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  • TOPPING said:

    Quite a few were dancing jigs over the fact that a foreign leader would be able to use his power to veto the will of the British parliament.
    I think quite a few had a sense of irony. The way to prevent that from happening will be to exit the EU.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Cyclefree said:


    And yet it was all over the front pages of the newspapers on two successive days, lead story on various news programmes etc.

    If your reaction is at all representative - and I have no reason to believe it isn’t - little wonder governments and the police and others can get away with such appalling behaviour.
    Right now there is almost no interest in good administration. It's one of the biggest problems in Britain right now. For things to change, first people have to care.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,994

    Aye, hence the 'not too different from the UK'...
    Which, in of itself, is justifiable, whether one agrees with it or not (I'm personally sympathetic to such a referendum, even though I favour retaining the union).
    And it's perfectly compatible with democracy and the rule of law to invalidate such an unapproved referendum.

    To imprison your political opponents for a decade or more is not.
  • TGOHF2TGOHF2 Posts: 584
    TOPPING said:

    We're crystal clear why we lost. Too many of those 17.4m were and likely still are thick as mince.
    Well as long as you cling to that view you won’t enjoy the future.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046

    Right now there is almost no interest in good administration. It's one of the biggest problems in Britain right now. For things to change, first people have to care.
    I think part of the problem is the specific issue that the report was generated around. There is a lingering suspicion that the establishment have closed ranks to prevent damaging allegations getting out.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    edited October 2019
    TGOHF2 said:

    Well as long as you cling to that view you won’t enjoy the future.
    I will enjoy the future tremendously. But my enjoyment of it or otherwise doesn't alter the simple fact that plenty of those 17.4m leave voters were dumb. Not all of course. But far too many, including perhaps some of those will be adversely affected by their very own vote. Who knows.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Mr. Divvie, you realise there was a once-in-a-generation referendum on Scottish independence, right?

    And the 'sovereign will of the Scottish people' that Sturgeon likes to pretend she cares about was to stay in the UK.

    Still, at least the SNP are consistent. They want to ignore what the Scots want for Scotland and what the British want for the UK.

    The will of the people of Scotland was to stay in the UK, and so in the UK Scotland stayed.

    The will of the Scottish people in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s and 2010s was not to have a Conservative government. Yet the Conservative & Unionist party kept standing up for what they believe in, standing in every Scottish constituency.
    The Scottish people are not conservative, but the Conservatives have every right to stand for their vision. The Scottish people didn't want independence, but the SNP and Greens have every right to stand for their vision.
  • I was one of the few kids with the determination to run the whole of the 1500m, rather than stop and walk for a breather, so there's that, but I never considered myself one of the sporty kids.

    It's possible that our PE teacher's timing was biased towards being encouraging, I guess - it was an Inner London Comprehensive! Now that Sandpit has given Kipchoge's exact pace I was a bit off it - the time I was given was 17.6s.
    I think the fact your pace is apparently faster than a treadmill's top speed suggests either you were above average or there were timing issues. Either way its insanely impressive.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    TGOHF2 said:

    Well as long as you cling to that view you won’t enjoy the future.
    The referendum result was a consequence of people voting on gut feel and instinct rather than reason.

    Not that that doesn't happen in other elections, but leaving the European Union is fiendishly complicated and nobody really knew much about it in 2016. Some people have become better informed since.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,767
    TOPPING said:

    We're crystal clear why we lost. Too many of those 17.4m were and likely still are thick as mince.
    The GFC was caused by people with Oxbridge degrees and Harvard MBAs.
    Blokes in white vans with plumbing diplomas might have managed the economy better..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,994
    CatMan said:
    That was then...
    ...My old friend the Kurdish journalist Hazhir Teimourian used to tell me sorrowfully: “There is an old proverb – a Kurd has no friends.” I am not sure that is true any more. In the aftermath of the first Gulf war in 1991 the Kurds were driven into the mountains by the vengeful troops of Saddam. The people of Britain were appalled by their misery. John Major was so moved that he set up the no-fly zones that were the precursor to the modern state.
    In the last few years the links between Britain and Kurdistan have been developing fast, with the first ministerial delegation from London arriving there two years ago. Standard Chartered Bank has established there, as well as many other firms. They are going not simply because Kurdistan has theoretically the sixth largest oil deposits in the world, but because the place is an oasis of stability and tolerance. They have a democratic system; they are pushing forward with women’s rights; they insist on complete mutual respect of all religions.
    It would be an utter tragedy if we did not do everything in our power to give succour and relief to those who are now facing massacre and persecution, and to help repel the maniacs from one of the few bright spots in the Middle East.
    Yes, we have got it wrong before; and yes, we cannot do everything. But that doesn’t mean we should collapse into passivity and quietism in the face of manifest evil. These people need our help.


    This is now.

    His 'old friend' had Johnson's number a couple of years back:
    https://twitter.com/HTeimourian/status/921409972608651264
  • There are very few undecideds in the culture war, just those who are more or less motivated to vote. It's a boat race not a tug of war.

    I doubt the quip will make the slightest difference to voter identification. It may persuade more on both sides to vote.

    (It was a well-delivered, but hardly original, put-down.)
    It was also nothing remotely like calling a quarter of all voters "deplorables" and shouldn't be compared to that at all. Deplorables was a terrible gaffe, that joke was not.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,015
    TGOHF2 said:

    My point is that those that lost the referendum are still in the denial stage about the causes of the defeat.

    I urge them to look for more sensible explanations other than degenerating 17.4 million of their fellow souls that share the Uk.
    Remain lost because there was only one Remain, Leave won (just) because there were dozens of 'Leave's.
  • Mr. Divvie, you realise there was a once-in-a-generation referendum on Scottish independence, right?

    And the 'sovereign will of the Scottish people' that Sturgeon likes to pretend she cares about was to stay in the UK.

    Still, at least the SNP are consistent. They want to ignore what the Scots want for Scotland and what the British want for the UK.

    I shall let the people of Scotland know that someone in Yorkshire knows what they want.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,395
    Mr. Noo, no part of the UK is guaranteed that the party they vote for will form the government of the whole country. That's a bizarre view of democracy.

    If Lowlands vote a certain way and don't get their chosen party in as the Holyrood Government should they aim to leave Scotland?

    If we ever get a Yorkshire mayor and York doesn't back the winner, should it aim to leave?

    If York has a mayor and a street in York doesn't back the mayor, should it aim to leave York?

    If a house in that street doesn't back the leader of the street should it demand a new street name just for itself?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,604

    Right now there is almost no interest in good administration. It's one of the biggest problems in Britain right now. For things to change, first people have to care.
    Well, if a story like that doesn’t make them care, it’s hard to know what will.

    I despair. I really do.

    Integrity, competence, excellence, plain common-sense, pragmatism: this is what we ought to value. By not doing so and elevating the meretricious, the superficial, the dishonest we are ruining much of what made Britain a worthwhile country to live in.

    I’m going back to bed. I have a high temperature and feel really quite unwell. All a tremendous bore.

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    I think the fact your pace is apparently faster than a treadmill's top speed suggests either you were above average or there were timing issues. Either way its insanely impressive.
    I wouldn't expect a treadmill to handle sprinting pace, necessarily. The faster you are on a treadmill the less safe it is, and I'd expect that to govern the top speed they allow.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I'd like to see the data behind today's poll, including the actual questions.

    Anyone got a link to the data, I can't find it on Sky's site?

    (But yes Big_G, I'd support No Deal being on the referendum as one of three options.)
    Would be another unicorn option. No Deal doesn't exist as a thing. There are an infinite variety of so-called No Deal options (all of which will include deals of some sort).
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Cyclefree said:

    Well, if a story like that doesn’t make them care, it’s hard to know what will.

    I despair. I really do.

    Integrity, competence, excellence, plain common-sense, pragmatism: this is what we ought to value. By not doing so and elevating the meretricious, the superficial, the dishonest we are ruining much of what made Britain a worthwhile country to live in.

    I’m going back to bed. I have a high temperature and feel really quite unwell. All a tremendous bore.

    Ufff, get well soon :(
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,151
    edited October 2019

    There are very few undecideds in the culture war, just those who are more or less motivated to vote. It's a boat race not a tug of war.

    I doubt the quip will make the slightest difference to voter identification. It may persuade more on both sides to vote.

    (It was a well-delivered, but hardly original, put-down.)
    All that matters is she doesn't piss too many of the independents (especially in Rust Belt). Trump's foundational base is untouchable as they basically view him as The Dear Leader who can do no wrong. As he once said, I could shoot somebody in broad daylight in Times Square and I would still get elected.

    Dems need independents and they need Obama/Biden/Clinton's African Americans to turn out (iirc about 10% didn't last time (compared to Obama) - fatal for Mrs Clinton).

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    The GFC was caused by people with Oxbridge degrees and Harvard MBAs.
    Blokes in white vans with plumbing diplomas might have managed the economy better..
    Yes very true. They might have. Then again they might have driven it off a cliff at an earlier point in time.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,395
    Mr. Divvie, everybody knows what they want. They voted and the results were made publicly known.

    The problem isn't that the SNP don't know, it's that they think the opinion of Scots matters less than their own political ideology.

    Miss Cyclefree, get well soon.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Corbyn and Labour still behind in another poll from Com Res.
    https://twitter.com/ComRes/status/1183676047742717952
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    sarissa said:

    Nobody seem so be mentioning that the 2 hour marathon was as contrived as Bannister's 4 minute mile in 1954
    You must be fun at parties.

    Could you outline the ways in which the kipchoge marathon was "contrived" in a way, that, say, the moon landings were not?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Mr. Pointer, compare the viewing figures. F1 isn't up there with football, but it's miles ahead of the marathon.

    In other news, China's made some conciliatory noises. Or not:

    "China's president has issued a warning against dissent, saying any attempt to divide China will end in "bodies smashed and bones ground to powder"."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-50035229

    Meanwhile there's a huge backlash in the USA about American companies and organisations kowtowing to China, from the NBA to Apple and Hollywood studios. South Park put it brilliantly, and found themselves immediately banned from China - thus proving their point in the most spectacular way imaginable.
  • I shall let the people of Scotland know that someone in Yorkshire knows what they want.
    Very impressive that a PB poster is able to contact 5.4M people. I hope you are GDPR compliant in whatever method you use to contact them!
  • Dominic Grieve just seemed to suggest on the BBC that if a second referendum resulted in Remain that Leavers would be entitled to then campaign to get a majority for us to leave without a third referendum.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Mr. Noo, no part of the UK is guaranteed that the party they vote for will form the government of the whole country. That's a bizarre view of democracy.

    If Lowlands vote a certain way and don't get their chosen party in as the Holyrood Government should they aim to leave Scotland?

    If we ever get a Yorkshire mayor and York doesn't back the winner, should it aim to leave?

    If York has a mayor and a street in York doesn't back the mayor, should it aim to leave York?

    If a house in that street doesn't back the leader of the street should it demand a new street name just for itself?

    You misunderstand my point. I'm not talking about the fact that Scotland more often than not gets Conservative governments that it doesn't vote for -- though that is a good point so thank you for raising it.
    I'm talking about the fact that Conservatives continue to ply their trade north of Gretna despite being told at every election, decade after decade, to do one.
    And I'm standing up for that. I admire the Conservatives for sticking with it. Just as I admire the SNP and Greens for sticking with their independence agenda despite being told— well, 55% isn't quite "do one", it's more "ummm, actually no".

    I find it compellingly strange that people think a party should drop its agenda or give up on its goals just because they lose election after election, let alone a single referendum. Let them be.
  • I wouldn't expect a treadmill to handle sprinting pace, necessarily. The faster you are on a treadmill the less safe it is, and I'd expect that to govern the top speed they allow.
    My home treadmill gets up to 14kph, which is just about fast enough for 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off HIIT. The one at work tops out at 20kph- which is too fast for my little legs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,994

    The GFC was caused by people with Oxbridge degrees and Harvard MBAs.
    Blokes in white vans with plumbing diplomas might have managed the economy better..
    They'd probably have some insight into how to improve VAT receipts...
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    I think the fact your pace is apparently faster than a treadmill's top speed suggests either you were above average or there were timing issues. Either way its insanely impressive.
    The age graded score for a 100m time of 17.6s at 15 years old is only 59.2%

    There are loads of age-graded times better than that at your local parkrun.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,994
    Noo said:

    You misunderstand my point. I'm not talking about the fact that Scotland more often than not gets Conservative governments that it doesn't vote for -- though that is a good point so thank you for raising it.
    I'm talking about the fact that Conservatives continue to ply their trade north of Gretna despite being told at every election, decade after decade, to do one.
    And I'm standing up for that. I admire the Conservatives for sticking with it. Just as I admire the SNP and Greens for sticking with their independence agenda despite being told— well, 55% isn't quite "do one", it's more "ummm, actually no".

    I find it compellingly strange that people think a party should drop its agenda or give up on its goals just because they lose election after election, let alone a single referendum. Let them be.
    And, one might add, don't confuse a soundbite with a settled constitutional principle.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,151

    Dominic Grieve just seemed to suggest on the BBC that if a second referendum resulted in Remain that Leavers would be entitled to then campaign to get a majority for us to leave without a third referendum.

    It may be me, but I think he got a bit garbled in that interview. He seemed to be arguing that abstract questions were bad idea in referendums and HoC was better route. But it was confused imho.
  • Noo said:

    Oh, a black person voted Leave, therefore Trump isn't a white supremacist?
    Go back to bed.
    You dont own the BAME vote im afraid.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,395
    Mr. Sandpit, mildly surprised you didn't mention Blizzard, although maybe that's only big in gaming circles.

    There's been a huge backlash to Blizzard banning for a year (since reduced to six months due to the response) a Hong Kong player who called, during an official gaming livestream, for freedom for Hong Kong.

    It remains to be seen if this'll affect Blizzcon, which is in a few weeks.

    Mr. Noo, when a party promises to abide by a result for a generation then immediately seeks another referendum because they didn't get the result they wanted it makes a mockery of their promise.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009

    I get the worm.

    you pee the bed TUD
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,994

    Dominic Grieve just seemed to suggest on the BBC that if a second referendum resulted in Remain that Leavers would be entitled to then campaign to get a majority for us to leave without a third referendum.

    Constitutionally, it's hard to see how that view is wrong.
  • Mr. Divvie, everybody knows what they want. They voted and the results were made publicly known.

    The problem isn't that the SNP don't know, it's that they think the opinion of Scots matters less than their own political ideology.

    Funny, the UK voted on EU membership and the results were made publicly known, yet here we are over 3 years later no closer to clarity, with many people acknowledging reluctantly that there may have to be a 2nd referendum of some description.

    I think Brexit is a disaster but if your country, England, wants to pursue it that should be up to them, you think Brexit should be imposed on my country against its will. I'll do all I can to prevent the dead hand of your view of democracy suffocating mine.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Pulpstar said:

    Her quip really wasn't helpful. Anyway hopefully it won't hurt her campaign too much. If she ends up being the nominee I'd vote for her, just, over Trump.
    "Just" ??
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009

    But there no pleasant, trustworthy or pleasant people in the SNP.
    nutter
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    You must be fun at parties.

    Could you outline the ways in which the kipchoge marathon was "contrived" in a way, that, say, the moon landings were not?
    I don't get that either. No matter the technology, the lad still had to run it.
  • The age graded score for a 100m time of 17.6s at 15 years old is only 59.2%

    There are loads of age-graded times better than that at your local parkrun.
    Isn't age-grading a percentage of the world record time? Not exactly what "most people can run" which was the original comment, is it?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,395
    Mr. Divvie, you oppose leaving the EU because the dastardly English voted for it (and the Welsh, incidentally), but your own policy in 2014 was for Scotland to leave the UK and the EU at once.

    Why was leaving the EU right for Scotland in 2014 and wrong now?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009

    Yes lost a once in a lifetime referendum and need to accept the democratic result of the Scottish people.
    Oh Dear, where did this one come from.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,096

    "Just" ??
    I kid I kid :)

    Still hoping for President Biden :D
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,994

    Mr. Sandpit, mildly surprised you didn't mention Blizzard, although maybe that's only big in gaming circles.

    There's been a huge backlash to Blizzard banning for a year (since reduced to six months due to the response) a Hong Kong player who called, during an official gaming livestream, for freedom for Hong Kong.

    It remains to be seen if this'll affect Blizzcon, which is in a few weeks.

    Mr. Noo, when a party promises to abide by a result for a generation then immediately seeks another referendum because they didn't get the result they wanted it makes a mockery of their promise.

    As I pointed out, that might be a reason to criticise the SNP, but it is a very long way indeed from being any kind of constitutional principle.

    And if they again win a large majority, campaigning for a second referendum, it will be despite that inconsistency being pointed out by helpful souls.
  • malcolmg said:

    you pee the bed TUD
    Luckily I made it to the lav. Unfortunately nowadays it's getting back to sleep afterwards that's the real killer.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    edited October 2019

    My home treadmill gets up to 14kph, which is just about fast enough for 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off HIIT. The one at work tops out at 20kph- which is too fast for my little legs.
    Wow no wonder you firepeople are so on top of it. Have never seen a treadmill go beyond 15 kph.

    Edit fwiw: and I have seen a *lot* of treadmills.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    HYUFD said:

    Next time the SNP whinge about being ignored, perhaps we could send them to Beijing or Madrid to find out what being ignored really looks like!
    Get lost Pinochet
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    TGOHF2 said:

    Well as long as you cling to that view you won’t enjoy the future.
    Unfortunately it is true for many of them
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Isn't age-grading a percentage of the world record time? Not exactly what "most people can run" which was the original comment, is it?
    If you look at the age-graded scores at parkrun, though, then there's a substantial minority above 60%.

    Much as I enjoy to run I don't think I qualify as "insanely impressive".
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009

    Luckily I made it to the lav. Unfortunately nowadays it's getting back to sleep afterwards that's the real killer.
    I know the feeling
  • Funny, the UK voted on EU membership and the results were made publicly known, yet here we are over 3 years later no closer to clarity, with many people acknowledging reluctantly that there may have to be a 2nd referendum of some description.

    I think Brexit is a disaster but if your country, England, wants to pursue it that should be up to them, you think Brexit should be imposed on my country against its will. I'll do all I can to prevent the dead hand of your view of democracy suffocating mine.
    Actually your country is the United Kingdom.

    In 2014 there was a referendum specifically on the question of "Should Scotland be an independent country?" to which the answer came back "No". Had you collectively bothered to vote Yes then England would be another country, but instead its another part of your country.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    Blimey a bit of googling tells me that professional treadmills go up to 25mph. Who's that for? Pinatubo?
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    You dont own the BAME vote im afraid.
    No, umm, you're quite right. I'm not sure what you're responding to though. I was saying that Trump is minded towards racism and white supremacy. If you think that means I am saying "I own the BAME vote", then your reading comprehension needs some remedial work.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,589
    CatMan said:
    SNP vote down 4.5% on the constituency vote and 3.7% down on the regional list vote for the Scottish Parliament compared to the 2016 Holyrood election
  • TOPPING said:

    Wow no wonder you firepeople are so on top of it. Have never seen a treadmill go beyond 15 kph.
    Ar 20kph, There'd be a me shaped hole in the wall behind it.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    TOPPING said:

    Blimey a bit of googling tells me that professional treadmills go up to 25mph. Who's that for? Pinatubo?

    One can only assume some people use treadmills for non-human uses.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Nigelb said:

    Constitutionally, it's hard to see how that view is wrong.
    If by some chance we do leave I think it would be a very brave party, apart from TBP, to campaign to start this up all over again with a no deal brexit given the other issues facing the country and the world. The problem is neither the Torys or Labour have sane parties or members so who knows what will happen.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    malcolmg said:

    Unfortunately it is true for many of them
    True Malcolm. Now...what other people, on here for example, seem to be in a near-constant rage against, well, against everything? The F1 fans? The Die Hard fans? No. There is another sub-group that appears perpetually angry.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    Ar 20kph, There'd be a me shaped hole in the wall behind it.
    :)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,994
    nichomar said:

    If by some chance we do leave I think it would be a very brave party, apart from TBP, to campaign to start this up all over again with a no deal brexit given the other issues facing the country and the world. The problem is neither the Torys or Labour have sane parties or members so who knows what will happen.
    Didn't you mean "if we don't leave" ?

    Otherwise, I agree with you, it would be politically ridiculous. But constitutionally, Grieve is correct I think.
  • If you look at the age-graded scores at parkrun, though, then there's a substantial minority above 60%.

    Much as I enjoy to run I don't think I qualify as "insanely impressive".
    Is that a score on 100m times or a score on 5k or 10k etc which are measuring different things?

    A minority is not "most people" by definition and the people who are engaging in parkruns will presumably be better than average already so you're talking a minority of a minority.
  • Mr. Divvie, you oppose leaving the EU because the dastardly English voted for it (and the Welsh, incidentally), but your own policy in 2014 was for Scotland to leave the UK and the EU at once.

    Why was leaving the EU right for Scotland in 2014 and wrong now?

    It's a bit wearying arguing these matters with folk who actually have bugger all to do with a once and future Scotland, but since you're so keen on what the SNP said in 2014, where did they state that their policy in 2014 was for Scotland to leave the EU? If you're going to come back with some 'they didn't say that BUT THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED' mince, please don't expend the effort.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    CatMan said:
    I'm not a fan of questions like this, because it lumps together people with very different takes. Some will be blaming, others thanking.
  • Actually your country is the United Kingdom.

    In 2014 there was a referendum specifically on the question of "Should Scotland be an independent country?" to which the answer came back "No". Had you collectively bothered to vote Yes then England would be another country, but instead its another part of your country.
    Still waiting for those oppressive Hispano-Hungarian laws imposed on the trusting British public.
  • It's a bit wearying arguing these matters with folk who actually have bugger all to do with a once and future Scotland, but since you're so keen on what the SNP said in 2014, where did they state that their policy in 2014 was for Scotland to leave the EU? If you're going to come back with some 'they didn't say that BUT THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED' mince, please don't expend the effort.
    The EU said it would be the consequence of voting Yes, and the SNP said to vote Yes anyway, so yes QED they did say it.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    Still waiting for those oppressive Hispano-Hungarian laws imposed on the trusting British public.
    Don't think you mean "Hispano"
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    TOPPING said:

    True Malcolm. Now...what other people, on here for example, seem to be in a near-constant rage against, well, against everything? The F1 fans? The Die Hard fans? No. There is another sub-group that appears perpetually angry.
    Pineapple-on-pizza haters
  • Don't think you mean "Hispano"
    I think I did.

    Hispano-
    /hɪˈspanəʊ/

    prefix: Hispano-

    Spanish; Spanish and …
    "Hispano-Argentine"
    relating to Spain.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,100
    Cyclefree said:


    And yet it was all over the front pages of the newspapers on two successive days, lead story on various news programmes etc.

    If your reaction is at all representative - and I have no reason to believe it isn’t - little wonder governments and the police and others can get away with such appalling behaviour.
    I’d like to think I both care and would notice given how closely I pay attention to the news.

    However, I’m ashamed to say on this occasion it passed me by.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    Noo said:

    Pineapple-on-pizza haters
    them's the ones.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    I think I did.

    Hispano-
    /hɪˈspanəʊ/

    prefix: Hispano-

    Spanish; Spanish and …
    "Hispano-Argentine"
    relating to Spain.
    Ah yes. Sorry. Read as Hispanos.

    Carry on :smile:
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Ishmael_Z said:

    You must be fun at parties.

    Could you outline the ways in which the kipchoge marathon was "contrived" in a way, that, say, the moon landings were not?
    The reason it wasn't an "official" record is that the pacemaker runners didn't all start at the same time and attempt to run the full distance, rather they ran a relay race around Kipchoge, at a set distance behind a pace car running at a specific speed. An official record needs everyone competing to start together and no use of pace vehicles or other such outside interference.

    For those interested, video I posted upthread has a bunch of people trying to run 13mph on a treadmill - it's sprinting speed for most people, and your average home treadmill doesn't go that fast (probably because it's bloody dangerous!).
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,093


    I hear Nicola is ready to put a hard border from Carlisle to Berwick if necessary affecting 60% of Scots exports.

    Do you really think that even Scots will support such a barrier to trade and free movement within the UK. Is my Scottish wife going to have to provide her passport at the border when she visits family in the North of Scotland
    In terms of value, Scotland exports more physical goods to the EU than to the rest of the UK. The only exception, AFAIK, is wood and wood products, and I don't believe a sheet of plywood or floor joist needs a phytosanitary certificate or a veterinary inspection, or has a limited shelf life compromised by customs delays.

    If you are instead suggesting that there will be significant barriers to trade in services, especially financial services, between Scotland/EU/rest of the world and the UK after Brexit, maybe you should tell the City of London...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Mr. Sandpit, mildly surprised you didn't mention Blizzard, although maybe that's only big in gaming circles.

    There's been a huge backlash to Blizzard banning for a year (since reduced to six months due to the response) a Hong Kong player who called, during an official gaming livestream, for freedom for Hong Kong.

    It remains to be seen if this'll affect Blizzcon, which is in a few weeks.

    I couldn't remember which gaming company it was, but yes Blizzard are also in the crap from both sides.

    Their next con is probably going to involve a load of American participants making a point of saying something political about Hong Kong. Good luck with that.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Nigelb said:

    Didn't you mean "if we don't leave" ?

    Otherwise, I agree with you, it would be politically ridiculous. But constitutionally, Grieve is correct I think.
    Sorry of course I did.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Even those who like pineapple on pizza can agree this is a step too far:

    https://twitter.com/sweden/status/896054161879351296
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,791
    HMQ on her way to Parliament.

    Half expected to see Gina Millar in the carriage! :D
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,791
    148grss said:

    Even those who like pineapple on pizza can agree this is a step too far:

    https://twitter.com/sweden/status/896054161879351296

    :grimace:
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    GIN1138 said:

    HMQ on her way to Parliament.

    Half expected to see Gina Millar in the carriage! :D

    Shes at court trying to get Lady Hale to arrest black rod
  • sarissa said:

    In terms of value, Scotland exports more physical goods to the EU than to the rest of the UK. The only exception, AFAIK, is wood and wood products, and I don't believe a sheet of plywood or floor joist needs a phytosanitary certificate or a veterinary inspection, or has a limited shelf life compromised by customs delays.

    If you are instead suggesting that there will be significant barriers to trade in services, especially financial services, between Scotland/EU/rest of the world and the UK after Brexit, maybe you should tell the City of London...
    The thought of a hard border is as silly as the one in Ireland and would be as difficult an issue for those dealing with it
  • Noo said:

    I'm not a fan of questions like this, because it lumps together people with very different takes. Some will be blaming, others thanking.
    I think the best answer was, unintentionally, the first one: British Adults. Unfortunately 52% in 2016 behaved like children, as they believed in a myth called Brexit. There are some that still believe in said myth. Not all of them also believe in fairies, Father Christmas and a flat earth, but many do.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    148grss said:

    Even those who like pineapple on pizza can agree this is a step too far:

    https://twitter.com/sweden/status/896054161879351296

    Only 'a' step?
    That is a giant leap for mankind too far
  • The GFC was caused by people with Oxbridge degrees and Harvard MBAs.
    Blokes in white vans with plumbing diplomas might have managed the economy better..
    Yebbut they often make a hell of a dog's breakfast of the plumbing.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,955
    What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .

    What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.

    And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    HYUFD said:

    SNP vote down 4.5% on the constituency vote and 3.7% down on the regional list vote for the Scottish Parliament compared to the 2016 Holyrood election
    Is this the one from the weekend that sees LD get 5 seats LAB only 1??
  • 148grss said:

    Even those who like pineapple on pizza can agree this is a step too far:

    https://twitter.com/sweden/status/896054161879351296

    No its a step not far enough. The other ingredients are all great, but you need bacon to finish it off.

    Banana and Bacon pizza is the greatest - don't knock it until you've tried it.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,369

    Of course you are right @Charles that among 16m+ Remain voters there will be some racists. Added to which, I am pretty sure that most of the Leave voters (and certanily those posting on here) are not racist.

    Although of course at some level we are all racist - we all have unconsious biases. Taking a test like these can give surpising results...

    https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html
    I am sexist but not racist according to these tests.
  • HYUFD said:
    Surprised you did not quote no deal support in that poll at 41% v 33%
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    nico67 said:

    What happens if a deal in principle is brought back to the Commons for a vote but not the full deal with legal text .

    What happens to the Benn Act if a deal in principle is passed but not the full deal.

    And why would MPs agree to something which isn’t a full deal. Johnson is clearly by his recent actions not to be trusted .

    Well theyll either agree it in principle and bypass Benn as part of that or vote it down and force Benn.
    If they want to sell 'we are against no deal so we are blocking a deal' to the voters then so be it, and good luck to them ;)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,791
    edited October 2019
    How come the Extinction Rebellion morons have suddenly been cleared from the streets just because Her Majesty is travelling around London?

    It's almost like when Parliament/Government/Police wants ER out of the way they can get them out of the way? ;)
  • GIN1138 said:

    How come the Extinction Rebellion morons have suddenly been cleared from the streets just because Her Majesty is travelling around London?

    It's almost like the the Parliament/Government/Police wants ER out of the way they can get them out of the way? ;)

    Its raining apparently
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    HYUFD said:

    SNP vote down 4.5% on the constituency vote and 3.7% down on the regional list vote for the Scottish Parliament compared to the 2016 Holyrood election
    How much are Con and Lab down for perspective?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417
    philiph said:

    Only 'a' step?
    That is a giant leap for mankind too far
    I suppose if it was described as being on a round piece of naan bread........

    Still not keen. What sort of curry is it? Or just curry sauce, as on a bratwurst?
  • TOPPING said:

    We're crystal clear why we lost. Too many of those 17.4m were and likely still are thick as mince.
    "He was deceived by a lie. We all were!" - Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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