Well done Theresa May for speaking in favour of the Boris Deal, if it passes much of the credit must still go to her for negotiating most of it
Classic hard cop soft cop.
May cuts a tough deal then Johnson plays the nice guy and compromises.
Lol. After months of saying that the EU would never accept Northern Ireland outside being full members of the Customs Union, it is now a softer deal.
The EU always said that alternative arrangements could replace the backstop. Johnson gave up on the alternative arrangements and chose a permanent framework that separates Northern Ireland.
The alternative arrangements they wanted was NI in the single market for everything (not just agriculture and industrial goods) and customs territory (not the UK's), and with no right to leave.
Can we tell what the DUP did on Letwin? Sammy sounded as if he was opposed.
The BBC is taking his comment "We would be failing in our duty if we did not use every strategy" to defeat the deal as an indication they would back Letwin.
Well Letwin is a way to defeat the deal, that's why Labour are backing it, so their taking it that way makes sense.
To you, maybe.
Well we shall in a few minutes if that was right - given their comments about using every strategy to defeat the deal, we will know if they voted for Letwin it was because they view it as a way to defeat the deal. I will happily apologise for being wrong about Letwin being a strategy to defeat the deal as far as the opposition is concerned if the DUP vote for it. If they don't then we take them at their word, and I was right it was used as a strategy to defeat the deal.
The point is that passing the Letwin amendment is not a way of defeating the deal. The deal will either go ahead next week, or else there will be an election and it will go ahead afterwards.
It's a strategy to ensure it is not approved today, and they hope they can defeat it later. I'll take them at their word that they see it as a way of defeating the deal, or rather trying to defeat it. Are they liars? Just because they might not be able to stop does not mean it is not a strategy to attempt to defeat it. Anything that delays its approval is a strategy to attempt to defeat it.
It does nothing to delay ratification, except for the few hours needed to have a final meaningful vote after the WAIB is passed.
Boris is going to be forced to ask for a delay, kicking and screaming.
It will be glorious.
He says he is not compelled by law so to do???
He said he’s not compelled to *negotiate* an extension. I guess that means he can send the letter saying “gizzus an extension” but when the EU says “for what?” he doesn’t answer.
The deal is now irrelevant. What is relevant is amendments to the withdrawal bill.
It's about to get a lot more complicated, and Mr Herdson's scenarios are in play. Not sure that Boris can wrangle all the Labour deal supporters through debate on various amendments and add ons.
Boris absolutely should follow the law, but if a court is going to send the letter for him if he refuses, from his POV why would he not refuse to send it? His supporters care more about his wanting to Brexit than if he followed the letter of the law.
He said he’s not compelled to *negotiate* an extension. I guess that means he can send the letter saying “gizzus an extension” but when the EU says “for what?” he doesn’t answer.
I think you're probably right - the word negotiate seems to have been carefully chosen.
It is incredible that parliament would even think of delaying Brexit yet again. Have they no idea what the public think of them?
Which public do you mean ?
Is that the public that are 6%, on average, more behind Remain than 2016 ?
Some on PB do need to get out of their comfort zone a little more often, I'm afraid to report.
I mean the public, not political obsessives who are the material of opinion polls
It's the reverse. The public is often apathetic to get this nuisance over in whichever way, which the Tories have cleverly retranslated from "let it be over" to to "get it done".
Presumably all 306 are for the deal? It doesn't sound like anyone voted No were against the deal?
In which case 9 who voted for Letwin need to vote for the deal to pass the deal surely? It sounds like there were at least 9 who voted for Letwin who said they would vote for the deal?
Boris is going to be forced to ask for a delay, kicking and screaming.
It will be glorious.
He says he is not compelled by law so to do???
He said he’s not compelled to *negotiate* an extension. I guess that means he can send the letter saying “gizzus an extension” but when the EU says “for what?” he doesn’t answer.
The EU has said time and again, that they would if there is an election or a referendum...nothing else.
Can we tell what the DUP did on Letwin? Sammy sounded as if he was opposed.
The BBC is taking his comment "We would be failing in our duty if we did not use every strategy" to defeat the deal as an indication they would back Letwin.
Well Letwin is a way to defeat the deal, that's why Labour are backing it, so their taking it that way makes sense.
To you, maybe.
Well we shall in a few minutes if that was right - given their comments about using every strategy to defeat the deal, we will know if they voted for Letwin it was because they view it as a way to defeat the deal. I will happily apologise for being wrong about Letwin being a strategy to defeat the deal as far as the opposition is concerned if the DUP vote for it. If they don't then we take them at their word, and I was right it was used as a strategy to defeat the deal.
The point is that passing the Letwin amendment is not a way of defeating the deal. The deal will either go ahead next week, or else there will be an election and it will go ahead afterwards.
It's a strategy to ensure it is not approved today, and they hope they can defeat it later. I'll take them at their word that they see it as a way of defeating the deal, or rather trying to defeat it. Are they liars? Just because they might not be able to stop does not mean it is not a strategy to attempt to defeat it. Anything that delays its approval is a strategy to attempt to defeat it.
It does nothing to delay ratification, except for the few hours needed to have a final meaningful vote after the WAIB is passed.
It probably won't. But the DUP and the other opposition parties think it gives them the chance to delay it. I don't know what the problem here is. The fight for remain is still live, none of the opposition would deny that. If they can unite around a referendum I'd even support that.
Corbyn should go for an election now, it won't get any better. Boris caught BXP on the hop for a news cycle but he won't be able to maintain that for a whole campaign.
Can we tell what the DUP did on Letwin? Sammy sounded as if he was opposed.
The BBC is taking his comment "We would be failing in our duty if we did not use every strategy" to defeat the deal as an indication they would back Letwin.
Well Letwin is a way to defeat the deal, that's why Labour are backing it, so their taking it that way makes sense.
To you, maybe.
Well we shall in a few minutes if that was right - given their comments about using every strategy to defeat the deal, we will know if they voted for Letwin it was because they view it as a way to defeat the deal. I will happily apologise for being wrong about Letwin being a strategy to defeat the deal as far as the opposition is concerned if the DUP vote for it. If they don't then we take them at their word, and I was right it was used as a strategy to defeat the deal.
The point is that passing the Letwin amendment is not a way of defeating the deal. The deal will either go ahead next week, or else there will be an election and it will go ahead afterwards.
It's a strategy to ensure it is not approved today, and they hope they can defeat it later. I'll take them at their word that they see it as a way of defeating the deal, or rather trying to defeat it. Are they liars? Just because they might not be able to stop does not mean it is not a strategy to attempt to defeat it. Anything that delays its approval is a strategy to attempt to defeat it.
It does nothing to delay ratification, except for the few hours needed to have a final meaningful vote after the WAIB is passed.
It’s purely about trying to embarrass the PM. It doesn’t achieve anything practical
Boris can’t be surprised that people do not give him the benefit of the doubt.
He respected the decision of the Supreme Court as soon as it was made.
Indeed and the important point is that the Protogation was not unlawful until it was declared so by the Supreme Court. Boris would only have been breaking the law had he ignored their ruling.
Presumably all 306 are for the deal? It doesn't sound like anyone voted No were against the deal?
In which case 9 who voted for Letwin need to vote for the deal to pass the deal surely? It sounds like there were at least 9 who voted for Letwin who said they would vote for the deal?
As I understand it if the legislation passes next week the bill can come back and we're out.
The complication is the letter and the EU's response.
Unless.... He says to the EU hold off on the decision until after next week and next week the deal passes.
Can we tell what the DUP did on Letwin? Sammy sounded as if he was opposed.
The BBC is taking his comment "We would be failing in our duty if we did not use every strategy" to defeat the deal as an indication they would back Letwin.
Well Letwin is a way to defeat the deal, that's why Labour are backing it, so their taking it that way makes sense.
To you, maybe.
Well we shall in a few minutes if that was right - given their comments about using every strategy to defeat the deal, we will know if they voted for Letwin it was because they view it as a way to defeat the deal. I will happily apologise for being wrong about Letwin being a strategy to defeat the deal as far as the opposition is concerned if the DUP vote for it. If they don't then we take them at their word, and I was right it was used as a strategy to defeat the deal.
The point is that passing the Letwin amendment is not a way of defeating the deal. The deal will either go ahead next week, or else there will be an election and it will go ahead afterwards.
It's a strategy to ensure it is not approved today, and they hope they can defeat it later. I'll take them at their word that they see it as a way of defeating the deal, or rather trying to defeat it. Are they liars? Just because they might not be able to stop does not mean it is not a strategy to attempt to defeat it. Anything that delays its approval is a strategy to attempt to defeat it.
It does nothing to delay ratification, except for the few hours needed to have a final meaningful vote after the WAIB is passed.
It probably won't. But the DUP and the other opposition parties think it gives them the chance to delay it. I don't know what the problem here is. The fight for remain is still live, none of the opposition would deny that. If they can unite around a referendum I'd even support that.
The only problem will be if there isn't a majority for the deal. That would have been a problem in any case.
If there isn't a majority for the deal now, I'm sure there will be one after a general election.
Presumably all 306 are for the deal? It doesn't sound like anyone voted No were against the deal?
In which case 9 who voted for Letwin need to vote for the deal to pass the deal surely? It sounds like there were at least 9 who voted for Letwin who said they would vote for the deal?
As I understand it if the legislation passes next week the bill can come back and we're out.
The complication is the letter and the EU's response.
Unless.... He says to the EU hold off on the decision until after next week and next week the deal passes.
The timescale that's been suggested for an EU decision is the week after next in any case.
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It will be glorious.
Is that the public that are 6%, on average, more behind Remain than 2016 ?
Some on PB do need to get out of their comfort zone a little more often, I'm afraid to report.
See you in court, Jolyon.
In which case 9 who voted for Letwin need to vote for the deal to pass the deal surely? It sounds like there were at least 9 who voted for Letwin who said they would vote for the deal?
He approach reminds me of those infamous people in Oxford who trash restaurants and Play nice, pay for the damage and expect to get away with it.
It's not over till it's over.
But it's nearly over.
The complication is the letter and the EU's response.
Unless.... He says to the EU hold off on the decision until after next week and next week the deal passes.
If there isn't a majority for the deal now, I'm sure there will be one after a general election.
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