Just as an aside, the BBC's ridiculous. Apparently marathon news and American gymnastics come ahead of F1...
Nobody seem so be mentioning that the 2 hour marathon was as contrived as Bannister's 4 minute mile in 1954
You must be fun at parties.
Could you outline the ways in which the kipchoge marathon was "contrived" in a way, that, say, the moon landings were not?
" To reduce aerodynamic resistance for Kipchoge, event organizers decided there would be a group of five pacemakers running in front of him in a V formation, according to Reuters. Kipchoge would run behind them, with two more runners following behind.
The pacers worked in teams, rotating in twice during each of the course’s 9.6-km (6-mile) laps. An electric car preceded the runners, projecting a system of lasers to show where the pacers should run."
Athletic feat, yes. Competitive event? Hardly.
Yes, it's fine not being an official world record, no big deal, it was about proving the possible
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Frankly, every public engagement she does is poor compensation for inflicting Prince Andrew on the nation.
He is inflicted on us? I have not seen him in decades. Is he still here or has he emigrated?
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Possibly because its her job?
She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
Yes. She could work zero days a year and still live in a luxurious palace.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
If the "crash out with no deal which is explicitly not what people were promised during the campaign" *doesn't* lead to Parliament being burned down, but "hang on a minute, we clearly needed more time to work out how to leave in an orderly fashion rather than blundering into chaos" *does* lead to Parliament being burned down, then I'd suggest that the supporters of the latter position are the problem.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Brexit didnt demonstrate that, everyone already knew but for sone reason people pretend it is new information.
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
I suspect you view “Europeans” or “humans” as a single demos, while I limit it based on national units)
So you think England should vote on its relationship to other nations as England?
I do but sadly the Scots didn't want to be an independent country.
That is such a perverse answer. We should decide as England, but only if Scotland lets us?
I hope to see the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish be brave enough to go off on their own and take responsibility for themselves but if they're too frit to do so as the Scots were in 2014 don't want to shove the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish away if they still want to cling to us. They're like little siblings, they can tag along if they want to but hopefully they'll grow up and leave us to ourselves eventually.
Just as an aside, the BBC's ridiculous. Apparently marathon news and American gymnastics come ahead of F1...
Nobody seem so be mentioning that the 2 hour marathon was as contrived as Bannister's 4 minute mile in 1954
You must be fun at parties.
Could you outline the ways in which the kipchoge marathon was "contrived" in a way, that, say, the moon landings were not?
" To reduce aerodynamic resistance for Kipchoge, event organizers decided there would be a group of five pacemakers running in front of him in a V formation, according to Reuters. Kipchoge would run behind them, with two more runners following behind.
The pacers worked in teams, rotating in twice during each of the course’s 9.6-km (6-mile) laps. An electric car preceded the runners, projecting a system of lasers to show where the pacers should run."
Athletic feat, yes. Competitive event? Hardly.
Yes, it's fine not being an official world record, no big deal, it was about proving the possible
Also, he also holds the official WR at around 2.02....so it isnt like he is trying to claim fastest ever while also not also being the official fastest ever.
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
It is amazing how quick you are to offer scenarios of violence if you do not get your way.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Possibly because its her job?
She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
Yes. She could work zero days a year and still live in a luxurious palace.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
It is a job. She was born to inherit it, but she could abdicate at any time and if she screws up she could be fired.
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
It is amazing how quick you are to offer scenarios of violence if you do not get your way.
It's a bit like my 5 year old stamping her feet and chucking things around when she can't have another ice cream.
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
If it burnt to the ground we would probably save a £1bn or so on rebuilding costs and create a building more fit for purpose.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Brexit didnt demonstrate that, everyone already knew but for sone reason people pretend it is new information.
It merely cast the information into sharp relief, a bit like all the other inadequacies of our "Constitution" - the major flaw being that it only works if used by reasonable people. Megalomanics and wreckers work on a different principle.
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
It is amazing how quick you are to offer scenarios of violence if you do not get your way.
It's a bit like my 5 year old stamping her feet and chucking things around when she can't have another ice cream.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Possibly because its her job?
She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
Yes. She could work zero days a year and still live in a luxurious palace.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
It is a job. She was born to inherit it, but she could abdicate at any time and if she screws up she could be fired.
How do you fire her? Report her to the HR dept and issue written warnings?
You're having a lovely morning watching the events at parliament then your ex phones you cos their partner has gone on holiday without them and they are bored. Now I'm as grouchy as Skinner on a State occasion
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
If it burnt to the ground we would probably save a £1bn or so on rebuilding costs and create a building more fit for purpose.
I am sure our public servants could find a way to spend several billion on it. If only there was a way to save, say, £350m a week....
You're having a lovely morning watching the events at parliament then your ex phones you cos their partner has gone on holiday without them and they are bored. Now I'm as grouchy as Skinner on a State occasion
At least Brexit will stop them going abroad as it will take 4 months to get all the visa and International Driving Permits sorted. Assuming the planes are flying... or that Dover is not a lorry park so you can actually get on a ferry.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Possibly because its her job?
She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
Yes. She could work zero days a year and still live in a luxurious palace.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
It is a job. She was born to inherit it, but she could abdicate at any time and if she screws up she could be fired.
How do you fire her? Report her to the HR dept and issue written warnings?
Get Lady Hale to declare her reign to be of null effect and install Gina Miller and Jo Maugham as first couple
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
It is amazing how quick you are to offer scenarios of violence if you do not get your way.
The place does want burning down. Claim on the insurance and build something fit for purpose elsewhere. Flog off the cleared land for a car park or student accommodation like every other owner of a listed building that they can't sell or afford to do up does.....
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
You're having a lovely morning watching the events at parliament then your ex phones you cos their partner has gone on holiday without them and they are bored. Now I'm as grouchy as Skinner on a State occasion
At least Brexit will stop them going abroad as it will take 4 months to get all the visa and International Driving Permits sorted. Assuming the planes are flying... or that Dover is not a lorry park so you can actually get on a ferry.
If she could see her way clear to Dyedexiting properly it would be a start, I was offered no deal at the time!
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Possibly because its her job?
She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
Yes. She could work zero days a year and still live in a luxurious palace.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
It is a job. She was born to inherit it, but she could abdicate at any time and if she screws up she could be fired.
How do you fire her? Report her to the HR dept and issue written warnings?
An Act of Parliament abolishing her job or removing her from the post.
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
8/1 on no deal. Presumably Hungary or any other country in the 27 can still block a further extension so maybe some small value? Maybe that's the nub of the evil Johnsonian/Cummings masterplan.
You're having a lovely morning watching the events at parliament then your ex phones you cos their partner has gone on holiday without them and they are bored. Now I'm as grouchy as Skinner on a State occasion
You know thats basically an offer for 'Netflix and Chill' right?
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Possibly because its her job?
She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
Yes. She could work zero days a year and still live in a luxurious palace.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
It is a job. She was born to inherit it, but she could abdicate at any time and if she screws up she could be fired.
How do you fire her? Report her to the HR dept and issue written warnings?
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Possibly because its her job?
She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
Yes. She could work zero days a year and still live in a luxurious palace.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
It is a job. She was born to inherit it, but she could abdicate at any time and if she screws up she could be fired.
How do you fire her? Report her to the HR dept and issue written warnings?
You're having a lovely morning watching the events at parliament then your ex phones you cos their partner has gone on holiday without them and they are bored. Now I'm as grouchy as Skinner on a State occasion
You know thats basically an offer for 'Netflix and Chill' right?
I do. I'm also not going there. She is well aware of my position on subscription services and relaxation
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Boris and Swinson make a lovely couple at the front there Corbyn has fucked off by the looks of BBC coverage
Edit: Got my Sturgeons and Swinsons mixed up - nevertheless I'll let the next thought stand
Sturgeon seems to have remembered she is leading the Scottish Nationalist Party, not "remains little helpers in Scotland" recently. She's been reminding Blackford of the same slowly recently.
For the sake of precision I hope she's remembered that she's leading the Scottish National Party, don't want the 'patriots not nationalists' brigade too worked up.
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
Possibly because its her job?
She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
Yes. She could work zero days a year and still live in a luxurious palace.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
It is a job. She was born to inherit it, but she could abdicate at any time and if she screws up she could be fired.
How do you fire her? Report her to the HR dept and issue written warnings?
I did not know that, thank you. I figured they'd have to do another Abdication Act, like the one they did for Edward.
Incidentally, does the Regency Act cover the whole Commonwealth or just the UK? She is Queen of more than one place.
I think they would have to do another Act. That one does not seem to apply if she just says "Sod it. I cannot be bothered". You need physicians to say that she is actually ill.
"... shall include the evidence of physicians that the Sovereign is by reason of infirmity of mind or body incapable for the time being of performing the royal functions or that they are satisfied by evidence that the Sovereign is for some definite cause not available for the performance of those functions, then, until it is declared in like manner that His Majesty has so far recovered His health as to warrant His resumption of the royal functions or has become available for the performance thereof, as the case may be, those functions shall be performed in the name and on behalf of the Sovereign by a Regent."
[Edit: Also - very sexist language as it assumes the sovereign is a bloke]
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
You're having a lovely morning watching the events at parliament then your ex phones you cos their partner has gone on holiday without them and they are bored. Now I'm as grouchy as Skinner on a State occasion
At least Brexit will stop them going abroad as it will take 4 months to get all the visa and International Driving Permits sorted. Assuming the planes are flying... or that Dover is not a lorry park so you can actually get on a ferry.
If she could see her way clear to Dyedexiting properly it would be a start, I was offered no deal at the time!
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
An EIP will only get traction once enough English folk make the necessary psychological transition from British to English nationalism, or rather learn to differentiate between the two.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
No. My objection is much simpler. From watching those who wanted her to do something political, I have learned that she is not so apolitical as politcally impotent. She literally has to approve whatever the PM tells her.
I thought she had limited powers. It appears she either has none or, like nuclear weapons, cannot use ever them without destroying everything around her.
So... what is the point? If she has to rubberstamp everything a PM tells her (and has actually given the Royal Assent power to the govt) then she is nothing more than a gilded rubberstamp.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
I seem to recall that the people over the past few months complaining about the Queen were Leavers. Didn't Lilico or Toby Young tweet something stupid about it?
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
How come the Extinction Rebellion morons have suddenly been cleared from the streets just because Her Majesty is travelling around London?
It's almost like when Parliament/Government/Police wants ER out of the way they can get them out of the way?
ER are morons? or ER is a moron?
HMQ's mode of transport is very eco-friendly. They shouldn't have a problem with it. And they can take home the horse sh*t to upscale into a table-lamp or vase.
Makes good compost (apparently, I have no personal knowledge of this...)
It is great (we had a big pile of horse dung at home when I was growing up that we used to give away to friends and neighbours)
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
Fair to say from Skys public panel in Leeds 'get Brexit done' is resonating
If there is an extension and a general election the 'get Brexit done' will be a fantastic slogan for the government. Clear and simple.
Hmm, not sure about that. It sounded good during the initial blaze of activity when Boris first took over but once he's spent a few weeks in the negotiating morass that characterizes actually trying to get Brexit done some of the voters may remember that the Conservatives have been promising that for the last three and a half years and still haven't delivered it.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
No. My objection is much simpler. From watching those who wanted her to do something political, I have learned that she is not so apolitical as politcally impotent. She literally has to approve whatever the PM tells her.
I thought she had limited powers. It appears she either has none or, like nuclear weapons, cannot use ever them without destroying everything around her.
Again, this isn’t news. It last reared its ugly head during the Suez Crisis.
The monarch acts on the advice of her PM. If he (or she) turns out to subsequently have been iffy and landed the Palace in a political splat then the monarch will first be ‘very concerned’ (code for DefCon One) and will wait impatiently for the political or judicial process to do its work.
She does have an important constitutional role: through her right to be consulted, advised and to warn she can act as an effective private counsellor to every PM. Which is valuable.
But, she cannot decide. And she certainly wouldn’t touch any aspect of the politics of Brexit with a barge pole, or it’d blow up the monarchy too.
Fair to say from Skys public panel in Leeds 'get Brexit done' is resonating
If there is an extension and a general election the 'get Brexit done' will be a fantastic slogan for the government. Clear and simple.
Hmm, not sure about that. It sounded good during the initial blaze of activity when Boris first took over but once he's spent a few weeks in the negotiating morass that characterizes actually trying to get Brexit done some of the voters may remember that the Conservatives have been promising that for the last three and a half years and still haven't delivered it.
Quite right. Boris will go down with Theresa as yet another politician hopelessly out of their depth amid the complexities and contortions of leaving the EU. Worse for Boris was that he advocated it with an airy complacency. He will look frivolous and a bit of a twit.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
I seem to recall that the people over the past few months complaining about the Queen were Leavers. Didn't Lilico or Toby Young tweet something stupid about it?
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
That would be a surreal experience indeed.
I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
Fair to say from Skys public panel in Leeds 'get Brexit done' is resonating
If there is an extension and a general election the 'get Brexit done' will be a fantastic slogan for the government. Clear and simple.
Hmm, not sure about that. It sounded good during the initial blaze of activity when Boris first took over but once he's spent a few weeks in the negotiating morass that characterizes actually trying to get Brexit done some of the voters may remember that the Conservatives have been promising that for the last three and a half years and still haven't delivered it.
The bigger problem however is that anything but Revoke means just the end of the beginning of the Brexit process. In reality, it would never be really done and we would certainly face decades of wrangling.
That would become increasingly obvious through a GE campaign.
How come the Extinction Rebellion morons have suddenly been cleared from the streets just because Her Majesty is travelling around London?
It's almost like when Parliament/Government/Police wants ER out of the way they can get them out of the way?
ER are morons? or ER is a moron?
HMQ's mode of transport is very eco-friendly. They shouldn't have a problem with it. And they can take home the horse sh*t to upscale into a table-lamp or vase.
Makes good compost (apparently, I have no personal knowledge of this...)
It is great (we had a big pile of horse dung at home when I was growing up that we used to give away to friends and neighbours)
These days lots of it is contaminated with Grazon Pro selective broadleaf weedkiller (used on docks in grass fields) which persists like hell. OK on established shrubs, kills some sorts of seedling stone dead.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
No. My objection is much simpler. From watching those who wanted her to do something political, I have learned that she is not so apolitical as politcally impotent. She literally has to approve whatever the PM tells her.
I thought she had limited powers. It appears she either has none or, like nuclear weapons, cannot use ever them without destroying everything around her.
Again, this isn’t news. It last reared its ugly head during the Suez Crisis.
The monarch acts on the advice of her PM. If he (or she) turns out to subsequently have been iffy and landed the Palace in a political splat then the monarch will first be ‘very concerned’ (code for DefCon One) and will wait impatiently for the political or judicial process to do its work.
She does have an important constitutional role: through her right to be consulted, advised and to warn she can act as an effective private counsellor to every PM. Which is valuable.
But, she cannot decide. And she certainly wouldn’t touch any aspect of the politics of Brexit with a barge pole, or it’d blow up the monarchy too.
Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
This isn’t news. The monarchy has been apolitical for hundreds of years now.
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
Would Cromwell have been a Leaver or Remainer?
A leaver, with a very hard line on the Irish
But willing to work with european partners on a case by case basis whilst reaching out, so to speak, in other areas.
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
That would seem uncharacteristically reckless, since not only does it rely on the *British* parliament to pass something they've barely had time to read and with the risk of their own PM playing silly buggers to crash out with No Deal, it also needs to be passed by the *EU* parliament, and IIUC they're not even sitting during most of the last week of October.
It isn't the first time. Many of the Syrian 'freedom fighters' that the US has worked with up till now have had close ties with Al Qaeda or been virtually indistinguishable. The worrying thing about this current instance is that Turkish politicians have in the past spoken warmly about recognising the Islamic State - I doubt they will be at all perturbed by the release of thousands of IS prisoners to wreak havoc on Syria.
What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .
What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.
And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .
Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn. If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them
What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".
That would seem uncharacteristically reckless, since not only does it rely on the *British* parliament to pass something they've barely had time to read and with the risk of their own PM playing silly buggers to crash out with No Deal, it also needs to be passed by the *EU* parliament, and IIUC they're not even sitting during most of the last week of October.
They wont risk it. The benefit of a conclusion would not be worth it.
Has “People’s Vote” been officially dropped for “Confirmatory Referendum”?
Can’t we just call a spade a spade and call it the Losers Revote?
The basic problem Leavers have is that the more the public have seen of their plans, the less they like them. They have abjectly failed to create a consensus.
Their lack of introspection about this failure is the most enduring mystery of Brexit for me.
Contrast with the response of SNP, Green and other Yes campaigners who have never stopped trying to convert wavering No-ers to the Yes side since 2014. Change can only be achieved by converting previous opponents to your arguments. It is a basic, enduring truth of public life. Leavers totally fail to understand that. They think they will win by bullying, intimidation and bending the law. They won’t. The entire edifice is built on very shoddy foundations. It takes decades to build the solid base on which to advance. Leavers have been lazy, negligent and arrogant. There is no consensus to leave, and there never will be until the Leave side is lead by pleasant, trustworthy and persuasive people.
But there no pleasant, trustworthy or pleasant people in the SNP.
Whilst I wouldn't go that far, the whole critique is so thuddingly lacking in self-awareness, it's hard to know where to begin.
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I think it's gone the same way as 'rooves', which is approaching obsolescence and has been replaced by the inelegant 'roofs'.
I am beginning to wonder why we bother.
[Edit: BTW - it is not a job. It is not like she applied and sat an interview]
...will be the post-Brexit headline.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw8and1Geo6/1/16/section/2
Queen's speech = "squirrel"
"The horse had four hooves, one in each corner"
"A panicking defender usually just hoofs the ball upfield"
Incidentally, does the Regency Act cover the whole Commonwealth or just the UK? She is Queen of more than one place.
"... shall include the evidence of physicians that the Sovereign is by reason of infirmity of mind or body incapable for the time being of performing the royal functions or that they are satisfied by evidence that the Sovereign is for some definite cause not available for the performance of those functions, then, until it is declared in like manner that His Majesty has so far recovered His health as to warrant His resumption of the royal functions or has become available for the performance thereof, as the case may be, those functions shall be performed in the name and on behalf of the Sovereign by a Regent."
[Edit: Also - very sexist language as it assumes the sovereign is a bloke]
Ultra-Remainers main objection is that it wasn’t political enough: they wanted HMQ to tell Boris where to go, and cared nothing for the constitutional consequences of that.
Oh dear - hat and coat time again..
Nah not going there 😂
These guys just like ranting impotently on Twitter, they may appeal.
https://twitter.com/englishindparty?lang=en
An EIP will only get traction once enough English folk make the necessary psychological transition from British to English nationalism, or rather learn to differentiate between the two.
I thought she had limited powers. It appears she either has none or, like nuclear weapons, cannot use ever them without destroying everything around her.
So... what is the point? If she has to rubberstamp everything a PM tells her (and has actually given the Royal Assent power to the govt) then she is nothing more than a gilded rubberstamp.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1183711205229301761?s=20
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/kurds-syria-turkey-trump.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
The monarch acts on the advice of her PM. If he (or she) turns out to subsequently have been iffy and landed the Palace in a political splat then the monarch will first be ‘very concerned’ (code for DefCon One) and will wait impatiently for the political or judicial process to do its work.
She does have an important constitutional role: through her right to be consulted, advised and to warn she can act as an effective private counsellor to every PM. Which is valuable.
But, she cannot decide. And she certainly wouldn’t touch any aspect of the politics of Brexit with a barge pole, or it’d blow up the monarchy too.
I unfollowed him as I got tired of his ravings.
If so it’s really great how far we’ve come as a society in the last 50 years
Has he any idea what is actually happening?
That would become increasingly obvious through a GE campaign.
https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1183673365359411200?s=20