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Arf!Omnium said:Starmer's dad being a toolmaker comes as no surprise. Seems he took his work home too!
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Election Maps now has 304 MPs against Letwin, 299 MPs for (13 likely against, 10 likely for)
305 MPs for the Boris Deal, 298 against (13 likely for, 10 likely against)
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Starmer is doing rather well.0
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I am Corbyns Labour I think Flint is doing right by her Constituents and right in terms of the Majority that wants BREXIT done.Omnium said:
Your post tells us everything we need to know about Corbyn's Labour.murali_s said:
No, Caroline Flint is a traitor to progressive values. She is an ally to a right-wing Tory hard Brexit. She is a friend to bigotry and the xenophobes.HYUFD said:
Caroline Flint is a patriot and a heroine!!SandyRentool said:Flint pulling no punches there.
If there is any justice in the World, she will shortly be de-selected. Good riddance to bad rubbish!
The fact we have trash like her in the Labour party just shows how far Labour has sunk!0 -
Probably because no one has a Scooby whether it will pass or not.viewcode said:
Yes. It is an important question. I would like to ascertain whether Con abstention is going to occur, because if I knew that I could make some money. Unfortunately PB wants to speak about the 70's referendum or reasons to Brexit or not. So if anybody wants to speak about whether this will or will not happen, I am eager to listen.kinabalu said:Not getting this -
If Letwin passes - as likely - Cons abstain on the MV rather than bother to vote 'aye'. Yet you can sell 'ayes' at 313 on the spreads?
Looks like bet of the century so I MUST be missing something.0 -
If the Letwin Amendment passes the DUP have more time to put down Amendments to the WAIB and cause a lot of mischief . They need to be seen to be making every effort to protect the Union.1
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Workers rights becoming a big issue.
But surely Corbyn is about to win a GE, so there's nothing to worry about.0 -
In terms of the Rugby as wellJonathan said:Ireland having a mare.
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If Letwin passes -viewcode said:Yes. It is an important question. I would like to ascertain whether Con abstention is going to occur, because if I knew that I could make some money. Unfortunately PB wants to speak about the 70's referendum or reasons to Brexit or not. So if anybody wants to speak about whether this will or will not happen, I am eager to listen.
1. Do we then get a vote on Deal amended with Letwin?
2. Do all the Cons then abstain?
3. Do Labour stay and vote? If so, do they vote 'aye' or 'nay'?
These are the key Qs for the betting, as I see it.0 -
I agree it’s going to be carnage .SouthamObserver said:I suspect the Labour civil war is going to go nuclear next week. Once Brexit is voted through a lot of what was keeping things relatively calm is not going to be there anymore.
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I am confused. The maths on the MV were tight and some voting for the MV are voting for Letwin and everyone it seems against the MV is voting for Letwin.rottenborough said:
Who is against the MV and against Letwin?0 -
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:0 -
No, its a "It's not worth answering that question, because you are only asking it to shoot down anything I could possibly say... because its over"OnlyLivingBoy said:
That's a no then.isam said:
Give me a minute, I’m on the phone to Hamas explaining the advantages of Israel. Get back to you once they’ve agreedOnlyLivingBoy said:Anybody come up with any more good reasons for Brexit? Last night we established that the main upside came from freedom to feed our pet chickens our leftovers, which I have to be honest felt a little underwhelming given what we are giving up.
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British nationalism created the DUP. Poetic justice that the DUP is about to cripple British nationalism.PaulM said:
Months ? Decades more like. Intransigent is what they do, it's their USP, and why their supporters vote for them. "Altogether now the cry was no surrender"etc etcCasino_Royale said:
Fuck the DUP. They've been utter exploitative negative barstewards for months. There's nothing they'd ever say "yes" to - nothing.SouthamObserver said:Wow, Johnson burning all bridges with the DUP.
If they cared that much about the UK and the Union they'd be willing to settle this with a compromise that moved it on and boosted investment, and in their own province in particular.
A few tariffs and regulations either which way isn't going to make any difference to the emotional identity of NI, and it will still be formally outside the EU as well.
They are being ridiculously intransigent.0 -
Sorry, yes. It was a bit of a cheap point. Many in Corbyn's Labour are following their convictions, and act in ways that recognise that others when they disagree have a right to do so. Like any other group though you have some bad eggs in the mix.bigjohnowls said:
I am Corbyns Labour I think Flint is doing right by her Constituents and right in terms of the Majority that wants BREXIT done.Omnium said:
Your post tells us everything we need to know about Corbyn's Labour.murali_s said:
No, Caroline Flint is a traitor to progressive values. She is an ally to a right-wing Tory hard Brexit. She is a friend to bigotry and the xenophobes.HYUFD said:
Caroline Flint is a patriot and a heroine!!SandyRentool said:Flint pulling no punches there.
If there is any justice in the World, she will shortly be de-selected. Good riddance to bad rubbish!
The fact we have trash like her in the Labour party just shows how far Labour has sunk!0 -
Huddle? Ruck? Scrum?rottenborough said:0 -
Or alternatively the maths on MV are not as close as reported...Philip_Thompson said:
I am confused. The maths on the MV were tight and some voting for the MV are voting for Letwin and everyone it seems against the MV is voting for Letwin.rottenborough said:
Who is against the MV and against Letwin?
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I had a hunch Labour constituency membership up here is likely a bit different in complexion compared to the big city memberships that I reckon journos and others are more familiar with.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:1 -
I understand that. But a smaller question which can perhaps be answered is "will the Government ask Con MPs to abstain if Letwin passes?". That in itself skews the probabilities.Richard_Tyndall said:
Probably because no one has a Scooby whether it will pass or not.viewcode said:
Yes. It is an important question. I would like to ascertain whether Con abstention is going to occur, because if I knew that I could make some money. Unfortunately PB wants to speak about the 70's referendum or reasons to Brexit or not. So if anybody wants to speak about whether this will or will not happen, I am eager to listen.kinabalu said:Not getting this -
If Letwin passes - as likely - Cons abstain on the MV rather than bother to vote 'aye'. Yet you can sell 'ayes' at 313 on the spreads?
Looks like bet of the century so I MUST be missing something.0 -
Theresa May's deal had a commitment to Level Playing Field in the withdrawal agreement rather than the political declaration and Labour still voted against it. So..0
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Not half.Pulpstar said:
I had a hunch Labour constituency membership up here is likely a bit different in complexion compared to the big city memberships that I reckon journos and others are more familiar with.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:0 -
Starmer throws a curve ball into the debate having read the text.0
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Why should the DUP have any interest in defeating the Letwin amendment?1
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I do wonder; if MV is for example going to win by 15, then Letwin could fail...alex. said:
Or alternatively the maths on MV are not as close as reported...Philip_Thompson said:
I am confused. The maths on the MV were tight and some voting for the MV are voting for Letwin and everyone it seems against the MV is voting for Letwin.rottenborough said:
Who is against the MV and against Letwin?0 -
4) UK leaves with No Deal because the Letwin amendment frustrates agreement of a deal in a timely way and the EU refuses an extension.TheValiant said:
3) Deal passes by one vote, with the LOTO not in the Chamber.edmundintokyo said:Which do we think is a better plotline:
1) Deal loses by one vote, that of Theresa May, who turns out that when she said she could never split the UK she actually meant it
2) Deal passes by a casting vote, that of John Bercow0 -
Rolling maul would seem to cover the whole thing.StuartDickson said:
Huddle? Ruck? Scrum?rottenborough said:0 -
Boris shortly to tell the DUP that he is all that is stopping a referendum for a unified Ireland.
Lets play a game of "Who has whose bollocks in a vice".....0 -
Betfair's binary MV passes Yes or No market DOES include amendments.Andrew said:That's the idea.
Check the rules though! Betfair has a specific section in market rules that amendments to today's vote don't change anything. Spin however might claim if Letwin passes that it's no longer a meaningful vote.
But their 'number of ayes' in MV market does NOT.
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What?Jonathan said:Starmer throws a curve ball into the debate having read the text.
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Moon: "This is the end of JIT manufacturing in whole of UK."
Looks like some detail is being debated now.0 -
JIT manufacturingbigjohnowls said:
What?Jonathan said:Starmer throws a curve ball into the debate having read the text.
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New market: Ynys Môn
Result last time
Lab 15,643
Con 10,384
PC 10,237
UKIP 624
LD 479
PC 5/4
Lab 6/4
Con 3/1
Bxp 50/1
LD 50/1
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Yes. It's time to have one. It is 1983 all over again. It's better to lose by 150 and have a clear out than lose by 50.SouthamObserver said:I suspect the Labour civil war is going to go nuclear next week. Once Brexit is voted through a lot of what was keeping things relatively calm is not going to be there anymore.
I am not too worried by ideology. But I do not want to be in the same party as narrow minded nationalists. If I did, I would join the Tories.
I want to be a Socialist Internationalist. Oh, where is that Green Party membership form ?0 -
Starmer doing a great job.
Sadly it looks like his gender is a barrier to him becoming party leader.0 -
Thanks, Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
I honestly don't know. I have tried to follow the arguments back and forth here this morning and no one seems to be able to clarify the effect. My inclination is to say it should be taking at face value in which case I understand its underlying reasons - to try and ensure good faith by Johnson - but fear its consequences which might make it easier for Remainers to vote down the WAIB when it returns to Parliament.Nigelb said:
Thanks heavens for some sense from the leave side of the argument.Richard_Tyndall said:
I won't bother to repeat it but needless to say Thomas More's speech as written by Robert Bolt seems apt at this point.
So yes of course you are right. Johnson cannot break the law. What I do believe he would be quite right to do is resign as PM thus avoiding having to enact the ruling.
What do you make of the Letwin amendment, Richard ? As you know he backs the deal (as, FWIW, do I, however reluctantly).
Do you really believe it a deliberate wrecking amendment ?
Bottom line is I don't know and I am not sure any one else dos either.
That is more or less where I am, too. If there were any trust on either side, it would be unnecessary; sadly there isn’t.0 -
Ask yourself which side of some of those arguments that the traditionally xenophobic parties (UKIP, BNP, NF, Vox, PP) are on.TheValiant said:
In your opinion. And don't get me wrong, I'm sure a lot of people who voted Leave didn't really understand what they were voting for, as a lot of people who voted Remain didn't understand either.Gallowgate said:
Where do you want me to start?TheValiant said:
I've found PB has gone a bit.... off... recently.Gallowgate said:
Well the Leave vote deserves contempt so there’s that.
Might I ask why this vote, but presumably not others held by the United Kingdom, deserves comtempt?
If there are other votes that do, please, which ones are they?
If it is comtemptable to vote Leave, what should be done about this?
One liners like this add nothing. We need more detail. What should we do, and why?
Its a xenophobic close-minded regressive project with no positives, that was won on the electorates fears and divisions.
But those who voted in 1975 who voted 'Stay' may also have been led up the garden path. It even said 'Common Market' on the 1975 ballot. That certainly isn't where we are now with the EU.
It's very easy to just shout 'xenophobia', but, at a guess, you didn't vote Leave? Even if you did you will not be able to know why people voted the way they did.
If Leaving the EU is xenophobic, close-minded regressiveness, then what is:
Scotland wanting to leave the UK
Wales the same
Catalonia wanting to leave Spain
California wanting to leave the United States
Presumably, these are all the same?0 -
The DUP abstaining on Letwin means the game is up today. The dark days came so quickly.
Last month, there was talk of a GNU. But the fucking PM's post was so fucking important.
I wish they had gone for Layla.1 -
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She has shown more spine and independence than most of the Labour Party.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:0 -
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DUP?Philip_Thompson said:
I am confused. The maths on the MV were tight and some voting for the MV are voting for Letwin and everyone it seems against the MV is voting for Letwin.rottenborough said:
Who is against the MV and against Letwin?0 -
Keir Starmer absolutely brilliant .
A complete dismantling of the so called Bozo promises on workers rights .0 -
OK. Let's move to 10 days annual holidays.0
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When you watch Starmer you soon realise why he abandoned his legal career to become a politician. What a bore. And amateur at dressing up his fear mongering. Threatening that the Uk is going to cut holiday allowance to 10 days if we Brexit! I’ve heard it all now.0
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5) In a fit of temper, Boris sends the Revoke letter, resigns and quits the UK to set up his James Bond style retreat on Diego Garcia with a bevy of beauties and a martial arts trained manservant all paid for by writing Richard Littlejohn style pieces of fantasy for the Telegraph and Daily Mail.oldpolitics said:
4) UK leaves with No Deal because the Letwin amendment frustrates agreement of a deal in a timely way and the EU refuses an extension.TheValiant said:
3) Deal passes by one vote, with the LOTO not in the Chamber.edmundintokyo said:Which do we think is a better plotline:
1) Deal loses by one vote, that of Theresa May, who turns out that when she said she could never split the UK she actually meant it
2) Deal passes by a casting vote, that of John Bercow0 -
And what about Labour?viewcode said:I understand that. But a smaller question which can perhaps be answered is "will the Government ask Con MPs to abstain if Letwin passes?". That in itself skews the probabilities.
If the MV is the Deal plus Letwin - with Tories abstaining - how do Labour vote?0 -
He is absolutely brilliant.moonshine said:When you watch Starmer you soon realise why he abandoned his legal career to become a politician. What a bore. And amateur at dressing up his fear mongering. Threatening that the Uk is going to cut holiday allowance to 10 days if we Brexit! I’ve heard it all now.
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She is a Tory !Gabs2 said:
She has shown more spine and independence than most of the Labour Party.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:0 -
It is surely only too late when the votes are cast?rottenborough said:
If the writing is on the wall now may be the optimal time to name a price.0 -
YesSandyRentool said:Starmer doing a great job.
Sadly it looks like his gender is a barrier to him becoming party leader.0 -
She respects voters and doesn't hate Jews.surbiton19 said:
She is a Tory !Gabs2 said:
She has shown more spine and independence than most of the Labour Party.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:
If that makes you a Tory, prepare for a Johnson landslide.0 -
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I’m not sure I could ascribe the term “absolutely brilliant” to any of our current crop of politicians. Marginally more effective, perhaps.surbiton19 said:
He is absolutely brilliant.moonshine said:When you watch Starmer you soon realise why he abandoned his legal career to become a politician. What a bore. And amateur at dressing up his fear mongering. Threatening that the Uk is going to cut holiday allowance to 10 days if we Brexit! I’ve heard it all now.
The last absolutely brilliant politician the UK had was probably Blair, for all his faults.0 -
All in the eye of the beholder I guess. Seems like an already over promoted weirdo to my eye.surbiton19 said:
He is absolutely brilliant.moonshine said:When you watch Starmer you soon realise why he abandoned his legal career to become a politician. What a bore. And amateur at dressing up his fear mongering. Threatening that the Uk is going to cut holiday allowance to 10 days if we Brexit! I’ve heard it all now.
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Caroline Flint has stood up against bigotry and racism many times while most of the Labour Party tacitly endorsed bigotry and anti-Semitism. I would return to voting Labour in an instant if she was leader, rather than the terrorist supporting bigots of Corbyn and McDonnell.murali_s said:
No, Caroline Flint is a traitor to progressive values. She is an ally to a right-wing Tory hard Brexit. She is a friend to bigotry and the xenophobes.HYUFD said:
Caroline Flint is a patriot and a heroine!!SandyRentool said:Flint pulling no punches there.
If there is any justice in the World, she will shortly be de-selected. Good riddance to bad rubbish!
The fact we have trash like her in the Labour party just shows how far Labour has sunk!0 -
That bridge doesn’t build itself...Philip_Thompson said:
It is surely only too late when the votes are cast?rottenborough said:
If the writing is on the wall now may be the optimal time to name a price.
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She has voted against privatisation and austerity year after year. You just hate her because she believes in democracy.surbiton19 said:
She is a Tory !Gabs2 said:
She has shown more spine and independence than most of the Labour Party.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:0 -
Have we heard from Jeremy yet?Scott_P said:0 -
God knows what Johnson has promised her.Gabs2 said:
Caroline Flint has stood up against bigotry and racism many times while most of the Labour Party tacitly endorsed bigotry and anti-Semitism. I would return to voting Labour in an instant if she was leader, rather than the terrorist supporting bigots of Corbyn and McDonnell.murali_s said:
No, Caroline Flint is a traitor to progressive values. She is an ally to a right-wing Tory hard Brexit. She is a friend to bigotry and the xenophobes.HYUFD said:
Caroline Flint is a patriot and a heroine!!SandyRentool said:Flint pulling no punches there.
If there is any justice in the World, she will shortly be de-selected. Good riddance to bad rubbish!
The fact we have trash like her in the Labour party just shows how far Labour has sunk!0 -
Starmer killing it, but is he too late?0
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But you fib relentlessly on here about having voted Remain.Gabs2 said:Caroline Flint has stood up against bigotry and racism many times while most of the Labour Party tacitly endorsed bigotry and anti-Semitism. I would return to voting Labour in an instant if she was leader, rather than the terrorist supporting bigots of Corbyn and McDonnell.
So, you know, pinch of ...0 -
UNS implies 26 gains from Labour offset by 14 losses to LDs and circa 8 to SNP leaving the Tories on 322. 5 of the vulnerable Labour seats have first term incumbency. Labour could expect circa 225 seats after losses to LDs and SNP - ignoring any incumbency effect.HYUFD said:Survation this morning gives a Tory majority of 26.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1185332233156124674?s=20
The Gold standard pollster gives Labour just 204 seats, even lower than the 209 Foot got in 1983
Tories 338
Labour 204
LDs 47
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=32&LAB=24&LIB=21&Brexit=13&Green=2&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base0 -
There will be a Johnson landslide. That is what this country deserves. God help the people of South Yorkshire and Humberside. And, you know what, then they won't be able to moan against the EU anymore.oldpolitics said:
She respects voters and doesn't hate Jews.surbiton19 said:
She is a Tory !Gabs2 said:
She has shown more spine and independence than most of the Labour Party.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:
If that makes you a Tory, prepare for a Johnson landslide.0 -
A bit of a girly swot?moonshine said:
All in the eye of the beholder I guess. Seems like an already over promoted weirdo to my eye.surbiton19 said:
He is absolutely brilliant.moonshine said:When you watch Starmer you soon realise why he abandoned his legal career to become a politician. What a bore. And amateur at dressing up his fear mongering. Threatening that the Uk is going to cut holiday allowance to 10 days if we Brexit! I’ve heard it all now.
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Just about only decent decision Jezza has made was to put Starmer in charge of this.Jonathan said:Starmer killing it, but is he too late?
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If there was a forced choice: Boris landslide or Corbyn landslide then which would you prefer?surbiton19 said:
There will be a Johnson landslide. That is what this country deserves. God help the people of South Yorkshire and Humberside. And, you know what, then they won't be able to moan against the EU anymore.oldpolitics said:
She respects voters and doesn't hate Jews.surbiton19 said:
She is a Tory !Gabs2 said:
She has shown more spine and independence than most of the Labour Party.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:
If that makes you a Tory, prepare for a Johnson landslide.
On a hypothetical forced choice basis.0 -
Quality from Starmer. Impossible if objective to not acknowledge that. And I am if nothing else objective.0
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Obviously, Corbyn landslide. Why do you ask ?Philip_Thompson said:
If there was a forced choice: Boris landslide or Corbyn landslide then which would you prefer?surbiton19 said:
There will be a Johnson landslide. That is what this country deserves. God help the people of South Yorkshire and Humberside. And, you know what, then they won't be able to moan against the EU anymore.oldpolitics said:
She respects voters and doesn't hate Jews.surbiton19 said:
She is a Tory !Gabs2 said:
She has shown more spine and independence than most of the Labour Party.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:
If that makes you a Tory, prepare for a Johnson landslide.
On a hypothetical forced choice basis.0 -
I thought you despised Corbyn and would only be able to tolerate him if he was constrained by other parties which wouldn't be the case if he had a landslide.surbiton19 said:
Obviously, Corbyn landslide. Why do you ask ?Philip_Thompson said:
If there was a forced choice: Boris landslide or Corbyn landslide then which would you prefer?surbiton19 said:
There will be a Johnson landslide. That is what this country deserves. God help the people of South Yorkshire and Humberside. And, you know what, then they won't be able to moan against the EU anymore.oldpolitics said:
She respects voters and doesn't hate Jews.surbiton19 said:
She is a Tory !Gabs2 said:
She has shown more spine and independence than most of the Labour Party.surbiton19 said:
Bid odd considering she is a #johnsonspoodleSouthamObserver said:
If that makes you a Tory, prepare for a Johnson landslide.
On a hypothetical forced choice basis.
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This is an absolute masterclass
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Maybe the DUP are discussing the price. 4 billion ?Philip_Thompson said:
It is surely only too late when the votes are cast?rottenborough said:
If the writing is on the wall now may be the optimal time to name a price.0 -
But that's going to be a decision for the electorate ultimatelyScott_P said:
If the electorate decide they want workers rights and consumer protections "downgraded" then they'll vote for that.
I'd be surprised if they do personally and I can't see any government winning an election on such a platform...0 -
If there’s one thing this whole saga has exposed, it’s that politicians don’t trust the general public any more than the public trusts them.GIN1138 said:
But that's going to be a decision for the electorate ultimatelyScott_P said:
If the electorate decide they want workers rights and consumers protections "downgraded" then they'll vote for that.
I'd be surprised if they do personally I can't see any government winning en election on such a platform.
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Starmer shows just how useless Corbyn is.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s moved some Labour for yes to no .0 -
The DUP can trump that by backing a second referendum on Brexit.MarqueeMark said:Boris shortly to tell the DUP that he is all that is stopping a referendum for a unified Ireland.
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The thing that gets me about Corbyn is not his politics but that he effing useless and on a vanity trip0
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There's no first term incumbency when these new MPs have shown themselves to be a shower of shite.justin124 said:
UNS implies 26 gains from Labour offset by 14 losses to LDs and circa 8 to SNP leaving the Tories on 322. 5 of the vulnerable Labour seats have first term incumbency. Labour could expect circa 225 seats after losses to LDs and SNP - ignoring any incumbency effect.HYUFD said:Survation this morning gives a Tory majority of 26.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1185332233156124674?s=20
The Gold standard pollster gives Labour just 204 seats, even lower than the 209 Foot got in 1983
Tories 338
Labour 204
LDs 47
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=32&LAB=24&LIB=21&Brexit=13&Green=2&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base0 -
For the UK left this feels very like 1983. It is divided, impotent, disastrously led and faced with a Prime Minister in complete charge of his own party and with 40% of the country solidly and unwaveringly behind him.0
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He hasn't burned his supply and confidence partners. He fought for a long time to get democratic consent for Northern Ireland and the province included in UK FTAs. Nobody thought the EU would move that far but Johnson risked it all to do it. That is why people like Trimble came on board. It is just DUP were too uncompromising.Scott_P said:
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It only needs 35% of the electorate to vote for it.GIN1138 said:
But that's going to be a decision for the electorate ultimatelyScott_P said:
If the electorate decide they want workers rights and consumer protections "downgraded" then they'll vote for that.
I'd be surprised if they do personally and I can't see any government winning an election on such a platform...
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No, he's good. Objectively, he is.Omnium said:He's not very good though if its his specialist subject. Doomed on the general knowledge I'd guess.
Loved your 'tool' comment - very witty - but TBH if you genuinely think he's a tool, you are allowing political bias to cloud your judgement.
Which is understandable. I can usually avoid that, but it's quite a rare thing.0 -
Not if 35% of the public are willing to vote for a party opposing it.SouthamObserver said:
It only needs 35% of the electorate to vote for it.GIN1138 said:
But that's going to be a decision for the electorate ultimatelyScott_P said:
If the electorate decide they want workers rights and consumer protections "downgraded" then they'll vote for that.
I'd be surprised if they do personally and I can't see any government winning an election on such a platform...0 -
Swinson is giving you a little more space from Corbyn than Cable did. She needs to improve and do so quite rapidly, but there is a huge opportunity for her.MikeSmithson said:The thing that gets me about Corbyn is not his politics but that he effing useless and on a vanity trip
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If the DUP abstain I suspect it fails.Scott_P said:0 -
If DUP abstain I think Letwin fails.0
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England 1983, yes.SouthamObserver said:For the UK left this feels very like 1983. It is divided, impotent, disastrously led and faced with a Prime Minister in complete charge of his own party and with 40% of the country solidly and unwaveringly behind him.
Scotland 1983, no.0
