It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.
NI has brought much of this on themselves by voting for two ridiculous parties which, respectively, don't participate at all, and say 'No' to everything while never saying what they want.
If they had accepted TMs deal I would have some sympathy for them had they then had this deal forced on them, but they failed to accept that best chance they had. Their best option right now would be to grow up and become a single state with RoI. Their next best option is to see that this deal gives them some opportunities the rest of the UK does not have. Will they gratefully accept them? Don't hold your breath.
I think this is a big mistake. He has his support united. If Corbyn can unite the not Tory/not Leave votes then we risk a 2017 result.
I don't understand why Johnson wants Corbyn to get more airtime than Swinson.
It is a mistake. Dom may be losing it. He wants to refight 2016. Mistake.
That said, there is nothing stopping Johnson from attempting an "I agree with Jo" manoeuvre in her absence. "If you don't like me and my party, at least don't vote for that old git over there". What could possibly go wrong?
Corbyn will slaughter Johnson in a two-way debate. The problem for Labour is that many have short memories and "experts" might say afterwards that Johnson won.
Wow. Just found the approval ratings for the leaders from the date of the last election onwards.
Not really a direct comparison yet because we could do with them from before the election not after. But still amazing how Corbyn's ratings have plummeted
He is, on the other hand, very experienced at campaigning.
He is a lightweight in the genuine sense. A man that has been promoted way beyond his natural capability. It could only happen in politics or hereditary based companies or systems.
Yesterday I was broadly with @stodge on this election - nailed on Tory win, majority of 60 seats. Totally changed my mind now. Great launch by Labour. Hung parliament beckons. Chance of Corbyn PM.
Ah yes, that extremely fair and proportional result that saw the Lib Dems get twice as many votes as the Tories and *four times* as many seats. That one?
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
What do we all think of a four day week? So much time is wasted on pointless meetings it could be an idea whose time has come.
Get on with the job!
What will happen in schools?
Four slightly longer days
So will we all get the same extra day off, or will different schools pick different ones? Either way a lot of parents are going to be fairly unhappy about having to find an extra day of child care...
Eh?? Fridays become a fully fledged weekend day for everyone; parents save on childcare because school hours match office hours.
So either teachers become the only group to work the same number of hours as before (but crammed into fewer days and so much more stressful/ less time spent on preparation and marking/both) or we chop up to 20% out of the current curriculum. OR we somehow find 25% more teachers from somewhere...
It is amazing that the only people on here calling the Boris deal a surrender are the ones that are ardent Remainers that won't accept the vote. As far as I can tell the post-transition state it delivers is everything the right wants.
The 'surrender' is of Northern Ireland - it's staying in the EU. Exactly as Merkel supposedly 'demanded' in that 'scandalous' phone call. You know, the one that people got dutifully all worked up about when Cummings briefed it? Yet now it's come to pass it's not a scandal at all. It's cool. Because Boris says it is. Hilarious. But a little sad too. And quite frankly rather concerning.
NI has brought much of this on themselves by voting for two ridiculous parties which, respectively, don't participate at all, and say 'No' to everything while never saying what they want.
If they had accepted TMs deal I would have some sympathy for them had they then had this deal forced on them, but they failed to accept that best chance they had. Their best option right now would be to grow up and become a single state with RoI. Their next best option is to see that this deal gives them some opportunities the rest of the UK does not have. Will they gratefully accept them? Don't hold your breath.
Northern Ireland voters have done just fine. They now have a privileged position with all the benefits of frictionless access to the EU with all the tariff cuts of UK FTAs. They have significant advantages over both ROI and the UK for business location now. And this on top of an additional funding even though they are already the most subsidized part of the UK, possibly of Western Europe.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many of our billionaires live here in any case? I've not got a Sunday Times rich list but of the first three that spring to mind, two live in tax havens, though I'm sure it is only the climate that made them forego dear old Blighty.
I think this is a big mistake. He has his support united. If Corbyn can unite the not Tory/not Leave votes then we risk a 2017 result.
I don't understand why Johnson wants Corbyn to get more airtime than Swinson.
It is a mistake. Dom may be losing it. He wants to refight 2016. Mistake.
That said, there is nothing stopping Johnson from attempting an "I agree with Jo" manoeuvre in her absence. "If you don't like me and my party, at least don't vote for that old git over there". What could possibly go wrong?
Corbyn will slaughter Johnson in a two-way debate. The problem for Labour is that many have short memories and "experts" might say afterwards that Johnson won.
Most people will not watch the debates. Both Corbyn and Boris (and anyone else) will have enough good moments to fill the 30-second clip that will be pasted on their party's Facebook page and tweeted to supporters.
< Shouldn't you be betting rather than posting if you think the Tories will get a majority of 150? With your winnings you could even buy your way to a sunny European retirement with johnson and co nowhere to be seen.
I've traded on a BUY of Conservative seats at 325. If the campaign gets "interesting" I may have to take a hit but at the moment I see very little downside and it's quite possible the Conservatives will win 390 seats or more.
Mrs Stodge is quite keen on Almeria or Mijas for our retirement property but I'm quite keen on the 180-180 lifestyle so six months in Spain for the northern hemisphere winter and for summer I'm open to suggestions. I'd love to be able to afford to rent a holiday place in San Diego for the summer but that may be a bit ambitious.
Mrs Stodge has got good taste. I spent two very pleasant weeks shooting a beer commercial there. There's a fort which we used for a pastiche of 'Cool Hand Luke'. Next time I went past a couple of years ago it seems to have been taken over by plastic tunnels growing tomatoes. Isn't San Diego a bit too close to Trump?
Wow. Just found the approval ratings for the leaders from the date of the last election onwards.
Not really a direct comparison yet because we could do with them from before the election not after. But still amazing how Corbyn's ratings have plummeted
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
Most studies have indicated tipping points where people look to reduce their tax bill and therefore reduce the tax take, often by moving overseas, hence the "braindrain" in the 60s and 70s.
It is a complex thing that most socialists will never understand because socialists are fundamentally lazy. Socialists want others to work hard so they can have benefits of the tax that those innovative folk generate. A socialists doesn't say "how can I be cleverer or work harder to get those things or services", he says "why does that person have them and I do not - let's tax them"
NI has brought much of this on themselves by voting for two ridiculous parties which, respectively, don't participate at all, and say 'No' to everything while never saying what they want.
If they had accepted TMs deal I would have some sympathy for them had they then had this deal forced on them, but they failed to accept that best chance they had. Their best option right now would be to grow up and become a single state with RoI. Their next best option is to see that this deal gives them some opportunities the rest of the UK does not have. Will they gratefully accept them? Don't hold your breath.
Agree with all of that. But my point was more about Leaver mentality. Cummings briefed that Merkel had told Boris NI could not leave the EU. Cue much spluttering horror and outrage. Boris accepts this very thing in his Deal. Cue much cooing about what a triumph it is. Both reactions FROM THE SAME PEOPLE !!
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many of our billionaires live here in any case? I've not got a Sunday Times rich list but of the first three that spring to mind, two live in tax havens, though I'm sure it is only the climate that made them forego dear old Blighty.
That table is quite amusing, if it's accurate. It shows that, far from being a country where wealth is concentrated in a small number of billionaires, we have far fewer billionaires relative to population size than those well-known extreme examples of inequality Germany, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
+1 I like going on holiday abroad but would never move away from the UK, even if I was able to do so.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
Well I know it would give TSE a heart attack to make the comparison but I am sure we are not that different to the French. When Hollande introduced new taxes in 2012 tens of thousands of French upped sticks and moved to the UK. The G=French population in London went up by almost 100,000 in less than 2 years.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
Most studies have indicated tipping points where people look to reduce their tax bill and therefore reduce the tax take, often by moving overseas, hence the "braindrain" in the 60s and 70s.
It is a complex thing that most socialists will never understand because socialists are fundamentally lazy. Socialists want others to work hard so they can have benefits of the tax that those innovative folk generate. A socialists doesn't say "how can I be cleverer or work harder to get those things or services", he says "why does that person have them and I do not - let's tax them"
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many of our billionaires live here in any case? I've not got a Sunday Times rich list but of the first three that spring to mind, two live in tax havens, though I'm sure it is only the climate that made them forego dear old Blighty.
That table is quite amusing, if it's accurate. It shows that, far from being a country where wealth is concentrated in a small number of billionaires, we have far fewer billionaires relative to population size than those well-known extreme examples of inequality Germany, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway.
The overall Gini index is far worse for the UK than Scandinavia.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
Well I know it would give TSE a heart attack to make the comparison but I am sure we are not that different to the French. When Hollande introduced new taxes in 2012 tens of thousands of French upped sticks and moved to the UK. The G=French population in London went up by almost 100,000 in less than 2 years.
What do we all think of a four day week? So much time is wasted on pointless meetings it could be an idea whose time has come.
Get on with the job!
The symmetry of having a day off for each of the Abrahamic religions does appeal, but I'm a bit confused with combining this policy with the +4 Bank Holidays policy. It means you would end up with almost one quarter of the weeks in the year being 3 days long!
Seems like the sort of change that one would prefer to happen gradually.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
Well I know it would give TSE a heart attack to make the comparison but I am sure we are not that different to the French. When Hollande introduced new taxes in 2012 tens of thousands of French upped sticks and moved to the UK. The G=French population in London went up by almost 100,000 in less than 2 years.
and it has been a massive disincentive to French innovation. Many French entrepreneurs moved here for that reason. Excessive taxation is always counterproductive. Sensible taxation should seek to take as much as is possible without providing an disincentive to innovation. As I said in a post a moment ago, it is something socialists can never understand.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
Most studies have indicated tipping points where people look to reduce their tax bill and therefore reduce the tax take, often by moving overseas, hence the "braindrain" in the 60s and 70s.
It is a complex thing that most socialists will never understand because socialists are fundamentally lazy. Socialists want others to work hard so they can have benefits of the tax that those innovative folk generate. A socialists doesn't say "how can I be cleverer or work harder to get those things or services", he says "why does that person have them and I do not - let's tax them"
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
David Trimble was the Unionist Chief Negotiator of the Good Friday Agreement and he supports the deal, so this claim that Northern Ireland is being surrendered is just bullshit. And it is dangerous bullshit that is deliberately fanning the fires of Northern Ireland for party politics.
It is bullshit. Hence my inverted commas around 'surrender'. My point is about the exotic Leaver mentality. Happy with NI staying in the EU when it becomes an actual part of the Boris Deal. Spitting feathers when that same thing is supposedly demanded by Merkel in a phone call to our doughty warrior.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
Well I know it would give TSE a heart attack to make the comparison but I am sure we are not that different to the French. When Hollande introduced new taxes in 2012 tens of thousands of French upped sticks and moved to the UK. The G=French population in London went up by almost 100,000 in less than 2 years.
TSE loves the French really. I bet he's wearing a bleuet
Ah yes, that extremely fair and proportional result that saw the Lib Dems get twice as many votes as the Tories and *four times* as many seats. That one?
A disparity that almost disappears in comparison to similar calculations that can be done after almost every FPTnP election. The fact that you think it even worth raising makes the case for a fairer system.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Focused on envy, greed and regressive, outdated concepts maybe.
I think this is a big mistake. He has his support united. If Corbyn can unite the not Tory/not Leave votes then we risk a 2017 result.
I don't understand why Johnson wants Corbyn to get more airtime than Swinson.
Not sure it's a mistake - chickening out of the debates was devastating for May's image, and you can bet Boris will go all out with both prepared and impromptu attacks on Corbyn and his platform.
That _needs_ to happen his time, to prevent simple-minded people accepting the "Cobyn is a cuddly grandpa who will bring in a new age of milk and honey" fantasy that they swallowed wholesale last time.
You win political debates by actually debating, not hiding from them.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
I imagine Mr Thicky has always had a problem with numbers. Millionaire, billionaire, what is the difference eh?
The overall Gini index is far worse for the UK than Scandinavia.
Yes, so maybe Corbyn should stop going on about mythical billionaires sucking the blood of hard-working NHS nurses, and instead think about more realistic measures, such as raising taxes on the bulk of the higher paid.
The overall Gini index is far worse for the UK than Scandinavia.
Yes, so maybe Corbyn should stop going on about mythical billionaires sucking the blood of hard-working NHS nurses, and instead think about more realistic measures, such as raising taxes on the bulk of the higher paid.
I don't think he thinks he will be elected, and he probably doesn't really care!
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
NI has brought much of this on themselves by voting for two ridiculous parties which, respectively, don't participate at all, and say 'No' to everything while never saying what they want.
If they had accepted TMs deal I would have some sympathy for them had they then had this deal forced on them, but they failed to accept that best chance they had. Their best option right now would be to grow up and become a single state with RoI. Their next best option is to see that this deal gives them some opportunities the rest of the UK does not have. Will they gratefully accept them? Don't hold your breath.
Agree with all of that. But my point was more about Leaver mentality. Cummings briefed that Merkel had told Boris NI could not leave the EU. Cue much spluttering horror and outrage. Boris accepts this very thing in his Deal. Cue much cooing about what a triumph it is. Both reactions FROM THE SAME PEOPLE !!
What can you do?
You’d think Bozo had just cut the greatest deal on earth but clearly it’s not that hard to make a deal when you ditch previous red lines and then have the fawning right wing press pronouncing mission accomplished.
It’s also evident that if May had cut this deal it would have been trashed by the ERG and the press .
Bozo is the poster boy who can’t be seen to have failed , he can also lie on a daily basis without being called out by most of the media .
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
The overall Gini index is far worse for the UK than Scandinavia.
Yes, so maybe Corbyn should stop going on about mythical billionaires sucking the blood of hard-working NHS nurses, and instead think about more realistic measures, such as raising taxes on the bulk of the higher paid.
I don't think he thinks he will be elected, and he probably doesn't really care!
You know, I don't think so. I think he really does believe that the world is run by a conspiracy of bankers and billionaires sucking the lifeblood out of the proletariat, and that if only they could be thwarted the wealth would trickle down to 'the many'. That's why he 'liked' that Nazi-style anti-Semitic mural showing Jewish bankers.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
It is what socialists have always done. Their dim-witted policies fail to make the poor any richer (often even poorer), but they make rich people significantly poorer (and often cause them to emigrate), and thereby claim they have reduced the gap.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
It is what socialists have always done. Their dim-witted policies fail to make the poor any richer (often even poorer), but they make rich people significantly poorer (and often cause them to emigrate), and thereby claim they have reduced the gap.
NI has brought much of this on themselves by voting for two ridiculous parties which, respectively, don't participate at all, and say 'No' to everything while never saying what they want.
If they had accepted TMs deal I would have some sympathy for them had they then had this deal forced on them, but they failed to accept that best chance they had. Their best option right now would be to grow up and become a single state with RoI. Their next best option is to see that this deal gives them some opportunities the rest of the UK does not have. Will they gratefully accept them? Don't hold your breath.
Agree with all of that. But my point was more about Leaver mentality. Cummings briefed that Merkel had told Boris NI could not leave the EU. Cue much spluttering horror and outrage. Boris accepts this very thing in his Deal. Cue much cooing about what a triumph it is. Both reactions FROM THE SAME PEOPLE !!
What can you do?
You’d think Bozo had just cut the greatest deal on earth but clearly it’s not that hard to make a deal when you ditch previous red lines and then have the fawning right wing press pronouncing mission accomplished.
It’s also evident that if May had cut this deal it would have been trashed by the ERG and the press .
Bozo is the poster boy who can’t be seen to have failed , he can also lie on a daily basis without being called out by most of the media .
Parliament voted for it which went down very well with EU too. Nuff said
The overall Gini index is far worse for the UK than Scandinavia.
Yes, so maybe Corbyn should stop going on about mythical billionaires sucking the blood of hard-working NHS nurses, and instead think about more realistic measures, such as raising taxes on the bulk of the higher paid.
I don't think he thinks he will be elected, and he probably doesn't really care!
You know, I don't think so. I think he really does believe that the world is run by a conspiracy of bankers and billionaires sucking the lifeblood out of the proletariat, and that if only they could be thwarted the wealth would trickle down to 'the many'. That's why he 'liked' that Nazi-style anti-Semitic mural showing Jewish bankers.
Jewish bankers who were not Jewish but looked Jewish or something.
The overall Gini index is far worse for the UK than Scandinavia.
Yes, so maybe Corbyn should stop going on about mythical billionaires sucking the blood of hard-working NHS nurses, and instead think about more realistic measures, such as raising taxes on the bulk of the higher paid.
I don't think he thinks he will be elected, and he probably doesn't really care!
You know, I don't think so. I think he really does believe that the world is run by a conspiracy of bankers and billionaires sucking the lifeblood out of the proletariat, and that if only they could be thwarted the wealth would trickle down to 'the many'. That's why he 'liked' that Nazi-style anti-Semitic mural showing Jewish bankers.
We are talking about a man that is really not very bright, and fundamentally lazy. He has had a tax-payer funded job all his career, and a job that up to recently a fairly indolent person could do part time. He has never had to work hard, or take risk in his life. Not too dissimilar to Bozo really!
I'm in general very sympathetic to Corbyn's left-wing policies, but there's something completely absurdist about the way in which he overeggs things. So, for example, today he has been talking about buying houses to house the homeless. Sounds great, a well overdue step to replace council housing lost over many decades. But he can't talk about the policy in a sensible level-headed way. Instead, he says...
"On our first day in office, we will immediately buy all the properties necessary to house the rough sleepers."
We are talking about a man that is really not very bright, and fundamentally lazy. He has had a tax-payer funded job all his career, and a job that up to recently a fairly indolent person could do part time. He has never had to work hard, or take risk in his life. Not too dissimilar to Bozo really!
Bozo has taken quite a few risks! Not ones that he should be proud of, mind.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
You expect a socialist to understand that? If they did socialism would be dead
Apparently Corbyn's launch went well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people in the same Northern towns who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups think this left wing populism though divisive is definitely Corbyn's best bet.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
You expect a socialist to understand that? If they did socialism would be dead
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
What I hear from Corbyn: "Not everyone can be rich - like me."
I'm in general very sympathetic to Corbyn's left-wing policies, but there's something completely absurdist about the way in which he overeggs things. So, for example, today he has been talking about buying houses to house the homeless. Sounds great, a well overdue step to replace council housing lost over many decades. But he can't talk about the policy in a sensible level-headed way. Instead, he says...
"On our first day in office, we will immediately buy all the properties necessary to house the rough sleepers."
On their first day. Immediately.
Yes, and in any case a large problem with rough sleepers is that they refuse to take up places which are available.
What do we all think of a four day week? So much time is wasted on pointless meetings it could be an idea whose time has come.
Get on with the job!
What will happen in schools?
Four slightly longer days
So will we all get the same extra day off, or will different schools pick different ones? Either way a lot of parents are going to be fairly unhappy about having to find an extra day of child care...
Eh?? Fridays become a fully fledged weekend day for everyone; parents save on childcare because school hours match office hours.
So either teachers become the only group to work the same number of hours as before (but crammed into fewer days and so much more stressful/ less time spent on preparation and marking/both) or we chop up to 20% out of the current curriculum. OR we somehow find 25% more teachers from somewhere...
See also factories, police, paramedics etc.
It’s a popular sounding policy with all sorts of practical limitations if you don’t also cut wages and spread the work put thinner.
Not prompting for Green would normally help Labour . The BP only being prompted 50% of the time should help the Tories .
Either way the poll is a horror show for Labour .
early days, but a wonderful spat between Bercow and Andrew Bridgen on the Speaker's last day, unusually for me, as someone who is not fond of the Speaker, he put Brigden in his place IMHO
The overall Gini index is far worse for the UK than Scandinavia.
Yes, so maybe Corbyn should stop going on about mythical billionaires sucking the blood of hard-working NHS nurses, and instead think about more realistic measures, such as raising taxes on the bulk of the higher paid.
I don't think he thinks he will be elected, and he probably doesn't really care!
You know, I don't think so. I think he really does believe that the world is run by a conspiracy of bankers and billionaires sucking the lifeblood out of the proletariat, and that if only they could be thwarted the wealth would trickle down to 'the many'. That's why he 'liked' that Nazi-style anti-Semitic mural showing Jewish bankers.
Jewish bankers who were not Jewish but looked Jewish or something.
Anyone who did not see that mural for what it was would have to be politically and historically myopic or immensely thick. Even Corbyn cannot be that dumb. He is therefore a liar.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
So u make the rich super rich and they still use tax avoidance schemes so you have to make the poorest even poorer.
I'm in general very sympathetic to Corbyn's left-wing policies, but there's something completely absurdist about the way in which he overeggs things. So, for example, today he has been talking about buying houses to house the homeless. Sounds great, a well overdue step to replace council housing lost over many decades. But he can't talk about the policy in a sensible level-headed way. Instead, he says...
"On our first day in office, we will immediately buy all the properties necessary to house the rough sleepers."
You’d think Bozo had just cut the greatest deal on earth but clearly it’s not that hard to make a deal when you ditch previous red lines and then have the fawning right wing press pronouncing mission accomplished.
It’s also evident that if May had cut this deal it would have been trashed by the ERG and the press .
Bozo is the poster boy who can’t be seen to have failed , he can also lie on a daily basis without being called out by most of the media.
Yes, there is an unusually high degree of tolerance for his bullshit and obvious mendacity. He is being held to a lower standard of ethics than other politicians. This is something that I find frustrating and hard to understand.
It is a complex thing that most socialists will never understand because socialists are fundamentally lazy. Socialists want others to work hard so they can have benefits of the tax that those innovative folk generate. A socialists doesn't say "how can I be cleverer or work harder to get those things or services", he says "why does that person have them and I do not - let's tax them"
That's the same sort of generalisation as "Tories are evil city financiers and their mates". Socialists in most Western countries tend to be successful middle-class people who feel it would be prudent/desirable/nice (the motive varies) to avoid extremes of wealth, and who accept higher taxes for themselves if they are part of an overall programme. They might be unwise, but I don't think I've actually ever met anyone who fits your description.
Apparently corbyns launch went down well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups thinks this left wing populism though divisive is definitely the way for Corbyn to go.
They maybe right . Labour Leavers are more likely to be C2DE demographics .
What do we all think of a four day week? So much time is wasted on pointless meetings it could be an idea whose time has come.
Get on with the job!
What will happen in schools?
Four slightly longer days
So will we all get the same extra day off, or will different schools pick different ones? Either way a lot of parents are going to be fairly unhappy about having to find an extra day of child care...
Eh?? Fridays become a fully fledged weekend day for everyone; parents save on childcare because school hours match office hours.
So either teachers become the only group to work the same number of hours as before (but crammed into fewer days and so much more stressful/ less time spent on preparation and marking/both) or we chop up to 20% out of the current curriculum. OR we somehow find 25% more teachers from somewhere...
OTOH if GDP keeps growing, and with it our standard of living, what's it all for? Do we want more 'stuff' or more time?
Furthermore, couldn't the same arguments have been made about the gradual change from a five day week to a five day week in the forst half of the 20th century?
I'm in general very sympathetic to Corbyn's left-wing policies, but there's something completely absurdist about the way in which he overeggs things. So, for example, today he has been talking about buying houses to house the homeless. Sounds great, a well overdue step to replace council housing lost over many decades. But he can't talk about the policy in a sensible level-headed way. Instead, he says...
"On our first day in office, we will immediately buy all the properties necessary to house the rough sleepers."
On their first day. Immediately.
This is presumably a compulsory purchase from rich bastards
Apparently Corbyn's launch went well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups think this left wing populism though divisive is definitely Corbyn's best bet.
Just wait until the Tories inform those voters of the open-door immigration policy decided at Labour conference
Corbyn's musings today are so far left it is off the scale
How can the Starmer, Benn, Cooper and others stand for election on this class war nonsense
Others have suggested he knows he will not win and I agree. He is road testing Venezeula part 2 to destruction but risks destroying the labour party in the process
Apparently Corbyn's launch went well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups think this left wing populism though divisive is definitely Corbyn's best bet.
Just wait until the Tories inform those voters of the open-door immigration policy decided at Labour conference
And Farage reminds them of the Tories' role in expanding immigration.
Apparently Corbyn's launch went well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups think this left wing populism though divisive is definitely Corbyn's best bet.
Just wait until the Tories inform those voters of the open-door immigration policy decided at Labour conference
That policy and the public schools one will bite the dust or will be rehashed into a more voter friendly version unless that is Labour want to finish third .
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
That is an argument used often in the third world. It very rarely carries much weight with the have-nots
Trump backs BJ for UK election. Boost for Boris or drag? Trump was on LBC radio according to sky.
Strategically I think this is bad for BJ as it opens up NHS privatisation and US company involvement. Also, the us/uk trade deal might be controversial.
Apparently corbyns launch went down well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups thinks this left wing populism though divisive is definitely the way for Corbyn to go.
They maybe right . Labour Leavers are more likely to be C2DE demographics .
Quite, but then the scarier Labour rhetoric becomes the more I get scared away from voting Lib Dem and slip back into the Tory column (I don’t like Boris but I certainly don’t want Corbyn and that’s the best way to keep him out). I wonder if others might have that view.
Anyway, good news. I have been out and about today and was struck by something wholly positive. Not a single person - not one - came bounding up to me to say they were planning to vote Conservative on Dec 12th to get Brexit done (or indeed for any other reason). "Oh, but I bet you just popped to the corner store," I hear people protesting. Well no, actually. I was out for almost two hours and I went to a number of places. So. Game on.
It is a complex thing that most socialists will never understand because socialists are fundamentally lazy. Socialists want others to work hard so they can have benefits of the tax that those innovative folk generate. A socialists doesn't say "how can I be cleverer or work harder to get those things or services", he says "why does that person have them and I do not - let's tax them"
That's the same sort of generalisation as "Tories are evil city financiers and their mates". Socialists in most Western countries tend to be successful middle-class people who feel it would be prudent/desirable/nice (the motive varies) to avoid extremes of wealth, and who accept higher taxes for themselves if they are part of an overall programme. They might be unwise, but I don't think I've actually ever met anyone who fits your description.
Just done three and a half hours canvassing in Totnes constituency.
We had to give up as it was getting dark - and the gangs of trick or treat kids said they couldn't compete in the horror stakes with a bunch of Tories knocking on doors!
BTW, Dr. Sarah Wollaston's name is mud out there...... Even those who are LibDems raise their eyebrows heavenwards.
Mrs Stodge is quite keen on Almeria or Mijas for our retirement property but I'm quite keen on the 180-180 lifestyle so six months in Spain for the northern hemisphere winter and for summer I'm open to suggestions. I'd love to be able to afford to rent a holiday place in San Diego for the summer but that may be a bit ambitious.
San Miguel de Allende in Mexico is spectacular and has a pretty good year-round climate.
What do we all think of a four day week? So much time is wasted on pointless meetings it could be an idea whose time has come.
Get on with the job!
What will happen in schools?
Four slightly longer days
So will we all get the same extra day off, or will different schools pick different ones? Either way a lot of parents are going to be fairly unhappy about having to find an extra day of child care...
Eh?? Fridays become a fully fledged weekend day for everyone; parents save on childcare because school hours match office hours.
So either teachers become the only group to work the same number of hours as before (but crammed into fewer days and so much more stressful/ less time spent on preparation and marking/both) or we chop up to 20% out of the current curriculum. OR we somehow find 25% more teachers from somewhere...
OTOH if GDP keeps growing, and with it our standard of living, what's it all for? Do we want more 'stuff' or more time?
Furthermore, couldn't the same arguments have been made about the gradual change from a five day week to a five day week in the forst half of the 20th century?
I'm in general very sympathetic to Corbyn's left-wing policies, but there's something completely absurdist about the way in which he overeggs things. So, for example, today he has been talking about buying houses to house the homeless. Sounds great, a well overdue step to replace council housing lost over many decades. But he can't talk about the policy in a sensible level-headed way. Instead, he says...
"On our first day in office, we will immediately buy all the properties necessary to house the rough sleepers."
On their first day. Immediately.
Yes, and in any case a large problem with rough sleepers is that they refuse to take up places which are available.
If Labour had a credible leader then that might be a debate worth having, but with Corbyn as leader it's all make-believe because he has no plan to deliver this. It's not x thousand dwellings within the first year, it's all of them, immediately, on the first day.
Just done three and a half hours canvassing in Totnes constituency.
We had to give up as it was getting dark - and the gangs of trick or treat kids said they couldn't compete in the horror stakes with a bunch of Tories knocking on doors!
BTW, Dr. Sarah Wollaston's name is mud out there...... Even those who are LibDems raise their eyebrows heavenwards.
Is the mood in Totnes still "ferociously unforgiving"?
Apparently Corbyn's launch went well. They think dumping on the rich will go down very well with the same people who were seduced by Leave. The focus groups think this left wing populism though divisive is definitely Corbyn's best bet.
Just wait until the Tories inform those voters of the open-door immigration policy decided at Labour conference
That policy and the public schools one will bite the dust or will be rehashed into a more voter friendly version unless that is Labour want to finish third .
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
That is an argument used often in the third world. It very rarely carries much weight with the have-nots
Because the formula so often seems to work very well in the other direction.
Corbyn tripped up on a word - "millionaire" instead of "billionaire" - probably accidentally, but to judge from his opponents' response the next time he trips it will be on purpose.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
Are you joking? When Corbyn says "Not everyone can be rich", I hear "I will leave you poor"!
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
You don’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Easy response.
That is an argument used often in the third world. It very rarely carries much weight with the have-nots
Anyway, good news. I have been out and about today and was struck by something wholly positive. Not a single person - not one - came bounding up to me to say they were planning to vote Conservative on Dec 12th to get Brexit done (or indeed for any other reason). "Oh, but I bet you just popped to the corner store," I hear people protesting. Well no, actually. I was out for almost two hours and I went to a number of places. So. Game on.
Plus I am sure the US, India, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Macron's France etc will be happy to welcome our billionaires and their tax revenues if we don't want them
How many people do you think are so addicted to money that they'll live wherever they get taxed less? I suspect the vast majority of people living in the UK would actually like living here.
Well I know it would give TSE a heart attack to make the comparison but I am sure we are not that different to the French. When Hollande introduced new taxes in 2012 tens of thousands of French upped sticks and moved to the UK. The G=French population in London went up by almost 100,000 in less than 2 years.
Interesting. Is there a data source for that?
Gleaned from about a dozen different newspaper reports in the years following. Including Der Speigel, The Guardian, The Telegraph and The Independent.
At the beginning of 2012 there were 300,000 French living in London. According to the French Consulate in London by September 2014 that had risen to 400,000
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If they had accepted TMs deal I would have some sympathy for them had they then had this deal forced on them, but they failed to accept that best chance they had. Their best option right now would be to grow up and become a single state with RoI. Their next best option is to see that this deal gives them some opportunities the rest of the UK does not have. Will they gratefully accept them? Don't hold your breath.
That said, there is nothing stopping Johnson from attempting an "I agree with Jo" manoeuvre in her absence. "If you don't like me and my party, at least don't vote for that old git over there". What could possibly go wrong?
Corbyn will slaughter Johnson in a two-way debate. The problem for Labour is that many have short memories and "experts" might say afterwards that Johnson won.
I don't know whether this will work but here goes:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCm3uVr3Z6DI4nFxUjmOyKRGZPNqOLu1BMKVeZvv3T8/edit?usp=sharing
Yebbut you need to compare with Corbyn's ratings at the start of the last GE campaign.
Preferred PM moved from 54% v15% (May v. Corbyn) at the start of the last campaign to 485 v 39% by the GE.
It is a complex thing that most socialists will never understand because socialists are fundamentally lazy. Socialists want others to work hard so they can have benefits of the tax that those innovative folk generate. A socialists doesn't say "how can I be cleverer or work harder to get those things or services", he says "why does that person have them and I do not - let's tax them"
What can you do?
Seems like the sort of change that one would prefer to happen gradually.
"Not everyone can be rich." What a great line for winning an election.
And how long will it take for Tory strategists to realise the term "Corbynista" doesn't play well? Labour seems very focused, with the Tories all over the place.
That _needs_ to happen his time, to prevent simple-minded people accepting the "Cobyn is a cuddly grandpa who will bring in a new age of milk and honey" fantasy that they swallowed wholesale last time.
You win political debates by actually debating, not hiding from them.
How many people do you think actually want this far-left garbage?
It’s also evident that if May had cut this deal it would have been trashed by the ERG and the press .
Bozo is the poster boy who can’t be seen to have failed , he can also lie on a daily basis without being called out by most of the media .
Perhaps in his younger days he could row a boat or kick a ball?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1189942220482367489
"On our first day in office, we will immediately buy all the properties necessary to house the rough sleepers."
On their first day. Immediately.
Either way the poll is a horror show for Labour .
Just how DID you get that wealth, Jeremy?
It’s a popular sounding policy with all sorts of practical limitations if you don’t also cut wages and spread the work put thinner.
Capitalism is fooked
Furthermore, couldn't the same arguments have been made about the gradual change from a five day week to a five day week in the forst half of the 20th century?
How can the Starmer, Benn, Cooper and others stand for election on this class war nonsense
Others have suggested he knows he will not win and I agree. He is road testing Venezeula part 2 to destruction but risks destroying the labour party in the process
How has labour fallen so far
Strategically I think this is bad for BJ as it opens up NHS privatisation and US company involvement. Also, the us/uk trade deal might be controversial.
EDIT: Incidentally I've now unlocked my google document with the results by constituency (England only)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCm3uVr3Z6DI4nFxUjmOyKRGZPNqOLu1BMKVeZvv3T8/edit?usp=sharing
We had to give up as it was getting dark - and the gangs of trick or treat kids said they couldn't compete in the horror stakes with a bunch of Tories knocking on doors!
BTW, Dr. Sarah Wollaston's name is mud out there...... Even those who are LibDems raise their eyebrows heavenwards.
The more Trump supports Johnson the more harm it will do him .
At the beginning of 2012 there were 300,000 French living in London. According to the French Consulate in London by September 2014 that had risen to 400,000
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-say-au-revoir-to-france-over-two-million-french-people-now-live-abroad-and-most-are-crossing-9788348.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics/fact-check-trump-96-false-claims-ukraine/index.html