Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » By the end of the week we just might have a better idea of whi

1246

Comments

  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    edited October 2019

    Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn.
    If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them ;)
    What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".

  • What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow ratification of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".

    It would be perfect to many
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,108

    Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn.
    If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them ;)
    They could actually pass the deal in principle but amend the legislation to state that this doesn’t nullify the Benn Act as officially this is not yet a concluded deal, that only happens when the full legal text is done and signed off by both sides .

    Why should MPs remove the Benn Act when things could still unravel .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,797

    Yebbut they often make a hell of a dog's breakfast of the plumbing.
    As I said below, though, their VAT expertise could be of great use to the Treasury.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    It would be perfect to many
    It's not completely outside the realms of possibility that Boris will try to get this in there. It makes sense for the insistence we WILL be leaving one way or another and has the added virtue of being his own Benn Act. Effectively.

    Conjecture. But everything at the moment is conjecture.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".

    The answer is within your words! Its Boris or bust
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Bercow!!!!!!!!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    GIN1138 said:

    Bercow!!!!!!!!

    What?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716

    Dominic Grieve just seemed to suggest on the BBC that if a second referendum resulted in Remain that Leavers would be entitled to then campaign to get a majority for us to leave without a third referendum.

    Leaving the EU seems to be obviously within the rights of a majority government so clearly they would? But entitled or not there's bound to be at least some kind of a market for brexit after it loses a (hypothetical) second referendum and I'd have thought they'd campaign on enacting the first one and ignoring the second rather than making if the best of three.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    nico67 said:

    They could actually pass the deal in principle but amend the legislation to state that this doesn’t nullify the Benn Act as officially this is not yet a concluded deal, that only happens when the full legal text is done and signed off by both sides .

    Why should MPs remove the Benn Act when things could still unravel .
    Well I'd expect the government to word the bill in such a way as to nullify Benn or amend it to allow BJ to ask for a short technical extension. It's up to MPs to vote the deal down if they want to play the 'we dont trust him' card and sell that as valid to a weary electorate
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Noo said:

    That's a fair point, but for reference we were talking about racism. If we're agreed that antisemitism is racism -- and I do agree -- I never again want to hear anybody tell me that islamophobia isn't.
    Well it's complicated by the fact that Jewish beliefs are, in the main albeit not exclusively, associated with Jews (either Israeli Jews or people of Jewish descent with other nationalities).

    Islamic beliefs are not tied to nationality or race to that extend.

    (In any event, trying to split hairs between different types of discrimination is a futile pursuit. That being said, there is a tendency among some - not suggesting you - to call legitimate anti-radical-Islam measures as "islamophobia")
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    GIN1138 said:

    How come the Extinction Rebellion morons have suddenly been cleared from the streets just because Her Majesty is travelling around London?

    It's almost like when Parliament/Government/Police wants ER out of the way they can get them out of the way? ;)

    ER are morons? or ER is a moron?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    edited October 2019

    What?
    He appeared briefly on screen.

    Will be his final QS of course. Will be the last time he does HMQ the amazing gift of allowing her to spend a few minutes in his company.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    GIN1138 said:

    He appeared briefly on screen.

    Will be his final QS of course. Will be the last time he does HMQ the amazing gift of allowing her to spend a few minutes in his company.
    Plus hes all dressed up like a little slut today, the saucy mare
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    Its raining apparently
    XR have been out in the rain all week; I think this is an instance of the police being told the pols want a good photo opp, so get the plebs out of the road, like they did with the homeless before the royal weddings...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    GIN1138 said:

    He appeared briefly on screen.

    Will be his final QS of course. Will be the last time he does HMQ the amazing gift of allowing her to spend a few minutes in his company.
    Thought he had taken HM out with a slide tackle at least
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    ER are morons? or ER is a moron?
    HMQ's mode of transport is very eco-friendly. They shouldn't have a problem with it. And they can take home the horse sh*t to upscale into a table-lamp or vase.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266
    GIN1138 said:

    How come the Extinction Rebellion morons have suddenly been cleared from the streets just because Her Majesty is travelling around London?

    It's almost like when Parliament/Government/Police wants ER out of the way they can get them out of the way? ;)

    I first read that 'ER' as meaning 'Elizabeth Regina" and wondered why parliament/government/police wanted her out of the way. Seemed a bit harsh and uncalled for!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,108
    GIN1138 said:

    He appeared briefly on screen.

    Will be his final QS of course. Will be the last time he does HMQ the amazing gift of allowing her to spend a few minutes in his company.
    You never know with Bercow , he might change his mind again which would be quite something !

    Bercow is pompous and full of himself but he pissed off the ERG big time so gets a pass from me .
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,228

    HMQ's mode of transport is very eco-friendly. They shouldn't have a problem with it. And they can take home the horse sh*t to upscale into a table-lamp or vase.
    Makes good compost (apparently, I have no personal knowledge of this...)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    The office I'm working in - half way around the world - has BBC News on in their lobby, showing the Queen's Speech. Lots of passers-by with very bemused looks on their faces at the spectacle.
  • Did Black Rod call it the House of Kings? Is that right?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Skinner has finally run out of hilarious things to say
  • Sandpit said:

    The office I'm working in - half way around the world - has BBC News on in their lobby, showing the Queen's Speech. Lots of passers-by with very bemused looks on their faces at the spectacle.

    It is on CNBC and CNN and Euronews
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Sandpit said:

    The office I'm working in - half way around the world - has BBC News on in their lobby, showing the Queen's Speech. Lots of passers-by with very bemused looks on their faces at the spectacle.

    We may have totally lost the plot over the past three years but we can still put on a bloody good show when we want to. :D
  • Skinner has finally run out of hilarious things to say

    I think that ship sailed quite some time ago.
  • "My Government"?

    Isn't it the People's Government? :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Dont think Corbyn was interested in small talk with Boris on the way to the Lords.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    "My Government"?

    Isn't it the People's Government? :)

    No.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    I think that ship sailed quite some time ago.
    Much like labours hold on Bolsover ;)
  • "My Government"?

    Isn't it the People's Government? :)

    No its always been HMG.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    Off topic. At Shannon airport the departures area has a display of photos of famous arrivals at the airport. Just as you enter the area for pre clearing US immigration there is a huge picture of Fidel Castro. That is some impressive Irish trolling.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Who will take over the Black Rod heckling duties when Dennis Skinner retires? It's tradition now, someone has to do it.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    She should really just do the Degeneration X crotch chop and walk out
  • No its always been HMG.
    Yebbut the People elected the Government!
  • kle4 said:

    No.
    Monarchist crawler :lol:
  • What did Skinner say?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    What did Skinner say?

    'Not now love'
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    GIN1138 said:

    Wouldn't if be wonderful if Her Majesty said **** this crap, tore up Boris's QS and read out Cromwells speech instead?

    That would be a surreal experience indeed.

    I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    What did Skinner say?

    "Wibble. Pah-Paaaaah. Beep"
  • nico67 said:

    What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .

    What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.

    And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .

    ..
    If there is no agreed legal text of a WA then there can't be a MV. If a MV isn't carried then the Benn Act kicks in unless the Commons agrees No Deal. Amending either the Benn Act or the MV requirement needs primary legislation which there is no time or majority for.

    Boris could put down a Commons motion on the draft terms of anything agreed in principle at EUCO and there may be a political case for doing so ( as well as risks ) but unless it's a MV or Benn Act resolution to support No Deal then the Benn Act requirement to seek an extension kicks in.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,538

    Yebbut the People elected the Government!
    Nope. They elected 650 MPs.
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    Yebbut the People elected the Government!
    No, they elected local representatives.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Selebian said:

    I first read that 'ER' as meaning 'Elizabeth Regina" and wondered why parliament/government/police wanted her out of the way. Seemed a bit harsh and uncalled for!
    If she said she didnt want Brexit the government would evict her sharpish!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    How do you reconcile that with the principle of “no taxation without representation”?
    Partly because that was a specific slogan at the time where people being taxed were not represented in parliament at all.

    Even in the UK people who cannot vote (e.g. children, criminals and peers) pay VAT etc.

    In the case of resident non-citizens there is a clear pathway to obtaining the vote

    (As an aside, I have no issue with resident non-citizens electing local councils, because their remit is largely practical. For Westminster it can be citizens and the Commonwealth/Irish voters). For referendums and other "rule-setting" votes it should be strictly citizens only).
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Who is going to win the sweepstake on the length of The Queen's Speech?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266

    Leaving the EU seems to be obviously within the rights of a majority government so clearly they would? But entitled or not there's bound to be at least some kind of a market for brexit after it loses a (hypothetical) second referendum and I'd have thought they'd campaign on enacting the first one and ignoring the second rather than making if the best of three.
    Yes, they'd be entirely entitled to do that. Second ref remain would simply annul the first, not resolve the issue for all time, any more than the original ref 40 years ago.

    There seems to be a feeling on here amongst some that this makes Brexit inevitable at some point - Tories will have Brexit in manifesto and they will win a majority at some point. Not sure myself - most people really don't (and never did) have Brexit as a top level issue and I'm not sure the electorate will want to reopen it again once resolved, whichever way*. It might depend on Labour** - if they were more centrist at that point then Brexit in the Tory manifesto could push a lot of potential voters to Labour, even while hoovering up some of the 15% or so for whom Brexiting seems the primary issue (Brexit party polls). The Conservatives are (historically) good at pragmatism and adopting policies to get elected, so Brexit may also get dropped f it doesn't look like it will bring electoral success.

    *I'd also not expect a rejoin after Brexit for at least a decade, unless Brexit went very wrong. I don't think there will be an appetite to revisit it again soon.

    **Or LD if they were seen as a credible alternative at that point
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Boris and Swinson make a lovely couple at the front there Corbyn has fucked off by the looks of BBC coverage
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    kle4 said:

    That would be a surreal experience indeed.

    I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.
    Probably just a side-effect of being 93, but HM's tone and general demeanour gives me the impression she could insert "yeah, whatevs" after any of these commitments without missing a beat.

    Final sentence "Can't imagine any of this old bollocks will make it through anyway. Seeya for Jez's version when I'm back from Sandringham. Don't even think about disrupting my turkey".
  • PB seems chock full of Monarchist Crawlers(TM) today :lol:
  • The Guardian is flagging up comments from DUP MP Jim Shannon to the Irish Times. They appear to harden the DUP stance on Boris' proposal. Though without fuller context it's hard to be definitive.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Corbyn is an utterly humourless charmless twat
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    edited October 2019

    Boris and Swinson make a lovely couple at the front there Corbyn has fucked off by the looks of BBC coverage

    Edit: Got my Sturgeons and Swinsons mixed up - nevertheless I'll let the next thought stand ;)

    Sturgeon seems to have remembered she is leading the Scottish Nationalist Party, not "remains little helpers in Scotland" recently. She's been reminding Blackford of the same slowly recently.
  • Probably just a side-effect of being 93, but HM's tone and general demeanour gives me the impression she could insert "yeah, whatevs" after any of these commitments without missing a beat.

    Final sentence "Can't imagine any of this old bollocks will make it through anyway. Seeya for Jez's version when I'm back from Sandringham. Don't even think about disrupting my turkey".
    That was the conservative manifesto posing as the Queens Speech
  • Which century are we living in? The 21st or the 11th? :lol:
  • Corbyn is an utterly humourless charmless twat

    Whats he done?
  • The Guardian is flagging up comments from DUP MP Jim Shannon to the Irish Times. They appear to harden the DUP stance on Boris' proposal. Though without fuller context it's hard to be definitive.

    The DUP should be reminded that NI as a whole voted to remain by 56% to 44%.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    PB seems chock full of Monarchist Crawlers(TM) today :lol:

    As Terry Pratchett observed, whoever designed humanity left on a crucial flaw - our tendency to bend at the knee.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Whats he done?
    Refusing to engage in any conversation with Boris or the HoC official walking back from the QS. Miserable old f*cker
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    Whats he done?
    Nothing. Now or ever.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    That was the conservative manifesto posing as the Queens Speech
    Which is what happens when the Opposition won't raise a vote of confidence.

    Three weeks from now we'll be getting the Conservative tax cuts manifesto to go alongside today's document, if the opposition continue to do nothing except procrastinate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Which century are we living in? The 21st or the 11th? :lol:

    Not the 11th - the symbolism of the Black Rod moment wouldnt make sense then!
  • The DUP should be reminded that NI as a whole voted to remain by 56% to 44%.
    How's that any different to suggesting the Lib Dems be reminded that the UK as a whole voted to leave, or that GB as a whole voted to leave?

    The DUPs represents leave voters, their own voters voted to leave even if they were a minority overall.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    I will enjoy the future tremendously. But my enjoyment of it or otherwise doesn't alter the simple fact that plenty of those 17.4m leave voters were dumb. Not all of course. But far too many, including perhaps some of those will be adversely affected by their very own vote. Who knows.
    To be fair, a lot of the 16m remain voters were dumb as well.

    In fact, I would go so far as to say that almost 50% of the UK population is of below average intelligence.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Noo said:

    The will of the people of Scotland was to stay in the UK, and so in the UK Scotland stayed.

    The will of the Scottish people in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s and 2010s was not to have a Conservative government. Yet the Conservative & Unionist party kept standing up for what they believe in, standing in every Scottish constituency.
    The Scottish people are not conservative, but the Conservatives have every right to stand for their vision. The Scottish people didn't want independence, but the SNP and Greens have every right to stand for their vision.
    Voters choose their local representative not their government.

    In each of the decades that you cite, the MPs returned by Scottish voters to Westminster accurately reflects the results in each of the constituencies
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    It was also nothing remotely like calling a quarter of all voters "deplorables" and shouldn't be compared to that at all. Deplorables was a terrible gaffe, that joke was not.
    No, but the willingness to snark (theoretically) at a voter is symptomatic of the way they view the voters with these views.
  • How's that any different to suggesting the Lib Dems be reminded that the UK as a whole voted to leave, or that GB as a whole voted to leave?

    The DUPs represents leave voters, their own voters voted to leave even if they were a minority overall.
    Because the Backstop is (or will be) NI-specific, no?
  • kle4 said:

    Not the 11th - the symbolism of the Black Rod moment wouldnt make sense then!
    But he/she ain't Black, bro! :lol:
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,487
    Mr. kle4, not to mention William the Conqueror didn't exactly read out speeches that British (or English, or Saxon) politicians wanted him to.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    kle4 said:

    That would be a surreal experience indeed.

    I think itd be funny if they gave an old draft of the speech and, being committed to following the rules, she read a passage like 'my government is committed to insert law and order spiel here, and will introduce insert nonsense measure here.

    From 1964 Private Eye Cover No 75.

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers/cover-75
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    Boris should probably chalk it up as a victory that she didn't call in sick and ask Chas to read it out. Or Andrew.

    They could have dusted off one of the Queen Mum or D of E excuses (slight head cold etc) without anyone except *every conspiracy theorist on Twitter* batting an eyelid.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    If 'Steps will be taken to protect the integrity of democracy' does that mean an electoral system like that in Scotland?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349
    edited October 2019

    The basic problem Leavers have is that the more the public have seen of their plans, the less they like them. They have abjectly failed to create a consensus.

    Their lack of introspection about this failure is the most enduring mystery of Brexit for me.
    It’s an glib comeback, but the lack of introspection about their failure to win the referendum from Remain extremists genuinely is mine. How can they not get it?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349
    edited October 2019
    Sandpit said:

    Yep, 17.01 for 100m, 422 times in a row! :open_mouth:
    Set the running machine at the gym to 20 and run for two hours... he’ll have been waiting for you a while at the end
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    If 'Steps will be taken to protect the integrity of democracy' does that mean an electoral system like that in Scotland?

    No it means Fay, H and Lisa armed and guarding polling booths
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,228
    dr_spyn said:


    From 1964 Private Eye Cover No 75.

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers/cover-75
    So how many "pooves" are there in Wilson's government?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,553
    edited October 2019
    isam said:

    Set the running machine at the gym to 20 and run for two hours... he’ll have been waiting for you a while at the end
    A number of years ago i went to the world cross country and seeing elite distance runjing in the flesh, i dont think i could sprint as fast as they were running even for 100m and they werent kipchoge...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    Pulpstar said:

    Preferred decade :.

    Labour 1970s
    Tories 1950s
    Lib Dems 1860s
    DUP 1690s
    SNP 1300s
    Brexit party 60-50 BC
    As the majority of Brexit voters seem to descended from Angles or Saxons, wouldn't they still have been in Germany in 60-50 BC? Or rather, perhaps, Germania!
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,108
    Ishmael_Z said:

    You must be fun at parties.

    Could you outline the ways in which the kipchoge marathon was "contrived" in a way, that, say, the moon landings were not?
    " To reduce aerodynamic resistance for Kipchoge, event organizers decided there would be a group of five pacemakers running in front of him in a V formation, according to Reuters. Kipchoge would run behind them, with two more runners following behind.

    The pacers worked in teams, rotating in twice during each of the course’s 9.6-km (6-mile) laps. An electric car preceded the runners, projecting a system of lasers to show where the pacers should run."

    Athletic feat, yes. Competitive event? Hardly.
  • No it means Fay, H and Lisa armed and guarding polling booths
    What a tragedy.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    What a tragedy.
    A triggered Mr Eagles will be along in 5, 6, 7, 8...
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    What happens if a deal comes back preambled by the EU which states "This is the full and final offer. There will be no extension beyond 31/10 except to allow technical implementation of this deal. This deal must be ratified before 31/10. Otherwise UK leave with No Deal after 31/10".

    Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
  • What a tragedy.
    That quip is better best forgotten.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    CatMan said:

    So how many "pooves" are there in Wilson's government?
    Wait. Putting aside the offensive and outdated homophobia for a moment, is that really the plural of poof?

    Like hoof and hooves?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    kle4 said:

    Is she were to read out a Cromwell speech the government would probably rather it be the one about the tyranny of eternal parliaments.

    Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
  • mwadams said:

    Parliament should revoke A50 and say "OK, we need to go back to the drawing board and work out how to leave, then."
    Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,860
    Charles said:

    I suspect you view “Europeans” or “humans” as a single demos, while I limit it based on national units)

    So you think England should vote on its relationship to other nations as England?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349
    edited October 2019
    Anorak said:

    Wait. Putting aside the offensive and outdated homophobia for a moment, is that really the plural of poof?

    Like hoof and hooves?
    4 Poofs and a Piano don’t think so!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Poofs_and_a_Piano
  • Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
    Possibly because its her job?

    She gets to live in a luxurious palace and has to work one day a year and for that you wonder why she bothers?
  • That quip is better best forgotten.
    Causing offence was the Last Thing On My Mind.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Given the fact that Brexit has demonstrated that the monarchy is nothing more than a rubber stamp for the PM, I cannot see why she bothers at all. She might as well get Boris to read out his own fantasies policies and stay in Buck Palace with a nice warm cuppa...
    Frankly, every public engagement she does is poor compensation for inflicting Prince Andrew on the nation.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,860

    Its amazing how many people seem to be unconcerned about Parliament being burnt to the ground.
    So we should give in to terrorism?
  • So you think England should vote on its relationship to other nations as England?
    I do but sadly the Scots didn't want to be an independent country.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    PB seems chock full of Monarchist Crawlers(TM) today :lol:

    God Save The Queen! (Until we declare a Republic)
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    So we should give in to terrorism?
    "Direct Action" dear chap,
This discussion has been closed.