Loving the BBC getting their knickers in a twist over Trump. Of course, what Obama did was totally okay.
(Trump's intervention is about as helpful to Boris as Obama's intervention was for Remain).
Trump providing a regular commentary, as I'm sure Nigel could arrange, could be the black swan of this election. Anything Trump says is likely to be bad for Boris.
Are the Tories going to spend the entire election referencing Brexit sound bites or are they actually going to focus on Labour policies (and in a forensic way that will actually be effective). At the moment (although haven’t been paying much attention) I’m getting
“Corbyn says X, Johnson says he delayed Brexit, Corbyn said Y, Johnson says he can’t get Brexit done, Corbyn announces slaughter of the first born, Johnson “but Brexit”...”
Boris was full on the NHS, schools and police today affirming from the end of January we would be out and br able to get on with all these issues
So far he has not attacked Corbyn's policies but plenty of others are
Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever
Capitalism isnt working for them is it?
Your having a Laffer
Trickle down economics works.
The plebs should be grateful.
Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?
He didn't read Law, he read English Literature at St John's, he must have gotten in as chorister.
A chorister?
He can sing?
I would have sworn he had no vocal training whatsoever given the roughness of his diction.
That really is surprising.
I have no idea, I'm speculating.
So are we back to fellatio again?
Umm, that is, as a possible explanation for his matriculation.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.
Capitalism is fooked
It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.
Shame that Corbyn sees nothing wrong with, say, Ian Lavery’s interesting financial arrangements.
Entirely unrelated, but in the spirit of former President Obama's work on woke culture, I actually encountered the first person I have ever met who used the term work unironically. I was beginning to think 'woke' was purely a term used by opponents of workness on the right, and Obama.
Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
The key to undermining his credibility will be a proper job on the costings. They won’t add up, because they never do with Corbyn.
You do wonder however whether Javid will be up to doing that, and Johnson certainly isn’t.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.
Capitalism is fooked
It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.
Yes, I read something like that in the Guardian (prop. Apax partners, Cayman Islands)
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.
Capitalism is fooked
It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.
Shame that Corbyn sees nothing wrong with, say, Ian Lavery’s interesting financial arrangements.
Ydoether, they are all cheeks of the same arse.
No argument from me Malc, I’ve been saying it for months.
How are the turnips, btw? Looks like we need some...
Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever
Capitalism isnt working for them is it?
Your having a Laffer
Trickle down economics works.
The plebs should be grateful.
Hey, TSE, glad you’re on. You’re a Cambridge educated lawyer. How could Richard Burgon have got a law degree from the place? Is there any explanation that doesn’t include fellatio, bribery or a changeling?
He didn't read Law, he read English Literature at St John's, he must have gotten in as chorister.
A chorister?
He can sing?
I would have sworn he had no vocal training whatsoever given the roughness of his diction.
That really is surprising.
I have no idea, I'm speculating.
So are we back to fellatio again?
Umm, that is, as a possible explanation for his matriculation.
You're finding fellatio hard to swallow?
It’s just a stiff challenge to think how somebody as dense as him could (a) have got in and (b) got a degree.
I’m putting forward the more common ones as suggestions.
I don’t think chorister works, on a number of levels. All other considerations aside, they don’t guarantee a pass for singing tenor in chapel.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
The key to undermining his credibility will be a proper job on the costings. They won’t add up, because they never do with Corbyn.
You do wonder however whether Javid will be up to doing that, and Johnson certainly isn’t.
Brexit has shredded the Tory reputation for fiscal rectitude, that one simply won't wash this time.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
The key to undermining his credibility will be a proper job on the costings. They won’t add up, because they never do with Corbyn.
You do wonder however whether Javid will be up to doing that, and Johnson certainly isn’t.
Brexit has shredded the Tory reputation for fiscal rectitude, that one simply won't wash this time.
Well, it will if there’s another £250 billion black hole in an allegedly fully costed manifesto. I just don’t think anyone will investigate it in sufficient depth to make a difference.
Loving the BBC getting their knickers in a twist over Trump. Of course, what Obama did was totally okay.
(Trump's intervention is about as helpful to Boris as Obama's intervention was for Remain).
Trump providing a regular commentary, as I'm sure Nigel could arrange, could be the black swan of this election. Anything Trump says is likely to be bad for Boris.
Trump's intervention is great stuff. In an interview with Farage, no less. Honestly worth as much for us as the excellent launch (quite fairly reported by the 6 o'clock news, I thought - pros and cons for each policy mentioned).
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
£10 minimum wage for 16 year old is a policy that will create huge youth employment
Most businesses will give youth a chance to learn and develop but if at the same minimum wage as a mature worker they will not get that chance
G , did you mean unemployment, hard to see businesses paying £10 an hour to 16 year olds.
In 1987, the Alliance circulated one million copies of a leaflet confidently stating their policies would reduce employment by over one million in three years before anyone spotted the typo.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.
Capitalism is fooked
It is hard to have sympathy when these rich barstewards are not happy having more money than they could ever spend and still avoid tax, cheat lies steal etc. People are quite happy that people are rich , it the cheating tax etc that gets them.
Shame that Corbyn sees nothing wrong with, say, Ian Lavery’s interesting financial arrangements.
Ydoether, they are all cheeks of the same arse.
No argument from me Malc, I’ve been saying it for months.
How are the turnips, btw? Looks like we need some...
They need to be loaded with shrapnel and jaggy things
Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
If I was Johnson I’d tell Trump to stay quiet . Labours main message will be to tie Bozo to him in terms of the NHS,
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
Johnson selling off the NHS could kill his plans to win a majority.
Him saying they would take Scottish NHS under Westminster control will have delighted the Tories in Scotland. That will help them on doorsteps.
Boris has affirmed on many occasions the NHS is not for sale so selling it off either before or after the GE will not happen
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS
Threatening to take control of it from Scottish government and moving it to Westminster is a pretty stupid move that only a nasty cretin like him could come up with. He really is desperate to bust the union and get shot of Scotland.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
It's the wrong question, though. The right question is whether they will vote Labour in greater or fewer droves than they did in 2017 and 2015. It's always important to remember that tactical voting is baked in to the starting positions.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
It's the wrong question, though. The right question is whether they will vote Labour in greater or fewer droves than they did in 2017 and 2015. It's always important to remember that tactical voting is baked in to the starting positions.
Difficult question, as there weren't as many thinking of LD last time to be squeezed further (though they were indeed squeezed). I think the answer is they won't to the same degree, so it will see a Tory majority unless Farage buggers it up, or Boris has a May like campaign.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
That’s rubbish if you are thinking of voting lib dem it’s because you either believe in them or you think the two alternatives are equally evil. No way would I vote for either corbyn or Johnson both being the worst UK politics have ever put before the people.
It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?
nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by his side if I recall correctly).
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?
No, not at all. I can't even follow the logic for why those things would be the same. Perhaps if the Chief Rabbi of the UK supported Corbyn, it might be comparable. But he doesn't so it isn't.
nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by hos side if I recall correctly).
If I was Labour I’d throw diplomacy out of the window , play that clip and then show the pally pics of Bozo and Trump .
A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.
Trump backed Farage and criticised the Boris trade deal as potentially restricting US UK trade which could reassure swing voters thinking of voting Tory that the NHS will not be on the table after Labour attacks on that today.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers
It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?
No, not at all. I can't even follow the logic for why those things would be the same. Perhaps if the Chief Rabbi of the UK supported Corbyn, it might be comparable. But he doesn't so it isn't.
You are saying that because one Unionist has no problem with the deal that invalidates the many, many Unionists who have a very big problem with it.
Why are the poorest getting poorer and the top 1% richer than ever
Capitalism isnt working for them is it?
Your having a Laffer
Trickle down economics works.
The plebs should be grateful.
Tell that to the homeless
A good kick in the Arse is the kind of gratitude yo were expecting i assume
Making the rich poorer doesn't help poor.
It does if you give the poor some of the rich's money. That is literally the way that redistributive taxation works, and is highly effective at reducing inequality.
The public already known Boris gets on with Trump. It’s priced in.
The public expects the US to try and do us over in a trade deal.
At present, a lot of people clearly don’t care if Trump likes Boris (they may think it’s useful) and believe Boris will defend us in a trade deal.
To make headway, Labour needs to convince people that Boris won’t defend the U.K. position. All Boris has to do is maintain the current view of his declared voters, and if he needs it he has a chance to grandstand with Trump at the NATO summit in December.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
The Withdrawal Agreement protects those rights. And Boris Johnson, for all his faults, called for that to be done unilaterally very early.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
That’s rubbish if you are thinking of voting lib dem it’s because you either believe in them or you think the two alternatives are equally evil. No way would I vote for either corbyn or Johnson both being the worst UK politics have ever put before the people.
That depends on the reason for thinking of voting LD (which, by the way, includes me). If the primary reason is remainery then it's simply the case that the Labour remainer candidate is, in many places, a better bet than a LD no hoper. People would easily justify it as not voting for Corbyn or Johnson but for local candidate X, who is a decent sort. I see no reason to disbelieve the good doctor in thinking Corbyn's party could get a lot of LD tactical votes.
People will vote tactically, they always do, it's a question of how many will do so this time.
It's not a matter of denigrating the LDs, I think Labour figures often take them for granted and treat them like automatic lackeys when they are, of course, their own party with their own views. But if it is about remain then Labour will get tacticals. If it is not about remain, then Leave via the Tories will win. It's up to LDs to decide.
nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by hos side if I recall correctly).
If I was Labour I’d throw diplomacy out of the window , play that clip and then show the pally pics of Bozo and Trump .
Because that video showing Corbyn working with and supporting actual mass murderers made such a difference for Theresa May in 2017...
A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.
Trump backed Farage and criticised the Boris trade deal as potentially restricting US UK trade which could reassure swing voters thinking of voting Tory that the NHS will not be on the table after Labour attacks on that today.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers
It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?
No, not at all. I can't even follow the logic for why those things would be the same. Perhaps if the Chief Rabbi of the UK supported Corbyn, it might be comparable. But he doesn't so it isn't.
You are saying that because one Unionist has no problem with the deal that invalidates the many, many Unionists who have a very big problem with it.
He is not "one unionist". He was the leader of the unionist side in the most decisive political event in the last 40 years of Northern Irish history.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.
Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? Intuitively it seems blindingly obvious that 1,000 millionaires are going to circulate a lot more of £1bn than one billionaire is.
Foxy said: "Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him."
Any pictures of Mrs Foxy?
Perhaps she is one of the adoring women pictured behind Jo Swinson, frantically waving a gigantic orange placard saying "Jo Swinson", as shown on page 3 of the article "Jo Swinson, The Prime Minister We Deserve" in my just-received glossy LibDem pamphlet entitled "Jo Swinson, Britain's Next Prime Minister".
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
I would assume good days for Corbyn will take a few days to filter through to any polling. Its not like Labour immediately jumped 10 points once the campaign started last time.
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
I think Labour are in trouble regardless of the good campaign launch . But Trump backing Johnson isn’t good for him .
A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.
Trump backed Farage and criticised the Boris trade deal as potentially restricting US UK trade which could reassure swing voters thinking of voting Tory that the NHS will not be on the table after Labour attacks on that today.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers
The Guardian quoted an old poll that had 19% UK [GB?] who were pro-Trump and 2/3rds anti-Trump - but in the weird way that Republican attitudes on Russia have changed since their leader was so pally with Putin, it's possible that this could boost support for Trump in the UK along the existing polarisation, rather than move people from one side to the other.
A celebrity endorsement from Trump to a British audience is likely to be about as effective as Hannibal Lecter promoting liver.
Trump backed Farage and criticised the Boris trade deal as potentially restricting US UK trade which could reassure swing voters thinking of voting Tory that the NHS will not be on the table after Labour attacks on that today.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers
The Guardian quoted an old poll that had 19% UK [GB?] who were pro-Trump and 2/3rds anti-Trump - but in the weird way that Republican attitudes on Russia have changed since their leader was so pally with Putin, it's possible that this could boost support for Trump in the UK along the existing polarisation, rather than move people from one side to the other.
Brexit Party voters give Trump a net positive rating, so it could boost Boris with them
nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by hos side if I recall correctly).
If I was Labour I’d throw diplomacy out of the window , play that clip and then show the pally pics of Bozo and Trump .
Because that video showing Corbyn working with and supporting actual mass murderers made such a difference for Theresa May in 2017...
Doesn't mean playing up the Trump angle won't be more effective. Particularly since it works in the national NHS religion angle too.
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
The Withdrawal Agreement protects those rights. And Boris Johnson, for all his faults, called for that to be done unilaterally very early.
Yes, that's what they say, but that's not been the experience of EU citizens interacting with the Home Office. At the beginning of this week there was a statutory instrument passed that restricted the rights of EU/EEA/Swiss/Turkish citizens from owning and running businesses (including self-employment) in the UK after Exit Day.
It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.
Is David Trimble approving the deal thereby invalidating the idea that the deal is throwing NI under a bus the same as Jeremy Corbyn spending time with some Jews thus invalidating his anti-semitism?
No, not at all. I can't even follow the logic for why those things would be the same. Perhaps if the Chief Rabbi of the UK supported Corbyn, it might be comparable. But he doesn't so it isn't.
You are saying that because one Unionist has no problem with the deal that invalidates the many, many Unionists who have a very big problem with it.
He is not "one unionist". He was the leader of the unionist side in the most decisive political event in the last 40 years of Northern Irish history.
So what? Tell Arlene and the others that they should agree with him.
Ishmael_Z said: "Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? "
Of course, the philosopher Robert Nozick argues that it is morally wrong for a government to confiscate wealth that is legally acquired in order to further the government`s own aim to redistribute wealth.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.
Ultimately you have to vote Labour or Tory in my view, everything else is just a waste of time - in England at least. Labour has a far better record on equality and anti racism overall, even if there have been some terrible examples of anti Semitism linked to party members (although I once had a Jewish woman swear blind to me that it was all an exaggeration designed to smear Corbyn - I disagreed but felt a bit stupid as a non-Jew trying to convince her otherwise).
"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!! THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!! THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.
Apparently it's £70 billion a year.
(And as Richard said it should be 'A 70 Billion STOP Brexit Bonus'!!)
£70 billion per year by 2029, I believe there would be a compounding effect of diminished growth, so probably only a few tens of billions of quid per year initially.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.
Do you have a time machine, the Windrush scandal happened in 2018.
nico67 said: "Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments."
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by hos side if I recall correctly).
If I was Labour I’d throw diplomacy out of the window , play that clip and then show the pally pics of Bozo and Trump .
Because that video showing Corbyn working with and supporting actual mass murderers made such a difference for Theresa May in 2017...
Doesn't mean playing up the Trump angle won't be more effective. Particularly since it works in the national NHS religion angle too.
It won't be as Boris can reply Trump said his Deal with the EU would make a US UK trade deal more difficult, thus reassuring voters the NHS is not on the table.
Indeed the main headline on the BBC now is 'Trump criticises Johnson's Brexit Deal' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.
And you don't think there will be a repeat with EU citizens????
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
That's precisely the precedent that has so many EU citizens worried.
Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.
Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? Intuitively it seems blindingly obvious that 1,000 millionaires are going to circulate a lot more of £1bn than one billionaire is.
It’s not the logic that’s offensive (money has to circulate to make an economy work unless you go full communist) it’s the implication that those with money are “worth” more. The language “trickle down” suggests they are doing us a favour letting us have crumbs from the table.
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!
No a day riven by class war and hatred from Labour which will reassure his leftwing fans but turn off swing voters and turn off centrist diehard Remainers who will go LD
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!
I don't think they will do that this time, but if they did can you imagine how terrified the Tories would be of ever fighting another election?
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
nored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.
Ultimately you have to vote Labour or Tory in my view, everything else is just a waste of time - in England at least. Labour has a far better record on equality and anti racism overall, even if there have been some terrible examples of anti Semitism linked to party members (although I once had a Jewish woman swear blind to me that it was all an exaggeration designed to smear Corbyn - I disagreed but felt a bit stupid as a non-Jew trying to convince her otherwise).
The current leadership certainly do not have a better record on it. In the Tories there was a sense of shame over Windrush. There were apologies and resignations. Labour just keeps at the Anti-Semitism and the leader himself has personally indulged in it. His own office intervenes in disciplinary cases to protect anti-Semites.
And can you imagine if Boris Johnson had attended a commemoration service for some white supremacist terrorist who had slaughtered a bunch of black people? His support would evaporate overnight.
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
The comments on the earlier threads were notably more pessimistic for Labour. I, for one, still think they're fucked.
Brilliant tweet by Corbyn in response to Trumps comments .
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
I've been out lunching and working, so I had to catch up with the news by reading the comments here. And the gist of them is: today was a brilliant day for Labour, Corbyn is up and running, Tories are in trouble already.
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
It's an excellent day for Labour. Last election, Corbyn reduced the Tory lead by seventeen points by polling day!
No a day riven by class war and hatred from Labour which will reassure his leftwing fans but turn off swing voters and turn off centrist diehard Remainers who will go LD
Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.
Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? Intuitively it seems blindingly obvious that 1,000 millionaires are going to circulate a lot more of £1bn than one billionaire is.
It’s not the logic that’s offensive (money has to circulate to make an economy work unless you go full communist) it’s the implication that those with money are “worth” more. The language “trickle down” suggests they are doing us a favour letting us have crumbs from the table.
Agreed.
And the other thing that is offensive is the "philanthropy". Nobody wants rich people's fucking philanthropy.
We just want them to pay their fair share of taxation.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
That's precisely the precedent that has so many EU citizens worried.
Rightly so. I can think of nothing more scary than having my loved ones' fate in the hands of the Home Office.
"Stop Brexit for a brighter future". A bit vague by the Lib Dems. I think I'd go a little more DFS.
THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!! THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!! THE £70 BILLION BREXIT BONUS!!!
EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS!!!!
£70 Billion is over ten years, so it should be £7 Billion.
Apparently it's £70 billion a year.
(And as Richard said it should be 'A 70 Billion STOP Brexit Bonus'!!)
£70 billion per year by 2029, I believe there would be a compounding effect of diminished growth, so probably only a few tens of billions of quid per year initially.
lol. £70bn per year by 2029 means £700bn a year total, which is a third of our entire economy.
In other words, Brexit is going to be significantly worse than the First World War.
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
Windrush was why I didn't vote for Theresa May in 2017.
Ultimately you have to vote Labour or Tory in my view, everything else is just a waste of time - in England at least. Labour has a far better record on equality and anti racism overall, even if there have been some terrible examples of anti Semitism linked to party members (although I once had a Jewish woman swear blind to me that it was all an exaggeration designed to smear Corbyn - I disagreed but felt a bit stupid as a non-Jew trying to convince her otherwise).
Well that’s a view, one that lab and con attempt to perpetuate in their buggies turn conspiracy but it depends where you live you have other options than to have to vote for the two worst ever leaders in control of the two old tired parties.
Statements like “trickle down economics works. The plebs should be grateful” demonstrate why nobody likes that sort of conservative view. It’s said in jest, but you can see that part of it is believed.
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.
Is there any evidence for trickle down economics? Intuitively it seems blindingly obvious that 1,000 millionaires are going to circulate a lot more of £1bn than one billionaire is.
It’s not the logic that’s offensive (money has to circulate to make an economy work unless you go full communist) it’s the implication that those with money are “worth” more. The language “trickle down” suggests they are doing us a favour letting us have crumbs from the table.
Agreed.
And the other thing that is offensive is the "philanthropy". Nobody wants rich people's fucking philanthropy.
We just want them to pay their fair share of taxation.
You're kidding right? What about Cancer Research UK?
Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him.
Having just looked at the highlights, I agree. Jezza in in his element campaigning and working a crowd. The climate crisis might be this elections ace in the hole with the youngsters and a fair number of more senior voters, comparable to tuition fees in 2017.
If he lays into the Tories and not Lib Dems he will get a lot of tactical votes
Being a LD I think Dr Foxy's words are pretty notable here - so long as his minders keep him focused in the right diretion, LDs will vote tactically for Corbyn pretty easily I suspect.
I would like to think British Liberals would have more sympathy with their Jewish compatriots than to vote Corbyn. A vote for Corbyn is saying you are ok with Anti-Semitism.
I think there is very little question those thinking of voting LD will vote Labour in droves. Remainerism will see to that (where local candidate is suitably remainy), nothing else matters in terms of support, and it will be whether there's enough to put them off doing so. Since Corbyn is not standing in every constitency, his issues can be ignored.
The idea that anyone puts their preference for EU policy above and beyond support for the equality of their fellow citizens is very upsetting to me.
Well, it's more complicated than that, because membership of the EU preserves the rights and equalities of EU citizens who have settled here. How are you supposed to choose?
Also what about Windrush? Surely by Gabs2's logic anyone who votes Tory is also putting their preferences above the equality of their fellow citizens.
That's precisely the precedent that has so many EU citizens worried.
Rightly so. I can think of nothing more scary than having my loved ones' fate in the hands of the Home Office.
Try taking your children to school past armed guards every day, or going to temple with them at the door, because there are so many violent killers that hate you because of your ancestry, which is what tens of thousands of Jews do.
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So far he has not attacked Corbyn's policies but plenty of others are
That party is a useful vehicle for now on Brexit, but after that we’ll have to see whether it has been rehabilitated or not. I suspect not.
You do wonder however whether Javid will be up to doing that, and Johnson certainly isn’t.
How are the turnips, btw? Looks like we need some...
I’m putting forward the more common ones as suggestions.
I don’t think chorister works, on a number of levels. All other considerations aside, they don’t guarantee a pass for singing tenor in chapel.
It is Corbyn's imagination and in todays poll Boris is ahead of Corbyn 36-34 on the NHS
"Having arrived home, Mrs Foxy very impressed by Jezza's campaign launch. Normally she has a low opinion of him."
Any pictures of Mrs Foxy?
Covers both angles and should be plastered over social media .
NHS 36-34
Economy 44-20
Defence 48-16
Jobs 38-30
Foreign Pol 41-18
Trade 45 -2
Welfare 30-37
So only on welfare does he beat Boris
And if those figures are accurate he is not going to improve on his seats and the question is how many he will lose
Corbyn tweeted "it was Trump who said in June the NHS is “on the table”. "
He knows very well that Trump did not know what the fuck he was talking about and May instantly corrected him (she was standing by his side if I recall correctly).
I thought the photos of him sunning himself outside his luxury apartment in Marbella were a particularly nice touch.
He also attacked Corbyn and was positive about Boris personally but the most anti Trump voters will already be voting Labour or LD anyway not Tory, the polling shows Leavers are much more pro Trump than Remainers
The public expects the US to try and do us over in a trade deal.
At present, a lot of people clearly don’t care if Trump likes Boris (they may think it’s useful) and believe Boris will defend us in a trade deal.
To make headway, Labour needs to convince people that Boris won’t defend the U.K. position. All Boris has to do is maintain the current view of his declared voters, and if he needs it he has a chance to grandstand with Trump at the NATO summit in December.
People will vote tactically, they always do, it's a question of how many will do so this time.
It's not a matter of denigrating the LDs, I think Labour figures often take them for granted and treat them like automatic lackeys when they are, of course, their own party with their own views. But if it is about remain then Labour will get tacticals. If it is not about remain, then Leave via the Tories will win. It's up to LDs to decide.
If asked "would Corbyn be stronger on welfare" many respondents say "yes"
If asked "do you think more should be spent on welfare benefits" then same folk may say "No".
But then I looked at the two polls today, one of them showing the Tories with a 15 point lead, and the other showing Tories with a 17 point lead.
How can that possibly be a good day for Labour?! Or am I missing something?
(And as Richard said it should be 'A 70 Billion STOP Brexit Bonus'!!)
Depends whether you are talking about relative or absolute poverty.
Capitalism is reducing absolute poverty but increasing relative poverty.
Many think this isn`t a problem but I and many other disagree.
The first figure is insane: it means Brexit is as bad as a horrible war without end.
The second stat is meaningless as no one can be that precise, and economics doesn't work like that.
Who makes up these ridiculous figures?
Of course, the philosopher Robert Nozick argues that it is morally wrong for a government to confiscate wealth that is legally acquired in order to further the government`s own aim to redistribute wealth.
Indeed the main headline on the BBC now is 'Trump criticises Johnson's Brexit Deal'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Yeah, but I still laid Labour in that constituency.
And can you imagine if Boris Johnson had attended a commemoration service for some white supremacist terrorist who had slaughtered a bunch of black people? His support would evaporate overnight.
No he didn`t. That was due to the Tories shooting themselves in the foot over social care.
And the other thing that is offensive is the "philanthropy". Nobody wants rich people's fucking philanthropy.
We just want them to pay their fair share of taxation.
In other words, Brexit is going to be significantly worse than the First World War.
But c'mon - "full on Venezuela" - that's extremely frothy.