. It has no regard to which party is which.
    Nonsense. We have an electoral system that favours parties with geographically-concentrated support.
    The point is that the SNP **were** a small party once. They grew under FPTP to take almost every seat in Scotland.

    They didn't grow by asking every other party to stand down, so they get a clear run.

    They grew by having a reasonably clear vision and persuading voters in their droves to vote for it.

    Why can't the LibDems do this? Why are they always the Dick Dastardly of politics with some cunning ruse that blows up in their face?
    They are useless losers
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    ydoethur said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."

    Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
    I believe it was mostly inherited, although I could be wrong.

    Worth remembering that although he’s from a wealthy background and had a well-paid job, he got into financial difficulties at one point and had to default on his mortgage. So he can’t have been saving up from way back.

    If therefore he didn’t inherit the money, the Morning Star must be paying columnists out of all proportion to a paper with the circulation of a fair-sized nunnery.
    How is MS funded?
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    timmo said:

    Even in a drubbing, parties always take one or two seats against the tide.

    My prediction for a Labour gain is .....

    .... Arfon.

    It is highly marginal. Only Plaid Cymru or Labour are going to win this seat.

    And Plaid Cymru could easily end up having a worse election than Labour.

    I’m not doubting your prediction, but did the Tories really take any seats off anyone in ‘97?

    Just for clarity I am not expecting a result like 1997 this time for either side.
    Will Gower turn Blue again?
    My guess is yes. The Labour MP for Gower is exceptionally unplesant.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-43797547

    I know more about the story behind this shabby episode.

    I am very unlikely to vote in the forthcoming election, and have been railing against people voting negatively ! But, in the Gower, I'd have no compunction about voting to oust the sitting MP.
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    Corbyn is certainly doing a great job at giving the impression that the most right wing lunatic fringe government this country has ever seen is closer to the sensible middle than he is. Well done Jeremy. Perhaps we should give you an honorary E Grade A level in Government and Politics.
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    PierrotPierrot Posts: 112

    blueblue said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!

    How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
    You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.

    So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.

    Capitalism is fooked
    Nonsense.

    The super rich don’t make people poor. In your envy-ridden, green eyed little world maybe. But not in the real world.

    They pay more tax every year already than most of us will earn in a lifetime. Without them paying the tax they are legally obliged to pay you’ll find all the little free owls we’re so enamoured with just won’t be there.

    When they are their companies flee who’s going to pay for you then? Who’ll be next? The rich evil middle classes I presume?

    Socialism is a paralysing, stultifying creed. It’s parasitic.
    That's four things wrong with it then. Are Tories on the back foot much?

    Just for fun, I composed the converse of your final sentence: "Capitalism is an invigorating, enthusiasm-generating, non-prescriptive philosophy which enhances the lives of those who aren't signed up to it".

    Bring on the head-to-head debate, Johnson versus Corbyn. Lots of Tories in the audience too, please, with cameras ready to catch their interventions.
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    Roger said:

    "Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.

    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!

    EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!


    £70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,564

    kinabalu said:

    Anyway, good news. I have been out and about today and was struck by something wholly positive. Not a single person - not one - came bounding up to me to say they were planning to vote Conservative on Dec 12th to get Brexit done (or indeed for any other reason). "Oh, but I bet you just popped to the corner store," I hear people protesting. Well no, actually. I was out for almost two hours and I went to a number of places. So. Game on.

    They hadn't heard Corbyn Venezeula part 2 speech today. Mad as a box of frogs
    That's a problem though. Voters not paying attention to the actual plans of Labour, rather than the occasional FB advert about foodbanks.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,533
    malcolmg said:

    Pelosi is choking in a news conference, it is cringeworthy. She keeps tripping over her words and saying the wrong words.

    It is amazing the ages of the top politicians in US. Most of them are ready to drop , struggle to remember who they are/where they are etc, unbelievable.
    Symptomatic of a generation who do not want to relinquish control. It’s very pronounced in the US, I think.
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    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    If Trump were Machiavellian, and wanted Johnson to win, he should spend all the time emphasising how similar Corbyn is to himself.

    That way Labour would be struggling to finish fourth.
    Well it is said that Trump is Putin's, how shall I put it, favoured western politician, and one rarely hears Corbyn criticise Vlad, so maybe there is something complex going on here!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    kinabalu said:

    Anyway, good news. I have been out and about today and was struck by something wholly positive. Not a single person - not one - came bounding up to me to say they were planning to vote Conservative on Dec 12th to get Brexit done (or indeed for any other reason). "Oh, but I bet you just popped to the corner store," I hear people protesting. Well no, actually. I was out for almost two hours and I went to a number of places. So. Game on.

    They hadn't heard Corbyn Venezeula part 2 speech today. Mad as a box of frogs
    May I gently remind you, BigG, that Chavez won four presidential elections on exactly that prospectus in a country with good levels of education. And while Corbyn has said - probably unintentionally- that he intends to abolish elections, he hasn’t yet to my knowledge attempted a military coup. So his task of persuading people he can be trusted to take power lawfully should theoretically be easier.

    The problem is people do like the idea of something for nothing. They like the idea that if they can’t have what they want, it’s somebody else’s fault. After years of stagnant incomes, they like the idea of higher wages and shorter hours.

    Yes, you know it’s uncosted bollocks that would lead to catastrophe. I know that. Probably even Nick Palmer, in his heart of hearts, knows that. But others won’t do that level of detail.

    That’s precisely why people like Corbyn - populist, unprincipled and completely unscrupulous - are so very dangerous.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,564
    People who think Corbyn is fit to be PM #1

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1189902562566131712
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    If Trump were Machiavellian, and wanted Johnson to win, he should spend all the time emphasising how similar Corbyn is to himself.

    That way Labour would be struggling to finish fourth.
    What would it do for Trump?
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    The simple fact is that anyone who stands to be elected as a Labour MP is campaigning to make Jeremy Corbyn prime minister. There is no way round this – no pretence, as in 2017, that Labour can’t win so there’s no chance of him becoming PM. You are either with Labour – and all that means – or against it.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/31/labour-party-has-become-even-rotten-ideologically-extreme-since/

    If the lib dems give a few of labour's deepest remainers a free run to facilitate a revoke, are they campaigning to make JC PM?
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    edited October 2019
    nunu2 said:

    nico67 said:

    One things for sure Corbyn won’t be a lapdog for Trump .

    No, just Hezbollah and Hamas
    Most of the public wouldn’t even know who they are . The more Trump slags off Corbyn the better for Labour .

    Labour will tie Trump to Bozo on the NHS . I expect that will be one of their main messages .
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    ydoethur said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."

    Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
    I believe it was mostly inherited, although I could be wrong.

    Worth remembering that although he’s from a wealthy background and had a well-paid job, he got into financial difficulties at one point and had to default on his mortgage. So he can’t have been saving up from way back.

    If therefore he didn’t inherit the money, the Morning Star must be paying columnists out of all proportion to a paper with the circulation of a fair-sized nunnery.
    How is MS funded?
    I think it's mainly bequests from their dwindling readership as they die off.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196
    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
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    nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453

    People who think Corbyn is fit to be PM #1

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1189902562566131712

    Do we think Starmer will vote tactically for the libdems?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911

    blueblue said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!

    How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
    You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.

    So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.

    Capitalism is fooked
    Nonsense.

    The super rich don’t make people poor. In your envy-ridden, green eyed little world maybe. But not in the real world.

    They pay more tax every year already than most of us will earn in a lifetime. Without them paying the tax they are legally obliged to pay you’ll find all the little free owls we’re so enamoured with just won’t be there.

    When they are their companies flee who’s going to pay for you then? Who’ll be next? The rich evil middle classes I presume?

    Socialism is a paralysing, stultifying creed. It’s parasitic.
    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    If Trump were Machiavellian, and wanted Johnson to win, he should spend all the time emphasising how similar Corbyn is to himself.

    That way Labour would be struggling to finish fourth.
    What would it do for Trump?
    Well, Corbyn’s a millionaire. Maybe he could slip him fifty big ones?
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    ydoethur said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."

    Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
    I believe it was mostly inherited, although I could be wrong.

    Worth remembering that although he’s from a wealthy background and had a well-paid job, he got into financial difficulties at one point and had to default on his mortgage. So he can’t have been saving up from way back.

    If therefore he didn’t inherit the money, the Morning Star must be paying columnists out of all proportion to a paper with the circulation of a fair-sized nunnery.
    How is MS funded?
    They had to do a fundraiser to stay afloat a few years ago, I remember that.

    Good to see that the editor is salt of the earth working class:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Chacko
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,460

    They hadn't heard Corbyn Venezeula part 2 speech today. Mad as a box of frogs

    But you are quite the Boris fan now, aren't you?, having held him in something close to contempt just a few short months ago. You have been on a 'journey' as they say. Which is always attractive if genuine. For example, on reality TV shows the winner tends to be the one who appears to the viewers to have gone on the biggest journey. Conclusion? If PB was a reality TV show you would be a strong in-running favourite to scoop the prize. Unfortunately it isn't. Yet.
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    ydoethur said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."

    Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
    I believe it was mostly inherited, although I could be wrong.

    Worth remembering that although he’s from a wealthy background and had a well-paid job, he got into financial difficulties at one point and had to default on his mortgage. So he can’t have been saving up from way back.

    If therefore he didn’t inherit the money, the Morning Star must be paying columnists out of all proportion to a paper with the circulation of a fair-sized nunnery.
    How is MS funded?
    Back in the eighties the Soviet Union subscibed to most of the print run. I remember being in Moscow in ‘86 trying to find out who had won the F1 Championship and Morning Star was the only English Language paper available. Their motorsports coverage was rubbish.
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Roger said:

    "Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.

    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
    THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!

    EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!


    £70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.
    you do maths too!!!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187

    Just done three and a half hours canvassing in Totnes constituency.

    We had to give up as it was getting dark - and the gangs of trick or treat kids said they couldn't compete in the horror stakes with a bunch of Tories knocking on doors!

    BTW, Dr. Sarah Wollaston's name is mud out there...... Even those who are LibDems raise their eyebrows heavenwards.

    I think the darkness is a big thing in relation to Tories targeting Labour held seats. Unless volunteers are local and familiar with an area. You would not want to be out in the dark in a deprived area with a Blue rosette! :wink:
    Easy. Just say "Boris?"

    The chance of getting glassed by one his ex's there is slight.....
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
    All the dodgers have already gone or at least their cash has, London is not Laundry central for nothing.
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    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer

    Trickle down economics works.

    The plebs should be grateful.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    ydoethur said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."

    Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
    I believe it was mostly inherited, although I could be wrong.

    Worth remembering that although he’s from a wealthy background and had a well-paid job, he got into financial difficulties at one point and had to default on his mortgage. So he can’t have been saving up from way back.

    If therefore he didn’t inherit the money, the Morning Star must be paying columnists out of all proportion to a paper with the circulation of a fair-sized nunnery.
    How is MS funded?
    Back in the eighties the Soviet Union subscibed to most of the print run. I remember being in Moscow in ‘86 trying to find out who had won the F1 Championship and Morning Star was the only English Language paper available. Their motorsports coverage was rubbish.
    The whole paper has always been a car crash.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196

    What do we all think of a four day week? So much time is wasted on pointless meetings it could be an idea whose time has come.

    Get on with the job!

    No way could firms afford it and people could not take a 20% pay cut. Nice thought but would be a disaster.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537
    malcolmg said:

    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
    Those goals were more open than Jessica Vardy’s Instagram account.

    Burgon really is a bit dim, isn’t he? The one about Brown was poor, but the one about horses...just unbelievable. He’s made Diane Abbott look competent.
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    nunu2 said:

    People who think Corbyn is fit to be PM #1

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1189902562566131712

    Do we think Starmer will vote tactically for the libdems?
    He'll be last off the sinking ship in his own crewed lifeboat
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    StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    nunu2 said:

    nico67 said:

    One things for sure Corbyn won’t be a lapdog for Trump .

    No, just Hezbollah and Hamas
    Do they want to take over the NHS too?
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    £10 minimum wage for 16 year old is a policy that will create huge youth employment

    Most businesses will give youth a chance to learn and develop but if at the same minimum wage as a mature worker they will not get that chance
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    If Trump were Machiavellian, and wanted Johnson to win, he should spend all the time emphasising how similar Corbyn is to himself.

    That way Labour would be struggling to finish fourth.
    What would it do for Trump?
    Well, Corbyn’s a millionaire. Maybe he could slip him fifty big ones?
    50 million???
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    £10 minimum wage for 16 year old is a policy that will create huge youth employment

    Most businesses will give youth a chance to learn and develop but if at the same minimum wage as a mature worker they will not get that chance

    The same was said in 1997.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer

    Trickle down economics works.

    The plebs should be grateful.
    Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    ydoethur said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."

    Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
    I believe it was mostly inherited, although I could be wrong.

    Worth remembering that although he’s from a wealthy background and had a well-paid job, he got into financial difficulties at one point and had to default on his mortgage. So he can’t have been saving up from way back.

    If therefore he didn’t inherit the money, the Morning Star must be paying columnists out of all proportion to a paper with the circulation of a fair-sized nunnery.
    How is MS funded?
    They had to do a fundraiser to stay afloat a few years ago, I remember that.

    Good to see that the editor is salt of the earth working class:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Chacko
    seems well suited
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    If Trump were Machiavellian, and wanted Johnson to win, he should spend all the time emphasising how similar Corbyn is to himself.

    That way Labour would be struggling to finish fourth.
    What would it do for Trump?
    Well, Corbyn’s a millionaire. Maybe he could slip him fifty big ones?
    50 million???
    I was thinking thousands, but maybe after Macdonnell starts printing money...
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. Eagles, but there are different levels of pay for younger workers.

    Currently an employer weighs up greater experience of older workers versus the lower cost of younger ones. The only advantage younger workers has over those with more experience gets removed with this.
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    ydoethur said:

    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer

    Trickle down economics works.

    The plebs should be grateful.
    Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?
    He didn't read Law, he read English Literature at St John's, he must have gotten in as chorister.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
    Those goals were more open than Jessica Vardy’s Instagram account.

    Burgon really is a bit dim, isn’t he? The one about Brown was poor, but the one about horses...just unbelievable. He’s made Diane Abbott look competent.
    Tbf he himself didn’t say anything about horses
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911

    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer

    Trickle down economics works.

    The plebs should be grateful.
    Tell that to the homeless

    A good kick in the Arse is the kind of gratitude yo were expecting i assume

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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
    All the dodgers have already gone or at least their cash has, London is not Laundry central for nothing.
    It's a very clean city
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    kinabalu said:

    They hadn't heard Corbyn Venezeula part 2 speech today. Mad as a box of frogs

    But you are quite the Boris fan now, aren't you?, having held him in something close to contempt just a few short months ago. You have been on a 'journey' as they say. Which is always attractive if genuine. For example, on reality TV shows the winner tends to be the one who appears to the viewers to have gone on the biggest journey. Conclusion? If PB was a reality TV show you would be a strong in-running favourite to scoop the prize. Unfortunately it isn't. Yet.
    I am a very genuine person as anyone who knows me will tell you

    But Corbyn today went full on Venezeula today and is not fit to lead our Country
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,952
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
    Those goals were more open than Jessica Vardy’s Instagram account.

    Burgon really is a bit dim, isn’t he? The one about Brown was poor, but the one about horses...just unbelievable. He’s made Diane Abbott look competent.
    Is Jessica Rebekah's sister...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    ydoethur said:

    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer

    Trickle down economics works.

    The plebs should be grateful.
    Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?
    He didn't read Law, he read English Literature at St John's, he must have gotten in as chorister.
    A chorister?

    He can sing?

    I would have sworn he had no vocal training whatsoever given the roughness of his diction.

    That really is surprising.
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Streeter said:

    nunu2 said:

    nico67 said:

    One things for sure Corbyn won’t be a lapdog for Trump .

    No, just Hezbollah and Hamas
    Do they want to take over the NHS too?
    You'll be tempting JC now
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537
    edited October 2019
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
    Those goals were more open than Jessica Vardy’s Instagram account.

    Burgon really is a bit dim, isn’t he? The one about Brown was poor, but the one about horses...just unbelievable. He’s made Diane Abbott look competent.
    Is Jessica Rebekah's sister...
    Is that her name? Ooops.

    Tbf, I have more interesting things to do than follow sleb bitch-slapping. I blame the girls in my form group for such knowledge as I have.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Outside the train station there were a group of people dressed in Halloween costumes handing out People's Vote leaflets, (complete with Halloween sound effects):

    https://ibb.co/M8m7bqf
    https://ibb.co/nbym85t
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    £10 minimum wage for 16 year old is a policy that will create huge youth employment

    Most businesses will give youth a chance to learn and develop but if at the same minimum wage as a mature worker they will not get that chance

    The same was said in 1997.
    It is nonsense for 16 year olds and would close thousands of sme's
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    spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,312
    does Nigel Farage have to give up the radio show during the general election?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
    Those goals were more open than Jessica Vardy’s Instagram account.

    Burgon really is a bit dim, isn’t he? The one about Brown was poor, but the one about horses...just unbelievable. He’s made Diane Abbott look competent.
    Burgon isn't even halfway to being a half-wit......
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    Mr. Eagles, but there are different levels of pay for younger workers.

    Currently an employer weighs up greater experience of older workers versus the lower cost of younger ones. The only advantage younger workers has over those with more experience gets removed with this.

    Exactly
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,220
    Loving the BBC getting their knickers in a twist over Trump. Of course, what Obama did was totally okay.

    (Trump's intervention is about as helpful to Boris as Obama's intervention was for Remain).
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
    Those goals were more open than Jessica Vardy’s Instagram account.

    Burgon really is a bit dim, isn’t he? The one about Brown was poor, but the one about horses...just unbelievable. He’s made Diane Abbott look competent.
    Burgon isn't even halfway to being a half-wit......
    that's nearly cruel
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    blueblue said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!

    How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
    You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.

    So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.

    Capitalism is fooked
    Nonsense.

    The super rich don’t make people poor. In your envy-ridden, green eyed little world maybe. But not in the real world.

    They pay more tax every year already than most of us will earn in a lifetime. Without them paying the tax they are legally obliged to pay you’ll find all the little free owls we’re so enamoured with just won’t be there.

    When they are their companies flee who’s going to pay for you then? Who’ll be next? The rich evil middle classes I presume?

    Socialism is a paralysing, stultifying creed. It’s parasitic.
    Do you recognise the possibility that there must be some stage at which your argument becomes absurd? The differential between CEO and average Joe pay in the US is now 20x what it was in 1965. Is this because CEOs are 20x as productive as they were in the 60s, or were underpaid by a factor of 20 in the 60s, or are we looking at some sort of cartel in which they pay themselves more because they can? If you are happy with the situation now, is there no multiplier - say 200x or 20,000x - at which you will start thinking there may be something fishy going on? If there is something fishy going on, don't you think it would be more owl-productive to stop it altogether, because 100% of a fuck of a lot of money buys more owls than the tax on the same fuck of a lot of money?
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer

    Trickle down economics works.

    The plebs should be grateful.
    Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?
    He didn't read Law, he read English Literature at St John's, he must have gotten in as chorister.
    A chorister?

    He can sing?

    I would have sworn he had no vocal training whatsoever given the roughness of his diction.

    That really is surprising.
    I have no idea, I'm speculating.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196

    blueblue said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!

    How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
    You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.

    So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.

    Capitalism is fooked
    It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.
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    tlg86 said:

    Loving the BBC getting their knickers in a twist over Trump. Of course, what Obama did was totally okay.

    (Trump's intervention is about as helpful to Boris as Obama's intervention was for Remain).

    Indeed
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    spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,312

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
    Those goals were more open than Jessica Vardy’s Instagram account.

    Burgon really is a bit dim, isn’t he? The one about Brown was poor, but the one about horses...just unbelievable. He’s made Diane Abbott look competent.
    Burgon isn't even halfway to being a half-wit......
    that's nearly cruel
    how can the truth be cruel?
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    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer

    Trickle down economics works.

    The plebs should be grateful.
    Tell that to the homeless

    A good kick in the Arse is the kind of gratitude yo were expecting i assume

    Making the rich poorer doesn't help poor.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    spudgfsh said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    How dire can you be for Burley to outwit you
    Those goals were more open than Jessica Vardy’s Instagram account.

    Burgon really is a bit dim, isn’t he? The one about Brown was poor, but the one about horses...just unbelievable. He’s made Diane Abbott look competent.
    Burgon isn't even halfway to being a half-wit......
    that's nearly cruel
    how can the truth be cruel?
    You need to get out in the world.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Are the Tories going to spend the entire election referencing Brexit sound bites or are they actually going to focus on Labour policies (and in a forensic way that will actually be effective). At the moment (although haven’t been paying much attention) I’m getting

    “Corbyn says X, Johnson says he delayed Brexit, Corbyn said Y, Johnson says he can’t get Brexit done, Corbyn announces slaughter of the first born, Johnson “but Brexit”...”
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,450
    edited October 2019
    malcolmg said:

    blueblue said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!

    How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
    You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.

    So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.

    Capitalism is fooked
    It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.
    You have got it in one there, Malc
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    Corbyn has such bad ratings, and so obviously prefers being on campaign than any other aspect of the job, that one might almost think he intentionally sees the poll share drop, just so he demonstrate how good he can be at raising it during that crucial 6 weeks. Damn risky.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537
    malcolmg said:

    blueblue said:

    Pierrot said:

    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.

    "Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.

    And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.

    Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!

    How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
    You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.

    So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.

    Capitalism is fooked
    It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.
    Shame that Corbyn sees nothing wrong with, say, Ian Lavery’s interesting financial arrangements.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,952
    Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.

    Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.

    If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,942
    spudgfsh said:

    does Nigel Farage have to give up the radio show during the general election?

    Yes.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,537

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever

    Capitalism isnt working for them is it?

    Your having a Laffer

    Trickle down economics works.

    The plebs should be grateful.
    Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?
    He didn't read Law, he read English Literature at St John's, he must have gotten in as chorister.
    A chorister?

    He can sing?

    I would have sworn he had no vocal training whatsoever given the roughness of his diction.

    That really is surprising.
    I have no idea, I'm speculating.
    So are we back to fellatio again?

    Umm, that is, as a possible explanation for his matriculation.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196

    nico67 said:

    Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.

    If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,

    The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .

    Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.
    Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,942
    Foxy said:



    Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters

    Let's hope the kids don't hear too much from Piers Corbyn then! :D
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